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(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-12 02:24:01 gregorynyssa: and how do you view the purported ongoing AI Renaissance, catalyzed by DeepMind and TensorFlow?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-12 02:18:44 gregorynyssa: did the proliferation of UNIX play a role?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: if you picture tech development as a 'hill-climb' search -- there are 'peaks' that can only be reached by plowing through lotsa 'valley' by ~brute force. i.e. high-risk, ruinously-expensive experimentation.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-12 02:15:29 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: what exactly happened during the Lisp Winter? always wondered.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the way 'macivory' worx -- it sits in that mac, and the latter boots normally, then you run their console proggy -- which handles screen, kbd, and disk i/o for the card, and gives you a standard bolix console on normal vga monitor.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-11 01:38:09 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: if I understand correctly, MacIvory was like a graphics-card containing a LISP environment, which could be plugged into the Macintosh, is that right?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:14:39 gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: the data-model of Emacs gets uglier the more you study it, not unlike Git.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:06:10 gregorynyssa: one of the catalysts for my disillusionment was when I decided (as a college student) to exhaustively read all the available documentation for GNU Emacs, front-to-back (thousands of pages) to better understand this platform which I was using every day. unlike many systems Emacs does reward learning... up to a point...
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa, verisimilitude : if only wooden jokes in the docs were the only problem in gnu world..
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I'm truly not seeing the issue here, gregorynyssa. If wanting to read documentation devoid of any humanity, why not visit Github's official documentation?
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: That's not the way to learn Emacs, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: same way as ocean imprisons shipwrecked sailor clinging to a plank.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: from the very beginning c had ~nonexistent insulation from certain machine-specific behaviours. e.g. integer overflow.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: They were what I deem ``intelligent idiots'', gregorynyssa. They may have been physicists, but that doesn't mean they'd any place designing a computer system.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: This isn't POSIX, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: indeed. one of the main reasons i picked up ada is the strict minimum of 'impl.-defined' crapola and the existence of a ~paper~ standard.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: POSIX idiots are infuriating, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there is a concept of 'downward pressure' that slows down and mostly prevents breakage at low level by wreckers.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: observe that linux syscalls actually return eggog codes directly, when req'd.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: libc is retarded, primarily because requires the 20GB of ????? liquishit to even bootstrap. even the ultracompact musl.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: how do you suppose statically-linked proggies (e.g. trb, or ave1's gnat) work ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the idea is to not only throw out gcc, but to eventually replant on naked iron relatively painlessly.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: imho 'M' is a fairly complete guide not only to mips arch (as was intended) but to asm-on-amd64 in totality.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: write the reader in the lisp per se. in asm, implement only 'secd-like' item; the init. lisp world write using asm macros. then, when have working world, rewrite inside the lisp.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: mno. on linux, mmap/remap, and whatever allocator + gc write in the lisp per se.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: plz elaborate re 'idiomatic cisc' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: these are a dime a dozen. and not very interesting to me, on acct of what it takes to bootstrap that with which you can then build 'few hundred lines of c'.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-07 11:33:57 trinque: gregorynyssa: busybox also has a tiny wget, might be worthwhile to take a look and see how bad it is
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: busybox also has a tiny wget, might be worthwhile to take a look and see how bad it is
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: I'd be very happy to use an in-wot, significantly decrufted curl.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: this is leaving aside the 64e3 $ question, of why the everliving fuck does a z80 ~need~ an 'os'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'Built from a POSIX environment with minimal tooling: only cc, make and ncurses are needed.' << lol, 'minimal'
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-27 05:38:54 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-24#1017075 << this reminds me of chapter 7 of UNIX-HATERS Handbook: "Why would you ever need to point to something that you've drawn in 3D?"
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-26 04:55:30 gregorynyssa: what is stopping us from writing our own implementation of Ada, if I might ask?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-26 04:45:02 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-25#1017215 << the difficulty of setting up static linking (and cross-compilation) is a deliberate conspiracy by GNU. related to this earlier remark.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-25 12:07:37 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: ... or, read just about any ball of py liquishit on shithub. all the thoroughly redundant oop you could ever want, in there .
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-25 12:05:00 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: very good point re oopism. and arguably descended, at least in part, from much older american traditions of 'salvation through method'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: ... or, read just about any ball of py liquishit on shithub. all the thoroughly redundant oop you could ever want, in there .
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: imho it is sadly mistake to suppose that 'oop worship died' -- rather it became a stolid 'state church', in e.g. the uncountable blighted java saltmines , the oopism prayer wheels turn to this day
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: very good point re oopism. and arguably descended, at least in part, from much older american traditions of 'salvation through method'
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 12:31:14 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: outta curiosity -- didja ever actually program in that horror, or simply find appealing in theory ?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 13:10:45 adlai: gregorynyssa: re:unorthogonality, C++ is also unorthogonal to the point of eating its own spine, yet somehow one or two blubhubs still seem to hire C++ programmers
(asciilifeform) adlai: gregorynyssa: re:unorthogonality, C++ is also unorthogonal to the point of eating its own spine, yet somehow one or two blubhubs still seem to hire C++ programmers
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: outta curiosity -- didja ever actually program in that horror, or simply find appealing in theory ?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 10:59:36 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016727 << before 8.5, everything was either: a string, a (nestable) list of strings, or a hashmap. lists of strings were encoded as strings (like JSON but simpler; the AST of every program itself was represented this way). a hashmap was a (one level) mapping from string to string. file-handles and sockets were represented as strings (such as "file1," "file2," ...) which were understood
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 10:44:13 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016726 << the "uplevel" primitive is a general way of allowing functions to choose whether they are pass-by-value or pass-by-reference. it enables other tricks as well, including, I believe, Scheme-like continuations.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 09:36:47 gregorynyssa: for instance, Tcl follows Smalltalk in not having control-structures. conditions and loops are just function-calls with delayed evaluation. that makes the semantics more concise.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 09:24:20 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016709 << because Common Lisp is "bloated and unorthogonal" while Scheme is "minimal to the point of uselessness."
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 08:41:53 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-18#1016686 << no truly exemplary platform exists, but pre-Unicode Tcl comes closest, I would say. have you tried that yet? the next closest competitors would be Forth and Smalltalk. all three of these languages are "not quite LISPs."
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: correct. and similar problem w/ post-2013 amd products (tho must note, the net mass of vendor liquishit they require to boot, is substantially smaller vs intel's)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: lol, what 'better documentation' ?! i have a shelf-sized full set o'docs for opteron + their gpu. where do i get intel's ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the js highlighter is simply blunt text offset pair.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: unfortunately the resemblance is skin deep -- in nelson's scheme, transcluded object ~knows~ that it was transcluded, and, conversely, the transclusions ~know~ when it has moved
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: re tesio -- he aint wrong re wwwism, but i can't help but fall down & laff at fact that he hosts this essay on 'medium', where serves up MBs of liquishit, incl. js
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: plz put link 1st, then text if you want it to work in logger
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: the marketing people latch onto any meme they can; this one's distinct in no way.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the only difference b/w the 2 is protocol# field..
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-07 16:30:03 gregorynyssa: very interested in 9th and 11th editions of Britannica.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: best i can tell, public idiots have a kind of 'ostrich' psychology, persuade selves that logging somehow 'isn't happening' if not public/searchable
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: esp. given that fleanode/usg logs universally.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I am very excited to see how this turns out.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: search #t logs for clim
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: believe or not, i only use emacs to edit text (proggies & human txt), i dun abuse it as wwwtron, or irc client etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: problem was that asciilifeform dun have 20y to devote to writing a font renderer.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-03 14:20:01 gregorynyssa: excellent observation at the beginning as well: support for rich text in 2020 is also alarmingly bad.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: As with other languages doing this, there's a subset of Chinese Hanzi used solely for their sounds, perhaps akin to the Japanese katakana, by my understanding, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I'm glad that article of mine was enjoyed, gregorynyssa; I'm in the process of rewriting all of my older articles, and that one could be improved.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-02 20:27:24 gregorynyssa: few programmers have had the courage to call out "never roll your own crypto" as propaganda.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-02#1015656 I agree, gregorynyssa. I claim that, after OpenSSL, it should be obvious to all that only fools make this suggestion, and that those who supposedly should clearly aren't qualified; it creates a perverse selection, where the least qualified do the work.
(asciilifeform) ben_vulpes: merci, monsieur gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the morons suffer from very different problem than 'no actual crypto avail.' consider, even ye olde gpg is galaxies ahead of the nonsense they were using (and PAYING! for.) but for'em may as well not existed.
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: !!rate gregorynyssa 1 reader & #a denizen.
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'pgpdump' is a useful util, btw, if yer not familiar
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: GregoryNyssa: you may have misconception re trb tho. i certainly did not write it from 0 (ugh, ever seen the thing..?) , it was taken at 1st from ancient bitcoin (0.5.3) and then cut ( by asciilifeform & several other folx , see e.g. this chronology )
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-28 20:13:53 GregoryNyssa: did you read Bitcoin's C++ codebase and work backwards?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: GregoryNyssa: link plz ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: GregoryNyssa: i have no idea, fella never yet linked to his item.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: welcome to #a, GregoryNyssa
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