punkman: https://kleros.io/ "Justice as a Service
punkman: " heh
punkman: "winner of the Blockchains for Social Good Prize from the European Union's Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme"
punkman: "our court system is so clogged, we really don't want to hear about your token problems. here's some money, go away"
punkman: https://scarce.city/auctions/Casascius-2013-Brass-0.5 << 0.3btc premium for 0.5btc coin. not bad.
punkman: trying to read about ETH is infuriating, so many fucking names and platforms and protocols and they all do the same thing
punkman: "By burning the base fee, we can no longer guarantee a fixed token supply. This could result in economic instability as the long term supply of ETH will no longer be constant over time. While a valid concern, it is difficult to quantify how much of an impact this will have. If more is burned on base fee than is generated in mining rewards then ETH
punkman: will be deflationary and if more is generated in mining rewards than is burned then ETH will be inflationary. Since we cannot control user demand for block space, we cannot assert at the moment whether ETH will end up inflationary or deflationary, so this change causes the core developers to lose some control over Ethereum’s long term monetary
punkman: https://samczsun.com/escaping-the-dark-forest/ "Attempt to exploit the issue ourselves. ... risky because the possibility of our transactions getting frontrun was very real."
punkman: "After participating in the recovery attempt from Ethereum is a Dark Forest, which ultimately lost to front-runners, I was hungry for a re-match." "For the past few months, I had been trying to establish contacts with miners for this very purpose: white-hat transaction cooperation. If ever there was a time to appeal to a miner to include a
punkman: transaction without giving front-runners the chance to steal it, it was now."
asciilifeform: punkman: possibly you now see what asciilifeform was talking about earlier . there's an entire steaming sewer of these horrors.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-19 11:25:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1046850 << imho cumulative history of bitcoinism is an excellent illustration of the 'why'. ~100% of the technical acumen has gone into finding ever new ways to defraud people, rather than solving the problems which factually exist from pov of honest user
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1047165 << it only sorta worx, lol. ~randomly loses contents, this is an ancient plague.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-19 18:05:40 whaack: ...trb's memory pool works?
punkman: asciilifeform: I don't think any of these people would be solving "factual problems", sort of like the "piracy problem", random indian wouldn't be buying "Spiderman_17.mp4" if he couldn't torrent it.
asciilifeform: punkman: these -- possibly not. but i dun expect that ~erryone~ embroiled in e.g. ethertardium, is 'a this' ?
punkman: and if Poettering wasn't doing systemd, he would be doing some other unspeakable horror, not any kind of "sane linux"
asciilifeform: punkman: rright but his presence prevents work on sane linux by 'over 9000' folx.
punkman: or his presence actually pushed several people closer to "sane linux"
asciilifeform: the 'without evil, no heroes' pov ? it's appealing, but 'glass seller's fallacy', y'know, the one where 'vandals power the economy by breaking windos'
punkman: in other top keks: "RTX 3060 software drivers are designed to detect specific attributes of the Ethereum cryptocurrency mining algorithm, and limit the hash rate, or cryptocurrency mining efficiency, by around 50 percent."
asciilifeform: punkman: iirc already cracked
asciilifeform: punkman: cracked less than month later
punkman: oh they accidentally leaked it themselves eh
asciilifeform: why they'd boobytrap their product to begin with, remains a mystery to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: why would nvidia care for what the irons are used. maybe i bought to hammer nails with. what biz is it of the vendor's?
punkman: so the miners don't buy up all the supply!
punkman: Buterin solving that problem anyway
asciilifeform: punkman: why would nvidia care who buys up the supply?
punkman: because they need videogame players to be using their shit
asciilifeform: i guess
asciilifeform: punkman: and yea apparently the ethertards moving to permissioned mining.
punkman: in which mining, downtime is reason to lose up to 100% of your "stake"
asciilifeform: punkman: buterin is fixing the 'bug' where non-usg-affiliated parties can mine his shitcoin
asciilifeform: that's the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of errything these people do.
asciilifeform: (e.g. the 'bigblox' pushers in prb sphere)
asciilifeform: y'know, why should! anyone without a oc-192 and petabyte of ssd be able to mine! right?
thestringpuller: mEth heads I think aren't addicted to mEth but chumpatrons of which mEth is a chumpatron generator
whaack_temp: good morning
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see also older thrd re 'elements' of such 'engineering'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-11-13 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
asciilifeform: heya whaack
whaack: asciilifeform: so the mempool is another Nth mystery of trb, eh?
asciilifeform: whaack: the challenge is to find 1 part that worx 100%, lol.. they're all like this
whaack: from what i saw yesterday it apparently clears out transactions that *YOU* created
asciilifeform: aha. just like it disconnects nodes that you personally operate -- 'they're just nodes' -- etc
asciilifeform: whaack: this kind of thing is why asciilifeform never participated in the idiotic 'satoshi worship' so commonplace in the sphere.
asciilifeform: whoever was 'satoshi', was typical mswin 'indian coder', and it shows in erry line
asciilifeform: and the product is perhaps the ultimate example of 'worse is better'(tm)(r)(c)
whaack: yeah i have known this was the case from cursory reading of the code and from readng the logs b
whaack: ...but i hit my first personal speedbump with the "txn must have at least 100 bytes" magical number with no clear error code
asciilifeform: whaack: asciilifeform has been sawing on the thing since '14, and erry step of the way was like this.
whaack: thimbronion: have you ever tried to check if the prb node actually contains the history of signatures?
thimbronion: whaack: no I haven't.
whaack: i guess from the trb purest POV it doesn't really matter either way
whaack: they've opted to not protect their transactions with signatures and that's on them, if the signature is not inputed as part of the block hash than it does not exist
whaack: then* it does not
whaack: but i guess in retrospect satoshi should not have allowed the anyonecanspend option and should have instead designed bitcoin to prevent itself from being 'upgradeable' as much as possible
asciilifeform: whaack: by all indications, there was little to no 'design' involved, d00d 'floated like a shit in an icehole' in erry which direction
thimbronion: iirc satoshi was also a big blocker.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: what suggested this ?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: perhaps a forum post in which he speculated that the block size could be raised as needed. No ref. handy.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: all i was able to find re subj. (does anyone, incidentally, have a non-spamwww copy of that archive?)
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating self : asciilifeform ftr could not care less what shitoshi wanted, thought he wanted, etc. he is no authority to asciilifeform whatsoever.
asciilifeform: (imho it isn't an entirely uninteresting q, from strictly historical pov, 'what did shitoshi want'. but if i never hear another 'argumentum ad shitoshi' again, it won't be soon enuff.)
whaack: ^ word.
thestringpuller: punkman: read that thread on chainlink - i wonder if you simplified the game theory to simply monetizing the publishing of various WoTs;
punkman: thestringpuller: wut
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: dafuq ?
thestringpuller: punkman: the good part of chainlink is oracles publish data and reputation of the orcales is published, the bad part is that data can be bad and in practice it's been shown publishing bad data doesn't affect the bottom line of the oracles
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how about 'the bad part is that it's a scam made out of scamatronium by known scammers and you'll get stupider just by looking at the docs' ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: these are docs not hard drugs
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: these behave surprisingly similarly.
asciilifeform: folx who habitually read ethertardisms, get stupider.
asciilifeform: 'be smart, don't start'(tm)(r)
thestringpuller: i don't think i'll become ozzy osbourne just glancing over the whitepapers of various chumpatrons
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you understand, 'you are what you eat', neh ?
signpost: this attitude is why tmsr produced no businesses of note.
asciilifeform: if you habitually take in subtly-broken syllogisms , then come to assume that when it throws exception in your head, it's 'my own fault' -- what do you think happens ?
signpost: and why others will own the future instead.
signpost: that some derp is occupying some territory does not say anything about the "badness" of the territory.
signpost: or we'd not care to have sane computers because once Gates' and Jobs' asses sat there.
asciilifeform: signpost: i'd prefer to agree with you, simply on available inputs thus far -- cannot
asciilifeform: seems like certain territories -- irradiated.
signpost: certainly "the X of Y" coins are fucking retarded, no argument.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why mentally ill people shouldn't consume twitter, but I don't see why rational person would be driven insane from inspecting the parts and blueprints of the chumpatron.
asciilifeform: signpost: i'm a++ in favour of actual-biznis, however oddball; simply, not on permissioned-usgcoin.
signpost: just let it not prevent the proper kind of speculation (i.e. the intellectual)
signpost: 100% agree
signpost: e.g. filecoin existing should not prevent someone from creating btc-tarsnap
asciilifeform: sure. would like to remind folx to actually think, rather than buy a shitcoin pusher's claims as if they were logical postulated.
signpost: also great fucking scott my trb is at top of chain.
asciilifeform: 'intellectual' to asciilifeform means that you ~gotta~ exclude postulates of the form 'find a 2 that's also a 3..'
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
thestringpuller: the failings of most shitcoin is 99% - scam other 1% over complicating something that could be done more simply
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.022s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.096s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.152s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=691887 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.222s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.262s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.146s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (static.18.104.22.168.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.578s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.463s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 (Operator: asciilifeform)
asciilifeform: oh hm signpost yours aint in there atm is it
signpost: no, and I got excited prematurely; I'm ~100 behind.
signpost: maybe see top-o-chain today or tomorrow
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: ftr both of asciilifeform's noades are on boxes the size of a fist, circa '12
signpost suspects the problem isn't the ryzen beast with ssd
asciilifeform: connectivity seems to be the only certain necessity. given as once noad falls behind, will normally stay behind.
punkman: https://github.com/Defi-Cartel/salmonella "Friday, bot trader and LocalCoin Swap CTO Nathan Worsley released two token contracts named “Salmonella” and “Listeria” on the Ethereum blockchain with the intention of luring unsuspecting bot traders into an ambush. Mining pool Ethermine – which only publicly announced its MEV strategy last
punkman: Wednesday – became entangled in the token trap, netting Worsley a quarter-million dollars after a few hours’ work."
thestringpuller: dang that's illegal to do on NYSE and CME
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: indeed only usg.approved Official scammers get to scam on usg.stock.exchanges.
asciilifeform: the etherdards are working on getting there.
asciilifeform: what with permissioned this-and-thats.
signpost: asciilifeform: in watching the logs of my node, it appears that I'm getting flooded with fake peers.
thestringpuller: spoofing other HFT bots is the first idea an intern comes up with at trading firms, to which they are told "lets not all go to jail"
thestringpuller: If it can be done legally in crypto for now...may be an interesting opportunity to experiment with
asciilifeform: signpost: aha, there's a spamola op happening, billymg discovered recently via his noad scanner. doesn't seem to affect block propagation, tho, perhaps surprisingly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-12 10:46:22 asciilifeform: billymg: indeed mega-spamola. doesn't seem to interfere w/ timely block-eating, interestingly.
punkman: fake peers as in prb nodez?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in usg.trading, aka 'legal' xyz's, erryone is Officially required to fight with one hand tied behind his back. erryone except for Officially unindictable elite, naturally.
punkman: or not even prb nodez
asciilifeform: punkman: fake as in there's suddenly 'over 9000' of'em and they don't emulate even prb convincingly, don't return peers, etc
billymg: punkman: fake as in not even the heathen crawlers count them as real or ever having existed
signpost: tbh separating crawling-for-peers from trb might be worthwhile.
signpost: i.e. factoring that bit out into a separate process, and making trb's interactions with addr.dat read-only.
signpost: the peer-crawler could just do a polite sanity-check on peers, then say goodbye and write to addr.dat
punkman: ethers are wild, "blockchain reorg as a service"
whaack: !e height
whaack: not expecting this to be there but...
whaack: !e view-txn 8a5385db0d79f61964047eb73801fb5d052f2dda6da4213120982c59434080d4
trbexplorer: Transaction not found.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-20#1047316 << imho good idea (recall early attempt by asciilifeform , w/ 'wires')
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-20 12:42:36 signpost: tbh separating crawling-for-peers from trb might be worthwhile.
signpost currently watching thousands of presumably bunk nodes pissed into his trb
signpost: gonna delete addr.dat as an experiment.
thestringpuller: eu commission proposes new law amendments to prohibit anonymous wallets for cryptocurrencies
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: coming next: eu commission prohibits farting w/out license
signpost: sadly that resulted in zero blox falling into supplicating mouth
signpost: moved old addr.dat back and... Loaded 201069 addresses
signpost: bitnodes claims 12567 nodes atm, lol
signpost: clearly the trb node reputation system needs work. this pissing of useless peers should be a ban.
asciilifeform: signpost: formerly these always tripped 'malleus'. nowadays 'improved' evidently.
bonechewer: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-20#1047330 << For anyone who wants to amuse/horrify self with the shenanigans of both regimes and shitcoiners, this pair of Israeli lawyers periodically posts stuff like https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cce049ae-3fc2-4b5b-9a2d-308952360906
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-20 13:31:37 thestringpuller: eu commission proposes new law amendments to prohibit anonymous wallets for cryptocurrencies
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i swear when i was running my crawler previously, a month or so ago, trb nodes always returned reasonable number of nodes (double or low triple digit counts)
billymg: then shifted to spam on / spam off waves
billymg: now permaspam
billymg: signpost: would be funny to create an issue on their github about this and see where it goes
asciilifeform: billymg: in so far as the scale of annoyance of spammers goes, this one's pretty far on the bottom, if it were not for billymg's scanner -- likely asciilifeform would not even know (seems to have 0 measurable effect on performance)
asciilifeform: billymg: possibly if were 1e6 spamola peers -- might notice
asciilifeform: evidently they aint sending much (by volume) liquishit
whaack: !e height
whaack: !e view-txn b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169/
trbexplorer: Invalid hash (odd length.)
whaack: !e view-txn b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169
trbexplorer: TXN OVERVIEW
trbexplorer: txn_hash: b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169
trbexplorer: block_height: 691908
trbexplorer: txn_index: 2
trbexplorer: size: 160
trbexplorer: txn_hash: 32b3553f7f2e8be5e0fff3dd36cf9d5c22681905003ffda5693ed42445198275
trbexplorer: out_index: 51
trbexplorer: value_sats: 62500000
trbexplorer: scriptsig: 21ab901282c2d0c32df796f4a662c05758f2b4f08513b54cedc13b06499b9f8a200022
trbexplorer: address: 8bf0ae0ea034b2c14f83bcd861e8c379e3387d401400
trbexplorer: value_sats: 3855950
trbexplorer: address: da94189e4aa9ca212e2a7a44c2541523ea1abcb3cc805c108ceceff45de974e02000
trbexplorer: value_sats: 58545670
whaack: !e push 010000000169b1477765edbdc0410a1368e3cf5d9aed3392d76e350c41279c4f5f42b08db70100000000ffffffff02e3eeff00000000001976a9146c560e9d65f3daf56e44d7c4c6b6bb39c4c120b188ace3eeff00000000001976a9146c560e9d65f3daf56e44d7c4c6b6bb39c4c120b188ac00000000
trbexplorer: txid d83fc47fb574c2c11f3b115f04f5418a707dd1032fcd1817f529187813885692
whaack has upped the bounty to a quarter of a bitcoin
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, makes sense
signpost: whaack: segwit's pretty buried in the chain atm. have you considered pissing on "taproot" instead?
signpost: iirc it's the same kind of "looks like anyone can spend to classical btc"
vex: that salmonella thing looks delicious, 10% of 0. I fucking love it
vex: respect to whaack, paddling into a bomb with waverunner money
vex: Can't see tx from here, but believe
vex: if shinohai will extract his nose from da pink.. b word need attention