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vex intends to bbl
phf: well, since you're bailing, i'm just going to settle to an old goodie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106642 << if even half-seriously -- wouldn't make rack from bricks, difficult to think of material w/ worse thermal conductivity one could make rack outta
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-13 22:06:02 vex: You're a high degree mason if you can dynabolt some rails and it slides in first time everytime
asciilifeform: 'this is server rack, also doubles as pottery kiln and crematorium' lol
asciilifeform: for specialized application ( coupla disks + thermite ) may be worth. even then there are better choices imho
mats: what an epic market rout
asciilifeform: mats: not as spectacular as the 70 -> 30 episode
asciilifeform: (not to mention march of '20)
asciilifeform: then again not necessarily over
mats: the fed shows no sign of blinking yet
mats: and the retreat in markets has been very orderly
mats: definitely not over yet
asciilifeform: aint 'over' while there's still some goxleveragescum left alive sumwhere
asciilifeform: at some pt in each such episode reich finishes hoovering up the 'poorly bolted down' coinz, and then static/slow + again until next pump
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-23 13:08:03 asciilifeform: a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston
mats: the price is now at about 1:1 MVRV https://www.blockchain.com/charts/mvrv
mats: what an amazing time to accumulate
scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: lon nimi
mats: in old news, https://archive.ph/V8RSc "China's Atlantic pearl compounds U.S. fears after Solomons setback"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-13 16:57:00 phf: if i were you, i'd optimize for "what is the least amount of work i can do for max amount of compensation and still live", and then having attained that stable platform move from there, having a significantly opened up opportunity space
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106439 No. As I recall, I was doing these things anyway. I could be wrong. I did basically stumble in here and refuse to leave, in any case, sure.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-13 17:21:19 asciilifeform: iirc verisimilitude also recently read up on ip stack etc., learned ada, as side effect of following thrd
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-13 17:25:46 phf: verisimilitude was by his own admission
shinohai: tfw France makes *other* nation's armies surrender: https://archive.ph/e9TJ8
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 02:07:14 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106446 Now where did I do this, phf?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-07 15:41:31 verisimilitude: I wasn't going to use the word, but sure, phf.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-07 15:41:09 phf: verisimilitude: i believe the correct term is hikikomori
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-07 15:40:52 verisimilitude: Physically, I'm a hermit, but that's something different.
phf: verisimilitude: but i'm wrong, i didn't actually know what neet means. i thought it was another slang for hiki, but it's more precise than that
asciilifeform: hm afaik 'neet' ('not in education, employment, training') is a redditism which theoretically applies to anyone who aint wage slave, but in practice normally for young folk mooching off relatives, rather than moneybags
phf: i'm not up to date on my entomology
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-25 13:26:08 jon: nah just a humble NEET loser atm
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 16:01:55 asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform's point, can call an altcoin 'cryptodollar' or even 'cryptogold' or 'cryptouranium' but this does not somehow guarantee that, e.g., there'll be a finite supply of it, that you can transact how you want, or , most importantly, that you will be able to redeem yours for dollar/gold/uranium when you want to
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 363d 12h 41m
shinohai: 2 moar days
asciilifeform: 'Celsius does not explicitly disclose the protocols and strategies it employs to give its users upwards of 20% yield' << lol, MMM
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-21 20:26:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'm not. ever heard of MMM?
mats: the 30d volume on tether is 1.83tn
mats: absolutely bonkers velocity when the supply is about 70bn
asciilifeform: mats: there's no limit to what 'velocity' when 'tape painting'
mats: 30d volume of binance usd is at 5tn and its supply is 17.6bn
asciilifeform: mats: of what interest is this #, if it can be made -- via wash trading -- whatever the perp wants it to be ?
mats: no reason to believe that's the case
asciilifeform: evidently mats still working with null hypothesis where shitcoin artists 'innocent until proven guilty' ? lol!
asciilifeform: how many shitcoin-flavoured 'mmm' by nao tanked ? asciilifeform lost count
mats: considering the glacial pace of regular us dollars, this isn't surprising
asciilifeform: in what way 'tether' actually differs from 'luna', 'celsius', etc. ?
asciilifeform: from surface seems like precisely same thing
verisimilitude: That's a stupid question; the names are different, clearly.
mats: tether appears to take fewer risks with deposits
mats: anyway, usd M1V is about 11 in its best year
asciilifeform: mats: explain this # for folx not in the fandom ?
mats: a single dollar was used 11 times in a year
asciilifeform can't picture how anyone could know this to any kinda precision, but suppose stipulate as given. how's it pertain to tetherism ?
phf: mats is a financier, knows his openbsds from freebsds, even though to a unix hater it might all look like unix from outside, presumably identifies by all kinds of secondary characteristics.
mats: lol
signpost has no commentary on tether, but figures the US will be insisting "unprecedented!" regarding its mistakes all the way down.
signpost: I always hear some of this when e.g. "MMM" comes up. "why the fuck can't you people learn from other people's mistakes for a change?"
mats: it pertains in that the 30d velocity of a single tether is about 38
asciilifeform: numerological religions are appealing to many folx, but the trouble with numerology is that it dun actually work
asciilifeform: elementarily, the #s published by perp tell you 0 re when a pyramid will implode ( aside from the degenerate case when it is already imploding and folx running for exits , when becomes blindingly obv. ) -- or would trigger the implosion immed.
asciilifeform: ... nor do the #s published by usg & vassals have any useful fixed relationship, current or predictive, to physical reality
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106759 This sentence has an even number of odd words. I'm supposed to call this coincidence?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 13:04:08 asciilifeform: numerological religions are appealing to many folx, but the trouble with numerology is that it dun actually work
asciilifeform: ( but to expand on this, is a waste of bw, is rather reminiscent of ye olde talk.origins where folx tried to argue with creationists , lol )
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there was a notbad numerological calculator on www at one pt, which would list the steps needed to reduce $input to 666
asciilifeform: sadly lost link.
asciilifeform: sumbody oughta write a similar one for 'economic stats'.
verisimilitude: That's hilarious.
asciilifeform: would output sumthing like 'divide today's m1v by cpi from last month times Official unemployment rate...'
verisimilitude: That has a terrible failure case, however.
verisimilitude: ``I'm sorry, but I can't see how to relate this number to 666.''
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sufficiently rich bag of transforms should getcha to 666 within 1% in reasonable # of steps, i'd suspect
asciilifeform: elementary search problem.
asciilifeform: if you allow numerological ops using names of officials, prolly even easier
phf: asciilifeform: hey, you ever tried solving the problem of establishing a side channel along with your regular ssh connection? i want some way to send commands (e.g. a tcp connection) along with whatever connection i made, but using -R/-L is somehow iffy, because hardcoded port numbers, can't have more than one of the same, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: not tried this iirc
asciilifeform: nfi whether worked in living memory
asciilifeform: ( ordinary ssh tunnel illustrated in e.g. but dunno if solves for phf )
phf: yeah, it's iffy
asciilifeform: phf: if aint a seekrit, what were you trying to bake ?
phf: what i want to be able to do is basically connect to remote, and have a regular shell and an extra hidden channel, where i can send back files or paste buffer or whatever
asciilifeform historically used a separate tunnel + netcat for this
phf: yeah..
asciilifeform: 'midnight commander''s built-in 'fish' also worx for many such uses
phf: true
asciilifeform: ( for shoving files back'n'forth quickly )
phf: but for example if i want to open a browser link from remote emacs, have to copy paste
asciilifeform: a makes sense
phf: i'm solving this with a -R 123:localhost:123, with a remote `open` that connects to localhost:123, sends data, on this end a server accepts. but if i for example lose the connection, sometimes have stale 123 already open, can't have more than one connection without some port coordination. it's all kinds of gay
asciilifeform: the 'autossh' thing in earlier link solves the 'it falls down' problem, if somewhat ugly
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 13:16:37 asciilifeform: ( ordinary ssh tunnel illustrated in e.g. but dunno if solves for phf )
phf: plan9 solves this™
asciilifeform used for 'trb wires' experiment
asciilifeform: seems to handle cleanup of stale sockets correctly
phf: asciilifeform: nah, different issue. if you do a -R 123:localhost:123, port gets open on local and remote. if you drop the connection, remote keeps 123 open for a while before realized that connection is dead. so you have a window where you ssh -R 123... and remote says that the port is already open.
phf: maybe autossh attempts to kill previous remotes, i dunno
phf: but i had an idea. i'm going to write a multiplexer!
asciilifeform not noticed this problem when used 'autossh' , but may simply be artifact of the connection having been uncommonly stable
asciilifeform: sumbody (possibly even phf) some yrs ago linked to a multiplexer thing which ciphrates an' udp's small gibblets. iirc written by a fella who sat on satellite dish for many yrs
asciilifeform: can't atm find the link tho
asciilifeform: ( signpost might remember )
asciilifeform not tried
asciilifeform: dunno if easily turned into 'pipe links to emacs' thing phf mentioned, but possibly if turn the right knobs
asciilifeform suspects that netcat alone with correct knobs could suffice for 'throw unseekrit string b/w machines' in '1liner'
phf: so here's what plan9 does: all devices are files, mount/bind combo lets you take directory (or multiple directories) and assign them to a end point (e.g. there's no $PATH, instead you bind whatever you need to /bin), namespaces are inhereted by process and finally p9 is networked
phf: so the combo gets you the following
phf: so their "ssh", called "cpu" gives you a shell that runs remote commands, but the connection process arranges the namespace to be partially from the local machine. so like /home/foo is remote /bin is remote, but /dev/console is local, /dev/sound is local, /dev draw is local
phf: so you run a remote program, let's say "jpeg" which renders jpeg files to /dev/draw. `jpeg foo.jpg` it runs on the remote machine and reads remote file, but when it tries to open standard drawing device actually connects to your machine instead
asciilifeform: a, rather like x tunnel but generalized
phf: generalized, because same principle applays to e.g. sound players, remote process opens remote files but connects to /dev/sound which gets proxied to your local machine
asciilifeform: what if want to play sound on the remote box ? ( are these selectable somehow? )
phf: yeah, you fully control what your "namespace" is. so "everything" is accessible somewhere in the hierarchy. you just arrange the binds how you want
asciilifeform played with 'plan9' 20y ago, but not since, thought 'nifty', sadly went to same place where errything else good and bright goes
phf: there's also no vt (there's a program called vt though to emulate if needed), your console is /dev/cons a bidirectional dumb stream, but you can also open /dev/draw and get canvas of the current window
asciilifeform: notbad. the kinda things that are possible if system was actually ~designed~ rather than shat
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106748 << the guy's that can't prove they even have deposits? the guys admitting a lot of the reserves are chinese paper?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 12:42:41 mats: tether appears to take fewer risks with deposits
punkman: I guess a lot of people like them because they've been pumping price for years
asciilifeform: 'errybody' luvvs a pyramid (until day x)
punkman: wasn't bitfinex made by 16 year old at bitcointalk? in the before times
asciilifeform: dun recall, but wouldn't surprise
asciilifeform: the elementary fact that 'pump' inevitably followed by 'dump' at some pt, not detachable, like the opposite poles of magnet aint detachable -- eternally lost on some folx
phf: formal term for "pyramid until day x" is risk management
asciilifeform: there's exactly 1 'risk management algo' that worx on pyramids -- 'stay out'
asciilifeform: ( unless yer the perp, that is, then +ev if yer legs are quick enuff )
phf: asciilifeform: i understand it's a kind of position metaphor, but that's not factually true. risk management is not about 0 risk, it's about ~managing~ risk. can have risk in high values of p, but against high payoff, and despite statistics being the mother of lies, can have a ballpark of exposure, return, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: statistics only worx if you've some kinda usable givens
phf: you have e.g. professional poker players where risk management implies very conserative strategies
punkman: I haven't seen any company/entity publicly admit that it has send billion actual dollars to buy Tether. (not that I've been looking though)
asciilifeform: aha, but only worx if the game is played by rules, rather than with marked cards
phf: but you also have 2007 when risk management was "the p's are very high, but the return/losses are amazing".
phf: asciilifeform: if you recall from shalamov "marked cards" were essential element of prison card game, the trick was to cheat and not get caught, but catch a cheat and call him out, effectively. which is the essential nature of the game.
phf: in this case point not prison, but rather an environment of clarified game theoretical properties
phf: likewise in finance. i sort of agree with you on points of principle, but i can't fault reality for realitying. it follows that if one were to participate, or analyze, can't reject on the grounds of "unfair"
signpost admits there are folks that are great at this civilization-scale "core wars"
phf: hence risk management is, from your principled perspective, "how many times can steal, before caught, how much stand to gain" etc.
phf: and even from that perspective not ever 0, but rather depends on goals and personalities of people involved. for some p=.9 is "so you're saying, i've got a chance"
asciilifeform: phf: if one actually has some kinda data -- can statisticize. if only noise (esp. noise generated by the perp) -- not so much
asciilifeform: signpost: it aint clear to asciilifeform that 'successful financists' are 'good at the core wars' rather than simply socially positioned sufficiently near the spigot
asciilifeform: or that 'good at stealing without being caught' rather than simply 'too wellborn to punish when caught'
phf: asciilifeform: that's like your opinion maan
phf: i mean it's a rhetorical "aint clear", which is some kind of "one wonders", but can also be read as "i have no idea" :p
asciilifeform well aware that this is 'religious' pov -- and quite heretical to folx who like to picture that they, too , could 'successful financist' if write just right magick proggy
signpost has The Physics of Wall St enqueued to try to make more personally clear.
signpost: but I'm too dumb with too little time allocated to this, so my strategy to date has been "wait until greater powers break things that seem valuable, and buy some"
phf: asciilifeform: that's another hedge, you're a master hedge builder. /i/ don't think i could successfully financist, nor did i imply that by what i'm saying. i believe it or not like to see reality clear even if that clarity shows that i'm not the best of boys.
asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform recs a tour of duty consulting at 1 of the various 'corewars shops' , to grasp subj
asciilifeform: is pretty interesting to observe how actually worx
asciilifeform: ( talking to folx in these who spent whole life in subj, also informative, tho doesn't produce 'pics or didnt happen'(tm) that one can then link to folx on the net )
signpost: I'm sure there's all manner of corruption and collusion with the central bank et al.
phf: and that's also the kind of information that business shares with a programmer while standing at the cooler :p
phf: gtfo
signpost: sure, one could consider these things within the arena of play.
asciilifeform: phf: lolnope. tho the basic 'seekrit' aint any kinda seekrit at all -- when the pro gamblers lose a bet, generally cover with nearly-phree credit (which on acct of printolade becomes payable off with future winnings)
asciilifeform: i.e. the thing which actually powers entire reich on all levels
signpost: gonna bow out of this thread, but it does seem to my amateur eye that different banks were making different calls about how 2022 would go at the beginning of the year, and some of them were right.
asciilifeform: signpost: observe that the folx who 'were wrong' are still inbiz
asciilifeform: (and the chairs still have their yachts)
asciilifeform: it aint 'aztec basketball' where loser's head becomes the ball for next round.
asciilifeform: ( occasionally, in 'famous' crashes, somebody is chosen & sacrificed, but not often )
signpost: we agree that the sovereign has no honor, and rewards loyalty above virtue.
signpost bbl gents
asciilifeform: picture if you could get 0% loan whenever, with ~no time parameter. could also be 'great financist', and could as easily do it in vegas as in nyse
phf: and i was in the thread for concrete subject, that is the nature of risk management, on account of it being misrepresented. i grew up in soviet union, heard this type of talk plenty in kitchens, still to this day.
asciilifeform: phf: let's see if you agree w/ asciilifeform's game-theoretical model for subj. yer on a slow-moving train, with no windows, and know that at some pt will go off cliff. erry kilometre you get, say, 1000$ dropped in yer pocket.
asciilifeform: what's the mathematically correct 'play' ?
asciilifeform: (or is model not applicable? if so why)
asciilifeform: model for pyramid , that is.
asciilifeform: the machinist in the locomotive -- has a window. he can see cliff, usually (unless drunk)
phf: you can't just keep tweaking your game to make your point, because shows your hand
asciilifeform: phf: asciilifeform had exactly 1 point, but not sure if made clear
phf: which is not to actually participate in a game theoretical analysis (which i can only do rather superficially at this point, it's been decades, anyway), but to make some kind of rambling point about it all being rigged and everyone being a scamer
asciilifeform: sole point was that mathematics will not help if there's nuffin to mathematicize with (and in a 'mmm' there normally aint)
asciilifeform: there's only the choice of whether to walk in or not
asciilifeform: an 'mmm' does not even rise to the level of e.g. american state lotteries, where the odds are printed on the ticket and permit an elementary ev calc
asciilifeform: 'risk calculation' actually worx, as taught in kindergarten, at e.g. horse track -- for so long as the race is run by rules, and the bets actually paid as agreed, rather than e.g. gestapo comes and confiscates the horses and all of the dough
phf: asciilifeform: you've also by the way commited the cardinal sin of game theory, which is also how the likes of bernanke and co get away with whatever they do. you're begging the question, that is choosing a particular game to illustrate a point by establishing an unsupported equivalence.
asciilifeform: phf: asciilifeform willing to listen re why the offered equiv. aint factual
asciilifeform: imho -- factual
phf: asciilifeform: lol, that's not how it works, you have to build an argument for why factual. because "don't know when the train falls" is the core of your position, but it's presented in a game as a given
asciilifeform: afaik no way for pyramid players to know anyffin re where cliff is
asciilifeform: ( excepting those connected with the perp )
asciilifeform: if yer a telepath -- can win. but otherwise ?
phf: these are all just hypotheticals and speculations presented as facts, i don't know how to respond to t hat
phf: one could e.g. make study of pyramids, identify their various inflection points, and then perhaps have a clearer idea, but maybe not. structured instrument pyramids are a lot more structured than "one mavrodi one mmm", can put further constraints on the process.
phf: there's by the way a further point to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106883 and why this conversation is unproductive
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 14:30:35 phf: asciilifeform: you've also by the way commited the cardinal sin of game theory, which is also how the likes of bernanke and co get away with whatever they do. you're begging the question, that is choosing a particular game to illustrate a point by establishing an unsupported equivalence.
asciilifeform: for folx who believe they can infer , from public givens, when a pyramid is to fall -- there is ~inf dough
asciilifeform: 'флаг в руки'
phf: which is that you're trying to prove an argument, rather than make an honest discovery into the subject. you have no skin in game beyond the substance of the argument. if you for example, and by accident or intentionally, had some money running on a pyramid, might be a lot more interested in attempting to present viable models. even if "wake up from coma discovered that all money in mmm" if you were then to pull out, would have +ev, yet
phf: somehow invalid? nothing to learn? no objective reality to it?
phf: and before "man on gallows looks for signs" comment on "viable model", there's a thin line there, but it exists
asciilifeform: phf: not yet been in 'mmm coma' but for instance one time bet 1btc on sdice, won. not played again, because had no reason to think 'i've a winning model!'
phf: you presumably hold btc :>
asciilifeform: believe or not
phf: anyway, i love a good срач as much as the next guy (next guy being signpost), gotta bow out
asciilifeform: ( but (also believe or not) not because 'to moon!' but because is actually useful )
phf: i remember old log also at some point becoming a major time sync. kind of hard to match the participating of a guy with +++btc and ++++time :p
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-18 20:11:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046430 << this oughta be direct q for mats : what aspects of current-day bitcoin are you 'married' to, in such a way that their demolition would be from your pov 'the end of' it ?
asciilifeform sadly only '+time' , and also must bbl
verisimilitude: I agree with asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: I actually would stop, if I were to come across a banker on fire, not to piss on him, but in an attempt to take his wallet before it also burns.
verisimilitude: It's good to find comfort.
phf: verisimilitude: he's certainly in good company
verisimilitude: ``Fuck, why does my wrist hurt so much. I thought I was getting better. Oh right, the cat sliced it open; that's a relief.''
verisimilitude: Get it right: He certainly would be in good company.
phf: the grammar of this idiom implies a hypothetical, which is how it's usually used. i'm not speaking idiomatically, stating the fait accompli: as a result of your statement asciilifeform found himself in good company.
verisimilitude: That was my second guess.
verisimilitude: It's unfortunate I misunderstood, then.
verisimilitude: I'd thought we were discussing the hypothetical burning banker.
asciilifeform: punkman: there's long series of these , 'the Great Cleansing will wipe planet clean of filth at last'. in practice sadly never quite happens
asciilifeform: ( hypothetically could e.g. discover that p==np and you can't have a bitcoin at all, then all the maggots maggoting on top of it could die with it, but not prior )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-18 19:59:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046402 << pretty sure we had at least one 'what does it mean to ask whether bitcoin still works?' thread, and not long ago
asciilifeform: punkman: that bomb will blow, 'when, not if', likely being saved for after the next (or n-th) pump, i.e. stroke of the piston
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-23 13:08:03 asciilifeform: a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston
mats: that comment is exceptionally incoherent
asciilifeform: mats: which ?
mats: the reddit
asciilifeform: mats: seems like iso standard 'soon the fools will return to mother church, good old benjies that, even if printed in unlimited qty, can still buy mcfood and therefore the one troo currency of our 10,000 year reich 4evah'
mats: 'rats will collude to prop up the price' and then ends subsection with 'all turn on each other in scramble for door'
asciilifeform: a habitual reddit smoker prolly has bookmarks of over9000 of these. during justabout erry dump, new crop
signpost: in other fetishes, mudila phone now works. had to get a new sim card and factory reset.
asciilifeform: ( during 'pump', similar but with 'flipped sign bit' -- 'soon erryone will dump worthless old green for $coin, with which didjaknow can even buy cars' etc )
asciilifeform: signpost: didn't work prev.?
signpost: in terms of being a LTE brick I can talk into, nb so far.
asciilifeform seems to only recall signpost's report that it worked on uncrating
mats: slow motion celsius implosion is good news
signpost: asciilifeform: for some reason, the SIM I pulled from an iPhone couldn't send texts.
mats: defi is retarded
asciilifeform: signpost: odd
asciilifeform: signpost: iirc some pnojes req. config of 'apn' etc for sms/data/voice separately
signpost: could've been not the SIM, but the factory reset, no idear.
asciilifeform wishes could still get old-style copper phone ln
asciilifeform: the 'five nines' kind
asciilifeform: sadly in this shithole they only exist where nuffin else does
asciilifeform in new pad, as in old, the copper hangs sadly , chopped at the pole, and in the box on the latter -- bird's nest
verisimilitude: I read ``copper'' as meaning ``policeman'' for just a moment.
verisimilitude: I'd be sad also if I were hanged.
verisimilitude: I overheard talk of the ``unplugged phone'' today, signpost. I tried to point out the oxymoronic name and stupid supposed guarantees, to deaf ears.
signpost: what the fuck do I care? it's quiet, and does the few things I want.
phf: i'm thinking of setting up a canvas tent outside for summer work, complete with elephant caliber rifle and a pith helmet
signpost: only sensible what with the epidemic of appalachian pachyderm attacks
phf: i already brew tea, this way can have stove, when friends come will refer to them as "m'boy"
phf: will have a little library consisting purely of the likes of jerome k jerome, conan doyle and kipling
phf: which is the bulk of what i read anyway, if you remove ru
phf: brilliant, i say, wot
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106953 << gruesome, savage beasts, but enough of the locals.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 19:05:05 signpost: only sensible what with the epidemic of appalachian pachyderm attacks
signpost: bwahaha
signpost: I did most of my "work from home" on the porch here while the weather was nice. made a point to have the camera show as much beautiful weather to the californians living in their boxes as possible.
signpost: was particularly entertaing when their sky was orange atop cowering from the plague.
signpost: if one gotta type, why not type in one's element! (shakes jowls)
signpost: anyway, why care about the phone. it's heidegger's "ready-to-hand" concept. the human mind prepares the disclosed uses of the tool when tool's in hand.
phf: engineering is a base form of employment, but one can't leave it all to babus, they'll make an awful mess of it
signpost: hammer in hand, "everything's a nail" in the subjunctive.
signpost: iphone is therefore the tool from hell.
phf: and yet only in the hands of the civilized sort, when, time and time has this been demonstrated indeed in the most unfortunate, for the englishmen who had the misfortunate to participate, way, given to a savage it turns from a tool for hammering nails into the tool for hammering heads.
signpost: mhm, one has to inspect oneself for how much immersion in savagery seeps into himself, and remember that he an example both of himself and his kind.
phf: indeed not a few of the better sort of men have in the moments of passion, or when reduced to such by circumstances, have turned to savegery of the most despicable kind, which we necessarily must condemn, yet, one certainly must agree that not every sort of kind of man posseses the natural capacity for civilized living.
phf: goodness, i seem to have come in a possession of a lush mustache, since i decided to entertain this line of behavior, fancy a bit a buggery?
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106952 << if you don't grow a handlebar mustache, and exclaim "By Jove!" when folx are speaking with you, this endeavour will fail.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 19:02:31 phf: i'm thinking of setting up a canvas tent outside for summer work, complete with elephant caliber rifle and a pith helmet
signpost: not my cup of tea old chap, but may I introduce you to another
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-09 17:42:27 verisimilitude: I could continue on this sexual topic, but it would reveal a deeply unusual nature, so let's not.
verisimilitude: What, signpost?
asciilifeform: phf, signpost : lol! 'take up the white man's burden!'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106958 << asciilifeform has seen folx observe that 'merry old england' today mostly exists in heads of ru folx of '70s-'80s gens !
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 19:07:44 phf: which is the bulk of what i read anyway, if you remove ru
asciilifeform splendid place, a++ would move there if could
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-14#1106954 << lol, asciilifeform already pictured current phf in precisely this style
asciilifeform: ( horse somewhere outta frame )
TomServo: Ahoy Gentlemen.
TomServo: I'm slowly getting back in the saddle after a long relocation effort. Glad to see all these familiar names still active.
TomServo: I came to pester (nyuk) asciilifeform with a question about his rockchip gentoo build guide, but eventually figured it out. The sshd_config does not allow empty passwords, so unable to login out of the box. Perhaps a note in the guide?
TomServo: Also, I think the paths for net and hostname config should be /mnt/usb/etc/conf.d/* rather than /mnt/usb/conf.d/* no?
asciilifeform: wb TomServo !
TomServo: asciilifeform: Greetings, thankya.
asciilifeform: TomServo: here's key for asciilifeform's station on current pestnet. asciilifeform recs to join.
asciilifeform: TomServo: dulapnet will be retired at some pt, prolly this yr
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-27 12:59:10 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-27#1089476 << asciilifeform aint much concerned w/ 'future versions of irc' as has 0 plans to use'em for anyffin. in fact plans to retire the dulapnet irc at some pt when pest 100% mature
TomServo: The rockchip was my first step towards a pest station, I look forward to seeing you there.
asciilifeform: TomServo: shouldn't take you more than half hr or so to revv it up. feel free to ask here in #a if run into headache.
asciilifeform: thimbronion and jonsykkel (authors of the current proto clients) both here, usually answr within day
asciilifeform must bbl
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