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(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, can you help re ^ ? (in short: need musltronic system, what can I do)
(trilema) diana_coman: well, either there is cuntoo and then can try with it or there isn't, in which no choice apparently other than rotor buildroot style
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's unclear that a musltronic version of euloratron is in way easier to achieve atm because of dependencies
(trilema) diana_coman: I see; in that case it would seem cuntoo is needed then indeed
(trilema) diana_coman: I should add in case it's not clear that part of the reason for trying to do it starting from a conventional gentoo is that it gives a recipe to apply afterwards (if it works, obv) to current server too
(trilema) diana_coman: obviously, failing this first approach, next would be to get cuntoo on it and try it directly there; as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827894
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827889 <- in short because existing machine is production environment, there are limits to doing experiments on it
(trilema) diana_coman: esp libmysqlclient is potentially iffy because it has dependencies that go deeper but atm I don't know until I try it; unless someone else tried similar /knows better?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827895 <- my (possibly naive) idea was to try first on conventional gentoo by recompiling with musltronic gcc what I need; asciilifeform perhaps knows upfront: would it work to (re-)emerge libs such as zlib and libmysqlclient using the musltronic-gcc?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo it is NOT asap, no; take your time, no hurry
(trilema) diana_coman: right; I can confirm I tried that on my rockchip too with same results as you had already reported
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha, that's pretty much the recipe I'll try to follow
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, that was my understanding so that's good then
(trilema) diana_coman: so there is a chance it'll work; if not, at least I'll know what part is even more idiotic than the rest
(trilema) diana_coman: I guess I'll find out by trying it at any rate
(trilema) diana_coman: or do you mean I have to have cuntoo to be able to try this?
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. on a musl system I can rebuild everything or not?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, "musl libs" meaning libs built with musl, right? that's my current understanding
(trilema) diana_coman: the server is a ball of fuck that was trimmed from earth-size to country-size, but still
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, eulora-particular really
(trilema) diana_coman: great, thanks
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, uhm, not at this stage; can haz precisely dulap-whatevers setup s.mg came with?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, same as s.mg server really if possible
(trilema) diana_coman: and I'm not that keen on testing on yet another arch basically
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, not on rockchip, on s.mg server but basically just setting for the session the $PATH to point to musl gnat
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up FundsAreSafuh
(trilema) diana_coman: FundsAreSafuh, what do you spend your time on?
(trilema) diana_coman: that doesn't make any sense
(trilema) diana_coman: FundsAreSafuh, how do you plan to "join" exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, well, it brings an existing project to the point from where it can be further changed/developed correctly; with respect to the past it makes now explicit the intended order (which existed anyway but was previously less strictly enforced meaning on branches and when those are brought together only)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824467 <- hm, that sounds more like a guarantor of sorts than an arbiter?
(trilema) diana_coman: funny how this hw guy can't even do as much as the girls with tits managed
(trilema) diana_coman: cnomad, precisely; just... it needs a recipient to accumulate in; basically how is anyone to say it's same *you* next time you join?
(trilema) diana_coman: cnomad, do you specifically want to *not* develop a reputation here ?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v F0D3BF6C74645C228DA0009E4B47A1E8956EE9308AE21F956F13B504227D9A4F
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820437 <- I can very gladly report that it works! I've re-built gnat on an x86_64; took the aarch64-native to the rockchip; unpacked, set, compiled ffa ch1 and ran, all perfectly fine; ave1 you rock!
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, tmsr=temeswar warum nicht
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, cheers
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds great to me
(trilema) diana_coman: will do tomorrow and report back
(trilema) diana_coman: oh hey, that's great news! thanks for the ping asciilifeform ; and thanks ave1 for the script; I'll add it to the list to get on the rockchip
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, do you mean adding a manifest to eucrypt or what exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: that much is certainly true so my rating stands as it is
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rated shinohai
(trilema) diana_coman: shinohai's blog looks slick and I wish him all the best but his post reads to me as a full-blown collection of strawmen (what "consensus decided"? what is "official reason given" even supposed to mean exactly? etc); at most I can read it as a mistaken "if not a lord then not a member either" but an honest mistake is just about the most positive reading I can do of that thing
(trilema) diana_coman: good work though, I'll give it a go
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, thanks; looking forward to the rest of the walk to mp-wp at any rate (I can see the appeal of ligthtpd for sure)
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, wasn't it more ro than en on a wordcount basis?
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes, re php 7.2 I'm totally lost as to what new (as opposed to old) mess it brings in
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819137 -> they do indeed so it seems it is the same problem, yes; I just didn't know if anyone had already struggled with it with any success
(trilema) diana_coman: for completeness: it's about php 5.6.34 with gcc 4.9.4 ; libxml2 is 2.9.7
(trilema) diana_coman: has anyone installed php successfully on a rockchip? it fails to build on mine with a lot of "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" and a search for this sort of thing seems to suggest it might have to do with libxml version; anyone ran into this and sorted it out already?
(trilema) diana_coman: sure; I'm exposing current image, not giving a rating
(trilema) diana_coman: douchebag, from here it really looks like your end goal is really "that the world finally finds my hobby extremely useful and terribly important to the point that it ALSO becomes very meaningful"
(trilema) diana_coman: because you don't do x and don't know y and etc
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, weren't you just "I wanna pass compliance tests" one sec ago?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, for all the world if the above doesn't scream "boy" at you (instead of dwarf, I don't know what else can)
(trilema) diana_coman: douchebag, does it matter in your books who are the customers?
(trilema) diana_coman: so your end goal is "to have a job"?
(trilema) diana_coman goes to offer commercial penetration testing, sampling and peppering services
(trilema) diana_coman: well, you can offer them already, what sort of goal is this
(trilema) diana_coman: douchebag, what is your end goal ?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, he's a schoolboy, not a lord; what of it; when (if) he grows up, revisit;
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, yes, it does; it's basically version 2.0
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, you do have a say; but you have your say with the one paying for the box!
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, but first and foremost: what does it meant then "it's X's person"?
(trilema) diana_coman: what does otherwise "it's mircea_popescu's person" mean?
(trilema) diana_coman: then you go and talk to mircea_popescu , yes
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, my reading is that pizarro does business with mp here though, not with douchebag
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes, there is no positive cancels negative; for starters, it's not a sum
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha, I know; my point was: we need to have this tested and ironed out and we are golden
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, free bla bla; no, I meant with the output of ave1's script (even if at the very root one used adacore's, once upon a time, fine); basically what I was trying to do yesterday on rockchip
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, fsf?
(trilema) diana_coman: I'd really like to have a clear and tested way to bootstrap with non-adacore gnat though
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1, happy to say that your script worked perfectly fine on x86_64 with Adacore's 2016 gnat!
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O as much as I'd like to lose cpp all together and even forget that it ever existed, that's not feasible atm
(trilema) diana_coman: re size and disk I mean
(trilema) diana_coman: good to know really; perhaps add those notes to the post so it's all in one place?
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1, seems it needs more tweaking, as it still fails the same: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IqoYy/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways, might as well try it now
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I'd rather cross compile too if it works because then I can use the rockchip as launchpad for everything else, why not
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, let me change that and try it again then
(trilema) diana_coman: from yesterday
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1, yes, that was on the rockchip
(trilema) diana_coman: thanks, I'll try it
(trilema) diana_coman: it seems it wants --host to cross-compile the x86
(trilema) diana_coman: sure, I'll paste the stuff today and ping you
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I was testing so at least tested it to break it, ofc :P
(trilema) diana_coman: aaa, so it's x86_64_for_aarch64
(trilema) diana_coman: I did not investigate further but I can do that
(trilema) diana_coman: basically the non-native was not arm; the native at least ran but then the script failed anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814099 <- hm, at least the one asciilifeform obtained did not run on my rockchip (arm arch) so I might need to look deeper into this as to why it didn't; at any rate: mind adding to your post the obtained gnat binaries so I try with them directly from you and then report what fails if anything?
(trilema) diana_coman: so I started ave1's script on a pc and hopefully I'll have a fresh gnat in the morning
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813816 <- rounding this up: tried it and yes, as expected, arm indeed but can't really use it since no musl
(trilema) diana_coman quit once a "workplace" with the exact: your idiotic problems won't be my problems anymore
(trilema) diana_coman: it might be my weird optimism but I'd say people are so starved of interesting problems that not-being-idiotic is already a huge reward
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I really get that but onth if I have to get a bin I'd much, much rather get one from you than from adacore
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, why I chose the other one; but I can try the native one anyway too, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: kind of what testing is for, at any rate
(trilema) diana_coman: well, we found it
(trilema) diana_coman: but kind of weird, I mean: which wrong ball
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, let me try again then
(trilema) diana_coman: and fwiw I tried running from there also ./aarch64-musl-linux-cpp -> same result
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this should be the arm thing; hence the above confirmation with asciilifeform that I took the correct thing
(trilema) diana_coman: this on the rockchip, obv
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I took it, checked it and it was ok, unpacked it and then went to its bin and tried to run gprbuild for instance and it died with exec format error...
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/ave1/muslaarch64-linux-muslada.tar.gz should be for the rockchip, correct?
(trilema) diana_coman: thank you, I'll try it out
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes please
(trilema) diana_coman: so let's see; if it works with asciilifeform's freshly produced arm64 gnat
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, but apparently can't bootstrap on arm
(trilema) diana_coman: so hm, put it somewhere so I get it to my rockchip and test it in one blow?
(trilema) diana_coman: I thought adacore had a gnat for arm too?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, come to think of it I could try it on my rockchip I suppose
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently my local-gentoo-for-testing is still borked somewhere in some gcc version as it turns out it had died with ..cannot create executables (although gcc is set to 4.9 etc but this is an experimental box so I'll have to sort it out)
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds great actually
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, mind writing it down somewhere head-tail: did this on that and result is this?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, I started it too and I'll leave it on, will see tomorrow morning I guess
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1, if I want to test your gnat-building script what steps should I follow so that I have at the end of it maximum info re what works/doesn't and in what context exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: (in case anyone wonders: ref there is to google cloud's "/* we like this prime */" )
(trilema) diana_coman: so much weird in that set re key generation; many seem to have e=35 which sounds like one step further from "we like 37" (so why not 35, it's a number just as good as 37!)
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1, any chance you tweak that script so I can at least test it in stages rather than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing thing?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, that last 20% ...
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ave1 did you succeed building gnat on non-musl gentoo?
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes, indeed; pushgetblocks patch seems to keep hdd node at the top without any problem
(trilema) diana_coman is not laughing as she met the belief irl...
(trilema) diana_coman: well of course; once that stumbling block, annoying and unfair and barrier to entry and everything that is bad - aka comprehension is removed, all is plain sailing; no surprise there
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hmmm, I had in mind an even faster she-reader but I can't seem to find ref; that works too I suppose although I suspect the fromdeedbot guy "read" even faster
(trilema) diana_coman: !!down fromdeedbot
(trilema) diana_coman: until then you have nothing to say in there
(trilema) diana_coman: fromdeedbot, read and understand; DO something; come and show "here, I did this because x and y and z"
(trilema) diana_coman: and who asked you anything about what you agree/don't agree with?
(trilema) diana_coman: go read about "I just wanted to"; apparently the moment you say "I just..." it's all the same what you follow with
(trilema) diana_coman: fromdeedbot, I gave you a template for asking questions; use it when you ask next question; be warned that if you keep up with the idle "asking" , I will negrate you
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect he "read" them like that tits-girl: in one night he "read" them all, what
(trilema) diana_coman: fromdeedbot, so then, state your question like an intelligent person: I've read this (link) and this (link) and this (link) and as far as I understand it I think you are saying there x and y and z; am I correct? how /why is x.1 so and so rather than so and the other etc.
(trilema) diana_coman: fromdeedbot, "recently" doesn't change anything; read and understand the "old" stuff - around here meaning doesn't magically expire
(trilema) diana_coman: fromdeedbot, if you genuinely wanted an answer to that question, you'd have searched the logs first
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, this 3-step magic approach: 1. put out a disclaimer mixed with minimal-risk pretence of having done some homework 2. flatter generically and at minimal cost to self 3. "ask" about some current buzzwords, as a cheap way of signalling
(trilema) diana_coman: cool, I'll just set the time and otherwise at reboot I'll check at least, just in case
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, noted; thank you mod6, asciilifeform
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, ack and connected; thanks
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, asciilifeform can use the rockchip straight away and then plug in the fg when ready, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 6023D6B5BFEA03FD3048294A89AF6A0AF8F3177DCC6DB1367D5870B421FCC477
(trilema) diana_coman: !!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 1
(trilema) diana_coman: !!received-invoices
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, ok, I'll take 1 rockchip with FG on a quarterly plan
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, I want to rent a rockchip *with* fg please - http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807153
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v C18E042836B52E2B23563E9DC1EF0BAC7D1B5E992C5922ADDCF944672FE68BB4
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, mod6 what's the price for a rockchip *with* fg as per asciilifeform's description above?
(trilema) diana_coman: it existed and it costs (A LOT) and we are pointedly and in-your-eyes-as-visible-as-possible nuking it whenever we can
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, there is no such thing as "crud never existed" ; we are not re-writing history here wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: basically if you change something on which existing patches depend then it breaks, yes; why not put it on existing fully-pressed tree though?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, why new genesis, I don't follow?
(trilema) diana_coman: (we don't have anything else to use so use the pile of shit, yes)
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, well, it ultimately depends on your vpatch (what it does *exactly*), neh? chopping off some unused and moreover useless parts is valuable but a. it needs to be done making sure that nothing breaks b. mpi is and will still be a pile of shit
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; and not of much use really
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, no such thing as secure memory really
(trilema) diana_coman: that sounds good ave1, looking forward to reading the post on it, when ready
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate it's not the sort of thing I'd try directly on a remote machine as it messes up with the local gcc so this will be fun
(trilema) diana_coman: did anyone publish a compilation recipe for adacore's gnat on republican gentoo? searching the logs returned only various troubles and otherwise mod6's attempt as most recent from what I can tell: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685215
(trilema) diana_coman: lol, unintended!
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them
(trilema) diana_coman: also comment/critique away at it; I'm especially interested to hear if you see any problems with its current structure/missing parts/unclear parts/anything
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, atm it's rfc anyway so if there is something specific you require from client-writer perspective, ask for it at any rate
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, thanks; that kernel recompile I did was precisely for getting support for iptables so it's all set now.
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, no, enough experimenting I'd say
(trilema) diana_coman: so I guess it'll have to be 755
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, trinque this is just too brittle : how about moving dirs/files in there?
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. new file had r and write for user but nothing for group
(trilema) diana_coman: the file inherited the group ownership but not the group permissions from what I can tell
(trilema) diana_coman: at least I can change the permissions though to what they need
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, new files show up as diana_coman:apache BUT apparently still not with the right permissions to get served
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, ok
(trilema) diana_coman: I think trinque's suggestion makes perfect sense, as long as new files get by default user:apache too
(trilema) diana_coman: why exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: since it seems the fix to the fix is another wait, I'll set for now 755 on the files as otherwise ckang still won't be able to get the client and try the game
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, plox fix ^
(trilema) diana_coman: myah, operation not permitted
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc that required root rights but will try
(trilema) diana_coman: no,I need to change from diana:diana to diana:apache
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I need to change the *group*
(trilema) diana_coman: files created in the ~/www dir should default /inherit apache group
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm not sure how this will work if groupownership of file changes from apache to my user every time I modify a file
(trilema) diana_coman: gah, I meant: permissions got screwed, not ownership
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh mircea_popescu I changed to minigame.biz and now the ownership of the files reverted to me and therefore index.html not available and it's again screwed; ben_vulpes ?
(trilema) diana_coman: btw thanks BingoBoingo
(trilema) diana_coman: I can't yet see it from here - will give it some time and check again later
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque's suggestions sounds good to me
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, yes, go ahead
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, k
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I've transfered the stuff to the folder from ben_vulpes said apache serves; but more than that I can't check/see
(trilema) diana_coman: morning mod6 !
(trilema) diana_coman: hence my q to ben_vulpes as to what link I can use to see my stuff at all
(trilema) diana_coman: I tried that first, earlier
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently not: "not found"
(trilema) diana_coman: so basically now I can plonk all my stuff in there and ...wait
(trilema) diana_coman: since I did not get any ns anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: I was hoping that part was already done :D
(trilema) diana_coman: or uhm, ben_vulpes what's the link at which *my stuff* is served?
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, I don't need the wp stuff; what do I need to do to nuke it ?
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, ack & confirmed I'm in
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, in short: bridge gap until eulora's server migrates to eucrypt; not a solution to anything, nor a desired anything
(trilema) diana_coman: is there a tmsr patch/recipe for feeding /dev/random from fgs? my search of logs yielded only http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783118
(trilema) diana_coman: ascii_lander, will do; ftr I used make config/menuconfig etc on the few occasions I compiled gentoo kernels before so genkernel would be new anyway; will look at it all tomorrow morning with fresh eyes
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm sort of noob+ with gentoo, not more, so it will likely take *me* more than that, lol; but still need to figure it out anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: ascii_lander, as far as I can see there is no support for iptables ? do I need to recompile the kernel?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!pay-invoice lobbes 1
(trilema) diana_coman surprisingly...did
(trilema) diana_coman: the classic solution of "use a bigger hammer"
(trilema) diana_coman: log is full of port scanning but that's kind of expected anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: as far as I can tell the hardware including fgs seems to be as expected and working, hopefully all is fine
(trilema) diana_coman: ascii_lander, ok; when do you estimate getting to dc?
(trilema) diana_coman: !Q later tell ascii_lander fingerprint of server is not included; python is version 3.5.4, ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: alternatively the hello message stays single-packet and uses a keccak hash of the public key (n,e,comment) as "account ID" so 3.1.5; then key is sent via Data packages and basically I need to define another type for RSA public key; server can ask/expect the RSA key *every time* to preserve same answer behaviour or otherwise only if it doesn't know the key
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