decimation: lolz. I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe?
decimation: asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts
mircea_popescu: i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41652 @ 0.00051752 = 21.5557 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: yeah me too. not gonna do what mall cop wants
mircea_popescu: i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports
decimation: I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet
mircea_popescu: so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.
decimation: apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks
BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points
decimation: heh yeah. I would consider it if I were to travel abroad
decimation: supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too
gernika: Good stuff. Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't.
decimation: australia is famously nazi at their border
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough?
BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24120 @ 0.00055892 = 13.4812 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles"
BingoBoingo: Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored.
Michail1: Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though.
mircea_popescu: what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes
decimation: mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?
mircea_popescu: the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.
decimation: it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go
decimation: but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units
BingoBoingo: Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world
decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory
decimation: by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home
mircea_popescu: imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad
mircea_popescu: and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.
decimation: sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs
decimation: I thought the british gave that to tom cruise
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring
BingoBoingo: If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag
BingoBoingo: "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"
decimation: "The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "
n6: asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.
trinque: n6: you can find the deps with emerge --search if they're in portage
trinque: python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them
trinque: n6: also if you don't mind me asking, how'd you get gentoo installed without wielding emerge?
decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
decimation: which I think you suggested awhile ago
decimation: I don't think you could fix 'as-is' without heavily fragmenting memory
decimation: apparently most C++ programs don't even release the memory back to the os
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 00:46:00; mircea_popescu: dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);
n6: I used AWS on ben_vulpes's recommendation, after failing to get it working on OS X
decimation: so the only real solution is: don't allocate in the first place
trinque: that's more or less cheating at gentoo
trinque: which is to say you've been dropped into a spaceship already in flight
decimation: asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00056234 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches
BingoBoingo: decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy
n6: trinque: Could you give me a link please?
decimation: asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns
trinque: n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.
n6: trinque: thanks I'm going to read this and try again. first one is dead?
decimation: BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'
n6: trinque: thanks let me read this, and try again.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is now. earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners
decimation: yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
punkman: I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
decimation: as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
decimation: asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
decimation: not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive
decimation: it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'
decimation: asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
decimation: someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours
decimation: true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'
decimation: I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled
decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
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BingoBoingo: Cars fuckign cars, cats and dogs getting along. Drepper really did beat Linus on Glibc didn't he.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00056762 = 18.1065 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00056762 = 8.6846 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00055087 = 7.9055 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00056691 = 7.5399 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36279 @ 0.0005534 = 20.0768 BTC [-]
Adlai: trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source?
Adlai: !s verifying deeds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00057082 = 17.5242 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00055531 = 19.7968 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58080 @ 0.00057114 = 33.1718 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00057206 = 20.1234 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34869 @ 0.00057383 = 20.0089 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47699 @ 0.00055922 = 26.6742 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00056301 = 18.4104 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58674 @ 0.00055339 = 32.4696 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00054966 = 7.8601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00054914 = 32.1247 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054839 = 11.242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97250 @ 0.00054551 = 53.0508 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2102 @ 0.00055337 = 1.1632 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36798 @ 0.00056173 = 20.6705 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 279.43, Best ask: 279.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 279.44, 24 hour volume: 10200.05712033, 24 hour low: 278.64, 24 hour high: 284.11, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
mircea_popescu: i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.
shinohai: Someone dislikes you asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
mircea_popescu: re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
mircea_popescu: i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
mircea_popescu: the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
mircea_popescu: french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet?
shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?
mircea_popescu: shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @ 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability
mircea_popescu: note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: half again = 50% more, not less
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
mircea_popescu: they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc
mircea_popescu: indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
mircea_popescu: ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ?
punkman: I like how detach means combine into a single file?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @ 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @ 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache
mircea_popescu: which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.
mircea_popescu: who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... (
http://bit.ly/1IsruCb )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18}
mircea_popescu: "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."
mircea_popescu: "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."
shinohai: Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: He has no qualms about discussing it, heh
punkman: looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade
shinohai: Like half of the people in Tennessee
trinque: Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found
trinque: but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one
trinque: the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key
trinque: bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between
trinque: meaning ascii armor footer and header touching
shinohai: trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ?
trinque: nah this tenyks bot I no longer like
trinque: has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition
trinque: I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that
trinque: rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL
punkman: trinque: did you write the services in go?
trinque: it does pub/sub over redis
trinque: so anything with a redis client would work
trinque: it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @ 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
ascii_field: (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)
ascii_field: anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @ 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6}
trinque: punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it
trinque: haven't had a problem yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: ascii_field: should be listening at 54.68.114.104:8333
punkman: "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @ 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from?
BingoBoingo: I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+]
trinque: ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH
ben_vulpes: guys i dont understand the first thing about computers
trinque: ben_vulpes: open a new term
trinque: ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin
trinque: probably requires root to run
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+]
shinohai: $google uses for worthless asics
trinque: shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper?
trinque: shinohai: paperweight joke
shinohai: I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago
trinque: ever get any coin out of them?
trinque: I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining
shinohai: I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly.
shinohai: I mainly purchased them as curiousity.
punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
punkman: I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time
shinohai: Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me
shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
jurov_now: hardly any teen is sure of their orientation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide
mircea_popescu: or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression.
mircea_popescu: no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
n6: ah I thought it might be to good to be true.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
mircea_popescu: they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike"
punkman: is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?
trinque: bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog
trinque: I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5209 @ 0.00056614 = 2.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52738 @ 0.00056749 = 29.9283 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00057072 = 14.6104 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
pete_dushenski: because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something
shinohai: That solves everything doesn't it?
shinohai: Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths
pete_dushenski: because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software
pete_dushenski: because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes
pete_dushenski: god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !
pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
pete_dushenski: and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.
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trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
pete_dushenski: it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday
pete_dushenski: it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary
ascii_field: (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case
pete_dushenski: where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ?
trinque: gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it
kakobrekla: hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?
pete_dushenski: dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator)
kakobrekla: because, to me it doesnt seem to be working.
pete_dushenski: mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
pete_dushenski: downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10.
shinohai: If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure.
ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
pete_dushenski: re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth.
pete_dushenski: shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.
shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
shinohai: If anyone can think outside the box ....
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pete_dushenski: what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is.
pete_dushenski: shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.
shinohai: Of course not, if you try yo will lose.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
pete_dushenski: shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this
trinque: davout: it was punkman re darcs I think
shinohai: I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent
ascii_field: davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron.
trinque: I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it
trinque: but I agree with that principle
davout: ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?
davout: yeah, that's the point
davout: check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check
davout: with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2
davout: (for each commit that is)
davout: so basically the toolset reduces to:
davout: 1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits)
ascii_field: already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~
davout: 2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks
davout: 3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool
davout: ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess
ascii_field: davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ?
davout: the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ?
ascii_field: it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation
davout: "please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-)
ascii_field: ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.
trinque: with the antecedent named, seems fine
trinque: what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere*
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davout: as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about
mircea_popescu: the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.
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assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
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shinohai: I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually.
trinque: shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today!
mircea_popescu: holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
shinohai: Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.
mircea_popescu: shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.
shinohai: Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know
shinohai: I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp
mircea_popescu: to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.
mircea_popescu: can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ?
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punkman: kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers.
kakobrekla: punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what
kakobrekla: or maybe we are missing something with mp
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kakobrekla: mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well
kakobrekla: what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367
kakobrekla: however i am not sure this is possible.
punkman: it's a special case indeed
kakobrekla: perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29
punkman: n6 needs to re-arrange his keys
punkman: for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.
punkman: (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)
kakobrekla: and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.
mircea_popescu: gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22
kakobrekla: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
mircea_popescu: one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head.
punkman: and you don't have to carry your master private key around!
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
punkman: kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device
punkman: revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago.
mircea_popescu: "oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code.
mircea_popescu: (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)
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decimation: I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.
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ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
ascii_field: ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.
ascii_field: this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!!
ascii_field: replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util.
jurov: interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding"
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n6: grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that
n6: I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that
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n6: mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up
n6: done all the steps after but still wont let me leave
danielpbarron: n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install
n6: this is the only install I have.
danielpbarron: or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment
n6: Yes still in the live environment.
n6: Do I need to start over?
danielpbarron: i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up
n6: I have done that, and still isn't working.
n6: No I fucked it up went back tried again
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n6: I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.
n6: I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing.
danielpbarron: i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo
jurov: tried to re-merge grub?
jurov: the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting
n6: no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how?
n6: still giving me the error
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n6: How do I boot without grub?
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n6: What is regular grub?
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danielpbarron: don't mind me, you should probably just start over
n6: I did that didn't work starting over right now..
trinque: the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built
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trinque: calling all artists in la serenissima
pete_dushenski: it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here
trinque: I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner
pete_dushenski: the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter
n6: Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall
n6: I have made a mess of this gentoo thing.
n6: um, think it has to be gentoo here.
BingoBoingo: n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :(
n6: Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly?
pete_dushenski: "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."
pete_dushenski: "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"
mircea_popescu: <n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one
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mircea_popescu: i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now.
BingoBoingo: <n6> Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe.
ben_vulpes: hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
mircea_popescu: for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today.
mircea_popescu: i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.
mircea_popescu: that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...
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mats: association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos
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BingoBoingo: "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. Erik Naggum"
trinque: oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers
BingoBoingo: trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years
trinque: make it a static site generator and you win
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BingoBoingo: trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge
trinque: interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.
trinque: though yup, you see that around elsewhere too
trinque: in the case of the init systems
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells
BingoBoingo: I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc
trinque: could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"
BingoBoingo: The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"
n6: Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.
n6: Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot
n6: asciilifeform: could you help me?
trinque: lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable
n6: I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right
trinque: asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel
trinque: doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?
trinque: yet fuck having to get a boot disk
trinque: the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub
trinque: what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever
decimation: grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be
trinque: asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2
BingoBoingo: This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."
n6: asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet
n6: Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.
trinque: failure is also good for you
trinque: and is unavoidable when dealing with computers
n6: asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?
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n6: All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug 6 18:32 lost+found
n6: maybe its not mounted.
n6: telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found
n6: Oh i must genkernel all first sorry.
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BingoBoingo: USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypts President al-Sissi dida Muslimwhen he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."
BingoBoingo: Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?
BingoBoingo: Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.
decimation: I'm pretty sure he's working for clitler
BingoBoingo: decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...
BingoBoingo: Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary
BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes
decimation: they want whoever will be the best circus clown for the democrats to hate upon
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.
n6: Getting End kernal panic not a syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on known-blog check
n6: asciilifeform: sorry to keep bugging you but any ideas?
BingoBoingo: Clitler v. Combover would be a battle of $140mil+graft vs. $980mil+differentgraft
BingoBoingo: n6: Practice on different *nic first. Install OpenBSD upgrade to stable. May have to patch bitcoind, but learn building from source in very documented way.
decimation: I don't get the lefty case for clitler
BingoBoingo: A true SJW would want Bernie Sanders to go "Jenner"
decimation: but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise
n6: seems LILO is not stopping me from botting from USB
n6: Has to be gentoo sadly
BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.
BingoBoingo: Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)
decimation: greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats
decimation: I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama
decimation: but he can't be disrespected without costing popular vote
BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed Omidyar cultured such true believers that his core would leave him to volunteer for Nick Denton
BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle
BingoBoingo: Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"
BingoBoingo: I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.
BingoBoingo: The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled
BingoBoingo: Butt between Pareene and Greenwald abandoning Omidyar's pet for Gawker we must be able to imply where CIA favors.
n6: Hoping 3rd time is the charm
n6: might try openBSD after this..
BingoBoingo: n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"
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