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mircea_popescu: turns out there's no actual reads worth the mention online.
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
ben_vulpes: !!up jhvh1
deedbot: jhvh1 voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819346 <-- funnily enough, one of the first (at least AFAIK) pointedly american pieces seen on tv in romania was promoted by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728889 in its first year of existence, "die hard" w/bruce willis. they still air it every year in december. this completely ignoring the fact that romanians had their very own diehard-mcclane since the '70s, i.e. comisarul moldovan.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 00:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819266 << the shoemaker's favourite tv , allegedly
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 18:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit the matter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728843 : adrian sirbu, possibly the only romanian to have done anything since 1989 (he created the deliberate usg tool Pro Tv in 1995, a media company whose wikipedia page no longer mentions him -- very much a successful equivalent of the failed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048), has recently been accused of... you'll guess this not ? TERRORISM!
diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?
diana_coman: good work though, I'll give it a go
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/outage-after-english-leader-sentenced-to-13-months-and-british-court-orders-media-blackout-cowardly-mainstream-publications-including-breitbart-withdrew-articles/ << Qntra - Outage After English Leader Sentenced To 13 Months And British Court Orders Media Blackout Cowardly Mainstream Publications Including Breitbart Withdrew Articles
mod6: mornin' TMSR~
spyked: !!v 9E6F6B0FFA445BA0C5E02758B2BE677459BB0045720B2B45D1AC8CFB31A1E780
deedbot: spyked rated spykedbot 1 << spyked's botworks playground
spyked: ^ apologies in advance for any noise this little bugger may make.
trinque: spyked: should I turn off deedbot RSS?
spyked: trinque, no, the bot doesn't do anything yet. but there'll be likely some join/part spam. and I'm also wondering whether it should try to self-voice when it gets a -v
spyked: but I will rebase the rss bot on top of this afterwards and I'll ping you right before I bring rss in-chan.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, via BingoBoingo's links, 'The Daily Stormer is being sued by Jewish terrorists. In order to survive, we need shekels. Send BTC or XMR. This site will be shut down if we don’t win this.'
asciilifeform: ( if anyone forgot -- this is the weev crackpottery, that somehow oh-we-must-use-dns etc )
asciilifeform: wtf is xmr anyway.
asciilifeform: !#s xmr
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: XMR is the "ring signature" thing fluffypony defected to
asciilifeform: ah lol that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc he perpetrated it, not simply 'defected to'
BingoBoingo: That part is opaque
asciilifeform: troo, more or less all usg scamola has a designated 'author' who, however, even if wired to the mains cannot give an arithmetically consistent statement of how it works
asciilifeform: ( last time i bothered to look, it was also a sort of final refuge of botnet artists, being one of the few major shitcoins that has not yet been raped by chinese asic makers )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 09:22 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819346 <-- funnily enough, one of the first (at least AFAIK) pointedly american pieces seen on tv in romania was promoted by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728889 in its first year of existence, "die hard" w/bruce willis. they still air it every year in december. this completely ignoring the fact that romanians had their very own diehard-mcclane since the '70s, i.e. comisarul moldovan.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 17:24 asciilifeform: e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело'
asciilifeform: !#seen fluffypony
a111: 2016-03-24 <fluffypony> otherwise you learn nothing and you're forever forced to wallow in your own ignorance
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422814 << the , imho, revealing thread with subj.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-05 19:12 asciilifeform: fluffypony: solve how ?
trinque: spyked: kk
trinque: !!v 9BCF81FBDBB069DE56DE9F721D8EE148E2B7584076BDA1F51CA07D4CAAAEC063
deedbot: trinque paid ben_vulpes invoice 7
trinque: !!v 1F6B436B038BCE18F364C4290E4CAAD32ED33BAFA9F7DA3831E31ABA30AB7118
deedbot: trinque paid ben_vulpes invoice 8
mircea_popescu: spyked, not ignoring ; replacing. THAT is why diehard, otherwise who the fuck cares.
mircea_popescu: "ax handle"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, holy shit, these morons. "oh we just want to get along". WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, have not forgot. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819761 ; but somehow FORGOT the part where he comes here, explains he's been stupid and why and wherefore. much like ers is STILL to face the dysfunctional idiocy of his collaboration.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 15:19 asciilifeform: in other lulz, via BingoBoingo's links, 'The Daily Stormer is being sued by Jewish terrorists. In order to survive, we need shekels. Send BTC or XMR. This site will be shut down if we don’t win this.'
mircea_popescu: being retarded has, over being THIS fucking stupid, the serious advantage of 50 or so IQ points.
mircea_popescu: most people don't amount to much in this life ; but to manage to amount to ~ a negative value ~ it really fucking takes some negative IQ.
asciilifeform: derp swallowed 'headcountism', all else follows, neh.
asciilifeform: 'if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal' etc.
mircea_popescu: AND THEN DID NOT ACCOMPLISH GOAL.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it is strictyly incorrect to measure IQ as a natural number. IQ is in R, and is defined as IQ = results ^ -1/(resources-results).
asciilifeform: i find it a puzzler, what the cartoon these folx are watching inside their heads, even ~is~. (e.g. it ain't as if, say, lenin, 'accomplished' by 'normal people visiting')
asciilifeform: what's the intended model.
mircea_popescu: actually myeah, that's not corect.
asciilifeform: results / resources
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : if results are negative, iq is a negative exponential the result- resource disparity ; if results are positive, iq is a positive logarithmic of same disparity.
mircea_popescu: ie, if resources are 10, result of 1000 means iq of 10 ; result of 10mn means iq of 1k. result of -1 means iq of -100 and result of -10 means iq of -1k
mircea_popescu: the iq this defined ~just abou sums~, meaning if a group of 101 peeps contains 100 ppl of iq 10 and one guy of -1k iq, the group net result will be 0.
mircea_popescu: ("the net result of the group's activity")
spyked: mircea_popescu, may be. but then I have no idea why mediapro filmed the last (bestest etc., according to them) movie in the series in 2008. musta been an attempt at revival.
mircea_popescu: you still don't understand how stealing the having been stolen from works, huh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, no, dude came to #b-a to see what's being said re monero / what can be used by monero / whatever. finger on pulse. the meet-up was http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 15:24 asciilifeform: troo, more or less all usg scamola has a designated 'author' who, however, even if wired to the mains cannot give an arithmetically consistent statement of how it works
a111: Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
a111: Logged on 2014-10-02 21:28 mircea_popescu: davidlatapie i have nfi idea what monero is because in spite of being invited fluffypony doesn't want to give the group a presentation. the comment is just as to the improbable nature of the name. why mew and what's someone not in on the jokes to make of it.
mircea_popescu: by now this "won't do what mp says do" is such a bell...
asciilifeform: see linked thread, d00d tapped out at 'go read paper', when asciilifeform:'yes i read paper, now say how ring sig doesn't slowly leak' and fluffypony:'[various squid ink]'
mircea_popescu: that being the alternative available explanation, not that i credit it. "oh, it's too hard to explain to these people wtf, i'd rather just doodle".
asciilifeform: he seemed puzzled by the very idea of an audience that demands an explanation of mechanism.
asciilifeform: 'redditus loads up on doge without any such explanations; so why not these folk also' i suspect was it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, in so far as i can tell 'monero' is simply 1 of 3 or 4 tor-style honeypots for the dimwitted 'death ray plot' candidates in the shitcoin space.
asciilifeform: ( the others being the z-whatevers, 2 of'em and i can't recall how they differed, the one with 'z-snark' and other other, with the magical rng seed)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 02:04 asciilifeform: '2017-02-21: The patch is surreptitiously snuck into the Monero codebase in pull request #1744. It is kept secret to prevent it being used to attack other CryptoNote coins.'
mircea_popescu: spyked, first, you give injuns plastic beads, "just like" their bone beads. THEN you install "american bone bead factory". logix.
ave1: asciilifeform, I'm sorry for this. I ran the build multiple times so I'm not sure how the patch found it's way into the last release. Fix is on it's way. (fix is to remove the patch, gmp-4.3.2-2.musl.diff from the patches directory)
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 3 hours and 12 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 15:14 asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt
asciilifeform: ave1: you wouldn't be the first to tar up wrong dir for a release, lol
asciilifeform: ave1: lemme know when you got the real deal ready for test.
ave1: Yes, will do!
asciilifeform itches to supply folx with ready-to-eat gnat-on-rockchip, both on pizarro cluster and in the flensed c101pa box
ave1: I'll also post the resulting ada aarch64 compiler
asciilifeform: ave1: that's specifically the item i'm interested in.
asciilifeform: ( musl-outputting amd64 also, however )
ave1: K, build takes a while on my aarch64,
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman is waiting for the amd64 one.
ave1: the previous release does work, but needs -static flag at all times
ave1: the new one does not need that anymore (always static)
asciilifeform: what do you mean, 'does work', it didn't produce anything i can run on arm64
asciilifeform: ( nobody, presently, has a multronic gentoo for arm, so the dynamic-musl thing was 100% junk )
ave1: Yes, so in this version I changed the config of gcc so that it only and always produces static
asciilifeform: ok, but it barfed during patching, ~2 seconds into build.
asciilifeform: ave1: plz say specifically , what this builder will output ( what types of gnats? listed by 'runs on X' and 'builds Y-type executables' )
asciilifeform: what's needed is : 1) runs-on-amd64-of-any-kind-builds-static-musl-for-amd64 2) runs-on-arm64-of-any-type-builds-static-musl-for-arm64
ave1: On AMD64 it will create 4 compilers; 1 bogus cross for amd64->amd64, 1 normal that runs on amd64 and creates amd64
ave1: 1 cross for amd64->aarch64
asciilifeform: right, unavoidable byproduct
ave1: 1 normal that runs on aarch64 and creates aarch64
asciilifeform: that last one, is what was broken in last build
asciilifeform: it demanded a musltronic linux to run on
ave1: The script can also run on aarch64 with that last one
ave1: Yes, I know, should be fixed now
ave1: On aarch64 it creates the last 2, for some reason (might be not enough memory on my aarch64) I could not get it to produce a aarch64->amd64 compiler
asciilifeform: ave1: out of curiosity, what machine were you building on ?
ave1: I build that one on qemu (for further development I ordered an A64 from olimex, but the one I want is still out of stock)
asciilifeform: aa if qemu, simply give it moar ram ?
ave1: Yes, but the machine the qemu runs on is also almost out
ave1: After release of this I'll try
asciilifeform: once gnat-for-X builds gnat-for-Y , for all interesting values of X and Y, can declare victory.
asciilifeform is also interested in a mips gnat, but will prolly end up doing this himself as a mod of ave1's script, later
asciilifeform: ^ bare iron mips, specifically, rather than linux-
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque didja ever succeed in getting a ppc64 gnat ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( anybody else here with oddball archs ? )
asciilifeform: ... sparc ?
asciilifeform: then of course there is the 'holy grail', a cross-gnat for msdos.
asciilifeform: supposedly this even existed at one time, based ob djgpp, but asciilifeform was never able to turn up a working copy.
asciilifeform: *based on
asciilifeform: ( i dun expect to see a full adult gnat ~on~ msdos; but to cross-compile a la nintendo, would satisfy this one )
ave1: the script can build a ppc64 little endian gcc cross compiler (I tried this a while ago, I'll have to do that again with the current state of the script)
trinque has not used ^ and never finished building his own
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 13 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever succeed in getting a ppc64 gnat ?
asciilifeform does not presently have a ppc64 to try on
trinque: while on the subj of gcc, it would be very nice to get ave1's version in as the default gcc on cuntoo.
asciilifeform: really oughta be the default, aha
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz -- gnat is superset of 'normal' gcc )
trinque: and down the line I'd be thrilled to get reproducible build patches for it.
asciilifeform: trinque: ave1's whole orchestra is just that, a reproducible musltronic gnat
trinque: I mean reproducible bins for same source
asciilifeform: or at least will be, once we find and kill with fire whatever turd it is in gcc that shits current unix time into the bin
trinque: awesome.
mircea_popescu: its such a pleasure, reading these logs.
asciilifeform: ( recall good ol' msdos dayz, back when 'reproducible bin for same src' was something you got from ANY and EVERY compiler, and wtf, how to even conceive of having this problem )
mircea_popescu: 'oh look, the news." "mmmkay. so... did anything good/useful/cool happen today ?" "i dunno, let's check #trilema"
asciilifeform: ( nor was 'dynamic linking' a thing at all )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh, i recall. except weren't days of ms-dos, were days of dos and ms was barking at the edges to be let in.
asciilifeform: well 'msdos' was ms- in same way as bsd is crapple, aha.
asciilifeform: ( swallowed whole and largely undigested stone inside whale )
mircea_popescu: ie, in the way "tech geniuses" of the empire genius their genius : stolen item with serials shaved off, or as it's known nowadays, "the black clock". http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806616
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806515 << recall the black genius kid who made a clock out of "household materials" such as... a clock ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or those misfortunate roman mosaics, etc
asciilifeform: ( iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'barbarian cloinks with his hammer...' )
mircea_popescu: for a while in the early 90s one could see local tinboxes with say mercedes wheel cover glued/wired to the hood.
mircea_popescu: (not taped, tape still alien tech in 90s east)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819882 << i'll bet you it's the "absolutely must have" dns resolver.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:04 asciilifeform: or at least will be, once we find and kill with fire whatever turd it is in gcc that shits current unix time into the bin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re mercedes wheels to glue : behold! >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mvd_market.jpg
asciilifeform: i was puzzled re wtf all of that was for. now apparerently mircea_popescu has the key.
mircea_popescu: ehehe yep.
mircea_popescu: existed in tm too, holdout from the 90s. i dunno if we visited or no time
asciilifeform: ( pictured : typical market carpet in BingoBoingostan sunday market. hood ornaments, wheels, you name it. )
asciilifeform: aaactually...
asciilifeform: ^ timis '17, for comparison.
mircea_popescu: aha there we go
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ might find lulzy.
BingoBoingo: HOLY SHIT! The gypos are darker than the "Latino" Uruguayos
asciilifeform: btw , in #5 , for extra lulzpoints, << КР140УД5 >> http://www.chipinfo.ru/dsheets/ic/140/ud5.html
asciilifeform: su op amp.
BingoBoingo: And what technology! Is that a plastic tarp?
asciilifeform: certainly not a stone tarp lol
ben_vulpes: and in other "we could never shoot a cop!"s https://pdxbillboardproject.com/
mircea_popescu: dun load.
asciilifeform: loads here but is deeply hermetic ameritard rubbish, asciilifeform currently can't be arsed to decode
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes can summarize if he feels like.
ben_vulpes: "PORTLAND...IS YOUR WHITE FRAGILITY SHOWING?"
ben_vulpes: the splintering and setting of the electorate at itself continues apace.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo what didja think gypsies looked like.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A sort of Italianish pseudo-white folk.
asciilifeform regrets not having bought the hdd's, betcha they were fulla lul
asciilifeform: tho who knows how many, after N times of dumping into and out of the crate with rusty chainsaws, wrenches, etc, still ran
asciilifeform: them gypsies gotta get with the times, start stealing ssds!111
asciilifeform: also ftr they loudly curse when you photo'em but do not rise to fists.
ben_vulpes: who knew hdds had souls
BingoBoingo: Awe, the Uruguayos just mumblespeak when you photo them.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819882 << i'll bet you it's the "absolutely must have" dns resolver.
asciilifeform: sorta how asciilifeform even came to musl to begin with.
asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor.
asciilifeform: ( time + gcc ver, iirc )
asciilifeform: who thought this was a good idea, and why, i will leave as exercise for readers.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja catch the related lul, where all of 'starbucks' ( amer. burned/ersatz coffee chain ) was 'voluntarily' closed for entire day, to atone for some clerk somewhere having thrown out black bum
ben_vulpes: yeah righteous lolz
ben_vulpes: complete with "gtfo, this won't change anything" from the normal blm suspects
ben_vulpes: "of course, nothing's going to change until you start shooting cops"
BingoBoingo: AHA, Starbucks is getting into the homeless shelter business now!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: mcdonalds still wins on kcal/shitbuck
asciilifeform: the related phunphakt, is that 1) shitbux is publicly traded 2) incident made ~no visible ding on the price
asciilifeform: ( how did asciilifeform find out ? happened to walk by a door of a shitbux, there was an actual printed mea culpa affixed to the door ! )
ben_vulpes: i wonder how many days of atonement they'd have to buy before the slippage showed up
asciilifeform: why would it show up in the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376 'markets' , lol
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
ben_vulpes: someone call the impact investors: for every XX dollars you bid up the starbucks stock, we'll take a day off to self-flagellate!
ben_vulpes: social benefit!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, "publicly" traded. it's gox-traded.
asciilifeform: like erry other ameristock lol
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 14:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, this here pile of paper IS WORTH MORE THAN RUSSIA. oh that there item larger than russia is NOT WORTH ANYTHING!!!! hurr!!! MARKET!!!"
mod6: Elliot's scraps of various colored paper with all sorts of flicks-of-the-pen (and many zeros!) are not compatible with the immutable machine. And thus, will not be honored.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819855 <-- same here. and from what I understand, they're also planning to launch a RK3328-based board soon (announcement: https://olimex.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/a20-som204-and-som204-evb-preliminary-info-is-uploaded-on-our-web/ ). OTOH the specs look perfect for a ARM64-based trb machine.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 18:39 ave1: I build that one on qemu (for further development I ordered an A64 from olimex, but the one I want is still out of stock)
asciilifeform: spyked: 1G of ram. weak.
asciilifeform: certainly nogood for trb.
asciilifeform found 2G to be the barest min. that can run continuously
asciilifeform: and i'm still waiting for someone, anywhere, to make an arm box, of any kind whatsoever, with expandable ram.
asciilifeform: seems as if 0 ever made, afaik.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vapor + riotously overpriced
asciilifeform: ( for < 2x of that figure, you get a dulap-class box, with 32 cpu, 256G ram, raid card, etc )
asciilifeform: one would have to be a complete idiot to buy 2 of the linked golden toilets ( supposing they were in fact for sale, which they dun appear to be, tho vendor site still alive and claiming )
BingoBoingo: Well, provided it ships thing is "of any kind whatsoever" with expandable RAM
asciilifeform: for all i know, lockheed, or harris, or ibm, etc, ship one. i was speaking strictly of boxes priced to sell, not usg circus props.
asciilifeform: understand, 600 usgbux buys whole ( minus power supply ) rc pilot plant ! incl disk !!
asciilifeform: i.e. 6 boxen, or 24 cpu (4 per), however you like to cut it.
asciilifeform: !!up BreakingRae
deedbot: BreakingRae voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: BreakingRae: who might you be ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in odd spams, https://rndmthts.com
mod6: evenin'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 12:10 diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?
mod6: asciilifeform regrets not having bought the hdd's, betcha they were fulla lul << lol, srsly.
asciilifeform: know what asciilifeform won't miss at all when we dump fleanode ? how about the join/part vermin.
mod6: same
mircea_popescu apologizes.
mircea_popescu: tis a young domme working to shed it.
esthlos: hey asciilifeform : I'm trying out ratpoison, and lovin it. Mind sharing your workflow/ratpoisonrc?
asciilifeform: esthlos: not only will share, but it'll come standard on those c101pa boxen.
esthlos: ooooh
esthlos: might as well ask: do you have a copy of naggum's emacs?
asciilifeform: esthlos: re: .ratpoisonrc : it is different on diff boxen, because screen res. here's http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LmIrz/?raw=true the one from the box i happen to be sitting at just now.
asciilifeform: esthlos: i do not have a copy of naggum's anything, aside from a few usenet posts
esthlos: ah, sad
asciilifeform: this is not to say that nobody does.
esthlos: thanks for the rc
asciilifeform: but i haven't any notion who.
asciilifeform: esthlos: np
asciilifeform: it isn't very useful, imho, my rc, this is intensely individual thing
asciilifeform: (useful to others, i mean. to me -- very useful)
asciilifeform: it is very particular to my display layout here in this particular room, for instance.
asciilifeform: on lappies you'll want a key that shows battery status, for example.
esthlos: based on "bind e exec emacs": you don't run as a server?
asciilifeform: what's to be gained from it ?
asciilifeform: so that 1 emacs can wedge and hang ALL of them ? nothx
esthlos: mostly protects me from stupidly closing last emacs frame
asciilifeform: why would this be a problem ?
esthlos: well, then I have to spin up my buffers again
asciilifeform: if this is serious problem for you, write a save-restore elisp for yer buffers
esthlos: ...never thought of that
asciilifeform: my emacs does not have this problem. prolly on account of the MB or so of multigenerational elisp in'ere
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: if only they had had the sense to v-tree it.
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