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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja know that apple made antigravity device !!??!! >> <<
assbot: Apple Weight Saving Device for PowerBook G3 "Lombard" Used | eBay ... ( )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I had no idea
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: why was this discontinued ?!
asciilifeform: i want ten!
decimation: lolz. I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe?
asciilifeform: prolly
asciilifeform: but great name!
decimation: asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: but it can't be shipped.
asciilifeform: so can only be sold if somebody wants to come for it.
asciilifeform: (or, with reasonable premium, i would deliver)
asciilifeform: can't even guarantee that it'd survive a car ride
asciilifeform: (i did have to reseat the boards when took it home)
asciilifeform: if shipped, thing would have to be transported like a ming vase
asciilifeform: can't imagine anyone wants to pay for this.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts
mircea_popescu: i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41652 @ 0.00051752 = 21.5557 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure i'd just ignore it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a usaschwitz term
decimation: yeah me too. not gonna do what mall cop wants
mircea_popescu: good for 'em, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports
mircea_popescu: FREEZE!!11
mircea_popescu: hurr
mircea_popescu: mentally stunded population already.
asciilifeform: also make sure to ignore grizzly bears in alaska
asciilifeform: and alligators in florida
asciilifeform: (when they shoot a white fella it's generally 5th-10th page newz, as linked earlier)
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to come with a regiment.
asciilifeform: now we're talkin'.
asciilifeform: personally i wouldn't waste so much as one private on the place. glass it.
asciilifeform: then glass over the surviving cockroaches.
decimation: I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet
mircea_popescu: so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.
decimation: apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks
asciilifeform: decimation: idk, i bought a 100 usd piece of paper and was 'processed' by a vending machine that printed 'get out of customs now' pass.
asciilifeform: no vip jet or anything
BingoBoingo: Typical USian lockdown trigger
assbot: Lil Debbie - LET'S GET HIGH - Official Video - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: out of flying cattle car and to the street in ~10 min.
asciilifeform: !up n6
BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points
asciilifeform: decimation: only for paying folks
decimation: oh you did the 'global entry' thing?
asciilifeform: preeeeemium no-raep lanez
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: heh yeah. I would consider it if I were to travel abroad
asciilifeform: worth every penny
decimation: supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too
asciilifeform: even if you go only once
gernika: +1 Global Entry
BingoBoingo: Why not just RAEP back?
gernika: Good stuff. Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bring regiment, raep, raep.
BingoBoingo has never touched a haram aeroplane
decimation: australia is famously nazi at their border
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough?
asciilifeform: company with 'sadm' might, sure.
asciilifeform: dispersed.
BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions"
asciilifeform: << them
assbot: When elite US forces strapped nukes to their backs - U.S. - Stripes ... ( )
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BingoBoingo: Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles"
BingoBoingo: !up Michail1
Michail1: ?
decimation: what brings you here?
asciilifeform: 'The Army's countermobility field manual taught soldiers to use ADMs for "stream cratering," in which atomic explosions near small waterways would "form a temporary dam, create a lake, cause overbank flooding, and produce an effective water obstacle" for enemy forces.'
decimation: not a bad idea
BingoBoingo: Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored.
Michail1: ah
mircea_popescu: sounds retarded really.
Michail1: Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But who wears the pack?
mircea_popescu: what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes
decimation: mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.
asciilifeform: 'But when Green Light team member Ken Richter began interviewing potential candidates, he said, not everyone was as enthusiastic: "I had a lot of people that I interviewed for our team. Once they found out what the mission was, they said, 'No, thanks. I'd rather go back to Vietnam.' "'
decimation: it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go
decimation: but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario
BingoBoingo: decimation: Few nukes are that big
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units
mircea_popescu: without food or any possibility of being supported.
asciilifeform: 'In addition, the two-man rule, which to this day dictates that no individual service member have the ability to arm a nuclear weapon, demanded that Green Light teams divide the code that unlocked the cover plate. But that could present a challenge if the wrong man got killed en route to the target. "Here you were with this hunk of sh-- in your bag and no good place to go," Flavin said. "So we said, 'Eh, I don't think we can a
asciilifeform: llow that to happen,'" and his men agreed to share the code in the event of a real mission.' << l0lz
BingoBoingo: Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world
decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory
decimation: by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home
mircea_popescu: decimation even worse holy shit.
mircea_popescu: imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad
mircea_popescu: someone dropped a bunch of nukes around
asciilifeform: not certain the place would have looked much different..
mircea_popescu: and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.
decimation: sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat
mircea_popescu: if you've never retreated, maybe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one thing these are definitely known to have been used for is burial (connected to phone lines, yes!) at useful places in west germany: dams, power stations, factories
decimation: not every army turns into random mob
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".
mircea_popescu: this was never deployed
mircea_popescu: i guess they're not all idiots up at staff office.
decimation: because too pussy
mircea_popescu: mno.
asciilifeform: the live chickens (yes) variant, not deployed
asciilifeform: the solid state - deployed
mircea_popescu: demolition ?
asciilifeform: unless rezun lovingly fabricated the very elaborate description of the thing in his autobio
asciilifeform: (described su intel knowing precisely where they were)
asciilifeform: demolition.
mircea_popescu: aha. diff story.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs
asciilifeform: like the bridges, all over europe, with trotyl in the pylons permanently
asciilifeform: to this day.
mircea_popescu: notably, these aren't carried by a grunt.
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: no, specially trained volunteers
asciilifeform: the manhole nukes weren't either
asciilifeform: but same part #.
asciilifeform: (quite a few were made)
asciilifeform: having live men carry these things about was a fashion on both sides of the ocean
mircea_popescu: because movies.
asciilifeform: (for all i know, still is)
asciilifeform: 'Probably to make the weapon resistant to electromagnetic pulses from any nearby nuclear explosions, as one might expect at the outset of war with the Soviets, the AEC had fashioned the SADM largely devoid of electronics. Instead, the device relied on two mechanical timers that, unfortunately, became less accurate the longer they were set for, potentially going off as early as eight minutes ahead of schedule or as many as 13 b
asciilifeform: ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.'
asciilifeform: ^ pure gold
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: did americans never invent 'chemical pencil' ??!!!
asciilifeform: sop in all civilized nations in 1930s, i thought
decimation: I thought the british gave that to tom cruise
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid?
asciilifeform: what shelf life.
asciilifeform: acid in glass lives forever
decimation: I guess it is in a sealed bottle
mircea_popescu: not so.
asciilifeform: ampoule.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring
asciilifeform: sounds like my washing machine.
asciilifeform: wouldn't be surprised if it is the same part.
BingoBoingo: It prolly is. Laudered from "Boing" by GE
asciilifeform: vice versa
BingoBoingo: Nah
asciilifeform: '"There were real issues with the operational wisdom of the program, and those who were to conduct the mission were sure that whomever thought this up was using bad hemp."'
BingoBoingo: If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag
n6: How can I get the requirments for installed on gentoo?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: << instructions at top
BingoBoingo: "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"
asciilifeform: n6: 'emerge'
decimation: < "Bizarrely, no physical goods came over the US border in this case. Rather, the digital file was transported over the internet. Last year, the ITC determined that it had the legal authority, under a tariff law from 1930, to stop the transmission of infringing digital files. "
assbot: An Undead SOPA Is Hiding Inside an Extremely Boring Case About Invisible Braces | Motherboard ... ( )
decimation: "The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ?
n6: asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.
asciilifeform: n6: might wanna speak to trinque when he wakes up
trinque: I'm back
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.
trinque catches up
trinque: !up n6
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.
trinque: n6: you can find the deps with emerge --search if they're in portage
trinque: python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them
asciilifeform: << lulz
assbot: NASA Must Pay Russia $490 Million Because Congress Won't Fund Trips to Space | Motherboard ... ( )
trinque: n6: also if you don't mind me asking, how'd you get gentoo installed without wielding emerge?
decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
decimation: which I think you suggested awhile ago
asciilifeform: decimation: see the thread with mircea_popescu
decimation: I don't think you could fix 'as-is' without heavily fragmenting memory
decimation: apparently most C++ programs don't even release the memory back to the os
asciilifeform: << that one
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 00:46:00; mircea_popescu: dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);
n6: I used AWS on ben_vulpes's recommendation, after failing to get it working on OS X
decimation: so the only real solution is: don't allocate in the first place
asciilifeform: in related nyooz,
asciilifeform: dulap ~still~ blackholes
asciilifeform: blackholed.
trinque: n6: ah ok
trinque: that's more or less cheating at gentoo
trinque: which is to say you've been dropped into a spaceship already in flight
decimation: asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)
asciilifeform: aha
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trinque: n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches
BingoBoingo: decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy
n6: trinque: Could you give me a link please?
trinque: !s gentoo-stage3
assbot: 2 results for 'gentoo-stage3' :
decimation: asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns
trinque: n6:
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 15:20:21; mod6: &&
trinque: n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.
n6: trinque: thanks I'm going to read this and try again. first one is dead?
BingoBoingo: decimation: "exists"
trinque: n6: link works for me
trinque: << this one
assbot: ... ( )
decimation: BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'
n6: trinque: thanks let me read this, and try again.
asciilifeform: decimation: mircea_popescu's idea was to have it be precisely by miner fee
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure "exists"
asciilifeform: and miners pay to access the cream of tx cache
trinque: n6: bon voyage
decimation: asciilifeform: it is now. earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners
asciilifeform: well yes, they pay out of band
asciilifeform: ('in-band' doesn't really feature an explicit provision for this kind of dealing)
decimation: yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: miner pays to access the top of the sorted mempool
asciilifeform: (the most lucrative-per-byte tx-en)
asciilifeform: how he pays, was not yet determined afaik
punkman: I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own
decimation: well, that was what made sense to me originally too, but then there was
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees
asciilifeform: i can find 'nice' food on the forest floor.
asciilifeform: or i can go to a store.
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: then again, it would also be rational for them not to fucktardedly 'spv'
decimation: as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
asciilifeform: yet they do.
asciilifeform: likewise, for 99% of them it would be rational to never mine at all
asciilifeform: never even to consider it
decimation: asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
asciilifeform: mining as we know it does not exactly select for folks who rationally weigh roi
BingoBoingo: Guzzoline! Witness!!!
decimation: not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
decimation: but I still think this is true:
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive
decimation: it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'
decimation: wherever that might be
asciilifeform: wai wat
decimation: asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
decimation: someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours
decimation: miners don't pay you anymore
asciilifeform: at a certain point, the only real use of mining will be collect tx fees
asciilifeform: decimation: how much would you personally pay to shave a millisecond of latency ?
asciilifeform: diminishing returns
decimation: true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'
asciilifeform: don't forget the other variable:
asciilifeform: sanity.
decimation: I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled
asciilifeform: as in, 'this pool is a millisecond faster but runs gavinized soup'
decimation: sure.
asciilifeform: 'this one takes ten minutes per but is run by a fella i know alive'
asciilifeform: the folks who pick the former over the latter - get darwined, like the spv morons are now in the process of;
asciilifeform: good riddance.
decimation: aye.
asciilifeform: granted, this could take a while.
decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
BingoBoingo: Lord Humungus sets the terms
BingoBoingo: Man Australia is fucked up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146950 @ 0.00056235 = 82.6373 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: The Humungus rules the Wasteland
BingoBoingo: And nobody rocks the cock like Krista Now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30002 @ 0.00056595 = 16.9796 BTC [+] {7}
punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go
assbot: Southland Tales - funny car commercial - YouTube ... ( )
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: Cars fuckign cars, cats and dogs getting along. Drepper really did beat Linus on Glibc didn't he.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00056762 = 18.1065 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00056762 = 8.6846 BTC [+]
punkman: !up SamouraiWallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00056762 = 16.0636 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36279 @ 0.0005534 = 20.0768 BTC [-]
Adlai: trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source?
Adlai: !s verifying deeds
assbot: 1 results for 'verifying deeds' :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00057082 = 17.5242 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00055531 = 19.7968 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: <<< i dunno about you guys but when i was a renter, i had a commando 450 i would use to replace the water saving shower head at every single place i let and would reaffix it at the end of the lease
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47699 @ 0.00055922 = 26.6742 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;isup
gribble: is down
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Adlai: deedbot-:
assbot: dpaste: 1JRE9WM ... ( )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
kakobrekla: i think you need raw
kakobrekla: deedbot-:
assbot: ... ( )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
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Adlai: ty kakobrekla
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assbot: Tokyo Court: Bitcoin Not Subject to Ownership ... ( )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36798 @ 0.00056173 = 20.6705 BTC [+]
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 279.43, Best ask: 279.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 279.44, 24 hour volume: 10200.05712033, 24 hour low: 278.64, 24 hour high: 284.11, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:16; asciilifeform: << lulz
mircea_popescu: i wonder why that is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: << you are both very late to this party and also who are you again ?
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
mircea_popescu: i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.
asciilifeform: wai wut
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, dulap ~STILL~ blackholed
asciilifeform: 'getinfo' from 24 hours ago, ~still~ hanging.
asciilifeform: zoolag and incitatus at 368648, 52 and 33 connections respectively, functioning normally.
shinohai: Someone dislikes you asciilifeform
asciilifeform: << poor indiancandy
assbot: Going Soft: Porn Officially Banned in India - ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'someone' is supplying a valuable massage service
shinohai: Be like water.
asciilifeform: trying connection lastseen=-40.8hrs lasttry=-20.6hrs
asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
asciilifeform: trying connection lastseen=-44.0hrs lasttry=-22.6hrs
asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
asciilifeform: trying connection lastseen=-41.2hrs lasttry=-20.3hrs
asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): No route to host
asciilifeform: ^ zombie world
asciilifeform: i often wonder, any reason not to banhammer folks who won't accept connectback at 8333? if you wanna speak, get out from behind that nat, and be a full node ?
asciilifeform: or else why talking
asciilifeform: everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform confused
mircea_popescu: re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
asciilifeform: i formerly thought this, also
asciilifeform: now - not certain
mircea_popescu: i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
asciilifeform trying to restart node on dulap, bitcoin won't even eat SIGTERM
mircea_popescu: kill -9
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
asciilifeform: could mean a leprosied blockchain and two day-long outage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: (of own creation)
mircea_popescu: this doesn't preclude the foregoing.
asciilifeform: i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test
asciilifeform: (suspect that phoundation 0.10+ misbehaves vis a vis 'classic' nodes)
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
mircea_popescu: Аккаунт
mircea_popescu: dude russian's hysterical.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: that's a new one.
mircea_popescu: it's just...
mircea_popescu: the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
asciilifeform: better than fr ?
mircea_popescu: way.
mircea_popescu: french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk
mircea_popescu: ymmv.
asciilifeform: kill-9, restarted, now wedged at 'Loading block index...'
asciilifeform: typical.
mircea_popescu: that'll take a while.
mircea_popescu: btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we haven't got this flag
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it must be in yours only
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: aaaaaand we're back to black hole hell
punkman: asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet?
asciilifeform: punkman: the wallet has never been fired
asciilifeform: on this box
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: well gotta do something re db corruption
mircea_popescu: maybe rsync the bdb
shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, what did you think i did before.
mircea_popescu: aha works.
asciilifeform: hence when i said '2 day outage'
asciilifeform: but that's lame
mircea_popescu: so it is.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.
asciilifeform: anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time.
punkman: asciilifeform: just wondering about
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses
asciilifeform: somehow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: inbound also did not and still does not work reliably
mircea_popescu: shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @ 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability
shinohai: spv isn't a real node :/
mircea_popescu: neither is a torrented blockchain
mircea_popescu: in fact they are exactly iudentical.
mircea_popescu: note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
asciilifeform: one can always 'eatblock' the thing.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy . what a shitnest !
assbot: bitcoin/src at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( )
mircea_popescu: not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what loc count is it at yet, 5mn ?
asciilifeform: could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked
mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!
mircea_popescu: power rangers actually pruned some code ?!
asciilifeform: mno ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: half again = 50% more, not less
asciilifeform: was half its size now
asciilifeform: is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: yeah, half-again is 150%. ancient roman convention.
asciilifeform: that thing is ~7MB ~zipped~
asciilifeform: ah hm
mircea_popescu: ahahaha good god
asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing
mircea_popescu: < check it out BingoBoingo, "tokyo court submits to old MP article"
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 12:09:06; shinohai:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14
asciilifeform: (similar to how 'bitnodes' does)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
mircea_popescu: ie, two and a half.
asciilifeform ought to have remembered this.
mircea_popescu: they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc
mircea_popescu: indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
mircea_popescu: re that old thread.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: find ./bitcoin-master/ -type f -exec cat {} + | wc -l
asciilifeform: wait for it...
asciilifeform: 335645
mircea_popescu waits for it
mircea_popescu: ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this!
asciilifeform: a copy of stator: 24209
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ?
asciilifeform: (src dir)
asciilifeform: turdator's src dir: 287866
asciilifeform: aaand dulap is back in business. for now...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: your earlier observation 'moar nodes!' - must determine if enemy is able to wedge on demand. because then it does not particularly matter how many of us there are.
asciilifeform: 'The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both “.dat” and “log” files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the “.dat” files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the “log” files are not– even minor version differences may have incompatible “log” files. The -detachdb option moves any pending chang
asciilifeform: es from the “log” files to the “blkindex.dat” file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the “wallet.dat” file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown.'
asciilifeform: (found, from 0.7.2 readme)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: ( )
assbot: Bitcoin-Qt version 0.7.2 released ... ( )
asciilifeform: doesn't appear to be of interest.
asciilifeform: unless mircea_popescu's -detachdb does something else!
asciilifeform: << apparently in the logz, even.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2014 06:12:47; ben_vulpes: << for lulz
punkman: I like how detach means combine into a single file?
asciilifeform bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @ 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @ 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache
mircea_popescu: which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.
mircea_popescu: this idiocy is actually where i ordered divergence.
mircea_popescu: who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy is not able to wedge on demand.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: <<< top kek
assbot: Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... ( )
mircea_popescu: social media ftw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18}
mircea_popescu: "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."
mircea_popescu: "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."
mircea_popescu: guy's taking some pretty powerful xanax.
shinohai: Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
mircea_popescu: in other news, make-up does wonders
assbot: ... ( )
shinohai: creamy ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: My god, mircea_popescu was right:
shinohai: He has no qualms about discussing it, heh
mircea_popescu: yeha guy's out there.
assbot: How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube ... ( )
punkman: looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade
mircea_popescu: maybe it's glued on
shinohai: Like half of the people in Tennessee
shinohai: And Xstians are always bandying about how persecuted they are:
assbot: School ‘banishes’ 7yo student for saying he doesn’t believe in God – lawsuit — RT USA ... ( )
trinque: good for the kid
trinque: Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found
trinque: and backed up of course
trinque: but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one
trinque: the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key
trinque: bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between
trinque: meaning ascii armor footer and header touching
shinohai: trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ?
trinque: nah this tenyks bot I no longer like
trinque: has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition
trinque: I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that
trinque: rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL
punkman: trinque: did you write the services in go?
trinque: nah, python
trinque: it does pub/sub over redis
trinque: so anything with a redis client would work
trinque: it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @ 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-]
ascii_field: << already forgot his 'coloured phone' ?
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
ascii_field: (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)
ascii_field: anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @ 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6}
ascii_field: ;;isup
gribble: is down
trinque: punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it
trinque: haven't had a problem yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: trinque: public node ?
trinque: ascii_field: should be listening at
punkman: "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @ 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field mebbe so.
mircea_popescu: punkman a good principle for sure.
mircea_popescu: too many diesel cunts in the world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: unleaded cunts only
jurov_now: nao!!!
BingoBoingo: !b 6
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
ben_vulpes: coracle wedged firmly at 367850.
ben_vulpes: i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you?
ascii_field: nope
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from?
BingoBoingo: I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes:
assbot: Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: ~noble~
ascii_field: gargh
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry
ben_vulpes: which is also neat
ben_vulpes: but w/e, your shop
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?
ben_vulpes doesn't wedge frequently
ascii_field: restart ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: have yeah.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: post pcap plz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2}
scoopbot_revived: Tokyo Court Affirms Ancient Bitcoin Wisdom: Coins Gifted to Scammers are No Longer Yours
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: dev-haskell/pcap?
ben_vulpes: no no no
ascii_field: nono
ascii_field: tcpdump
ben_vulpes: aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: welp i hosed this gentoo somehow
ben_vulpes: tcpdump: command not found
ben_vulpes: man tcpdump: werkz
jurov_now: did it emerge successfully?
ben_vulpes: pretty sure.
trinque: ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH
trinque: might have to re-open
ben_vulpes shrugs, runs emerge again
ben_vulpes: guys i dont understand the first thing about computers
trinque: ben_vulpes: open a new term
ben_vulpes: trinque: tried that.
trinque: hm, then ass-goblins
ben_vulpes: will post emergelog shortly.
trinque: ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin
trinque: probably requires root to run
ben_vulpes: sudo tcpdump?
ben_vulpes: i are a dorp
ben_vulpes: whoa okay yeah it werkz. i don't.
assbot: Bill Withers - Ain't No Sunshine - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: how long of a pcap run?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
shinohai: $google uses for worthless asics
trinque: shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper?
shinohai: wut ...
trinque: also, new entry for metal thread
assbot: Black Crown Initiate - The Wreckage Of Stars (2014) Full Album - YouTube ... ( )
trinque: shinohai: paperweight joke
shinohai: I was thinking doorstop
shinohai: I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago
trinque: ever get any coin out of them?
trinque: I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining
shinohai: I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly.
shinohai: I mainly purchased them as curiousity.
punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
punkman: I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time
assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - ... ( )
funkenstein_: !up franckuestein
shinohai: Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Maybe pregnancy made them gay?
shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
jurov_now: hardly any teen is sure of their orientation
mircea_popescu: lol jurov_now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: is this your new pornstar name ?
jurov_now: yes, now!
punkman: it rolls of the tongue
punkman: should keep it
mircea_popescu: but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide
mircea_popescu: or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression.
mircea_popescu: no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm)
mircea_popescu: and in other news,
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things
mircea_popescu: kids.
ascii_field: the dumber, the more cocksure, i thought
mircea_popescu: !up n6
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.
n6: mircea_popescu: I still working on getting working but I noticed you have an open bounty ( still. someone linked the done work already( can I collect?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: << instructions at top
shinohai: <<< beats sharpies-in-ass
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:04:16; mircea_popescu: and in other news,
funkenstein_: <-- could be only way to keep dad around
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
mircea_popescu: n6 it's been paid out et all for a while.
n6: ah too bad.
mircea_popescu: you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it.
n6: ah I thought it might be to good to be true.
mircea_popescu: <>< in which case the tidy profits are not from mining
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
mircea_popescu: << anyway, this imo should be sufficient proof that "gay" is a fashion label, being used for political gain by unscrupulous operators but otherwise perfectly unrelated with anything substantial
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - ... ( )
mircea_popescu: such as anyhone's sexuality.,
mircea_popescu: they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike"
assbot: feminism ... ( )
assbot: anti-feminism ... ( )
punkman: << heh
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 05:46:09; punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go
assbot: Charger prototype finding its way to Model S - YouTube ... ( )
ascii_field: >> <<
assbot: ... ( )
punkman: is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?
ascii_field: yes.
assbot: Illinois will close World Shooting Complex in Sparta at end of August : News ... ( )
scoopbot_revived: Fiat Chrysler Sued in Court Over Security Vulnerability
trinque: bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog
trinque: I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face
trinque: << for those who must witness
assbot: Monkey Rapes Frog - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5209 @ 0.00056614 = 2.949 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo in that last qntra, i think you forgot to mention
assbot: "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( )
BingoBoingo: ty pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: np my man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52738 @ 0.00056749 = 29.9283 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: < hm yea this makes for an interesting read
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?
assbot: Problems with two active encryption subkeys | GnuPG | users ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00057072 = 14.6104 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: << update
assbot: under attack, or this is why you checksum. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
pete_dushenski: shit's gotten worse instead of better.
pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
pete_dushenski: because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something
shinohai: That solves everything doesn't it?
pete_dushenski: in lalaland, it would see so
pete_dushenski: seem
shinohai: Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths
pete_dushenski: because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software
pete_dushenski: because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes
pete_dushenski: god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !
pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
pete_dushenski: and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35028 @ 0.00057198 = 20.0353 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
pete_dushenski: it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary
pete_dushenski: trinque i'll look
ascii_field: (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case
ascii_field: what case
pete_dushenski: where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ?
ascii_field: for archaeological purposes ?
ascii_field: from one's wot of course
pete_dushenski: fair enough.
trinque: gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it
kakobrekla: hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?
pete_dushenski: dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field ^you have by chance ?
ascii_field: intel ?
kakobrekla: because, to me it doesnt seem to be working.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field mhm
ascii_field: then no
pete_dushenski: ascii_field you have for ppc ?
ascii_field: possibly
pete_dushenski: if you have for ppc and macos 10.4, i'm interested
ascii_field: 9.
pete_dushenski: mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot
pete_dushenski: 1 down... couple dozen to go.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hyperlink to that article missed the 'a'
BingoBoingo: fxd
shinohai: <<< for some reason that set my mind a brewin'
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
pete_dushenski: << why phil, why ??
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How much do we love Windows 10? ... ( )
pete_dushenski: downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10.
shinohai: If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure.
davout: ohai
ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
pete_dushenski: re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field that ol' coot ? hm.
pete_dushenski: shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.
shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: for sure.
shinohai: If anyone can think outside the box ....
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pete_dushenski: what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is.
assbot: 10134 – Ulrich Drepper is a fucking dictator asshole ... ( )
pete_dushenski: sorta like bitcoin, that's what there is.
BingoBoingo: "Note that the status of the bug was changed from "RESOLVED INVALID" to "RESOLVED FIXED" in 2014-03-20. Probably because as well as I know Ulrich currently doesn't work in Red Hat and doesn't have any commit access."
assbot: glibc steering committee dissolving ... ( )
pete_dushenski: shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.
pete_dushenski: of course, this isn't the os space we live in
shinohai: Of course not, if you try yo will lose.
shinohai: *you
davout: <<< iirc trinque mentioned a versioning system that does signed commits properly, where you can extract a set of individually signed patches
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
pete_dushenski: shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this
trinque: davout: it was punkman re darcs I think
shinohai: I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent
pete_dushenski: but i'm off for a bit. laters !
ascii_field: davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron.
trinque: I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it
trinque: but I agree with that principle
davout: ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?
ascii_field: speaking of signing, rather than checking
ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp
davout: yeah, that's the point
davout: check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check
davout: with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2
davout: (for each commit that is)
mircea_popescu: aga
mircea_popescu: aha*
davout: so basically the toolset reduces to:
davout: 1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits)
ascii_field: already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~
davout: 2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks
davout: 3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool
davout: ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess
ascii_field: davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ?
davout: the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ?
ascii_field: it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation
ascii_field: can take mine, convert to yours, sure
trinque: !up ascii_field
davout: "please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-)
ascii_field: ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.
trinque: with the antecedent named, seems fine
trinque: what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere*
ascii_field: aha, working on that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00057267 = 10.6517 BTC [+]
davout: as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about
mircea_popescu: the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.
davout: roger ver delivers, again
assbot: MemoryDealers comments on Roger Ver on Twitter: "...Let's raise the block size limit." ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00056316 = 18.359 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: wow, this guy still exists!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "sued in court" kinda redundant neh ?
mircea_popescu: << ahahaha. was obviously getting in the way of UXability.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd
mircea_popescu: << don't forget aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
assbot: The Dancing Man and the cult of well-intentioned idiots. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34985 @ 0.00057325 = 20.0552 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: in somewhat udder news,
assbot: ... ( )
shinohai: I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually.
shinohai with a secret proxy for India
trinque: shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today!
mircea_popescu: holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!
mircea_popescu: this is the most mindblowing thing i heard this week.
mircea_popescu: << naw. hashalot is written by slusky.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << for the record i fail to see any genius. this might be just because i'm a dour old prune, so don't mind me.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
assbot: Ted Kaczynski and the Technological Singularity ... ( )
shinohai: Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.
mircea_popescu: shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.
mircea_popescu: refresh me, what did he do ? (flatly honest question)
shinohai: Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know
shinohai: I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency
mircea_popescu: << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp
mircea_popescu: to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.
kakobrekla: what am i missing here?
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the key is broken apparently ?
kakobrekla: i doubt it
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what this is.
kakobrekla: certainly not a feature.
kakobrekla: mebbe ascii knows something ?
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ?
kakobrekla: lets see
mircea_popescu: fucking b-a, never a dull moment.
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kakobrekla: i get fucking the same?
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: no, the pubkey is broken
kakobrekla: how is it broken?
kakobrekla: hm
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it doesn't hash to its fingerprint
punkman: kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?
mircea_popescu: we got a live cosmic ray event here or wtf.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what
kakobrekla: or maybe we are missing something with mp
kakobrekla: pls do tell ?
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kakobrekla: mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well
kakobrekla: yeah lol we are noobs.
kakobrekla: you cant encrypt with that.
punkman: aha
kakobrekla: what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367
kakobrekla: however i am not sure this is possible.
punkman: it's a special case indeed
kakobrekla: perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29
punkman: n6 needs to re-arrange his keys
kakobrekla: if the gpg falls back
kakobrekla: to his non expiring kex
kakobrekla: key
kakobrekla: or add another working subkey ?
punkman: in case you find yourself in Belgium
assbot: ... ( )
kakobrekla: with even longer expiration date
punkman: for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.
punkman: (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)
kakobrekla: and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: pub 4096R/2FB7B452 2011-07-22 <<
mircea_popescu: my key is actually the main.
kakobrekla: nein
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mircea_popescu: gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22
mircea_popescu: right you are
kakobrekla: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
kakobrekla: yea
mircea_popescu: one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head.
punkman: gl hf
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, kakobrekla has it, we're noobs.
punkman: and you don't have to carry your master private key around!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 nevermind, figured it out in the end.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: punkman i just dont leave house.
mircea_popescu: to celebrate, trophy :
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: and i can confirm, he doesn't.
shinohai: < Hopefully I get rated one day with a "Hurr Durr Dippy Do"
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
assbot: Swedish Chef - Meatballs - YouTube ... ( )
kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
punkman: kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device
punkman: revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice
mircea_popescu: ;;isup
gribble: is up
mircea_popescu: bah
mircea_popescu: what can you rely on in this day and age
shinohai: ^ truth
kakobrekla: <
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!
mircea_popescu: and yes, that's four ~significant~ digits there.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago.
mircea_popescu: cool!
mircea_popescu: i went to tigre. it sucked.
mircea_popescu: "oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code.
mircea_popescu: was expectiong either jay or silent bob at any turn
mircea_popescu disfirms. kakobrekla does in fact leave house.
kakobrekla: on a good occasion.
mircea_popescu: (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)
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decimation: I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00055696 = 8.7342 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Being dour is fun decimation
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: achtung, panzers!
ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
ascii_field: gives the desired behaviour.
scoopbot_revived: MPIF (F.MPIF) July 2015 Statement
ascii_field: ^^^ mircea_popescu ^^^
ascii_field: ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.
ascii_field: this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!!
ascii_field: requires standard gnu awk.
ascii_field: replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util.
ascii_field: << example output
assbot: dpaste: 05M62XK ... ( )
ascii_field: mircea_popesc ^
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^
jurov: interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding"
jurov: while inactive
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pete_dushenski: !up n6
n6: I'm at the end of but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
assbot: ... ( )
n6: grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that
n6: I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that
kakobrekla: 'make clean' perhaps ?
kakobrekla nfi
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n6: mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up
n6: done all the steps after but still wont let me leave
danielpbarron: n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install
n6: this is the only install I have.
danielpbarron: can be the "live" "cd"
danielpbarron: flash drive with iso or whatever
kakobrekla: ah
n6: How?
danielpbarron: or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment
n6: Yes still in the live environment.
n6: Do I need to start over?
danielpbarron: i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up
n6: I have done that, and still isn't working.
kakobrekla thought you were at building the turd
n6: No I fucked it up went back tried again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.0005566 = 20.9838 BTC [-] {3}
n6: I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.
n6: I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing.
danielpbarron: i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo
danielpbarron: but i did not use that guide
jurov: tried to re-merge grub?
jurov: the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting
n6: no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how?
jurov: emerge grub
jurov: ^just that
n6: still giving me the error
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0005566 = 10.0745 BTC [-]
n6: How do I boot without grub?
assbot: The Swedish dream ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.0005728 = 33.7379 BTC [+] {5}
danielpbarron: i ended up using regular grub
n6: What is regular grub?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00057445 = 58.8524 BTC [+] {4}
danielpbarron: as opposed to grub2
danielpbarron: don't mind me, you should probably just start over
n6: yea seems that way
trinque: n6: rebuild grub
trinque: emerge grub
n6: I did that didn't work starting over right now..
trinque: the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built
trinque: alright
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33295 @ 0.0005566 = 18.532 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also
assbot: Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00057532 = 26.3497 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: << me ? son of a hitler ? lol just wait until you see what scoopy's bringin in here
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:49:46; mircea_popescu: << don't forget aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
asciilifeform: << 'grub2' is satanic. use grub or - best of all - lilo
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 23:44:17; n6: I'm at the end of but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
trinque: pete_dushenski: bahahaha
scoopbot_revived: La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal
pete_dushenski: trinque :D
trinque: calling all artists in la serenissima
pete_dushenski: it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here
asciilifeform: !up n6
trinque: I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79440 @ 0.00057611 = 45.7662 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner
asciilifeform: 'But whether the Eagles obey us, Or we go to the Ravens--alone, I'd sooner be Lalage's lover Than sit on an Emperor's throne!'
pete_dushenski: what's that look like again ?
asciilifeform: (tm) (r) (kipling)
asciilifeform: ( )
assbot: Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: "Rimini" ... ( )
pete_dushenski: the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter
n6: Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall
n6: I have made a mess of this gentoo thing.
danielpbarron: slower is faster
BingoBoingo: n6: Maybe choose a different source based distro?
assbot: Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( )
n6: um, think it has to be gentoo here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nb
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski haha but why the eagle
BingoBoingo: n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :(
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what's next, a five litre blood sample ?
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
n6: Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly?
asciilifeform: a 100kg stool sample ?
ben_vulpes: hey man i shit big
mircea_popescu: shit check that out, alf's quite the poetic library
asciilifeform: lolwat
asciilifeform: is there any english speaker alive who doesn't remember that one
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu to quote two footnotes...
pete_dushenski: "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."
pete_dushenski: "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"
mircea_popescu: <n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one
pete_dushenski: eagles on the mind, it seems.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00057561 = 21.24 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i realized while sitting in car that the awk doesn't handle formation of new files, or removal. will post tweaked version later.
asciilifeform: for now, can use this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. all of them.
asciilifeform: format will not change
asciilifeform: ever.
mircea_popescu: i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now.
asciilifeform: l0l!!
BingoBoingo: <n6> Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu btw that second footnote... is yours.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually ~working with~ a linux without any package system whatsoever, is not entirely honestly describable as 'basic'
pete_dushenski: first is mine.
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux.
ben_vulpes: << is this still the case?
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.
asciilifeform: no
ben_vulpes: mk
asciilifeform: see log.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe.
ben_vulpes: hm i can't find the dulap dns record in
asciilifeform: << kipling's rimini, sung, even
assbot: Leslie Fish-Rimini - Kipling - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: (pretty famous)
mircea_popescu: "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
mircea_popescu: ~Rassah"
mircea_popescu: lol!
ben_vulpes: aha,
mircea_popescu: for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever.
mircea_popescu: even lola looks better.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't a name
mircea_popescu: yes it was ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but meant something like 'loudmouth'
asciilifeform: nickname
mircea_popescu: well sure, in greek
pete_dushenski: !gettrust rassah
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. | |
mircea_popescu: by the time the latins got to it... ovid had a poem
mircea_popescu: no nm, horace had a poem, about some chick lalalage.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aka
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today.
mircea_popescu: that film's actually quite good.
asciilifeform: das war ein Befehl!
pete_dushenski: << for anyone wondering what 'fender flags' are, see red pieces here
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mircea_popescu: i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.
mircea_popescu: that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...
mircea_popescu: the definitive scene of war.
pete_dushenski: et... je depart encore une fois. ciao !
BingoBoingo: email
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: would be lulzy if it bufferdiddles
BingoBoingo: I am perl illiterate
BingoBoingo: But, would be lulzy indeed
asciilifeform: << iirc it won't hash binaries
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:01:29; mircea_popescu:
asciilifeform: only printables!
asciilifeform: on stdin.
mats: association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos
BingoBoingo: !up n6
BingoBoingo: n6: For educational purposes only
assbot: Canonical list of operating systems that suck ... ( )
mircea_popescu: o.O
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BingoBoingo: "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. – Erik Naggum"
trinque: oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers
BingoBoingo: Related
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BingoBoingo: trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years
trinque: haha
trinque: make it a static site generator and you win
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BingoBoingo: trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge
BingoBoingo: And spam filter
trinque: interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?
trinque: looks so
trinque: how's that thing?
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.
trinque: << actually looks like it does use the rc shell
assbot: werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( )
trinque: though yup, you see that around elsewhere too
trinque: "run control" maybe?
trinque: in the case of the init systems
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells
trinque: << looks like that's a usage of rc
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BingoBoingo: I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc
BingoBoingo: *httpd
trinque: could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"
trinque: happens all the time
BingoBoingo: trinque: Think I found it
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BingoBoingo: plan9 rc is just plan9 rc
BingoBoingo: The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"
BingoBoingo: !up n6
n6: Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.
BingoBoingo: Build something else?
n6: Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot
n6: asciilifeform: could you help me?
asciilifeform: n6: whatcha doing
n6: I need to use lilo in place of grub here
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n6: I just emerged it
trinque: n6: mang don't use lilo
trinque: what computer are you on
n6: amd64 desktop
trinque: lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable
asciilifeform: n6: << cookbook
assbot: LILO - Gentoo Wiki ... ( )
trinque: n6: what's the snag?
asciilifeform: trinque: and grub you also reconfigure each time you change the kernel
n6: I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right
trinque: asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel
trinque: doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?
asciilifeform: trinque swaps kernels daily ?
trinque: no
trinque: yet fuck having to get a boot disk
asciilifeform: what boot disk
asciilifeform: run from live machine
trinque: the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub
asciilifeform: why should it fail
asciilifeform: grub2 is an atrocity
asciilifeform: what, 5x the size of therealbitcoin ?
trinque: what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever
asciilifeform: with own vga drivers, even
trinque: sure sure
asciilifeform: and miniature 32-bit os
asciilifeform: and font renderer
trinque: no argument here
asciilifeform: FUCKING TRUETYPE
asciilifeform: diediedie
decimation: grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be
asciilifeform: decimation: try grub2 !
trinque: asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2
decimation: yeah, even worse
asciilifeform: a true victory of who mircea_popescu called 'UXers' if ever there was one.
assbot: sinit - suckless init ... ( )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this has docs somewhere ?
BingoBoingo: Doesn grub even fit onto a boot sector
asciilifeform: or is one expected to read the code
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you think
BingoBoingo: and just maybe on deviant storage devices?
assbot: sinit - suckless init | core - userspace foundation ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Also
assbot: Another Init System: Sinit - The Suckless Init System - Phoronix ... ( )
BingoBoingo: This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."
n6: asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet
asciilifeform: gotta start somewhere
n6: Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.
asciilifeform: take a break
asciilifeform: not everyone has to do everything.
trinque: failure is also good for you
trinque: and is unavoidable when dealing with computers
n6: asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?
asciilifeform: ls -l /boot
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asciilifeform: (may have to mount /boot first
asciilifeform: )
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n6: All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug 6 18:32 lost+found
n6: maybe its not mounted.
n6: telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found
n6: Oh i must genkernel all first sorry.
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BingoBoingo: !up n6
assbot: ... ( )
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assbot: S-exp vs XML, by Erik Naggum ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Also apparently WaPo wants the person who killed HP to kill USia
assbot: Carly Fiorina: The former Hewlett Packard CEO won the kids' table debate. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypt’s President al-Sissi did—a Muslim—when he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."
BingoBoingo: Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?
BingoBoingo: Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.
decimation: I'm pretty sure he's working for clitler
BingoBoingo: decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...
BingoBoingo: Clitler might surrender to combover
decimation: lol
BingoBoingo: Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary
BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes
decimation: they want whoever will be the best circus clown for the democrats to hate upon
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.
BingoBoingo: They want drama(period)
n6: Getting End kernal panic not a syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on known-blog check
n6: asciilifeform: sorry to keep bugging you but any ideas?
asciilifeform is reading Лизюков А.И. Что надо знать воину Красной Армии о боевых приемах немцев. -М.: Воениздат НКО СССР, 1942 -- and soon to bed
BingoBoingo: Clitler v. Combover would be a battle of $140mil+graft vs. $980mil+differentgraft
BingoBoingo: n6: Practice on different *nic first. Install OpenBSD upgrade to stable. May have to patch bitcoind, but learn building from source in very documented way.
decimation: I don't get the lefty case for clitler
BingoBoingo: There isn't one.
BingoBoingo: A true SJW would want Bernie Sanders to go "Jenner"
decimation: yeah, that I get
decimation: but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise
BingoBoingo expects "Jenner" to get verb'd soon
BingoBoingo: decimation: But that marketing.
BingoBoingo: !up n6
BingoBoingo: "kinder" Gawker Media on the day of first GOP debate
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n6: seems LILO is not stopping me from botting from USB
n6: Has to be gentoo sadly
BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.
BingoBoingo: Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)
decimation: greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats
decimation: I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama
decimation: but he can't be disrespected without costing popular vote
BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed Omidyar cultured such true believers that his core would leave him to volunteer for Nick Denton
assbot: Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( )
BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle
BingoBoingo: "am Biddle
BingoBoingo: 9:54 PM
BingoBoingo: Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"
BingoBoingo: ^ Incredilol
BingoBoingo: I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.
BingoBoingo: The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled
BingoBoingo: Butt between Pareene and Greenwald abandoning Omidyar's pet for Gawker we must be able to imply where CIA favors.
BingoBoingo: DNS is fucked. Apparently the following link works for some mongoloids|
BingoBoingo: !up n6
n6: Hoping 3rd time is the charm
n6: might try openBSD after this..
BingoBoingo: n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"
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asciilifeform: << vintage lulz
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