(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, thanks!
(trilema) diana_coman: thanks! :)
(trilema) diana_coman: hopefully won't end up thrown to the lions though :))
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I should be grateful it is done with numbers straight rather than pointers too
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, that was cherry on top
(trilema) diana_coman: social coding thing I suspect
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, design patterns, what, reading books next ? programming, yo!
(trilema) diana_coman: sure, they have classes and classes inheriting classes and so on and so forth, but as to the reasons for inheritance...
(trilema) diana_coman: it really took me months to accept the evidence that "abstract" is something entirely unknown there
(trilema) diana_coman: thanks! got a bit of it out basically; in any case, eulora server is being gradually rebuilt and ps will be entirely discarded
(trilema) diana_coman: selected delights from planeOfshit
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr each and every time I witnessed this sort of flailing it meant without exception that NOTHING was going to be done about it - people needed to let go of steam/put on a show/whatever but basically to avoid doing something about it
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, in total stillness any change is potentially threatening on an existential level, I can see that, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: but that supposes one actually has some businesses going from a to b, some aim as in going exactly to b etc
(trilema) diana_coman: they get...disrupted? from what? by the sound of it, they just get one day of tv out of it; only twice a year, too, how unfair
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, testing is still in the future of eulora mostly ; sadly; and I get what you say there: I wouldn't spend the time now to set the client up if it wasn't already there and ready to be left on its own for days at a time
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, fighting the planeshift jungle mainly; so Foxy gets to roam eulora mostly; did you ever get to set the client up ?
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, it was actually quite decent
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I missed that it seems
(trilema) diana_coman recollects of all a sudden a pocket-book from childhood: "Taiem porcul. Cum il preparam?"
(trilema) diana_coman: as to the trouble there: it's more than a concern - it invalidates your "test"
(trilema) diana_coman: there will be some people who enjoy X for any X really, not sure what does that do
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, and you don't see any problem with that?
(trilema) diana_coman: Reuel, let me see if I get this straight: you want to implement a "small" scale model of democracy in order to test whether it works; at the same time, you propose to implement it on a model of reality that is purposefully broken because..."scope is too small for it to matter"?
(trilema) diana_coman: Reuel, unbalanced means broken; do you mean you want to implement something broken on purpose to then see then that it...breaks?
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw it sounds to me that Reuel precisely wants to implement the planning committee possibly as a fantasy where he thinks he can *make* it work
(trilema) diana_coman: what idea do you say you get? (it seems quite likely you did not get it: scope has nothing to do with it)
(trilema) diana_coman: Reuel, I suggest you read & a play eulora for a while - it will help you with this
(trilema) diana_coman: this is why I said it has nothing to do with outside expectations and what not really
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm very happy to not be "happy" in that way, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect "unhappy lives" was/is quite loose as a term
(trilema) diana_coman: it's not other guy, it's the master; to my mind the master was exactly the chosen god basically
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it sounds to me that their unhappiness comes from their own expectation that they are so very best, not from their master's expectations really; if it were from those, then *all* slavegirls would be just as unhappy
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I don't really think someone can live a very unhappy life due to *others'* expectations; at most due to his/her own
(trilema) diana_coman: how do you decide on "unnecessarily" there?
(trilema) diana_coman: appy gay people.) <- this suggested the difference was not clear to you
(trilema) diana_coman: Framedragger> (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unh
(trilema) diana_coman: and so if that's clear, what is it that you dislike?
(trilema) diana_coman: which are basically models of "feminine" and of "masculine" if you prefer, to make it clear
(trilema) diana_coman: Framedragger, there is sex and there is gender; in other words, an individual woman can be more of a man than a specific, given man and the other way around;
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc there was a clog thing that was just one header - quite basic though and I have no idea in what state it is currently (i.e. whether of any use really)
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it started as a set of holes in punch-cards - not sure what life support is that likely to get to
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, that's actually how we started at uni pretty much
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, I specifically avoided saying "group statements together" because I did not know how much/whether they knew about statements
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I answered what do {} do, not good?
(trilema) diana_coman: and btw there was no c, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: first in 9th grade when first introduced to procedural programming; 2nd and even more clearly a few years later when I got into functional programming - it required a change of thinking simply, it wasn't natural in either case
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ftr I saw and even experienced this sort of trouble but unrelated to C++ as such - related to *programming* in itself really, regardless of language
(trilema) diana_coman: they group together what is contained within
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't think I basically get enough of what it was that was going on there to comment much further
(trilema) diana_coman: for men only?
(trilema) diana_coman: pete_dushenski, aha, social coding at it's best, used to be called a party
(trilema) diana_coman: what is it exactly they discovered the {} do?
(trilema) diana_coman: the way I see it is that they are basically constraints - of all sorts and not necessarily of some overall design/rationality/logical stuff; if you insist for some reason to do something in that environment, then you have to work within those constraints, as nonsensical as they might be
(trilema) diana_coman: lol; but yes, no sense there, not sure anybody claimed sense in C types
(trilema) diana_coman: hm; do you mean they had it all nicely and well done in pseudo-code/whatever logical structure and THEN they just failed miserably to translate that to C code?
(trilema) diana_coman: kind of curious what does pete_dushenski consider as "results" in such a case: number of participants? the "atmosphere"?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, to round off: atm eulora code is basically c99 (even that rather reluctantly when we moved over to 64bit)
(trilema) diana_coman: jurov, make cpp haskell again I gather?
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds good mod6 :)
(trilema) diana_coman: how's that eulora-box coming in 2017 mod6 ? :D
(trilema) diana_coman: got to some snow, sledged downhill, even bruised a knee , got back to peaceful coding now , lol
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, not bad
(trilema) diana_coman: morning mod6
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I can confirm that current code compiles perfectly fine on gcc 4.4 in any case
(trilema) diana_coman: basically crystalspace has its own "boost" implementation yes, leaking as expected and on top of that planeshift uses it all over the place quite without any rhyme or reason, adding further to the swamp;
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, planeshift does that, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: and it manages to have some half million lines of code doing the job of maximum 100k by the looks of it
(trilema) diana_coman: planeshift is an open source mess that was used to jumpstart eulora basically
(trilema) diana_coman: planeshift asciilifeform , a swamp not worth gettting stuck into
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, atm we are still slowly, slowly extricating ourselves from the swamps of ps code
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no
(trilema) diana_coman: ideally it will eschew cpp alltogether but so far not ideal
(trilema) diana_coman: and omfg no boost, no
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, it does, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, selected points, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 068369D894E9FDACDD0ADDE7DA472C3783EE038A7BD7CDE58A28C75E1CCF43E6
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate hanbot 2 sharp writing, helpful euloran
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 8A37F9F52B21B52E4DFB0E53D54B6516A012FE12C4EF112210AC7C33741669EE
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate mod6 3 very helpful and lots of very useful work done
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v E1BB3082160070D38C628A751D19DD83C5D6D1C994AF55BD4E0BF8C1F6B80B95
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate danielpbarron 2 tinkerer of bots, secretive euloran elder
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 4DEC38CA63CDC19839DF0F87A1335BCA41AB5D58CA62F85C50F3899ACF6AFBCA
(trilema) diana_coman: !!unrate vtheimpaler
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 162C02F9A4391A31A310B11C4878EB6AED672679ABABBBCB7096083A7146E0F2
(trilema) diana_coman: !!unrate bitbargain
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 239FBAC33E2DDE0241066C4E2651ED0683BA39EBC9B042A51B3F7391AA70104E
(trilema) diana_coman: !!unrate bitnumus
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 953696A41F310BFCB23DD04FFCAFFF6281F6AC68C19F8C592FEE502E519E283D
(trilema) diana_coman: !!unrate Zakorus123
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 8432836915E56942BC2E87B0D901EA7E5FF583F326FAD9D7810299020266FD8C
(trilema) diana_coman: !!unrate Mafroz
(trilema) diana_coman: there is no scheme and no notion of scheme, because only interface and you know a bit country style: what do you mean you don't know how to get to X? EVERYBODY knows
(trilema) diana_coman: getting things going is seen as "copy/paste stuff really, no need to come up with anything there
(trilema) diana_coman: in other words, mircea_popescu, it is "accessible" and "easy to get things going" - in all the wrong directions, of course, but nobody mentioned anything about direction now, did they
(trilema) diana_coman: Framedragger, it's not the syntax, it's the whole "approach"; though if you find *that* acceptable, I guess you'll find planeshift code just as acceptable with all its 20-level dependency hell, mix-and-match mess of concepts (hey, what IS a concept anyway and what do you mean there is something other than interface anyway)
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> i went around distributing tinned biscuits this morning. <- it gave me this fleeting image of a red-hatted mp with a huge jar going round the neighbourhood
(trilema) diana_coman: but I don't expect it really changed all that much either
(trilema) diana_coman: clearly, yes; tbh I had this uneasy feeling of totally back to the 80's when I went to Belarus some ...hm, 7 years ago already
(trilema) diana_coman: "cultural production capacity"
(trilema) diana_coman: quite the same, esp the face of that guy
(trilema) diana_coman: bwahahhaa; when we were made pioneers we had this picture by the flag thing
(trilema) diana_coman is waiting for BingoBoingo to ask "who's your daddy?"
(trilema) diana_coman: I vaguely recall some discussion touching a bit on that
(trilema) diana_coman: Framedragger, you are probably better off searching the logs of the eulora channel
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol. <- fixed; weird though, as I can't seem to be able to reproduce whatever the issue was
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 16E921C9EED8785749555E4189246AD80F3C8D73B85238CB53B861E5E208B760
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate EDLionX 1 hard-working euloran noob
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate EDLionX hard-working euloran noob
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key EDLionX
(trilema) diana_coman: eacher of computer science, no matter how great/capable that teacher might be
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I kept trying to digest asciilifeform's proposed categories, but I must confess I would still have trouble deciding on one or another; basically my clear categories would really be binary: I'm USING this or I WILL NOT USE this; the rest I would rather expect to be sorted by competence meaning that one who wants to write a patch for eulora would better get a "I'm using this" from someone involved with eulora, not from his t
(trilema) diana_coman: scones and butter and what-not
(trilema) diana_coman: isn't that tea?
(trilema) diana_coman: danielpbarron, automating storage retrieval/mixing would be great and it's sorely needed; for starters maybe have a look at the code in botstorage.cpp as that one deals with storage (it was used by an earlier version of the bot to get the ingredients directly from storage)
(trilema) diana_coman: like all stops, it was but a break I suppose; even if a ...hmmmm, 10 years break sort of thing
(trilema) diana_coman programmed (briefly) long time ago for a French open-source company; with azerty keyboard + unicode support because "clients" mostly French public sector entities -> after that initial experience (in fairness the unicode part was but a very small part of it - the bulk was the overall nonsense of the "endeavours") I just stopped programming all together (I got back into it years later mainly because ...eulora)
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, no signing of V material containing non-ascii characters, agreed
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, yeah, arde-i iute
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ? I have no idea on the topic
(trilema) diana_coman: monkey-brain -> NOTHING beyond "instantly visible"
(trilema) diana_coman: that sounds to me like the perfect expression of monkey-brain: no instantly visible result means not worth doing
(trilema) diana_coman: or some canines ...
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahaha; did you find a sizable at least?
(trilema) diana_coman: they are* /to even consider looking*
(trilema) diana_coman: my xp with the (very few) df players I know is that they are either so dedicated to df or so comfortable with it that they totally unavailable/unwilling to even looking at something else
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc I *did* mention dwarf fortress some time ago precisely because of some similarities; I think mircea_popescu left a message on their wiki/forum/whatevs but nothing/nobody materialised as a result
(trilema) diana_coman: congrats hanbot
(trilema) diana_coman: thestringpuller, I doubt you dived into eulora code; it was probably planeshift code you dived into and nobody said as far as I know that planeshift was any sort of supermodel
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, gory by comparison to mine and hanbot's simply
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562957 <- unsurprisingly this simply means decision is back to mircea_popescu ; fwiw and in the interst of a last attempt to reaching a decision on this, the way I see all this is that hanbot's is the merriest, BingoBoingo's is the goriest&most willful, mine is the most truthful to the original; so a decision would be a choice between those three aspects and I'm unsure what was the goal of the
(trilema) diana_coman: contest anyway; considering however that it was set for Halloween, I guess I'd go with "goriest" and therefore BingoBoingo should win; as a side, I must say I don't quite follow the point of "all possible positions expressed" since they were quite clear/obvious anyway;
(trilema) diana_coman: but it might depend on hanbot's votes now; if we go by votes at all
(trilema) diana_coman is not sure Elliot could do splits, hence the preference for keeping the coin whole
(trilema) diana_coman: I tend to agree with that, BingoBoingo ; so I guess some mess is cleared up, no splitting of the coin allowed
(trilema) diana_coman: tion day that clearly gets one drinking, although BingoBoingo really got James and Elliot going; agreeing with hanbot, I'm totally in favour of splitting the prize in three; finally disagreeing with hanbot and with BingoBoingo and with anyone who gets into this, I'll simply proclaim http://thebitcoin.foundation/ as winner and award the whole prize to it
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562842 <- I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with everyone on this so it's a right mess; agreeing with mircea_popescu on it being close, quite disagreeing with him on this newly found democratic idea of passing on the hot potato; agreeing with BingoBoingo on the importance of one voting for oneself first, I'll do just that and vote for myself first; will vote for hanbot 2nd for her rectibu
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, takes some heavy drinking for that one, hanbot
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, on the other hand he might need to train in between claims seeing how his skill is not that high yet so a trip back to town anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw to me daniel's posts on this + the thoughts expressed here on the necessity of shared "core beliefs" to qualify for friendship etc sound as an elaborate form of "I'm on my own, it's terribly lonely and it hurts"
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo> lol diana_coman OMG that is wonderful <- cheers!
(trilema) diana_coman: didn't want to let BingoBoingo alone
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha: ",operator imagine : Mircea Popescu"
(trilema) diana_coman: only latest version of ubuntu claims to have 1.3.3-1 rhash but by this time I'm not even sure that is what it claims anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: indeed; not has it then it is
(trilema) diana_coman: it's version 1.3.1 in the repos from what I see
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, and right you are, ofc
(trilema) diana_coman: that being said, it is from "universe" aka not "officially" supported
(trilema) diana_coman: so yeah, from ubuntu 12.04
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently previous version of ubuntu should have it too https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhash
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> then ok ; but it doesn't exist on plenty of boxes and in most distros - is the point. <- ubuntu 14.04 at least actually has it
(trilema) diana_coman: rhash actually has make install...
(trilema) diana_coman: will have a look gabriel_laddel
(trilema) diana_coman: download the eulora client and compile it/check it works on your machine; ask for an account; preferably don't quit the irc session, just leave it on until Mircea comes around to make you the account
(trilema) diana_coman: try with it raw wawan99 ...
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up wawan99
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw Vilnius' really "old" area is slightly behind the so-called "old town" and perhaps the more "artsy" area along the river
(trilema) diana_coman: d of the day
(trilema) diana_coman: well, at the end of the day that IS the local character; previously it was the all-the-same blocky/stocky/commie townhalls, what; previous to that it was the catholic cathedrals etc; really what you deem "local character" vs "uberglitz, eu-ification" is just a matter of personal preference I'd say; I was suggesting you visit Panevezys precisely because that IS more of the "local" character than the well-groomed Kaunas at the en
(trilema) diana_coman: it doesn't strike me as specifically eu per se
(trilema) diana_coman: but you know, they are in the end in quite a pickle because "lithuanian" would be what, Grand Duchy of Lithuania, right?
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc took out the red pavement on the red street because ahem, RED
(trilema) diana_coman: out of desperation to have the "lithuanian" thing
(trilema) diana_coman: they *rebuilt* the damn "castle"
(trilema) diana_coman: hmmm, I think you are reading into it from a predefined perspective really
(trilema) diana_coman: for the more touristical thing I'd say probably Trakai
(trilema) diana_coman: well, there is ~nothing to see in Panevezys, that's the point: kind of industrial, provincial town, poor and stinky all around
(trilema) diana_coman: vilnius got a total makeup when it was eu cultural capital thing (and yes, several locals complained to me that it's worse for all that polish) but the uberglitzed area to my mind is just the very-very small bang-centre: cathedral and that molehill they call the castle
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, pete_dushenski have you been to some of the smaller/more provincial ones? Panevezys comes to mind, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, yeah, that's the smaller airport, quite all right for what it's used actually
(trilema) diana_coman: is that kaunas, pete_dushenski ?
(trilema) diana_coman: still, after one trip with them I prefer by far to fly into Riga and take the bus or car to Vilnius from there
(trilema) diana_coman: since Lithuania managed to end up in the interesting position of having 2 (at least, I did not even check if it doesn't have more than that) airports and no airline, Ryanair were the only ones to fly directly there
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, I did not mention the backseats that do not recline and the very, VERY limited leg-space
(trilema) diana_coman: ldn't be surprised if they added meanwhile some "Oxygen fee")
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw pete_dushenski I flew with Ryanair and I would advise against them unless you are either a. desperate b. really curious of how a plane can feel like the old-times local bus for local peasants, chicken and other animals combined; they have the most obnoxious "service" I ever saw filled with loud and frequent "offers" to buy all sorts and *advertisement* in the cabin; not to mention interesting fees such as "fuel fee" (I wou
(trilema) diana_coman: loool, well deserved penance indeed then
(trilema) diana_coman: shinohai> danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance <- wait, did you do it *manually*?
(trilema) diana_coman: for 1 sec I thought ben_vulpes actually *washes* the dishes ; as in using sponge+washing liquid, no dishwasher
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key supersechi
(trilema) diana_coman: malcomxxx, see #eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: thestringpuller, the swamp is deep
(trilema) diana_coman: ha! welcome shinohai to the mess of planeshift legacy code
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 63BCBF85AEBECBA84E6539E0984DC1FF79BF6F51CF12651E1E5F88F15B95BCDE
(trilema) diana_coman: $key Nivir
(trilema) diana_coman: well deserved shinohai
(trilema) diana_coman: quite curious what comes out of it
(trilema) diana_coman: $rated shinohai
(trilema) diana_coman: $rate shinohai 1 Held many euloran noob hands.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532957 wanted to say it worked great, thank you very much
(trilema) diana_coman: that online decryption site is anyway cherry on top; had no idea such a thing exists even: give us your private key and we'll decrypt things for you...
(trilema) diana_coman: social as in social-media, ofc
(trilema) diana_coman: so myeah, spot on
(trilema) diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular" <- only today I read in that sad ACM magazine that *used* to be a thing about the great discovery of "helping" children finally learn programming by...making it social!
(trilema) diana_coman: thank you asciilifeform !
(trilema) diana_coman: kk, will see how it goes then
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6 or anyone else who already did this: I'm installing gentoo on a box with the view to run a node on it; any specific/recommended sw requirements/setup? box is i5 2.6GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB hdd
(trilema) diana_coman: $key Robespierre_
(trilema) diana_coman: $key AllKindsOfBad
(trilema) diana_coman: $key Robespierre_
(trilema) diana_coman: bet in morroco he would have had all the caves to "gather" in and saved the shiny paint on that bmw
(trilema) diana_coman: the womans race lol
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, it is common; that still doesn't mean that they shouldn't be kicked to deal with it themselves; but clearly something to be started way before he was 20, there is that
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, by the looks of it so that she can have a shit for a kid
(trilema) diana_coman: quite curious how he sees that
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm still waiting to get to his view of how they called the police/why
(trilema) diana_coman: at 20 yo no less
(trilema) diana_coman: and he even directly says that she should put out with whatever because ..him; and she just...refuses; nothing else; wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: he begs his mother to get married to a rich guy to ...save his (elliot's) life
(trilema) diana_coman: more like his "happy" childhood days as he says it himself
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect he would find *that* too much too
(trilema) diana_coman: what change? he finds it too much to actually be in this nasty "unfair" world, he wants someone to make him a little bubble at least to keep it all away
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't think it has to do with changing him
(trilema) diana_coman: he actually keeps saying he wants someone to take care of things, of him etc
(trilema) diana_coman: well, that is what he would have answered if you asked him, certainly; but in practice it seems more like what to do: get back with daddy, go to that college etc
(trilema) diana_coman: he certainly wanted the money (well, any money) but to me he sounded more like he was in fact searching very much for someone to finally tell him what to do
(trilema) diana_coman: similarly one second he is supposedly totally and absolutely disgusted with his father (ftr I don't know who wouldn't by the sounds of it) and the next second he makes friends again because... he has been asked to by his nan
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, doesn't sound likely
(trilema) diana_coman: and for all his supposed knife, all he does is to pour coffee or juice on people, I mean seriously
(trilema) diana_coman: still, there are in fact inconsistencies in elliot's narrative: one second he's fighting off those boys in the truck (even with a knife!) and the next second he flees because one (ONE) boy...shouted at him
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, the guy with the crate seems to miss the "but I was SO worthy, how did the winning ticket DARE to choose someone else"
(trilema) diana_coman: o "want" is too much to handle
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr what I find more mind boggling is the degree to which nobody around him actually has anything to do really and I mean first his parents; at least from his account all they do is to throw at him money above what he can in fact handle; in one view I could almost frame this as poor kid got thrown into a station so much above himself that the difference between what he *knows* he is worth (nothing) and what he has been forced t
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, there is that indeed, he uses to choose in a certain way
(trilema) diana_coman: hmm, doesn't it break this view of his right at the core when he expects then items to "choose" him?
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, the what do you feel or even what do you think is just a bone to pick with current idiocy , nothing to do with what I was saying
(trilema) diana_coman: mouse just gets eaten though; snake can have lots of wisdom to impart to those who are fascinated by it, but those who go over into petrified are just its food
(trilema) diana_coman: being petrified shuts down entirely everything including hearing/learning, hence "statue"
(trilema) diana_coman: shutting up and learning != being petrified
(trilema) diana_coman: my point though was that petrified people don't seem to be able to learn much while being statues
(trilema) diana_coman: since we had classes starting usually at 8am if not 7:30 at uni on most days (they surely wouldn't have all fitted otherwise in a week/daytime if starting any later), I did not grasp the early concept correctly, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, I thought they woke up early as in woke up at 6am to read for the class out of fear or something
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that sounds then like an excellent class in waking up early, but with dubious results philosophy-wise :p
(trilema) diana_coman: culturally acceptable I mean there
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-25#1529080 true; at the same time and funnily enough in this particular case, the parents of this guy actually called the police on him and apparently tried to get him out of the way -within the confines of what was acceptable- but essentially everybody else disagreed with the parents' own view that he wasn't fit to live among others as he was at the time.
(trilema) diana_coman: because they can't evaluate really AND they are frail at the end of the day
(trilema) diana_coman: what I mean is that they will inevitably take on something that is bound to end quite badly for themselves first of all
(trilema) diana_coman: the 2yo himself basically is the main thing that "could break"
(trilema) diana_coman: it's not about objects that could break
(trilema) diana_coman: true that; my thought there was informed by the fact that a 2 years old can be happily kept occupied with perfectly-adequate stuff IF someone points them to it; on the other hand if left on their own, they will ~always find a destructive thing to do
(trilema) diana_coman: as I said: "could have been done" has nothing to do with putting away the pistol/guns and all to do with finding the right place for the guy, be that 10m in the ground, "jar" or whatever else
(trilema) diana_coman: from out here the butthurt re pistol/guns seems an entirely american thing really
(trilema) diana_coman: so then in what sense exactly did the guy wake up?
(trilema) diana_coman: so meteor woke up?
(trilema) diana_coman: that actually reinforces the point that by these standards a 2 year old who shoots someone (he found a new toy, pulled the trigger to see what) has equally woken up: chances are that they shoot dictionary speech people if that is the norm for people
(trilema) diana_coman: I was only briefly in Boston some ..hmmm, 6-7 years ago