billymg: punkman: hey, that's pretty cool
billymg: anyway, will fix it soon so it works on any screen
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051923 << just realized you were referring to your ipad's resolution here. those are the physical pixels, true, but the browser viewport converts that 1536x2048 to 768x1024 (since it's a "retina" screen). so to the CSS it's 768x1024
billymg: not exactly scientific grade experiment (it doesn't go back and retest once it finds a combination that works) but does give some indication of which magic bits PRB responds to
billymg: asciilifeform: some data re: prb nodes returning peers: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=H9rM
billymg: if anyone else is seeing/not seeing horizontal scroll bars when using a non-mobile browser please let me know (horizontal scroll bars should not be present)
billymg: asciilifeform: i can't reproduce the horizontal scroll bar thing but possibly it will go away when i start making the site responsive
billymg: yeah, that should be enough
billymg: asciilifeform: it makes sense for the ipad (and phones) since they're less than 1200px in width (which i do mean to fix soon). but shouldn't happen on reasonable desktop/laptop, so long as window is at least 1200px wide
billymg: hmmmm
billymg: asciilifeform: chromium?
billymg: asciilifeform: you're seeing the horizontal scroll bar on all pages or only some? 2160px wide should be more than enough, the site's width is set at 1200px but it could be some other bug with the layout/css
billymg bbl dinner
billymg: ah, no, i've just replaced what i previously had on the homepage with that list
billymg: which link?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051875 << the 36 number is any TRB node the crawler has encountered since it started running on my server. the homepage has a now, perhaps more useful, trb nodes active in last 48hrs http://bitdash.io/
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051871 << awesome! ty, i appreciate the loper-os shoutout
billymg: or anything else for that matter
billymg: asciilifeform: let me know what you think about how i handled importing watchglass
billymg: asciilifeform: ty
billymg: asciilifeform: neato, the catalog link is helpful imo
billymg: i don't even see it among the many sidebar links currently
billymg: imo original post should be converted to a "Page", linked to from header ideally, and updated as the details change
billymg: which is why i suggested putting in an href
billymg: asciilifeform: exactly lol, a button for "browser back" is beyond useless
billymg: this one imo is most useful, as it contains all the hardware specs http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3557
billymg: asciilifeform: your "back to article" link is just a javascript back button so it doesn't work if i start by navigating directly to the calculator. it would be handy to have a normal href link back to the article
billymg: whaack: awesome, def looking forward to trying it out
billymg: punkman: so i see they've now 100% abandoned their "code is law" larping from 2017
billymg: the machine crying out in that example being the person with the current applied to his testicles?
billymg: i'll check it out, thanks
billymg: nietzsche's*
billymg: signpost: i'm intrigued and would interested to hear more re: nietzche's mental breakdown and how it relates to meaning in the collapsing west
billymg: it seems like a missed opportunity. i keep waiting for someone like BAP or Vox to come out and say "i've seen the light, we need to get fucking organized with the tools we use to communicate"
billymg: speaking of the cowards at the top, it amazes me that in right wing circles online the discussion of what to do about them only ever revolves around "muh guns" and never around my computer and os
billymg: i'm sure without the media constantly fanning the hysteria (on both sides) the reaction from ordinary people would be much more muted and civil
billymg: i don't have the log line handy but asciilifeform hinted at something similar. with the reaction to covid being more a means to sow division while they run off with anything not bolted down
billymg: signpost: i can definitely see it
billymg: no, what's that?
billymg: was* in
billymg: signpost: yes, i'm sure that helps as well, but only moved here in march 2020. half of 2019 was in the petri dish of nyc and until moving here as in austin tx
billymg: punkman: yeah, was following along. i often tell people i think covid is just the annual flu with a new branding department
billymg: err, no, perhaps winter 2017
billymg: iirc my last annual flu shot was winter 2018
billymg knocks on wood
billymg: not that anyone's keeping score but billymg has not had so much as a cough since the beginning of 2019 after significantly reducing sugar/carbs from diet. prior to that would get sick with flu/cold once or twice a year
billymg: yeah
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050717 << yeah so what exactly is the big deal again?
billymg: do we assume the other 89% is attributed to suicide, drug overdoses, etc. stemming from lockdown depression?
billymg: so even by the CDC's own admission covid only accounts for 11% of the delta between 2019 and 2020 (if i'm interpreting that correctly)
billymg: "From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population. COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000). "
billymg: signpost: bodes well for the genes that got passed down to you in any case
billymg: at this point i trust my immune system, but of course i don't know for sure, we'll see
billymg: i know it's a gamble not taking the vaccine, but i'm making up for it by exercising more and getting lots of sunlight
billymg: signpost: yes, aware
billymg: but as it stands currently, i personally don't know where to get good faith, accurate information (and if anyone said he knew where to find, would not believe). and i sure as hell don't trust the current set of elites with anything, mainly because of their horrible track record
billymg: elites*
billymg: regarding the discussion in general, i would love it if i could just trust what is being printed, and i would also love it if i felt the current crop of elite's gave a shit about their own people. if so, i would gladly follow orders and not even ask too many questions (i have nothing against hierarchy, or following orders)
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050632 << where were you able to find this number (for 2020)? i've been looking for it myself but the CDC's reporting tool only goes to 2019
billymg: so i was merely pointing out that if that were truly the concern there would be other ways to eliminate it
billymg: but i thought you were attempting to make a rational point about how, personal preference aside, one's decision may affect others financially (when they choose to not get vaxxed, catch covid, and cause insurance premiums to go up)
billymg: after all, being a racist is not a protected class
billymg: mats: well yes, and they can fire you for having voted for trump, or for not having posted a black square on your instagram profile in the days following st. floyd's death
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-07#1050597 << if it's politically tenable to force the firefighters to take the vaccine then surely it would also be politically tenable to force the unvaccinated firefighters to sign a form waiving their right to insurance coverage in the case of a covid infection
billymg: thestringpuller: the infrastructure bill will require a TRB V patch that implements KYC/AML data collection upon initial startup of your node (to be stored with ClearPassID™). if you don't comply apple will "find" illegal photos on your phone and an Amazon Community Safety™ drone (with taser attachment) will be sent to your location
billymg: asciilifeform: took you a bit longer to get that error than it took me
billymg has to run some errands, bbl
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049869 << i've never had to do this when coming through customs, but last time i did so was march 2020
billymg: but then again, would not call year long tour of europe, all displayed on public www, keeping a low profile
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049856 << i was also always curious why MP was never nabbed or hit with missile from a drone. this was one of my theories as well, along the lines of "just don't draw too much attention"
billymg: needs to be the html kind, e.g. ]
billymg: thimbronion: haha yeah, not that kind of escaping
billymg: thimbronion: i'm also using this extra bit of css to widen the code blocks, which i think improves legibility quite a bit, e.g. here
billymg: but otherwise i copy/pasted what thimbronion has in his post and diffed it against the genesis he added and there was only one line that got munged L318
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-30#1049465 << regarding the wp code viewer, users unfortunately must manually escape html characters (see this footnote containing a sed script which handles all the offending characters)
billymg: looking forward to reading / trying it out
billymg: whaack: ah, neato. a python library for interacting with your api would certainly be useful
billymg: csv, json, whatever is easiest / makes the most sense on your end
billymg: whaack: is there a way to get a machine readable version of the results? (whether tab, space, semicolon, however delimited)?
billymg: http://explorer.ztkfg.com/?args=view-txn+b067c8044d341d9010bec7f7b0c764aae268f1716acfc4beaf0579a9845640b3
billymg: whaack: nice!
billymg: it was, however, annoying enough that i turned off that network in my znc config
billymg: i started getting this error from freenode sometime this morning as well, although it didn't seem to kick me from the network
billymg: i wanted that nick on freenode but it was already taken
billymg: neat
billymg: !. uptime
billymg: excellent, gonna just restart it to change its command trigger
billymg: test
billymg: ok, will give it a shot and let you know if i run into anything
billymg: asciilifeform: do you mind if i have my bot idle in here so that i can keep the logs on my www in sync?
billymg: asciilifeform: i finally got around to manually importing the logs for this channel starting from the split: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-06-15#1039188
billymg: PeterL: http://billymg.com/feed/ please
billymg: nice
billymg: whaack: set target python version to 2.7 in /etc/portage/make.conf and emerge mod_wsgi again, i ran into the same issue
billymg: whaack: ah, yeah, check the readme in the logotron tree. there's a cut/paste example vhost config in there
billymg: whaack: there were a few hiccups when i was configuring my wsgi app for the first time. what are you running into?
billymg: perhaps i should expose more user agent filtering options on the nodes page
billymg: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=RZb5 << filtered by last active in last 48hrs
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-26#1048633 << btcd still alive http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Z0D9
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-25#1048568 << whaack, lemme know if you need a raw dump of known nodes by any criteria
billymg: asciilifeform: why not simply 'import wedger' at top of watchglass then?
billymg: asciilifeform: aha, yes, basically this. ty
billymg: my crawler uses watchglass via an 'import watchglass' statement at the top of the file, but i'm only using a couple methods out of it
billymg: asciilifeform: i have not yet made the effort to extract the btc protocol portion of watchglass yet (i.e. separate the irc bot component), but it sounds like this other use case of yours could also benefit from that?
billymg: deedbot was a fantastic gox, i still miss it
billymg: thimbronion: yeah, i also like it as a potential route to achieving the kind of transaction scale that makes "compliance" difficult if not impossible to enforce (but perhaps this is naive, enforcement is always selective in any case, and usg can let the orcs buy bananas with it while coming down hard on the holders wanting to escape their cubicle life)
billymg: and as long as it's only for petty cash amounts the complicated aspect shouldn't matter
billymg: thimbronion: the fact that it works without any "federation members" seems interesting
billymg: thimbronion: did you look into lightning as well and choose to try liquid first?
billymg: raw_avocado: just use their name, anywhere in the message. like this, raw_avocado
billymg: although not sure if they still do this, only heard it was like that
billymg: (exchange where no paperwork if coin only)
billymg: thimbronion: was referring to e.g. binance
billymg: their*
billymg: asciilifeform: but even so, your IP is connecting to there servers to "log in", etc.
billymg: strictly for small day-to-day transactions
billymg: asciilifeform: my interest in this is whether or not it can be done without all the paperwork that ordinary goxes entail
billymg: yeah, that part doesn't bother me, as it would only ever be used for small amounts (if you're not an idiot)
billymg: maybe one or two others
billymg: with exception of iran and best korea
billymg: thimbronion: like asciilifeform said, pretty much every country in on it https://www.fatf-gafi.org/countries/
billymg: and so you don't really enjoy any privacy
billymg: but it sounds like with liquid at least the federation members must be just as "compliant" as any other bank or gox
billymg: i.e. "live off coin"
billymg: thimbronion: to me these are (potentially) interesting for the "gas and groceries" use case
billymg: search around his www and should find a link to the product description page including specs (unless asciilifeform wants to link directly to it)
billymg: fuckgoats, asciilifeform's TRNG product
billymg: raw_avocado: should be easy then, just make sure you include the fg baud rate as the password in the "Server Password" field
billymg: raw_avocado: i happen to be using limechat as well, are you trying to connect directly to dulapnet or via ZNC?
billymg: and lightening seems to be fully p2p, but relies on multisig addresses
billymg: thimbronion: how was it?
billymg: asciilifeform: it's what all of the prb crowd is promoting now for the "buying coffees with your phone" use case
billymg: here is pr explainer: https://blog.liquid.net/six-differences-between-liquid-and-lightning/
billymg: yep
billymg: only temporary 'burn', can be converted back to btc proper
billymg: but supposedly in a decentralized manner (as opposed to send to gox, send around to other gox friends)
billymg: asciilifeform: various schemes of "lock bitcoin" to exchange 1:1 for another token that can be moved around more quickly
billymg: has anyone here used one of the "layer 2" setups? either lightning or liquid?
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, makes sense
billymg: signpost: would be funny to create an issue on their github about this and see where it goes
billymg: now permaspam
billymg: then shifted to spam on / spam off waves
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i swear when i was running my crawler previously, a month or so ago, trb nodes always returned reasonable number of nodes (double or low triple digit counts)
billymg: punkman: fake as in not even the heathen crawlers count them as real or ever having existed
billymg: but i guess there are a few messages that would indicate human
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Aoglafbot&chan=all << looked botlike at first
billymg: it looked like a bot
billymg: lol
billymg: no guarantees that they're all there though
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1047118 << in working on mine at one point went through historical logs and made fairly comprehensive list of bots: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=0zgO
billymg: whaack: exactly, they don't hold inventory
billymg: exactly like shitcoins, all about creating a meme brand (wither food, gadget, or lotto ticket coin)
billymg: asciilifeform: every zoomer now doing "drop ship" business too. where buy plastic gadget from alibaba, then markup 20x and sell on instagram under trendy label
billymg: this one might be a tweak on that idea, where existing established restaurants can launch "logo restaurants" on uber eats using their own kitchen
billymg: essentially rent time/space in commercial kitchen, put logo on an uber eats listing, now you're a restaurant
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1046984 << i believe they're called "cloud kitchens" and they've been the hot new startupism trend for the past few years with the rise of delivery apps
billymg would swallow pride and work for SV company again just to get the opportunity to buy cheap coins again
billymg: asciilifeform: i guess even so, if exchange rate tanks, and 21M limit stays intact, and printolade continues to be printed (because of course it will be), then number eventually goes up again
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046643 << ok, just to work out the details of this scenario. if this happened, in a hypothetical segwitocalypse fork, there would still be a 21M cap on freedom bitcoin, no? and freedom bitcoin holders wouldn't necessarily be any poorer right out of the gate either, as they have coins on both chains now...
billymg: heh
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046513 << i don't see how anyone could argue, but without first fixing the critical bug it won't last long, regardless of planet or galaxy or whatever
billymg: i interpreted your point as: first amass army and culture (however many centuries that takes), then strike
billymg: i meant suicide for bitcoin, the economic phenomenon (if segwit piggy broken)
billymg: signpost: as in, at the moment would be no more than suicide mission?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046486 << in theory might be the coin preferred by >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046477
billymg: signpost: true, social and capital levels are the foundation, not the tech
billymg: i mean, it might trigger some people to fork in order to reverse the transactions (i'm sure it would)
billymg: punkman: you may be right that this is how it would be perceived at a social level (i.e. buterin eth is ETH while real ETH is ETC), but on a technical level spending the anyone can spend coins is not something that would cause a fork, no?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046459 << would you see the result of this being a freedom btc trading in the triple digits? because while it would sting, might not be the end of the world
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046469 << good point, a large percentage of holders can't even be bothered to take their coins off coinbase
billymg: why would any country want the presence of an anyone-can-spend loophole unless they're the only nation that can exploit it
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046423 << also, if this is true (i hope it is) then the coin that wins is the one that *isn't* susceptible to political pressure
billymg: unless they add in some "authorized miners only" in which case even the mouthbreathing users will realize that segwit coin is centralized coin
billymg: however many times they fork to refill 'em
billymg: mats: how? if they keep running segwit coin then the miners can keep draining their addresses
billymg: honestly i'd rather "kill bitcoin" if it means forking into a real bitcoin and a UN bitcoin
billymg: in which case bitcoin is already subverted
billymg: mats: in that case i guess we're all just waiting around for an "authorized" use of anyone-can-spend. i.e. "ransomware hacker" parks coins in a segwit address, UN orders miners to move them over to a UN address, the prb community cheers because it's authorized, and for "justice"
billymg: whereas not enforcing the 21M limit would immediately result in a hard fork
billymg: punkman: my understanding is that because segwit was implemented via "soft fork" defecting and refusing to enforce it would not result in a hard fork of the network (new coin). though i don't doubt that the "community" would at least attempt to fork to restore the coins, but they'd be the ones forking then, not the defecting miners
billymg had also planned to return to tuning the actual crawler/probe code after first getting the results visible on the www
billymg: notice all the previous probes returning only 1 peer
billymg: asciilifeform: adjusting the peershots knob from 3 to 5 seems to have helped for certain prb nodes: http://bitdash.io/nodes/5.103.137.146-9333
billymg: i was planning on coming up with some other mapping for those statuses anyway but for now i just output what watchglass returned
billymg: asciilifeform: ok, will adjust
billymg: err, hrm, i mean like this http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=khse (forgot the last line)
billymg: ok, well fixed that little bug, my version of that piece of watchglass now looks like this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=q9KZ
billymg: see a*
billymg: looking at it closer i may see pretty careless mistake on my part though, i'm not de-duping this peers list as i build it
billymg: signpost: in asciilifeform's original it was used to retry the getaddr N times in case of failure (and break out when it succeeds). i modified it to just retry again regardless of success/failure because i noticed i was getting more peers that way (probably due to the magic numbers you pointed out above)
billymg: ty signpost
billymg: 163 now
billymg: looks like in fact it did do something, 106 of the 8001 nodes now
billymg: just restarted the crawler with peershots=5, it finishes scanning all nodes in the network in about 20 minutes
billymg: ah, i see. i wonder if bumping up the 'peershots' value in watchglass would net more peers (currently i have it set to 3)
billymg: signpost: aha
billymg: signpost: interesting, the crawler results do seem to show that it's capped somewhere at about 2000 (i've never seen higher than 2001)
billymg: signpost: that's definitely possible too, or that there is some other unknown secret handshake for prb that we haven't figured out yet
billymg: whaack: i believe short for bloom filters? i forget what prb feature it is
billymg: signpost: i was also going to create a "TRB dominance" metric, that only counts from those (currently) 55 real nodes -- showing that TRB is already like a third of the real network
billymg: signpost: yeah, that's what i was hoping would be the "smoking gun" to wake up the prb users
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-17#1046284 << this seems like not a bad approach
billymg: whaack: i'm trying to find asciilifeform's log line now where he suggests posting a realtime updated "bounty" somewhere to miners who are willing to defect, but that would be my end goal with this information
billymg: signpost: thanks! hopefully it ends up being useful, lemme know if you find bugs / have suggestions for it
billymg: whaack: have you totaled up the balance sitting in all segwit addresses yet?
billymg: whaack: thanks, and yes, now there's a scoreboard
billymg: ^ same
billymg has never watched fox news
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045889 << did i read this right? is this in reference to the mostly peaceful protests last summer or...?
billymg: and not in good faith either
billymg: opportunists'*
billymg: i think the opportunists reaction to it was deliberate
billymg: mats: i don't think covid was deliberate
billymg: 'terrorism' and 'pandemic'
billymg: mats: i fail to see the difference between the two boogeymen
billymg: mats: i'm curious, in 2001 did you also believe 'patriot act' was for your protection?
billymg: gotcha
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045842 << as in, too early to tell if might start having 'long covid' symptoms?
billymg: iirc thimbronion had it too (regular covid), said it was quite bad for a week or two, like bad flu
billymg: mats: i admit i'm not super familiar with 'long covid'
billymg: what did those olds ever do for me?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045829 << right, so why get it if young and healthy?
billymg: asciilifeform: 'mega delta plus variant'
billymg: i still don't understand the aggressive push for it, with "vaccine passports" and movement restrictions and the like
billymg: asciilifeform: if you had actual covid, why the vaccine?
billymg: but i also don't see why i need it when 0.0001% chance of death or whatever for my age/health profile
billymg: mats: yeah, i don't think it's fake (as in saline solution)
billymg: i'm not sure if the vaccine is fake or not but i certainly don't trust them enough to let them stick me with any needles
billymg: asciilifeform: several euro countries now implementing movement restrictions based on vaccination status
billymg: mats: are they suggesting they'll just send spam or that if you send something they don't like the recipient will just see "[message redacted. click here to get the facts on the covid vaccine]"?
billymg: (or something that prb later removed by hand)
billymg: this must've been something that you or someone added by hand then, no? since the prb nodes don't seem to do the same
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044719 << by this were you referring to the fact that trb eventually clears out the spam peers?
billymg: strictly to uncover irregularities
billymg: the prb crawler has an api, maybe later at some point i could add in some automated cross referencing
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i accounted for that one
billymg: ... i guess i could lookup some of the IPs in a heathen explorer to test that
billymg: asciilifeform: any possibility that they're not bogus but that watchglass's protocol spec is missing some magic prb flag somewhere?
billymg: asciilifeform: i'm working now on putting up something at http://bitdash.io/nodes/ so can, for example, view only trb nodes, etc.
billymg: asciilifeform: i don't believe i ever restricted it to 2000, unless postgres caps text[] column types by default for some reason
billymg: punkman: looks like they're at a cat 4
billymg: asciilifeform: thanks for the extra clarification
billymg did some mma for a while and after taking some bad hits a few times thought wtf am i doing this for