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(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - so where did you start from, anyway? from the current implementations of V, is that what you mean by the instances?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - you know, I think your attempt and question there hits actually deeper (and well done for it, too) than you intended, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I suppose that the current state of V-use and development otherwise might give the impression that there isn't anything more to it either, huh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, one can use V for some narrow part that they care about and it's true that the first implementation was just that, a very narrow thing in fact, but that doesn't mean much.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and software as a whole, not just development, nor even just deployment, it goes all the way to even what software *is*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so for one thing, V is not some particular implementation but essentially a paradigm for software
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but let's rewind and try to grab it from some more concrete end perhaps
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it changes the whole landscape if you want
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, I wouldn't say that "other tools are not necessary" - it's more that the change is so fundamental that previous tools don't fit /don't have a useful place anymore; other tools though *are* still necessary - only they need to be built
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, it also still requires an OS!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: V is a complete solution in that sense, hence "the other tools [...] aren't necessary"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, going for once fully-negative-space there (and that getting rid of all the other "tools" is not a tiny thing either at that, but it's more of a consequence than anything else)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - what's the audience you have in mind there or is this blog/generic?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's a bit tortured on various fences by the looks of it; for one thing, defining it as a versioning system cuts away an important part - the deployment of software that is usually not all that much the traditional concern of versioning systems
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's more that the definition as you gave it doesn't do all that much - though it takes a few readings, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - hm, what do you mean by "of computing" there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw ok, sounds fine to me.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - well, pick yourself a deadline for that post-mortem if you actually want to do it and do it; or let me know if you don't want all that much to do it; either way we'll see from there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - did you figure out why the fade away in the first place?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what can I say; on the face of it, a post-mortem sounds sensible indeed, except there's no reason why it couldn't have been done by now if it was indeed pressing and therefore the conclusion is that it's not pressing, so it can wait as it already did, not much difference either way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - do you know why and how it failed?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, if you think that I need to read that or it "has to be done" or something of the sort - the answer is no, on both counts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - why didn't you just do it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - for how long have you been thinking that you need to etc?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - is there something specific you are interested in atm?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: good that you are honest enough to admit it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, then it was too lofty a quote, lol; there's more there than just "work" but anyways, no need to fully go that rabbit hole right now, let it be a detour for another time perhaps.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - anyway, getting back to present day and yourself: yes, it's quite militant stupidity and at any rate it's certainly not helping you any.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and that keeping it roughly similar time and space, at least
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, by that standard Oscar Wilde was very much the gentleman, I suppose he could /did even outdo them since he set his mind to it; onth I doubt e.g. Sir Burton would have given him much "gentleman".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: with none of their means to afford them, at least
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all the troubles of late-time/already-degenerate "gentlemen" (because the term like that without clear anchoring in time means ~nothing at all)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, I know the sort of thing you mean - in plain terms it's called tripping over yourself, really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, what, having all the troubles with none the means?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha; what came out of that thinking then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that sounds like looking for causes and closer to root
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I bet it did, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: didn't the structure help or why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - did you keep up that daily guitar practice, only not writing the logs up or not publishing them or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how's that building otc network going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - so what's stopping you? not like I hold anyone back from engaging or contributing, am I.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - I'm around as usual, sure; what's on your mind?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the conclusion from use is therefore that this sort of "loop" may or may not be fine, up to operator to decide on a case by case basis; but there has to be a better way to point to the actual problem, even if it ends up perhaps as a separate command or even outside v.sh entirely.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even if a quick and dirty/partial piped cmd line sort of thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/05/03/ossasepia-logs-for-may-2020/#1026261 - bvt, in potentially interesting follow ups on this, on one hand it turned out that at least in some cases the "reverted file" was not even desirable ie an artefact of other trimmings-on-the-large-codebase but on the other hand I *did* end up having to pretty much script the "point out the exact offending file, stupid" part,
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ossabot is fully retired, don't expect it back (nor its site, nor the ftp, nor anything from the whole pile of resources of all sorts that are finally freed up for more productive use); archives are and will remain at http://ossasepia.com/raw-logs-and-archives/ ; real-time and past logs are and will remain permanent at http://ossasepia.com/category/logs/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, came to rant and ended up arguing - it might take a while to switch!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, that is exactly what I mean above by makes the problem less visible to some extent; but this visible always depends inevitable on who and how is looking, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: only I don't think it's your clients who are supposed to either solve it or wait until it's solved.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can argue perhaps that making a script now lowers the pain and thus makes the problem less visible/easier to ignore - in which case fine, don't make the script and keep the pain until the root trouble gets solved, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note though that choosing what has to be chosen *now* doesn't mean that it has to remain like that forever or anything of the sort
(ossasepia) diana_coman: choosing what is as opposed to what one might want is certainly not "how one ends up in mess"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, it's not that how we ended up in this software mess in the first place, heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "why" in the end is simple really - because there's no better alternative available and no, can't wait "however long it takes" until that better alternative is "ready" etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, that route it's already "why do I need to bootstrap V, haven't I already bootstrapped a unix?" heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and a write up afterwards.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that sounds like a script being sorely needed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, a more familiar pain with own wallet?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jun-2020/#1027177 - ah, this rings a bell and I'll need to have a look because iirc I have one level nested replies (though not sure it has anything to do with the theme as such, hm)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, not to mention that it's way more enjoyable to be on top of what happens when instead of being blown about and playing catch-up with it all, but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if that's really the thing, perhaps have a go at it that way - literally pick something fun as "compensation" for doing the needed not-fun and keep to both; at the end of the day, the *honesty* with yourself is really the most important part, no matter what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - you know, managing yourself includes making time for fun, for sure!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - I'll only add that you would be able to do *so much more* and of the exact type you enjoy otherwise, for the cost of that hated change in the present; but well, saying it doesn't count anywhere near figuring it out yourself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that cost though is in the future, while the cost of changing is in the present and so the present cost weighs more and so it goes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as you say too, you'll "be always accosted by chores demanding attention that would have been better done earlier" but... that doesn't burn either ie you consider you'll still be able to deal with it (and you probably will, too, sure, though not without cost).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and sure, re "improvement", you'd rather have the option/keep it seemingly on; it's a thing this too, people want to have the option, not to actually do something with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw re those postponed tasks, the question would be why did you kick them for later at "do" time? but otherwise for the quick-and-obvious, the conclusion would be not as much that you don't care about improving it but that you care more about something else there (whatever it might be); in other words, it doesn't burn
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh what I deployed so far on existing installations I literally patched but the patches were way smaller/touching way less, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg how did you deploy the new version now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I don't have anything but I'd like to have !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, sounds exactly as it should be, inded
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I don't doubt that, it's more squeezing some time to read through the patches, press it all and then do the dance of changing it in place without messing up anything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds quite good, I'll have to make some time to catch up with the latest mp-wp!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess I'll deploy it on yh and then wait to hear if there are any complaints, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg - the latest vpatch seems to pack quite some changes indeed; is there still a way to change the permalink from the gui while editing a draft?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg no rush at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, I mean some of the changes in previous patches (I didn't see this patch at all, yet)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg - iirc some of your changes did touch the default theme(s) so hm, if I nuked those entirely and have my own, what do I need to port over?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, not-bad description
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I'm by default all willing to hear what works best for others!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - did the week end up all the more productive for not looking at it too closely?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not like it gets any different if you ignore it/postpone it/don't-want-to-start-on-it any longer
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, it makes sense if it's at the front of the queue too; only ...just do it already, what can it take so long.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it can count as publishing, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw that sounds lovely too, why not do it anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: come to think of it, maybe one of the bots should get extended with a betting service for each announced deadline :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds all good and interesting to me; if again all-on-one-side-only, as well.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I'm not even quite expecting anything further than next up anymore, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds sensible
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - what's in your publishing queue for next week?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform - you around?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that too! but I meant more as in trying to list and cover all environment's warts/surprises one by one.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - while I can't say I know the full answer to that, from what I recall, the code has a *lot* of various check-this-and-check-that, all sorts of "cases" and whatnots
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jun-2020/#1027043 - this sounds great, billymg, looking forward to the article.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so it's no rush, can wait until tomorrow for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but take your time if you need it, as it is I need to go today in some 5 minutes anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so literally - what do you think that rating gives you or why do you want it to start with?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform - I asked you why you want the rating to try and figure out the extent of your confusion there, because your original question does more to point out that sort of trouble than asking much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion what happened in the end with that Tuesday article?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform - hopefully I didn't get you stuck with that question, did I?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw well, possibly under the review of this week?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, pretty much what it ends up as indeed; though at least I can get it easily from the db.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: starting with May 2020, it gets easier as there's only one page per month but sadly I didn't think of that from the start
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for getting the rest: there's unfortunately the added headache of the date basically; ie the easy way is to simply extract the day and convert to the corresponding title as it's straightforward; the trouble though is that for the #o import I didn't fake the publish date so one either needs to rely on mpwp auto-completion (uhm) or otherwise extract first those too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jun-2020/#1027000 - this is true and on purpose, exactly to help with the mapping: the anchor ID is exactly the same, matching, indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: given the full size of the archive + the fact that I anyway don't have it all, I am not that keen on importing the #t log too as articles though perhaps I should do it as a humongous one and link there at least easily, huh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the links for #trilema chan though would need to point to the logs on trilema.com now and I haven't checked but it may possibly be a different mapping required there (beyond just the obvious change of site, ofc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's doable but the script needs to be done and once that is done, I can finally get rid of the shit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw the main reason why I haven't rushed with turning the plug off on the old logger is that I haven't yet got around to make the script to update the links
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, and anyone else who doesn't want to have broken links afterwards but anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because the old one is set to be axed ; (when I get around to do it but it will still be done)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform - meant to say, do use the log from my blog e.g http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jun-2020/ esp when you link
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, a bit late for both the party and the dramaz but on the bright side, there's no hurry anymore so ...take your time, I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello gdrz1927
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia gdrz1927
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, 6am is close to late for countryside so I can see their point too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, if nobody cared to kill it despite all the noise...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suddenly remember when I was hugging the router in Devon, trying to remain connected to Eulora, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: huh, with all the stuff around, how did it manage such feat
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello cruciform, how's the study in countryside charms, cottages and peaceful internet?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: given the length of results, it provided a good test case for the new scrolling too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not an issue at all, only I had even forgotten that the cmd required such a thing, so I ended up with the equivalent of * & consequently a full list; not that it wasn't funny
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - this was more a convenience I suppose eg. it filled automatically the chan name based on current window for stuff like /names
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw no trouble so far either; only I realised I was relying on some of irssi's quirks too, though nothing all that important.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - new scrolling seems to work great; I especially like it that the last line of previous page remains first line of the new page so it's easy to follow; thank you!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - that's how one learns to factor all that stuff in! (if not next time, then the time after that...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: some people are happy it failed, others are sad it failed; there's the record, there's the choice and that's that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo I don't see that "blame game" you mention but whatevers.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, facts and deeds certainly speak for themselves, indeed; I wouldn't say "technology" as such though, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and so I won't press further any of the rather obvious points in all of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque - I wouldn't have thought I'd ever say this to a texan but I find I appreciate your diplomacy!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque I thought !!up worked for those with positive rating from me? anyways, not all that important anymore either way I suppose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr, *all* human-made comments on my blog get published.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!rated asciilifeform
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov no idea what behind your back; but no, I am not interested to hear anything further from you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - that sounds good to me!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque if you consider something wrong/missing/misstated in my record, I'd appreciate if you leave a comment there with the correction; thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what he imagines spying to be; I guess it serves me right for trying to engage them; whatevers.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, at least TBF's status is quite clear now although apparently I have to go fish it out and add it to the record since those involved are too busy calling me names but not to my face; by the ponder of words in tbf's log apparently asciilifeform runs now the foundation in any case and jurov practices his hand at
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll be back tomorrow as usual.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg - that sounds very good indeed!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, "formula" in my head stands literally for something like F=m*a lol; not a full algorithm basically; but yes, if you meant "given this problem, follow these steps" then indeed, that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: coming back round to why is it so all-important that everyone is a special and unique snowflake - precisely because it's an important thing that is lost/given up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, worse - "learning" by having gone through a set of known problems with known steps-to-solve; basically pattern-matching, all of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "cure" being in each and every case, sitting them down and getting them to actually make sense for the first time of whatever it was, the tiniest bit to start with; works wonders.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: notice (even if without being able to explain it/ put it into words) the trouble
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, the same mechanism applies and is obvious to even way simpler things - I lost count how many teenagers "lacking confidence for the exams" I saw; how could they have any confidence armed as they were with a... set of rules of which they understood ~nothing; sure, they had all the words that "it's good" and "well done" and great marks and all that but they were too alive to not
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hence my earlier choice of word "chanting" because to some extent it's quite that - a ritual for lack of any better.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, not even as much that; it's more like this - the lack of being is perceived and it gnaws terribly; for all that, there aren't any resources to be able to even realise that "paddling upstream is needed" or anything of the sort; so ...to appease fear, what is left but talking loudly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even natural "strategy" * (not sure why I keep skipping words lately)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically the pretense by that point is the easy and even "strategy" - to the extent that you'd call a river's flowing towards next lowest point a "strategy", since it's quite that, simply lowest effort in the moment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this doesn't make it work any better, nor does it make more important nor a better choice
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so indeed, it is way, way easier to pretend given all the lack of exercise at being accumulated previously
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and sure, it's also just one result of a long string of previous choices (sometimes choices made unknowingly, sure, not less choices made for that)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw it's not as much that the pretense seems easier - it's more that there isn't much else left within the boundaries that they chose already - or alternatively, it's more that the actual being terrifies to such extent that it seems outright impossible; and the terror gets papered over with ever-louder chanting that "it's great as it is!!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for that matter in general - nobody ever gets offended by words that don't touch some real sore spot; nor does anyone obsess over matters that are already sorted and taken care of for reals.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw re snowflake, that's already secondary, not in any way a cause of the focus as such
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw I did catch them but yeah, they didn't seem quite all that regular/daily, heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, from what I see, your Montevideo Standard and/or video exploration is working well for you and I'm glad for it but since your focus is naturally there entirely, it seems to me you are better off as former member of yhc rather than in that hopefuls category; is this alright with you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in the enduring words of a frustrated classmate: "I only *say* crazy stuff and everyone says I'm nuts but *you DO even crazier stuff* and nobody says anything!!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: especially so all-important to affirm it, not to ..be it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not all that strange if you think of *why* is it so all-important, heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform, lol, I'm only vaguely aware of it as a reference; I rarely (very rarely) watch films at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but anyway, I doubt there's any way I can somehow express that just through description as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's that the one thing that trumps everything else, the total terror, nothing else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that they follow blindly is one thing; more at the root though, I'd say it's the fact that they will desperately push into the flock, it's at times a very vivid illustration of what I can only call - the desire to not-be-individual
(ossasepia) diana_coman: literally to see for a couple of days how sheep behave; the bland "they follow one another" fails utterly to capture any of it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform ah, no, that won't do anything, hm
(ossasepia) diana_coman shall not spoil the PPE mystery and allow readers to enjoy it!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now recalling the village-life discussion - have you ever seen sheep as in more than "look, there's some sheep over there"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, they are trying! it's called PPE!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fashion really; but what difference exactly do you think it makes ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, common; it's like expecting people at latest film to *still* worry about the previous film's action, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: verschlimbesserung (thank you for the term, bvt!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not hysterical, it's just ...with a purpose, ok?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform what exactly would you class as "care/notice"? as in where & how can that even happen exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now a tailor/barber/gym-operator in one like that might be even rarer than not-redbrick, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yeah, redbrick is expected too; the surprise is if it is something else, really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform bwahaha, redbrick is a never-ending-complaint in my house
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but anyway, from what I saw the "distancing" idea is that people get out of the way simply so honestly, I don't mind it at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: funnily enough, trying to find a "village" we ended up walking all the way to ..."the town"; apparently we failed to register the 3 houses as village or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so next time I guess I'll just get a boat to start with, makes more sense anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bank queues ? ahahah ; so far I saw only supermarket and shop queues
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, is that anything special? I tried to get to the hills, proper hills, god-damned it but I still ended up with mainly walking-on-the-flat-near-the-river
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have to admit though that I find the orderly queues quite funny to watch - from a distance, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yeah, at the weekend it was absolutely packed in and around the chiltern hills area
(ossasepia) diana_coman: here I barely saw any masks at all at any time; gotta be London the worst, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lmao; then again, I guess on one hand "wtf all the pretense, they are all ~same anyway" and otoh since it still goes ahead anyway...why not push it further, ofc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahahah, that figuring out proof by induction clearly left its mark
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh, do they expect one to move now without even visiting?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, so move 2 to follow, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I thought it was either Bath or York
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform how's the move going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you are possibly quite right there, indeed, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform one of those days I'll figure out what's this falling-off-the-wagon fashion all about!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: see, I didn't yet look at it in any detail
(ossasepia) diana_coman: welcome back cruciform
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, I noticed the unix timestamps in the log files, made for a pleasant change from all the various formats/not 2 the same otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can kind of see the use for it more in the blogo-monthly log indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh for yrc I don't particularly see it as a big thing either way
(ossasepia) diana_coman: alright, noted
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, the 2 are separate, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, that sounds sensible
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw in further yrc nitpicks - does it apply lowercase to incoming nicks or how does it manage to end up with 2 windows for the same nick only based on case-sensitiveness? e.g. /msg NickServ will end up in window NickServ but reply will end up in a new window, nickserv
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as I said earlier and meant it, thank you for stating your mind on it all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov - I'll keep reading your further statements , as you said you intend to publish them; it's late here and I'll go offline now but I'll be back tomorrow as usual if there's anything else you want to ask.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov no, I didn't mean that at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even lucky to be alive*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov well, you can say that to anything really, sure; one is even alive to be still breathing, so far; until they die, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: iirc there is even a public statement somewhere re this, if anyone cares to dig it out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov you do realise that there are eulora players with negative ratings from mp and yes, they are not affected; does this answer your question?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov do I understand it correctly that you have now a bone to pick with eulora or with s.mg or with me or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and no funds disappeared.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov lolz, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thinking of what you meant re those questions - if you mean whether I know what sort of player eulora targets for instance - yes, I do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: alright; I don't know that part.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: from what you said, I understand you made money from tmsr being there, while keeping a low profile.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, from what I gather, trinque has his firm and ben vulpes has his too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so let me restate that: from those active in tmsr, it was only MP who made money from *outside* tmsr.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov yes, mp was /is commerce and s.mg is his; I did indeed take him out of it since it was all in the context of reference to trinque's observations; perhaps I cut there too short the corner and it became unclear
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ask me if there's anything unclear, I don't mind
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I don't follow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov - I didn't mean that as strictly "code", no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: technically speaking I should have said *what s.mg developed* rather than eulora since the entity in question is really s.mg.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: right now, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the log and readers that might be unaware - the "few active players" is because of a public decision that went along the lines of "beta clearly successful given the amount of playtime and *money* players poured in, so will focus on getting out the rsa-version before anything else"; and if someone thinks that players who have in game full bitcoins are somehow "not active" because not playing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and note that I ran a node and it's even still public ; the foundation did 0 for eulora if you want to count that too.
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