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BingoBoingo: "and you could eat caviar and manatee steak" << Now manatee demands plane ticket
asciilifeform: today plane ticket, tomorrow -- plane
asciilifeform: (if the mega-fat folx can successfully wheedle 'right to' 2nd seat for phreee, why not RIGHT TO charter plane???)
asciilifeform: '“Abu Muhammed Horasani” managed to escape from Reina by covering himself in his victims’ blood and used a taxi to escape the murder scene.' lolwat
asciilifeform: new one.
asciilifeform: gotta remember this algo
asciilifeform: escape from bank heist by covering self in hundies, prolly also worx
pete_dushenski: it's a variant of thief crying thief
trinque: http://www.livescience.com/57373-52-countries-ban-spanking-france.html << meanwhile, france bans beating one's kids (impotently, apparently..), citing research showing "they weren't that good at it anyway"
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596721 <<< 1.0 would do perfectly for that matter. "2.0" has a stench of "i just heard about Bitcoin, I'm here to fix it"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 01:05 adlai: calling it Bitcoin 2.0 is excellent blanding, prb are permastuck in 0.landia
davout: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.zf4axvgbj <<< pretty lulzy, aka "we have nfi how we should make money"
mircea_popescu: davout the notion that those fucktards thought at any point they're employing 150 people...
mircea_popescu: "helped make medium what it is today" ? what the everloving fuck IS it, an upstart hoping to one day be a #trilema log ? whoa!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596974 << not new at all, posed as victim
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 05:05 asciilifeform: new one.
asciilifeform ponders the puzzler
mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_vulpes did you end up with a masamune thingee ?
mircea_popescu: !!key gabriel_laddel_p
Framedragger: medium: "However, in building out this model, we realized we didn’t yet have the right solution to the big question of driving payment for quality content." ahahahahaa another startup realizes that this exotic nuance of balance sheet called REVENUE cannot be simply california-sun-wished-away
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I had previously sent you all the required information via PM. Perhaps my connection was (silently) dropped prior.
gabriel_laddel_p: In any case, the answer is no.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596442 << haha! :) haven't heard of it (if you mean the tea brand). gift looks nice - hopefully there's actual proper .lt honey in it (if so - ftw / gonna be a treat). dunno what the odds for that are tho.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-04 23:16 pete_dushenski: straight from lithuania! (is Framedragger familiar with this brand?)
Framedragger: that handwritten card looks rather lovely i must say
mircea_popescu: nice people huh.
Framedragger: i say!
shinohai: http://archive.is/lJ3pY <<< DNS + Ether, what could possibly go wrong?
mircea_popescu: "James Mickens is a researcher in the Distributed Systems group at Microsoft’s Redmond lab. His current research focuses on web applications, with an emphasis on the design of JavaScript frameworks that allow developers to diagnose and fix bugs in widely deployed web applications." << i hope someone seduced his spouse
mircea_popescu: preferably, someone called antron / big lurch. thrice. and i hope he's stuck raising the offspring, like that bill de blasio idiot.
mircea_popescu: at least they won't be helping anyone with javascript.
shinohai: var=cucked
davout: such freefall, very volatility, much seatbelts, wow
davout: !~ticker --market all --currency eur
jhvh1: davout: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 950.080998, vol: 29021.94177383 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 961.34851, vol: 422.36114 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 954.960618, vol: 4927124.52710000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 959.999, vol: 26589.3191255 | Volume-weighted last average: 954.959624473
shinohai: IT'S A TRAP
mircea_popescu: troubled asses rape plan!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-december-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), December 2016 Statement
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/05/a-quick-trick-to-save-medium-articles-before-they-go-bye-bye/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A quick trick to save Medium articles before they go bye-bye.
mod6: Hola
mircea_popescu is writing up the fabulous hash function just in case.
asciilifeform: oooh neato
asciilifeform behind schedule on earlier $items, sadly did not have time to further massage subj
mod6: yeah, i did get a chance to skim the PHP, but not much else yet.
mod6: cool stuff
mircea_popescu: maybe that is better suited.
ben_vulpes: glyf.org dns servers not working for anyone else?
mircea_popescu: confirmed.
mircea_popescu: mmm now i get 66.35.48.19
ben_vulpes: aok there we go
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596792 << spiffy as hell phf i very much wanted this the other night
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 02:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596739 << while this does give me a diff envy, i'm cooking something that asciilifeform might find useful http://glyf.org/tmp/press-tree.png
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ << Trilema - Towards a better hash function
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 08:55 davout: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.zf4axvgbj <<< pretty lulzy, aka "we have nfi how we should make money"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-04 22:46 ben_vulpes: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.8gsm40qwc << "we have no fucking idea how to make money from livejournal in 2017, but that's not going to stop us from lighting our investor's capital on fire and warming ourselves in front of it while lamenting the capitalist system!"
mircea_popescu noticed, didn't say nuttin. was lulzy.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: ack
ben_vulpes: hey could i beg a translation of the forum?
ben_vulpes: oh nm it's spam
ben_vulpes: has bullet points and all!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596989 << let's just say i am going to have to jump through some hoops
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 11:11 mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_vulpes did you end up with a masamune thingee ?
ben_vulpes: i'm going to it's just going to take an eternity.
ben_vulpes: d'you want me to get you one as well?
ben_vulpes: !up fromloper
trinque: !!up fromloper
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: cowards, all.
trinque: unrelatedly, masamune vid was impressive, ftr
ben_vulpes: damn spiffy, that's why i wanted to host it!
trinque: I reiterate that I would love to have a guy I can holler at and throw money at to improve CLIM
asciilifeform: ^ latest wintel konsoomer part
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 19:43 ben_vulpes: omg davout great minds! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596982 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596429
asciilifeform: anybody know of a lightweight and non-automake-infested log library for c proggy ?
asciilifeform: 30 yrs of open sores does not appear to have produced one
asciilifeform: but perhaps i overlooked something.
ben_vulpes: just write to stdout
asciilifeform: well, stderr
asciilifeform: but i'd like timestamps, rollover, and nonbufferization
asciilifeform: like most folx
asciilifeform: i have stderr for free, already knew where to find it, thx ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: dying of grins over here
trinque: asciilifeform: has to be a lib?
asciilifeform: trinque: ideally just a few 100 (max) lines of .h
asciilifeform: i.e. readable
asciilifeform: i am specifically uninterested in 'zlog' or any other automake rubbish.
trinque tends to have one proggie fart log via stdout into svlogd
trinque: rather than having it manage own logs
trinque: dunno if this is applicable at all to what you're building
asciilifeform: this works when your proggy never dies suddenly without chance to flush buffers
asciilifeform: nor wants to reserve stdout for something else
asciilifeform: (why jam 1 user at a time, wtf)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc there was a clog thing that was just one header - quite basic though and I have no idea in what state it is currently (i.e. whether of any use really)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: got link ?
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597026 << namecheap is not very good
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 19:34 mircea_popescu: yo phf
phf: but i've no idea what to switch to, as per recent threads
phf: it's safe to save 66.35.48.19 for glyf.org, it's been the same ip for the past 10 years or so. in fact, assuming this is not some weird overflow issue, today is a birthday on glyf.org machine. 2048 days uptime
ben_vulpes: mazel tov, phf
asciilifeform: lel paywall
asciilifeform: but from abstract, it seems like a stretch, charitably. (blinds with uv? asciilifeform sunburns in about 5minutes, and so owns a uv dosimeter, it reads 0 at point blank range from led bulbs of whatever make -- i have at least 5 popular models here.)
asciilifeform: with ~blue~ ? brighter blue from lamp than from the sun? really, srs?
asciilifeform: aaaa guess what ain't in there
asciilifeform: (spectra!)
asciilifeform: such lulz, such apparently good wurk, and 0 spectra.
asciilifeform: (if i missed a 'and we had ~0-uvpermeability glass in front of the rat cage...' plz correct me...)
asciilifeform: cheapo 'white' led leaks , yes, uv.
asciilifeform: ~0 of which gets through typical lamp dome, just as nobody gets sunburn from sitting near a window indoors.
ben_vulpes: interdasting
ben_vulpes: yeah, why no spectra?
asciilifeform: i grunted through whole thing in search of it
asciilifeform: then went 'holy fuq'
asciilifeform: nominal peak in nm from datashit is not substitute for spectra, wtf, omfg.
asciilifeform: in other olds, https://archive.is/vDN6w << more re variant diff algos.
pete_dushenski: in other real deals, the og podesta phish http://archive.is/jB78F
pete_dushenski: from: "> IP Address: 134.249.139.239 > Location: Ukraine"
trinque: bit.ly ahaha
pete_dushenski: dunno what his google pwd was, but apparently 'Runner4567' unlocked podesta's apple acct
ben_vulpes: and they aspire to run the world
pete_dushenski: podesta et al. might even have what it ~took~ to run the world of their formative years, but meanwhile time marched on and they've now wandered far, far from home. similarly, god help the lot of us in 30-40 years. don't forget just how old these team clitler fogies are either.
asciilifeform: oh and, if there was mention of uv cataract signs on the rats' corneas, i missed it...
ben_vulpes: looking a bit more like "oop, flawed experimental design"
ben_vulpes: although why not "hey check it out, indoor led manufacturers routinely ship uv-emitters"
ben_vulpes: i suppose because if a thing cannot be claimed about the research lab's pet topics, it is not worth publishing?
ben_vulpes: what is going on in their heads...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: possibly because if you were to measure how much uv got pumped into the rat eyes, the 'blue poison' thing evaporates
ben_vulpes: kinda what i was saying
asciilifeform: (leaving entirely aside the validity of a burrowing animal as a model for blindness via overexposure to ~whatever~ wavelength of light)
ben_vulpes: heh right
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it ain't a 'flawed' experimental design, any more than a land mine is a 'flawed' dinner plate
asciilifeform: it is chumpatronic.
ben_vulpes: in that it is designed to show that "blue light == bad"?
asciilifeform: at the very least, to sow fud
asciilifeform: and 'regulatory' fodder.
ben_vulpes: ah yeah, that
ben_vulpes: ye olde edifice of scientistic governance
asciilifeform: led lamp makers are scamming folx left and right in entirely nonsubtle ways (i just unscrewed 5th dead '20 year life!111' bulb this year, none were older than ~1y)
ben_vulpes: dissect any of 'em?
ben_vulpes: and is the failure in the leds or electronix?
asciilifeform: mix of dead rectifiers and blown caps
ben_vulpes: ahaha
asciilifeform: it's ~never the led
ben_vulpes: "hey, the LEDs last forever kid!"
asciilifeform: one reason is that the chumps often submit'em, for free, for 'recycle', and the lamp house gets to sell ~same motherfucking lamp N times
asciilifeform: replacing 5cent part.
asciilifeform: (they are not, before anyone asks, +ev to fix at home, you will not get the tin can with the heat sink closed to anything like the shape you want it to be to fit in any fixture)
asciilifeform: or to even adequately conduct heat again
asciilifeform: the folx makin' these things --- thought things through, yes.
asciilifeform: the other thing about these lamps is that (at least i find) they are addictive -- after stuffing 2 100w-imitators into a fixture that cannot physically hold 2 100w edison bulbs without catching fire, it is painful to go back
asciilifeform: you get used to room being bright enough to read in.
asciilifeform: (a '100w' imitator eats 10-15w)
asciilifeform: heat dissipation, elementarily, ~= wattage.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597045 << nah was just evaluating an idea ; meanwhile the guy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596994 so ima just let it be.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 19:51 ben_vulpes: d'you want me to get you one as well?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 11:58 gabriel_laddel_p: In any case, the answer is no.
asciilifeform: lel, d00d decided not to sell any moar after all ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. whatevs.
asciilifeform confesses to complete lack of emotion re subj
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 20:48 asciilifeform: (why jam 1 user at a time, wtf)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the other thing about these lamps is that (at least i find) they are addictive -- after stuffing 2 100w-imitators into a fixture that cannot physically hold 2 100w edison bulbs without catching fire, it is painful to go back << Just get new porcelain fixture. 150 to 300 Watt edisons are still available
mircea_popescu: WHY DO YOU THINK
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not practical to put a 200w-dissipating fixture on a ceiling already so low mircea_popescu would scratch the top of his dome if he came to my house
mircea_popescu: anyway, i fgind the converse to be true, proper lights quite addictive.
asciilifeform: it oughta read 'i.e. nextpos <= pos ? pos-- : maxpos.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 200watt fixture is typically a flat disk of porcelain with socket. What mega dissipation?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dangling < must be introduced as &lt;
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE HTML HAS MAGIC WORD
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i took a 100w-max one apart not long ago, found that even it includes fiberglass fireproofing thing next to ceiling
asciilifeform: american houses are the architectural mcdonalds, cramped, uncomfortable cardboard crematoria waiting to ignite
mircea_popescu: all mine are ceramic. also my ceilings went from the standard 2.3 to the rarer 2.85 sometime long ago. turns out - also quite addictive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, civilized ceiling
asciilifeform: exists in ~0 dwellings in usa, at least in ~nothing built since 1970s (speaking here strictly of residential bldgs)
mircea_popescu: 2 types of bum : he who lives in hovel where can see the stars through the ceiling, and he who lives in hovel where can touch the ceiling.
asciilifeform: in usa, ~everyone (save for 'old money' rockefeller types) are at best #2bum
asciilifeform: though oddly enough, the hovels where i lived as a student were old enough to have proper ceilings !
mircea_popescu: whole buildings of type 3 still exist here, unmolested since the 60s
asciilifeform: yeah complete with old ru-made locks
mircea_popescu: back when middle class was quite pointedly != bum yet.
asciilifeform: (tru story!11)
ben_vulpes: i grew up in one of those houses
ben_vulpes: do not live in one now
BingoBoingo: 660 watt max at 250 VAC for GE "Medium Base Keyless White Porcelain Lampholder" which is basic $6 flat ceramic disk with bulb socket
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 21:13 phf: it's safe to save 66.35.48.19 for glyf.org, it's been the same ip for the past 10 years or so. in fact, assuming this is not some weird overflow issue, today is a birthday on glyf.org machine. 2048 days uptime
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's ok, it's because upwards mobility, see? you can now touch ceilings your parents couldn't.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i think you mean (return (many happy))
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it isn't the lamp that catches fire
mircea_popescu: let's diff.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: glorious socialist wasteland of stealing the stolen from
ben_vulpes: but hey, at least standard deduction is going to 24k for the married men
mircea_popescu: i thought you lived with two women.
asciilifeform: i also thought!
mircea_popescu: aok then
asciilifeform: why did i think this
ben_vulpes: why did you all think this?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz he keeps saying things that go perfectly with it ? i dunno.
ben_vulpes: can't pretend to visit mistress when wife is in same haus
asciilifeform: aha, he has the air of a 2-engined fella
mircea_popescu: YOU JUST DID IT!
ben_vulpes: it says nothing of living omgwtfbbq
mircea_popescu: if you say "can't pretend to visit mistress when wife is in same haus" the parser wil lsettle on "that's because wife and girl share a bedroom."
ben_vulpes: mistress is 90% joke anyways! tell wife going to visit mistress, save time on mistress at shop!
mircea_popescu: it's ok ben jewes, you can tell us.
ben_vulpes: only one woman in my house i swears.
mircea_popescu deduces mistress is a boy. LOGIC PREVAILS.
ben_vulpes: most of the time at least
asciilifeform: oh i know how this knot is cut:
ben_vulpes: i snort derisively at you mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has one chick, but WITH HYPERTHREADING
ben_vulpes: aka "multiple personality disorder"
mircea_popescu: is he like, a duck ? has threaded business tool ?
ben_vulpes: let me check
ben_vulpes: maybe!
ben_vulpes: my gut is hanging over it, can't tell anymore
mircea_popescu: ~you~ have a gut ?
mircea_popescu: the world is at an end.
ben_vulpes: that'd be the joke, yes
ben_vulpes: "it's fighting PUNCH not fighting PAUNCH you nincompoops!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597100 << this is not actually true, ftr. back in the days of unfloated double-panel with gas separator, you could get plenty sunburnt in the northern solaria domes during their pathetic excuse for a summer.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 21:53 asciilifeform: ~0 of which gets through typical lamp dome, just as nobody gets sunburn from sitting near a window indoors.
asciilifeform: not window
asciilifeform: (yes it does not absorb 100%)
asciilifeform: a small angle makes for fat diff in atmosphere b/w you and sun, consider how beach umbrella worx.
asciilifeform: (angle from vertical)
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a thing of the 70s, mostly gone now. the modern northern "window" is so insulating as you couldn't believe.
asciilifeform just measured another led lamp, 0 at 5cm.
asciilifeform: (for this sensor, anything below 400nm)
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/KxvRD << sadly for the credibility of the us "intelligence community", 134.249.139.239 was doing web/blog spam back in 2014.
asciilifeform: open proxy or wut
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597130 << meanwhile low efficiency incandescents i bought 18 month ago in 3s because seemed like novelty item and will die in mere months STILL MARCH ON
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 23:46 asciilifeform: led lamp makers are scamming folx left and right in entirely nonsubtle ways (i just unscrewed 5th dead '20 year life!111' bulb this year, none were older than ~1y)
mircea_popescu: having menawhile colored their glass a very superb tint of rose through metal deposition
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597139 << quite this, actually. i never "recycle" in the sense of give for free. straight into kitchen trash it all goes. let them learn how to pay.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 23:48 asciilifeform: one reason is that the chumps often submit'em, for free, for 'recycle', and the lamp house gets to sell ~same motherfucking lamp N times
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wonder if they have prisoners sift through rubbish in search of lamps yet.
mircea_popescu: let 'em.
mircea_popescu: somehow - they will pay. i ain't giving jack for free.
mircea_popescu: all this "oh, we're all friends" bs is for the dogs. i ain't fiatola's friend.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aha yes i play the exact opposite game. "oh, the recycling bin is the big one? great, that's where everything goes."
asciilifeform: i do different thing -- mail the lamps back, with a note about considering www article re rubbish lamp, and inviting maker to consider honouring the warranty
asciilifeform: the result, curiously enough, is ~two~ new units, about 6 months later, in each case
mircea_popescu: heh, they're doing the whole "portland the spacestation, only so much volume available" thign there huh
asciilifeform: (now, they ALSO burn after 6mo. so not all that useful.)
mircea_popescu: evidently you got one of the recycled.
mircea_popescu: yes, "manufacturer thought things through", but not in the sense usually contemplated.
asciilifeform: 'let's give'im that one SPESHUL horse'
asciilifeform: (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu)
mircea_popescu: ah, the cairo thing ?
mircea_popescu: idiots. who the fuck do they think they are, seriously, buncha inept alt-white people.
asciilifeform: soft-white!
mircea_popescu: "oh, he's not from around here, which means we can't live in his house but NEITHER CAN HE IN OURS! because that's how white man supremacy works, totally!"
asciilifeform: (lampism esoterica. 'soft white' is the trade name for the faux-incandescent phosphor variant led)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/fuck-white-people-pack-of-native-chicagoans-torture-captive-white-boy/ << Qntra - "Fuck White People": Pack Of Native Chicagoans Torture Captive White Boy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (now, they ALSO burn after 6mo. so not all that useful.) << Have you hunted for miswired low voltage hvac or door bell transformers? I had a "bulb killing fixture" that was tamed by removing backfeeding noisy ass doorbell transformer.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no such thing here.
asciilifeform: this place didn't even have a doorbell until i put in chinese battery-powered thing
BingoBoingo: And furnace/blower?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i do have a voltage plotter here, though.
asciilifeform: runs 24/7
asciilifeform: 126.4 v (rms) peak for last 12 months.
BingoBoingo: "How capactive is your swamp?"
mircea_popescu: honestly i have nfi what a "doorbell" is for. police doesn't knock anymore anyway and everyone else should make a fucking appointment.
mircea_popescu: who receives people off the street randomly ?
asciilifeform: people, nobody
mircea_popescu: doorbell for mail ?
asciilifeform: for parcels
mircea_popescu: why'd you receive mail personally anyway.
asciilifeform: not everybody has a guard booth with servant chilling his bones by the antitank ditch on the edge of the dirigible field.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's different for collectors huh.
asciilifeform: btw, bonus tip for tuned-in folx, it dun hurt to have a number of cameras pointed at door- or window-shaped holes in your dwelling, some of which are prominent, and might depend on mains current, but others -- not so prominent, and do not, and do not write to the net or to any place you can get to other than by demolishing whole bldg
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly i have nfi what a "doorbell" is for. police doesn't knock anymore anyway and everyone else should make a fucking appointment. << apparently they are for backfeeding current into switched circuits they are wired off of when said circuits are "off"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i saw interesting variant of this, with the selfsame led bulbs, where a dead lamp would light for about 1/2 second after the live one connected in tandem switched (from wall switch) off !
asciilifeform: not enough of a spike to propagate down the wire to where i have the plotter
asciilifeform: but enough to push the 'dead' cap-less unit over the edge, briefly.
BingoBoingo: Count wires in junction box and enter attic to view from above?
asciilifeform: view what
BingoBoingo: wires entering an exiting box
asciilifeform: it's a standard american 15amp circuit
BingoBoingo: No such thing in residential because previous tenants or owners "Pro Idiotas"
asciilifeform: in so far as can tell with naked eye, and with the sensors, it was built 'by the book'.
asciilifeform: speaking of shit wiring, thermovisor will show you some very interesting things in an old house.
asciilifeform: (will also show you who, or what, is alive in parked vans, but best observed quietly)
BingoBoingo: In so far as many magnetic studfinders can tell, galvanized pipe and emt conduit are promising places to drill and screw
asciilifeform: lul didja read the thing backwards or wat
asciilifeform: and they're densitometric not magnetic, wtf
BingoBoingo: Studfinders? Nah magnet on a pivot that "catches" on ferrous metal like nails
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo's is from 19th c or wat
BingoBoingo sometimes doesn't care to make 9v battery run just because fancy studfinder was thirsty
BingoBoingo: !~google "johnson stud finder plus"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Amazon.com: Johnson Level & Tool 160 Stud Finder Plus : Home ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Johnson-Level-Tool-160-Finder/dp/B00004T808>; Customer Reviews: Johnson Level & Tool 160 Stud Finder Plus: <https://www.amazon.com/Johnson-Level-Tool-160-Finder/product-reviews/B00004T808>; Johnson Stud Finder Plus -160 - The Home Depot: <http://www.homedepot.com/p/Johnson-Stud-Finder-Plus-160/10021
BingoBoingo: !~google stanley 47-400
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Stanley 47-400 Magnetic Stud Finder - Stud Finders And Scanning ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-47-400-Magnetic-Stud-Finder/dp/B0000BYD3K>; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Stanley 47-400 Magnetic Stud ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-47-400-Magnetic-Stud-Finder/product-reviews/B0000BYD3K>; Magnetic Stud Finder - 47-400 | STANLEY Tools: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Stanley 47-400 is best studfinder by company which produced monster sensortron asciilifeform linked
asciilifeform: aha if you like drilling into yer pipes.
BingoBoingo: That's what measuring tape is for, to check where stud ought to be
asciilifeform: 'ought to' is of limited use.
asciilifeform: incidentally thermovisor will also show you studs
asciilifeform: (exercise for reader, to understand why)
BingoBoingo: studs are thermally conductive relative to every else that should be in wall
BingoBoingo: brb, sobertime
mircea_popescu: or was it studfinders.
asciilifeform: gotta love fleanode
asciilifeform: apparently my nick is 'never registered' on somewhere b/w 1/2 to 2/3 of all fleanode boxen
mircea_popescu: be less terrorist.
asciilifeform: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله!
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