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decimation: not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory
asciilifeform: external << worth pointing out that i did not build with 'period' libs.
decimation: nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/potentially-catastrophic-bug-bites-all-versions-of-windows-patch-now/ << WinBleed
assbot: Potentially catastrophic bug bites all versions of Windows. Patch now | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: s/patch/exploit
BingoBoingo: Refresh, someone found the old door, time for a new door
asciilifeform: someone << ru
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> if yes, mark as good with git bisect <<< interesting approach.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? << this is undoubtedly the case for at least some wedgings
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing.
asciilifeform far more familiar than wanted to be
mircea_popescu: "A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed.
asciilifeform: arbitrary remote code exec
mircea_popescu: either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored)
asciilifeform: not necessarily 'replica' of anything
ben_vulpes: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000008.html
asciilifeform: microshit is the ultimate execution of 'plausibly deniable' usg mandate.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: congratulate the author
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you may find that my patches rely on one another
asciilifeform: ('patch' util is dumb as a rock)
mircea_popescu: "Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug."
asciilifeform: (re: 'compile with posted patches individually' idea)
mircea_popescu: the exact definition of "notabug"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they almost always print 'no mitigating factors' (as in, must install update or die)
mircea_popescu: good for 'em.
asciilifeform: incidentally, some folks may wonder why microshit even bothers to announce pwnholes
asciilifeform: answer is, in many cases, they don't (often people reverse engineer them from recent patches)
asciilifeform: and when they do, part of the reason is to goad lusers to force-update
asciilifeform: so they can develop new orifices.
decimation: 'the (upgrade) bell tolls for thee'
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/chris-popple-of-rbs-in-regards-to-bitcoin-were-definitely-interested-in-it/
mircea_popescu: lol bankers saying things
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.0, vol: 11750.93845470 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 379.454, vol: 9041.59829 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.32, vol: 21072.94259007 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 379.7664, vol: 126158.41850000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.99, vol: 3.08140637 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 373.1221, vol: 76.77593578 | Volume-weighted last average: 380.152910076
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 329647 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 976 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40021602789.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.0553
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 277659570.962
ben_vulpes: is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
ben_vulpes: interest, value...
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session
jurov: lol cazalla
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141112 05:22] either they stole openssh code (unlikely) << not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it.
jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format?
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html should spring into life when they are received
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki
assbot: bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/internet-service-providers-stripping-starttls-flag/
assbot: Internet Service Providers Stripping STARTTLS Flag | Qntra.net
cazalla: gee, you're up early/late BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Learly.
cazalla: scoopbot once again will not get the scoop
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/peter-vessenes-half-a-billion-dollars-to-be-spent-on-asics-over-18-months/
assbot: Peter Vessenes: Half A Billion Dollars To Be Spent On ASICs Over 18 Months | Qntra.net
jurov: "defunct Bitcoin Foundation" hah
jurov: cazalla i had to rerad it several times
jurov: reread
cazalla: i've had a few drinks but what is wrong with it
jurov: first i was wtf, vessesnes is speaking in the nme of samsung?
cazalla: well why not? he speaks in the name of bitcoin
jurov: then wtf, no, ne is representing $1B investors?
jurov: and then "oh he's just yapping alone"
cazalla: it's what he said
jurov: what she said.
cazalla: "Much of the money will go directly to foundries with the highest technology in the world, including Samsung, Intel and TSMC"
cazalla: maybe i need another beer for clarity
cazalla: i'm sure it will make sense then
jurov: whatever
jurov: i read the source, too and this chuckleworthy info was snuck in the end:
jurov: The Bitcoin Foundation is in discussions with Korean firms and financial authorities about setting up a Bitcoin foundation in Korea.
cazalla: jurov, do you think the qntra article is bad?
jurov: it's just copied from source
cazalla: well, not much else one can add with something like that, his talk isn't online so difficult to know what else he said
jurov: the source continues "Samsung is one of a few chipmakers capable of producing 10-nonometer(sic!)-class chips."
jurov: which clarifies things
jurov: why he singled out samsung
jurov: i don't think it's bad, just..idk, maybe someone else can pinpoint it better
cazalla: i'll re-read tmw when sober
jurov: dunno what is with all the drinking in this chan
jurov: at home i'm okay with just a glass of beer or wine
jurov: and when not at home, i dont publish stuff :)
cazalla: well i suffer from this problem that i have 1, which is good, so 2 must be great, 3 is awesome and that's that
cazalla: it's my pain medicine as well
cazalla: medicinal alcohol
jurov: lol "medicinal alcohol" is 90% stuff :DDD
jurov: but yea i see what you mean
BingoBoingo: It's better than getting arrested in Silk Road scam
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nixon-tries-to-reassure-public-as-people-prepare-for-the/article_0208b781-ee94-5a1e-8c62-af5e894acf6a.html
assbot: Nixon tries to reassure public, as people prepare for the worst : News
cazalla: BingoBoingo, think it'll be bad? they only smashed a few things after zimmerman was found not guilty
BingoBoingo: Zimmerman was also a Hispanic Jew so also kind of on the minority spectrum, also not a police officer.
BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/08/29/professors-robots-protest-u-iowas-pink-locker-room
assbot: Professors, robots protest U. of Iowa's pink locker room @insidehighered
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=850128.0 << Forum Drama
assbot: Apologies to anyone who read my posts last night!
BingoBoingo: Oh, systemd documented ruining people's days in the wild http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592
assbot: oss-sec: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning
chetty: hahahaha I just saw what has to be the funniest traffic snarl ever. The train barrier on one side is stuck and cars/busses/trucks backed up as far as the eye can see. But its a one way street and the other side is wide open, nothing stoppping people just drive to the left ...
BingoBoingo: Nice
chetty: people really are sheeps
TomServo: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mike_c: down for me
TomServo: same here
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op
mircea_popescu: not so unlike sharing privkeys from a purely bitcoin perspective
mircea_popescu: cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i.
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it.
mircea_popescu: the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is.
mircea_popescu: jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe
mircea_popescu: r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else.
mircea_popescu: this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole.
mircea_popescu: the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it.
nubbins`: <+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit
nubbins`: works about 20% of the time
asciilifeform: my favourite 'sheep experiment' is at a place not far from where i live, where one can rent 'sea bicycles' - little boats that one can pedal around. usually folks cluster together, for no good reason. pedal to an empty part of the water, and dozens follow...
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i hear that's how serial killers get started
asciilifeform: it had no practical consequence, but blew my mind when i discovered it many years ago.
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: no scoopbot, no peterl... wha happened here!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl seems teh code didn't werk.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
saifedean: "so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer...
mircea_popescu: now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad.
mircea_popescu: you are not a prehistoric man. you will never be one.
saifedean: But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't!
asciilifeform can't wait to see folks follow the 'logical' paleo conclusion, and climb back into the trees
mike_c: which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization?
saifedean: "what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal.
asciilifeform: mike_c: the part when you're high out of your mind on placebocin
mike_c: placebocin is the best drugz
mircea_popescu: saifedean you'll generally find poor people foods are better than "rich people" foods.
mircea_popescu: pork an' beans ftw.
saifedean: also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you.
mike_c: pork & rice & beans even better
mircea_popescu: srsly, that's your idea, instead of a nice pot of beans cooked with a smoked leg over a day and a night
mircea_popescu: you want to just eat the leg ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i dun care for rice in that one, but hey, matter of ethnocentric taste.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud art de vany
gribble: http://ro.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vany%20Vicious | Tattoo Artist and Model from Miami,FL. ... Vany Vicious is a hardcore bitch. ... de TatooLoverYEah 10 Ianuarie 2012 adaugă un clip video adaugă o imagine.
asciilifeform: dietary cargo cults are mega-lulz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw,
mircea_popescu: and way the fuck beyond what i imagined posible.
punkman: check out the leaderboard http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trusted
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mircea_popescu: technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so.
mircea_popescu: punkman how's teh rating work ?
punkman: l1+l2 of assbot
mircea_popescu: lol mk.
asciilifeform wonders how often taleb-like figures wander into 'paleo' cult strange, after they really felt stronger - but not from eating raw antelope, but from the real win of being set free from workschwitz - that being, sleeping ad libitum.
mircea_popescu: scalar sums of graphs still broken.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i just did that ?
mircea_popescu: it feels fine.
nubbins`: fad diets are a pretty good lel
mircea_popescu: as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too"
nubbins`: p just started keeping track of calories in/out and balancing carbs/protein/fat
nubbins`: it's been less than a year, she can deadlift her own body weight and has dropped ~30lbs :0
nubbins`: i keep saying i won't be impressed til she can deadlift me, but secretly... ;p
mircea_popescu: who the fuck can't lift their own body weight
mircea_popescu: isn't that esentially what a chinup is ?
nubbins` thinks
nubbins`: there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets
mircea_popescu: but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight
nubbins`: you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up
mircea_popescu: i guess, but you're left picking for straws here.
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
nubbins`: i'd wager maybe three people in here can do a single chin-up
mircea_popescu: i thought you got all buthurt and pankake'd out on us, mr paleo man.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i can do ten.
saifedean: heh... my butt is hurtproof, my internet connection, though
nubbins`: well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us
nubbins`: :P
nubbins`: anyway, try deadlifting your own weight on a barbell some time
saifedean: I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork.
nubbins`: and LMK how it goes.
nubbins`: saifedean pork is delicious and cheap
nubbins`: beef is the bottom of my list
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ?
nubbins`: i think vex earned that crown
saifedean: though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all
nubbins`: i'd love to try reindeer
mircea_popescu: human is the best of all!
nubbins`: i'd try grass-fed human
nubbins`: avg sack of shit would prolly poison you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia.
nubbins`: well i guess it's not the same thing at all then, is it :D
ben_vulpes gasps
mircea_popescu: but technique is not what i thought we were discussing here.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger!
ben_vulpes: *in
nubbins`: if we're trying to equate chinups with deadlifts, technique is precisely what we're discussing
mircea_popescu: i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit
saifedean: The Art de Vany I mentioned is not the one that Urban dictionary turned up, it is this man: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/
assbot: Art De Vany on Line - Results
mircea_popescu: can it be art vandalay ?
saifedean: 77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum
mircea_popescu: uh.
nubbins`: (a) in awe, yep (b) not even close
nubbins`: by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom
nubbins`: by eating like a normal person and not "paleo" (wtf!) she lost weight
mircea_popescu: saifedean if i add mah assassin cult to nubbins`'s here powerlifter chick, art vandalay guy is in a world of trouble.
nubbins`: but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together
ben_vulpes: i weary of this paleo proselytism
mircea_popescu: that's because you're not eating right
mircea_popescu: them wheats talking outta ya.
nubbins`: yeah dude
nubbins`: if god wanted you to eat cooked meat, he woulda installed a furnace in your throat
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mircea_popescu: !b 1
nubbins`: er wait did paleo man have fire?
mircea_popescu: sources disagree.
ben_vulpes: reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi
nubbins`: did he have beef, pork, and chicken?
saifedean: hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult
mircea_popescu: nubbins` mostly squirrel.
nubbins`: ah
ben_vulpes: new meaning to "spamgun"
nubbins`: so really, a paleo diet is raw squirrel meat, berries, occasional leaves for roughage
nubbins`: sounds totally healthy and easy for modern man to adapt to
nubbins`: i can see why it's popular
mircea_popescu: anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal.
mircea_popescu: humans ate principally carcass.
mircea_popescu: they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade.
nubbins`: paleo timeshares
saifedean: nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works
nubbins`: "cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1.
nubbins`: saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth
nubbins`: *from
mircea_popescu: saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent.
nubbins`: "our" bodies adjust to shit all the time
nubbins`: case in point: lactose
mircea_popescu: otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says"
nubbins`: you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill?
saifedean: nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly
nubbins`: and thye kept doing it and now i can eat pizza with impunity?
nubbins`: saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction
mircea_popescu: saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ?
nubbins` challenges himself to eliminate sourdough from diet
nubbins`: wait, that's retarded. no i don't.
mircea_popescu: but it'd be a challenge! and you're like, a 15 yo male.
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: once upon a time
saifedean: mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting.
mircea_popescu: see, THAT's why you're fat nubbins.
nubbins`: i think i'm fat because i lead a sedentary lifestyle
nubbins`: but hey, tall skinny guys get pushed around
mircea_popescu: saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for.
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no they don't.
saifedean: that's a good start, but you need to also eat lots of animal fat, which is absolutely very good for you.. and you need to view doing carbs like an addiction, not a healthy food.
ben_vulpes: o.O
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzSjiDDtlIE
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mircea_popescu: i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even!
nubbins` gazes at meat grinder, fridge full of shoulder, lack of potatoes in cupboard
nubbins`: tell me more about how to be healthy
saifedean: finally, "speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ?" < Absolutely, once you've tried a carbs-free girl, you'll never go back!
nubbins`: carbs-free :0
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: that is quite not what i meant.
mircea_popescu: your analogy is broken, you don't eat 150k year old meat, so you don't eat paleo in THAT sense.
ben_vulpes: dafuq is trailer park boys
mircea_popescu: what i meant is, do you fuck like a paleo guy, if you try to eat like one.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sounds like a band of twinks.
saifedean: you should never fuck vegetarians. your should eat vegetarians.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu acetone-breath from ketogenic diet? i'd say he does.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes canadian television, it's uh, a thing
mircea_popescu: lol knock em out, fuck 'em raw
mircea_popescu: for maximum trollage points, that pua "executive executant" derp should rebrand his nonsense as paleo dating
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQc-ldoX3yI
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mircea_popescu: now THAT'd be true scandal. hollyday derp has nfi how to "strategize", you don't attack large submissive groups like women. you attack small but desperate groups.
mircea_popescu: jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot.
saifedean: well, my personal experience is that it does make a big difference to one's sex life... it raises testosterone levels beyond what is considered 'normal' levels today
mircea_popescu: what sort of a standardisation group is this!
mircea_popescu: saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ?
saifedean: no, you get to do more for your cock
mircea_popescu: so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ?
saifedean: that's a prerequisite for going paleo
ben_vulpes: blue dollar's been dropping?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops.
mircea_popescu: it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt"
mircea_popescu: dollar took a nosedive to like 11s, almost what it was in spring.
mircea_popescu: back to 13 now tho.
ben_vulpes: more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh
mircea_popescu: well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves
mircea_popescu: and even shorter experience.
mircea_popescu: most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought.
nubbins`: pero... pero...
mircea_popescu: pero perro.
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: perro por favor!
mircea_popescu: and in today's funny spanish por gringos : one way to say butt in spanish is... tonel. literally, tun.
ben_vulpes: "tu tonel pesa un tonel"?
ben_vulpes: uno
mircea_popescu: i think it's a volume measure.
BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx1Urpcyfw
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ben_vulpes: as in mash tun?
mircea_popescu: as in 8 barrels.
mircea_popescu: (to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway)
ben_vulpes: ha
nubbins`: dem weights & measures
nubbins`: my old man wrote a book once
nubbins`: i suppose the tun and the butt are in it
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell vexual http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/ there, just for you.
assbot: Venetian Republic and Find spiritual music. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/uploads/3/1/1/9/3119807/header_images/1392752910.jpg << what the shit is going on in the 4th image ?!
mircea_popescu: http://arthurdevany.com/case-experience.html "Estimated the delay to the production of “Once Upon A Wedding” caused by food poisoning of the cast and crew."
assbot: Case Experience - Arthur De Vany Consulting
mircea_popescu: "On behalf of Universal Studios, The project was to examine and estimate the impact of piracy on box-office revenues for Universal’s 2003 release of the motion picture The Hulk. Modeled the dynamics of box office revenue and its relation to the number of sites and downloads of a pirated copy."
mircea_popescu: this guy's made a career out of numberology.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: wd. what gave it away ?
BingoBoingo: First blockquote
mircea_popescu: more power to ya. addy ?
BingoBoingo: 1EJdNnzH9TaryxhS9Wg2VnSUqKHZgiJgx4
mircea_popescu: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2013/09/statins-and-exercise.html << incidentally, this is an excellent point.
assbot: Statins and Exercise - Art De Vany on Line
mircea_popescu: more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons.
mircea_popescu: basically stuff is selected for that "does no harm" in a particularly short sighted definition of "no".
mircea_popescu: i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another.
mircea_popescu: much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight,
mircea_popescu: the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in particular statins are an excellent example of this insanity.
mircea_popescu: "want to destroy your kidneys over 3 or so decades while curing yourself from something that's allegedly bad ? pay us 1k a year!"
BingoBoingo: Well cholesterol controlling medication has gone through this for a few generations already.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?"
mircea_popescu: except, on a more subtle, thus more pernicious level.
mircea_popescu: people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance.
mircea_popescu: that's a third of the us economy, and about 30% of the eu.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this
mircea_popescu: go right ahead.
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies
mircea_popescu: tadalafil etc may be too soon to know.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure methotrexate is not on that list.
BingoBoingo: tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject.
mircea_popescu: even so.
BingoBoingo: The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death"
mircea_popescu: this is a good objection
mircea_popescu: i mean, sulpha drugs are great
mircea_popescu: the notion of taking a pill a day for the rest of your life however ...
mircea_popescu: but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing.
BingoBoingo: Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though...
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to eat. later all!
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 329716 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39944661549.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86102
TomServo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.1, Best ask: 420.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 420.1, 24 hour volume: 28154.26058302, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 421.13, 24 hour vwap: 392.399632228
TomServo: Quite the ramp today. Surprised ThickAsTheives isn't around for all this action.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.13, Best ask: 434.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 434.13, 24 hour volume: 29965.14739803, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681
ben_vulpes: dang lookit her go
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.35, Best ask: 432.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 432.05, 24 hour volume: 30185.42680255, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-prices-cross-430/
assbot: Bitcoin Prices Cross $430 | Qntra.net
punkman: no more cheap coins
BingoBoingo: Wat, I just earned 0.1 BTC for reading Trilema, Vexual edition.
gernika: !s TaT
assbot: 1220 results for 'TaT' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=TaT
thestringpuller: where is scoopbot
thestringpuller: scoopbot don't got the scoop?
BingoBoingo: The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work
punkman: maybe I should setup RSS plugin for notarybot
thestringpuller: notarybot is merging with scoopbot?
punkman: probably not
punkman: notary, status
notary: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 day, 12 hours, and 28 minutes ago
punkman: I like typing that
thestringpuller: notary, make sandwich
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CDPKSX.txt )
danielpbarron: !b 4
BingoBoingo: notary, echo ;;ticker
BingoBoingo: Debian lulz https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00144.html
assbot: Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
saifedean: thanks for the voice bingoboingo
BingoBoingo: You're welcome
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded
saifedean: What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin?
thestringpuller: they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on)
thestringpuller: they seem to be late to parties a lot too
nubbins`: winkdex is best dex
nubbins`: can't trust them jaws tho
nubbins`: two days ago i realized i'd been waiting a month and a half for 18 unfiltered uv tubes from acklands-grainger
nubbins`: "fuck those assholes, i'm buying from somewhere else"
nubbins`: today i get an email saying my bulbs have arrived :0
asciilifeform: jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404
thestringpuller: good 'ol hanbot
nubbins`: neither that good nor that old
thestringpuller: she is the evil twin
hanbot: howdy
hanbot: nubbins wanna see my complaint dept? :D
thestringpuller: i would assume that is just a box that leads to a shredder
nubbins`: ;;google teeth (2007)
gribble: Teeth (2007) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780622/>; Teeth (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_(film)>; Teeth (2007) - Movie Trailer - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-qd-k0Vg7s>
hanbot: nah, gotta have souring agents to make good pickles
nubbins` guffaws
nubbins`: was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide?
hanbot: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ << that? yeah.
assbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
asciilifeform: 'shall be delivered' << imho the single most educational piece of crypto-related fiction ever written.
asciilifeform: belongs on the mandatory reading list for cultured people of the future, right next to 'the cold equations'
hanbot: ha! color me flattered
hanbot: mp oughta be goaded into making moar writing contests, they're fun
thestringpuller: It is national novel writing month
asciilifeform: that tale carries much of the blame for luring me into this den of vice.
hanbot: a far worthier prize then than that 5 btc!
asciilifeform: l0l
thestringpuller: the end of the story reminds me of scene from rashomon
nubbins`: nanowrimo
thestringpuller: ^- yup.
asciilifeform: http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2013/cmsc417/public/assignments/project_bitCoin.pdf << lol. 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework assignment.'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: assbot:
mircea_popescu: Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] << bwhahaha
mircea_popescu: anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world.
mircea_popescu: therein included, stuff that merely promises the possibility of it, such as debian.
asciilifeform: news at 11 is exactly right. this has been going on for a long, long time, have to be blind not to see
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait.
mircea_popescu: what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff"
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, the world trade center bombing.
mircea_popescu: the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also must understand the 'good cop / bad cop' dynamic here. the buggers lure folks to their sugary 'imponade' (see naggum) by, among other things, sabotaging the rest of the universe
mircea_popescu: how did that go exactly,
mircea_popescu: Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re
mircea_popescu: main united. Those caught tonight in violation of curfew will be considered in league with our enemy and prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception. Tonight, I give you my most solemn vow: that justice will be swift, it will be righteous, and it will be without mercy.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: now, if it actually also worked, it may count for something. it doesn't work, so i guess it's good for lulz.
asciilifeform: lol! i actually saw that film for the first time a few days ago.
mircea_popescu: it's a pretty good filn.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420
asciilifeform: waterfall's being recharged as we speak.
thestringpuller: well waterfall no longer has use
mircea_popescu: nobody ever won a war by being stupid.
asciilifeform: all the 'sr2' et. al. schmucks are grunting in the cellars, confessing keys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it wasn't all that big.
mircea_popescu: it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops
mircea_popescu: the two major marketplaces were unaffected
mircea_popescu: at least so teh intel tells me.
mircea_popescu: actual total loot, <2k.
thestringpuller: lol you have a spy ring now nao?
asciilifeform: 2k << enough for small planetoid.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c
thestringpuller: tinker tailor soldier spy!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller:
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process"
assbot: optimists comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards.
asciilifeform: everyone wants... gavin's is just the one that emerged << precisely same verbiage as the pro-poettering useful idiots. vox derpuli, vox dei!
mircea_popescu: what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right./
thestringpuller: so this is all plan to get away with hard fork in future?
mircea_popescu: it's "political groundwork" or w/e you call it.
mircea_popescu: basically, feminism for code.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready.
mircea_popescu: but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online.
thestringpuller: i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be:
mircea_popescu: ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading.
thestringpuller: "Thou shalt not hardfork"
mircea_popescu: in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally.
mircea_popescu: at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side.
thestringpuller: he does seem too "dull" to have his own agenda.
thestringpuller: i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot.
mircea_popescu: -/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */
mircea_popescu: 67-static const unsigned int LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD = 500000000; // Tue Nov 5 00:53:20 1985 UTC
mircea_popescu: random lulz.
mircea_popescu: because magic numbers and stuff.
thestringpuller: too many to count
mircea_popescu: nobody knows why not make it 1bn lol.
thestringpuller: why ask for billions when you can get millions?
mircea_popescu: it passed in 2001, it would allow sane biteshifts etc.
mircea_popescu: sheeeit, i paid ppl 5 btc to write stories ?
mircea_popescu: truely i am a broken hand in the chest of bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila
mircea_popescu: shows up to receive it.
mircea_popescu: by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier :
thestringpuller: princess leia* (sorry)
mircea_popescu: this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins.
mircea_popescu: back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia
mircea_popescu: (and other things offlabel, like psoriasis)
mircea_popescu: the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar.
mircea_popescu: soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin.
mircea_popescu: as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia.
asciilifeform: folks who are n00bs re: pharma racket - the above is SOP.
mircea_popescu: and this is all okay, because well... science.
mircea_popescu: so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam,
mircea_popescu: and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?"
mircea_popescu: well...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer.
mircea_popescu: the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction.
mircea_popescu: who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves.
jurov: $proxies
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (107 milliseconds), mpex.ws (107 milliseconds), mpex.bz (107 milliseconds), mpex.co (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (474 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
jurov: mircea_popescu: http://mpex.ws/db_dump.php and commands don't work
mircea_popescu: jurov looking into it.
mircea_popescu: jurov http://mpex.co/db_dump.php you see that ?
mircea_popescu: .ws seems to have divorced itself from the mothership
jurov: yes, it's limited to mpex.ws
jurov: will also mail you anoother problem ina minute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230104 @ 0.00064071 = 147.4299 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101800 @ 0.00063753 = 64.9006 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137208 @ 0.00064302 = 88.2275 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167487 @ 0.00064265 = 107.6355 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124972 @ 0.00064056 = 80.0521 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39807 @ 0.00064749 = 25.7746 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: !up Flyer9933
punkman: !up menahem
jurov: <asciilifeform> jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 << because you haven't sent any. it will get generated when you send them
assbot: jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl_
jborkl_: thank you
asciilifeform: you send them << wai me?
nubbins`: why do i have to send the letter, i wrote the damn thing
jurov: i can send the patches myself but did not looked into them yet
jurov: so just posting them with my sig would be rather bad precedent
mircea_popescu: omg it sends the letter or it gets the hose again
asciilifeform: jurov: i signed my patches. so if sent, from whatever addr, they should be displayed. (with note that one user signed.)
ben_vulpes: rather bad form.
jurov: and where are they?
asciilifeform: jurov: once someone (you, ben_vulpes, whoever) reads them - can also sign, and display will read 'two people signed...'
mircea_popescu: he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ?
jurov: yes this is how i fucking did it
jurov: it jsut needs to be fed the fuking emails
jurov: okay?
asciilifeform: where are they << http://therealbitcoin.org
mircea_popescu: ok, dun get jurov angry, email the stuff lol
nubbins`: do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days
jborkl_: I was looking for any practical advice on monetizing my site, did not know if any of you had some (advice) on this matter?
mike_c: jborkl_: throw up a bitbet ad with your referral address.
nubbins`: ooo i just found 100 sheets of paper i didn't know i had
nubbins`: scoopbot what's the scoop
jborkl_: i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c
jborkl_: thanks
asciilifeform: sent a patch to turdatron. no worky.
mike_c: referral money is simply CPA instead of CPM (actions instead of clicks). it should do as well as traditional ads, and likely better given you don't have an ad sales team.
asciilifeform: this is getting rather tiresome.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 55c ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what did it say if anything ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as far as i can see - it merely disappeared into the aether.
jborkl_: yeah, I have the chicken and the egg problem. Now I have traffic, but not know what to do with it. I concentrated so much on making it all and writing the code, I never thought what was next
jurov: asciilifeform: thanks, i need something to chew on. apparently mailman mangled the patch before saving to archive
jurov: but if you received it by email, signature is okay
asciilifeform: jurov: i received nothing, i thought that was clear.
asciilifeform: jurov: sent message, correctly formatted, patch and patch sig attached, nothing happened.
jurov: are you registered?
jurov: without registration it's send only
asciilifeform: jurov: ok, registered now.
jurov: ok. you can send other ones
jurov: that damned stuff just decided to snip newline in the end of file before archiving
jurov: and then declared signature invalid
jurov: *end of patch
cazalla: jborkl_, have you considered writing for qntra?
asciilifeform: jurov: sent again - no dice?
cazalla: !up jborkl_
jurov: no i did not fix it yet. but at least it's here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000010.html
asciilifeform: jurov: and why not here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/thread.html ?
assbot: The BTC-dev November 2014 Archive by thread
jurov: overly eager caching
asciilifeform: jurov: caching?
jurov: looking into it
jurov: i have put amazon TurdFront (r) (tm) in front of it
jurov: it already helped the site to survive aone ddos without anyone noticing
jurov: but i'll thry to configure the timeouts shorter
asciilifeform: jurov: nothing in my email either.
jurov: mhm i got both... looked into spam?
asciilifeform: jurov: yes looked.
jurov: postfix/smtp[9200]: 5DA58147C: to=<stas@loper-os.org>, relay=mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net[208.94.116.196]:25, delay=2.1, delays=0.21/0/0.46/1.4, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10027): 250 Queued on server)
jurov: ...
jurov: nsa intercepted it
asciilifeform: jurov: my mailbox is not at fault, it works for everyone else.
jurov: i don't parse this
jurov: you mean it works for everything else?
asciilifeform: jurov: problem is 100% on your end.
jurov: that's incredibly helpful, thanks
asciilifeform: jurov: that, or we don't have a working internet yet.
jurov: i'm out of ideas. maybe it got greylisted but then the log would say sth else
mircea_popescu: jurov it shows your own emails but not his ?
asciilifeform: jurov: i don't have any fancy filtration on my end
asciilifeform: jurov: but so far the results are not encouraging. email doesn't really work!
jurov: mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net isn't your machine?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in its defense, email hasn't really worked for ~40 years now.
asciilifeform: jurov: it's a relayer, but it has never failed. not once.
mircea_popescu: vaguely related, how long you been using these guys ? do you know em ?
mircea_popescu: !up novusordo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been using that hoster since starting my site, >7yrs. ago. they're absolutely super. the cost is virtually unbeatable for low-traffic, simple sites. and, on top of this, almost wholly ddos-proof.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they only eat usd however.
mircea_popescu: a) do you know them ? and b) can they be lured or strongarmed into taking bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't know them alive, no. but it is entirely possible that they could be lured. it's a small family op, afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform write to the owner/admin/whatever ticket system you use, tell him that i am offering $100 in bitcoin if they as much as show up here, to claim it.
mircea_popescu: that can't possibly take em an hour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i learned of them when looked for a hoster that specializes in censor resistance (through traditional legal-wrangling, rather than fancy tech. it was another age.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i shall write.
novusordo: asciilifeform: what hoster are you discussing? been looking for one myself.
mircea_popescu: novusordo https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/
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asciilifeform: novusordo: 'nearly free speech'
novusordo: thanks
mircea_popescu: anyway, i must say i am thankful to the "experts". they've got the rot so advanced by now it's sufficient to look at a site and know you're dealing with actual experts.
mircea_popescu: greatly simplifies the process and saves me a bundle of moneyz this.
novusordo: after reading some of the FAQ it sounds like they follow much of the same philosophy as tarsnap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wrote letter.
mircea_popescu: danke.
mircea_popescu: novusordo i thought that was a backup solution
mircea_popescu: but speaking of which... it does sort-of tie into yest discussion asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: how about something like tarsnap ?
novusordo: yeah it is a backup solution
novusordo: not hosting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tarsnap isn't really a public access gizmo
novusordo: but by same philosophy I meant in pricing
novusordo: pay-for-what-you-use
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but neither is bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's an anon expert access gizmo, it should qualify neh ?
mircea_popescu: "public access" is a myth, of the same substance as the man-month.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i meant was, that it offers no useful mechanisms for anything other than, well, making ordinary backups for own use.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bnp-paribas-five-ways-bitcoin-could-shake-up-finance/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you have some notion of how to transmute that into a solution to yesterday's conundrum - i'm all ears.
mircea_popescu: i guess my idea reduces to "paint a brick black and pray to it" huh.
mircea_popescu: a well.
The20YearIRCloud: Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units
Apocalyptic: cazalla, re your article, "once regulators and politicians control and enable the continued development of Bitcoin", they can't be that clueless, how the hell do they hope to "control the continued development" ? by sending a gavin-bis ?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ethereums-contract-language-implemented-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-with-counterparty/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/belief2002
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lulz gotta lulz.
mircea_popescu: cazalla did you mean to say "the article is trying to push the humorous theory" instead of "concludes" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice blast from teh past huh.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that's a much better formulation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XwwiZPPa
mircea_popescu: you must be logged in to access this area....
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/bQyAKJqY << here.
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mircea_popescu: lol 10k ?
mircea_popescu: a well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sad part is, they have a point. they can't eat it.
mircea_popescu: they can't eat it, they can't leave.
mircea_popescu: i also have a point.
mircea_popescu: live*
mircea_popescu: but i'll make sure to charge a mango my digestion fees next i run into one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mango happily pays. that's what digestion is all about.
mircea_popescu: so did i. well, up until 5 minutes ago.
mircea_popescu: as a matter of policy, it will now cost these guys 10k to get any of my business, and if they ever get into the wot i'll negrate them right off.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol. why the emotion. the article told the sad truth: 'We have nothing to spend bitcoins on...'
mircea_popescu: no emotion. i am telling the sad truth just as much : adapt or die.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not here asking random derp some favours. no matter who the derp thinks he is.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is his lifeline. pass on it, well... death.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this death is a collective one. or, go try to tell the nearly free speech folks how to get their upstream isp to take btc, and where to get spare disks and pizza for it, and in such a way that it doesn't immediately end up in the waterfall, etc.
mircea_popescu: color me a color that connotes caring.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31228 @ 0.00056414 = 17.617 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: im sure the mango is going to want to talk to the upstream enzymes about matters too ?
undata: asciilifeform: so sell out when you receive them via derpbase?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how do you buy things with btc that don't end up in the waterfall?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no one was asked to care, but trying to explain here that folks are sizzling in an electric chair not necessarily of their own making, rather than simple death through individual folly
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually, here's a fun notion : outside of trilema credits, pretty much everything is really just facelifted paypal.
mircea_popescu: so in a sense, i'm the one thing supporting this here bitcoin economy.
cazalla: Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu, i will go cry in the corner and rethink my approach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's their folly.
mircea_popescu: many smart people suffer from the what's his face mental issues
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to draw a simple picture of what you'd do in their place ?
mircea_popescu: jesus, who was the electrician turned expert in physics again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tesla?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: seems the only option is the swap coins with someone who isn't going to put them in the waterfall :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either take the hundred offer or go to war.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah nah brb digging archives
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com how to fail
gribble: How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/>; It's been an epic few days: What happened? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/>; In defense of the troll pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/in-defense-of-the- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: there we go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: physics student turned electrician (experimental physics) turned 'quant' aha.
mircea_popescu: "oh i am great and speshul and what is this thing"
mircea_popescu: should be in the dsm-6, this,.
mircea_popescu: "thought bitcoin is some sort of optional thing like widescreen tvs or some shit"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is still not how i read that one. it was more of a 'what is this martian trinary computer, where can i plug it in? with what sauce can i eat it'. and iirc that was your own initial reaction in '11.
mircea_popescu: my reaction was subtly but essentialy different. it was "how do you expect this to work ?"
mircea_popescu: cue me in 2011 going "sorry, but unless you folks do my homework for me bitcoin sucks. i got math and rom lit."
mircea_popescu: and in any effect, i most motherfucking DEFINITELY did what told, by the people who knew
mircea_popescu: rather than try to conjure up imaginary molehils of secure superiority to take refuge upon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my reaction just now was 'why won't they show up and at least talk' but then realized that this may be the flip side of the medal, so to speak, of the same conservative thinking that ultimately made n.f.s. co. even interesting in the first place (they've resisted every known variety of crud)
mircea_popescu: no argument.
mircea_popescu: this is a major blindspot of the conservative mindset : rigidity.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the spots go on the cheetah as part of what it is saved no cheetah to date.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but brings back to the fact that usaschwitz is a thing. if i presently had to rely on btc for anything life-sustaining, i'd be quite dead.
mircea_popescu: yet here you are.
mircea_popescu: somehow you're of worse human quality than jeff is the argument here ?
mircea_popescu: it's ok for you but too much to ask of him ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: death is a hard boundary for experiments. once dead, no 'let's try this differently'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48555 @ 0.00056475 = 27.4214 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i weigh less than an isp/hoster/restaurant/etc. yes.
mircea_popescu: plenty of people manage to juggle a wife and a job and an insane government and still be here. i'm not one of them, as it happens, but that's neither here nor there : to condone jeffidiocy would be more of an insult to their otherwise unguilty face than i can stomach.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, i and the other jugglers - find ways to hoover up enough usd to pay the usd-eaters in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0005676 = 3.4056 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moving a functioning usd-fueled business to btc - other matter. especially if you're sensitive about not wishing to fatten vultures.
mircea_popescu: you can still take a quarter.
mircea_popescu: fuck, maybe the people throwing away quarters know all about n answers you can't find on your own.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't really argue that 'no we won't even talk' was a correct answer. but i do understand how a n00b might associate bitcoin as-a-concept with the derps and sp4mz0rs.
mircea_popescu: but no, because conservative mindset depends on random derp being the king of all creation. which works about as well as you'd expect, boring in the bedroom, offensive in the forum, etc.
mircea_popescu: i can also understand how half the heads populating pikes around the stronghold used to be attached to people who didn't mean to.
mircea_popescu: what's that do for us ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if there's a psychiatric lesson here, it is that resisting crud is not necessarily from cleverness, but could also be on account of being a goat herder in afghanistan and what even is all this recycled food.
mircea_popescu: surely.
mircea_popescu: which is why distinction is so important and processes that enact it so useful.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one could also hypothesize again about 'married men' and who can or cannot afford to take what risk, etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway is that firmness is a quality, but rigidity a sin. the boob rule : good if made out of young woman, bad if made out of bone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the remaining lesson, possibly, is that we are still without a general-purpose btc-powered hoster.
mircea_popescu: maybe PinkPosixPXE chick gets her dusts in a row.
mircea_popescu: !up hank_
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i picked out an XMas present for you early.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33941 @ 0.0005676 = 19.2649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53817 @ 0.00056186 = 30.2376 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course all of those agents were found because after seeing folate's role in cell synthesis, feeding a bunch of leukemias high dose folate was assumed to be the way. It helped the cancer so much!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 17183 @ 0.0012 = 20.6196 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00056001 = 6.9441 BTC [-]
mike_c: just in case it's helpful, i was seeing some wonkiness with mpex.ws last night too but didn't have time to debug. so the problem may be 24+ hours old.
mircea_popescu: just about.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00056001 = 18.9843 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13378 @ 0.00055966 = 7.4871 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: notary deed http://pastebin.com/CXcwTz7S
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Your dividend payment for S. - Pastebin.com
notary: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo heh myeah.
mircea_popescu: medicine is a... strongly experimental science.
cazalla: BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki <<< anyone care to provide thoughts on whether this is a good or bad thing?
assbot: bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub
BingoBoingo: On it's own it's a naive thing, but the conversation around it will lead to bad things as it will probably lead to hard fork talk to set the stage for the blocksize increase discussion.
cazalla: there you go thestringpuller, i was almost right
cazalla: well, on target
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13607 @ 0.00056017 = 7.6222 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ
assbot: asciilifeform's mail - Imgur
dub: 1% losses for shareholders on s.wol is one interpretation
dub: i think its worth noting that for eveyone other than mp and mike it was a 50-80% loss
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bip-0065 << classic 'relevance farming.' the phoundation will take any excuse to add cruft to the gizmo. in their fantasy, folks will use it, and those who have resisted their turds will be forced to merge in.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain?
BingoBoingo: The Manul's greatest asset in combat is that through the fur, an adversary can not tell from where on the moving limbs the claws will emerge
asciilifeform: !s in the game of chess you must never
assbot: 1 results for 'in the game of chess you must never' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=in+the+game+of+chess+you+must+never
BingoBoingo: Well, that's why I prefer playing as black and starting with small pawn moves. Harder for the opponent to see in the dark.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha wow.
mircea_popescu: was it read ?
asciilifeform: i only just now opened it!
asciilifeform: and more mysteries:
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/KunZAwf
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: i mean b4
mircea_popescu: is it used ?
asciilifeform: why isbn is shit...
asciilifeform: and why is 'zenofeller.com' now a linkpharm?
asciilifeform: book was clearly thumbed
asciilifeform: and has a most peculiar smell, like old turkish bubble-gum
asciilifeform: faint but detectable.
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: lol you can read leetspeak nao ?
asciilifeform: n3v3r
asciilifeform admits he parsed 'b4' as half a chess tuple
asciilifeform: but that's BingoBoingo's fault
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: at any rate, chukcha is a writer not reader.
mircea_popescu: !t m s.wol
assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000086 / 0.000086 / 0.000086 (2 shares, 0.00 BTC)
mircea_popescu: hm lessee here.
mircea_popescu: dub total satoshsi : 2129446090 total shares 525903
mircea_popescu: that means an average lifetime price of 4k, it closed at ~3k.
mircea_popescu: that aside, mp and mike sold what was it, 5 btc worth at 3k.
mircea_popescu: that leaves a 16 btc worth of volume, which was exactly half making a gain while exactly the other half made a loss.
mircea_popescu: kinda how this entire trading thing goes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. << do tell ?
mircea_popescu: what was on "their" side of the line keeping skirts below the knee ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on their side - presumably, the turd.
asciilifeform: their turd.
mircea_popescu: the jeff of 1950 knew all about how computers "won't catch on"
mircea_popescu: there's never anything on their side of the line is the thing.
mircea_popescu remembers a time "the line" was, you gotta raise a woman's kids to get laid and you gotta pay a hooker to get your cock sucked.
mircea_popescu: worked so admirably well, teh line.
asciilifeform: did not say 'they' win. said - there shall be war.
mircea_popescu: after a fashion.
mircea_popescu: but yes. definitely.
asciilifeform armchair admiral, and cannot presume to know what sort of war, fought with what
mircea_popescu: would be a sore loss to win without a war. instead of a solid enjoyment of rape and plunder, do not pass go, directly to the trudge of administration ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
mircea_popescu: war is generally the best part.
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on...
mircea_popescu: ofcourse.
mircea_popescu: which is why either he has one or his kids want one for xmas.
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
Vexual: thanks for the link to your blogpost mp, not I know what I sound like 3 force drunk
mircea_popescu: lol
Vexual: what happened with wol?
Vexual: all the players died from seizures or something?
mircea_popescu: it got no love
BingoBoingo: It's parimutuel model was prolly too fair in pricing
undata: asciilifeform | at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on... << this printing thing hasn't really caught on yet; all they're printing are more bibles
BingoBoingo: http://theweek.com/article/index/271644/its-time-to-abolish-the-interstate-highway-system
assbot: It's time to abolish the Interstate Highway System - The Week
nubbins`: <The20YearIRCloud> Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units
BingoBoingo: ^ The TLDR, shift some bezzel around and make it easier for the US to partition further
nubbins`: at this rate you'll have the first poster given away in no time 8)
The20YearIRCloud: already given away a few of em nubbins`
nubbins`: i eagerly await pictures
The20YearIRCloud: i gave em instructions
nubbins`: fwiw i think they'd have been better served given to people who we'd like to see in here, but hey, i'm just the printer 8)
nubbins`: and i guess taleb's mailing address is hard to find.
Vexual: send it to his publisher
The20YearIRCloud: I wanted to run a contest and give a few away to non-tenants, as they'd likely have much more of a desire for em
The20YearIRCloud: most of our tenants don't have PCs
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.29, Best ask: 431.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.65000, Last trade: 431.94, 24 hour volume: 45124.17445036, 24 hour low: 375.97, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 408.121751826
BingoBoingo: What about lacquering them onto the doors?
The20YearIRCloud: lol, that could be interesting
asciilifeform: most of our tenants don't have PCs << wai wat
Vexual: yeah, that got me too
asciilifeform: they are paying in btc without computer ?
Vexual: paper moeny
The20YearIRCloud: Money, cash, cashier's checks, checks, ect, no one so far has ever heard of BTC, along with most not having access to a computer
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: where does the btc come in then
asciilifeform thought 'rentalstarter' was a btc thing
The20YearIRCloud: tenants pay in USD
The20YearIRCloud: otherwise we'd be broke
mircea_popescu: "T
mircea_popescu: he 114th Congress may seem like an unlikely source of major reform. With the Republicans in control of both houses and a second-term Democratic president wielding the veto pen"
mircea_popescu: ahem. yeah it's a likely source of major fucking reform.
mircea_popescu: consisting principally of throwing out 80 years of accumulated gunk masquerading as "reform"
mircea_popescu: from delano to obama, a bridge of shit.
decimation: asciilifeform: I finished 17 moments of spring, thanks for the recommendation. It was an interesting show
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from delano to obama << 'от ильича до ильича'
asciilifeform: decimation: aha
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us it is customary to label any policy whatsoever as 'reform'
mircea_popescu: my point exactly.
decimation: like the national assembly in revolutionary france, congress feels that they can make policy about anything whatsoever
asciilifeform would love to read a collection of all the u.s. federal laws that claim extraterritoriality.
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: i can remember a few - the one with the flag-less submarines, and the one forbidding any biped on planet 3 from working on nukes without u.s. blessing
mircea_popescu: that us libtards gave themselves and in their own mind some sort of major role in the world is novel.
decimation: the first one that comes to mind are the 'foreign banking' laws w.r.t. us citizens
asciilifeform: citizens - yes. i was thinking of other
mircea_popescu: for most of its history, the us knew better, an saw itself as a minor player.
asciilifeform: that is, there are actually laws on the books which specifically say 'anyone, anywhere, whether he even knows we exist'
decimation: another famous one is the law that bans illegal wood harvest anywhere in the world
decimation: the 'lacey act'
The20YearIRCloud: poor gibson guitars :(
decimation: yep
decimation: in the early constitution era it was thought that congress was limited to passing laws about things that were actually mentioned in their charter in the constitution
decimation: lincoln and then fdr removed that restriction
mircea_popescu: " If we could even get ourselves down to a Western European level of car dependence, we would cut road fatalities to a third of their present value and improve our quality of life in innumerable ways."
mircea_popescu: yah lol. how to become europe ? "insert toll roads"
asciilifeform: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2285
assbot: 18 U.S. Code § 2285 - Operation of submersible vessel or semi-submersible vessel without nationality | LII / Legal Information Institute
mircea_popescu: totally. i like thios reasoning.
asciilifeform: ^ submarines
mircea_popescu: maybe the author could be come a girl by selling lipstick.
decimation: mircea_popescu: usians hate the idea of paying for roads
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's hardly noteworthy. for as long as navigation was a thing, navigating without a banner meant being an outlaw.
asciilifeform: u.s. navy sub - also outlaw?
mircea_popescu: decimation point being, europe is europe because it's europe, not because some kansas kids decided to wear bedsheets once and poof.
decimation: yeah actually I agree with that law
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it goes without a banner, yes.
asciilifeform: banner underwater?
decimation: hehe
BingoBoingo: !Up cascadian_derper
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, but there's something lacking in the us - they can't seem to believe that they have their own culture and avoid trying to make one
mircea_popescu: well, "banner"
cascadian_derper: ah lovely someone's watching
mircea_popescu: decimation who has his own culture you mean ?
decimation: well, kansas for instance
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
cascadian_derper: thanks for participating in my live fire, bb
mircea_popescu: kansas culture = "move to ny, for a better life" + "check out the corn!!1"
decimation: they actually do have a culture, it is just roundly rejected by every elite with a printing press
mircea_popescu: well ?
mircea_popescu: what is this then, folklore ?
mircea_popescu: !up Derp
mircea_popescu: the us may only have a folklore after 2276.
mircea_popescu: check back in 1/4 millenium.
decimation: yeah, it'll be viva la reconquista
asciilifeform: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/47a << mega-lol
assbot: 50 U.S. Code § 47a - Information concerning illegal introduction, manufacture, acquisition or export of special nuclear material or atomic weapons or conspiracies relating thereto; reward | LII / Legal Information Institute
decimation: I think that the low country "jante law" culture is one of the things that provides an impetus to the lack of us folklore/home culture
cascadian_derper: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f8nwfQx1
notary: cascadian_derper: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: it's just too damned young.
decimation: yeah that's true
decimation: plus, the radical egalitarianism is like an acid that dissolves the nascent culture before it begins
ben_vulpes: nah just polishing off a bottle of champagne in the office
ben_vulpes: whoop
ben_vulpes: wrong channel, perdon
hanbot: wrong channel, perignon << ftfy
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: decimation this is not true.
mircea_popescu: the russians had the mir for as long as the memory goes, and yet.
ben_vulpes: clever you, hanbot. it's cremant du jura though.
decimation: you mean the space station :)
mircea_popescu: nah, the mir, the village "corporation" of sorts.
ben_vulpes: what is scoopbot's actual uptime?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: do you need a hand with stabilizing that thing?
mircea_popescu: decimation it owned all the land, and allocated it. it owned the peasants, and regulated their life. basically think beehive with the queen unembodied.
PeterL: sorry, trying to fix it right now
decimation: so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i'm not trying to make you cry, but mebbe offer suggestions how to keep the thing up
ben_vulpes: are you still running it in a screen session or whatever?
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
decimation: PeterL: does it reconnect?
PeterL: no, not yet, I'm gonna swith it to a different chan for a minute while I derp with it a bit
asciilifeform: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2122
assbot: 42 U.S. Code § 2122 - Prohibitions governing atomic weapons | LII / Legal Information Institute
asciilifeform: ^ the nuke thing.
asciilifeform: finally found it.
asciilifeform: 'It shall be unlawful, except as provided in section 2121 of this title, for any person, inside or outside of the United States, to knowingly participate in the development of, manufacture, produce, transfer, acquire, receive, possess, import, export, or use, or possess and threaten to use, any atomic weapon.'
asciilifeform: just think, kurchatov or sakharov, could have sat in an american jail
asciilifeform: if somehow caught.
decimation: presumably 'person' means 'person to which us law applies'
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: person.
asciilifeform: normally they state 'u.s. subject' or similar.
decimation: asciilifeform: 'person' is an overloaded word in us law
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ << ahaha i remember fucking with solenoids
assbot: asciilifeform's mail - Imgur
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: damn did you hoover up the only copy?
asciilifeform: idk how many copies.
asciilifeform: ask mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: well on 'amazon "book" services'
ben_vulpes: *** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has changed mode for #bitcoin-assets to +v JorgePasada << where's my node, bitch
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com//gp/offer-listing/B000MOLJGI/sr=/qid=/?condition=used&tag=bkfndr76-20
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell JorgePasada see above
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: mm gratzi asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12232 @ 0.00056379 = 6.8963 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: holy shit mpoe clearing at 56k
ben_vulpes: market hates you mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: clearly wagering on usg winning this round
decimation: I guess 'person' means whatever some court finds that it means, when they are presented with the question
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain? << consider the gadget a piece of art. as always, the miners determine everything.
Vexual: decimation: Personne physique
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 5821 @ 0.0012 = 6.9852 BTC
Vexual: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 438.18, Best ask: 438.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 438.18, 24 hour volume: 45394.86406201, 24 hour low: 377.6, 24 hour high: 438.3, 24 hour vwap: 408.920744472
mircea_popescu: decimation> so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture? << my point being that culture is strictly a matter of time. how people organise is irrelevant. which also means there's no shortcuts.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 330/420 * 66
gribble: 51.8571428571
mircea_popescu: maybe it's scaling with the usg *gasp*
decimation: yet, us folk come from somewhere, where did that culture go?
mircea_popescu: iroquis also came from somewhere, but once they came, it was all new.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the germans come from fucking central asia. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: the zulus managed to start over each century moving 100 miles.
Vexual: and then some
Vexual: those guys don't fuck around
decimation: "Zulu" was a good movie
decimation: !up Vexual
Vexual: Might give it a look, The tourist was watchable
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that formula 'fits' - culture is derived in a convergence of circumstances + time
BingoBoingo: The geographic area occupied by present day Collinsville, Illinois had a population of ~35,000 600 years ago, and has a similar population today.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the 'mound culture'?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Yes "Mississippians" Seems smallpox probably got to them before the pale faces did.
BingoBoingo: The view from the big pile of dirt into Missouri is pretty sweet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23994 @ 0.00056201 = 13.4849 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: They even seemed to have had their own skunkworks program where they might have been trying to get to bronze a few millenia too late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_34
assbot: Mound 34 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: I guess kansas was kansas before kansas
BingoBoingo: Well, no. Kansas had those fucking barbarian nomads with their dogs
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile the Mississippians had suburbs and shit, some suburbs more populated than they are presently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Mound_and_Village_Site
assbot: Emerald Mound and Village Site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: !up Mrstickball
BingoBoingo: !up railzand
BingoBoingo: !up phish
Vexual: people on the river are happy to give
BingoBoingo: !up rdekley
mircea_popescu: !up u00
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-109841 << a competitor emerges!
assbot: Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for the very first time pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: actually midden is pretty much the best approximation of culture in physical terms.
asciilifeform: even the laziest student of archaeology knows this.
mircea_popescu: well so that's what, 300 people ?
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: 300 mil sovblok.
decimation: speaking of obvous to everybody, here's some tardation for amusement: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/alternative-scientific-history/
assbot: Alternative Scientific History « Isegoria
mircea_popescu: the feminist one is pretty good.
decimation: yeah surely these people are trolling
mircea_popescu: basically, dude imagines that a) he currently lives in a world where people actually give a shit what usians thing and b) this will survive time travel.
decimation: most of what is accepted as common knowledge in the us would have been rank retardation to the ancients
decimation: the romans would use lenses though
mircea_popescu: wait, caesar saves the republic ?!
mircea_popescu: lmao
decimation: lol yeah that too
mircea_popescu: "since the early 20th century, Earth’s mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8°C." lmap
mircea_popescu: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change indicated!!!!
decimation: as if anyone could state that with authority
mircea_popescu: srsly, this faux chosenpeopleism is hard to get out of huh
decimation: the us is soaked in it, and it is getting worse
mircea_popescu: basically "i am a worthless sack of dung. the proof of this is that if i got sent to any other circumstance i'd make a total fool of myself"
mircea_popescu: all these people whose survival strictly depends on a extreheheeemely unlikely arrangement imagine themselves like... you know, representatives of HUMANITY outright
dub: they represent the body of human science tho
mircea_popescu: hardly.
decimation: do they lack the ability to perceive the obvious or are they acting out despite themselves?
mircea_popescu: the body of human science isn't derp derping about "relativity" by name anymore than the body of bitcoin is derp derping about "bitcoin" by name.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in a name.
dub: teh body of human science says global warming is a thing
mircea_popescu: decimation coelenterata. they just float around in the sea. not their fault some happened upon a vent, not their fault the vent will go out.
mircea_popescu: you can't possibly be still on that kicks ?!
dub: its fact, idk what you deniers are smoking
mircea_popescu: the "body of human science" understood as "the government employees paid to derp on a topic" enacted "slow moving schizophrenia" as a thing.
dub: its hilarious listening to it
mircea_popescu: and then they died by falling out of the strawberry tree.
decimation: I found a chocolate bush one day but it turned out to be rabbit turds
undata: decimation: how many bites in were you?
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mircea_popescu: !b 2
mircea_popescu: get a load of this... the qin envoy guy is using the example of a chinese table tennis player as highly achievementful women.
mircea_popescu: because the ancient chinese didn't know women can you know, tablestuffs.
nubbins`: do you even table
decimation: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2014/11/no-word-back-yet.html
assbot: Across Difficult Country: No Word Back Yet
mircea_popescu: kinda unfair that he mentions oprah winfrey but not martha stewart lol.
decimation: when I was in Maui I found Oprah's Maui mansion
decimation: it overlooks the statue erected to the memory of sun yet san
mircea_popescu: "Robin Williams' suicide was triggered by a horrible disease called Lewy Body Dementia ... sources connected with his family tell TMZ."
mircea_popescu: i fucking knew it.

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