mod6: sure, you're doing good work. looking forward to your submissions when ready.
phf: mircea_popescu: he had one megapatch that i remember being somewhat controversial, it's the one where he reworked the logging facility, but the other two look reasonably small (rm unused functions and add sendrawtransaction rpc). i remember there being some issues with asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum and asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring that required at least two regrinds, which was around the time he was working on his.
mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I've got a sendrawtxn patch sitting over here << actually, i should mention that i /did/ create a trb sendrawtransaction (just this one rpc call) vpatch late last year, but never sent -- really wanted the rest of the gang 'create', 'sign', etc.
mircea_popescu: phf, a yeah, there was some of that too, it's coming back to me now.
trinque: mod6: yeah makes sense. not much use by itself without.
phf: yeah, it was a combination of factors. his logging facility patch received a lot of criticism, though i now regret voicing mine. it's a bit of a bike shed problem, everyone has their own idea of how to do it "right", but it's not done to this day.
mod6: phf: this is a solid point. I think everyone wants their own way of logging/logging statements.
mircea_popescu: goes right back to the problem of the unknown. i CAN shoot down bikeshedding if i know the person. i can't if they're unknown, because then it's legitimate part of dogs sniffing butts getting to know each other.
mod6: One vpatch that is looking pretty nice is ben_vulpes's logging sub-string chop chop.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah.
trinque: I forgot you had the wandering patches too.
mod6: thx for posting the links gentlemen.
phf: aha, it's either in experimental or in deprecated
trinque: long day, little sleep. spent the morning directing movers.
trinque: to digress, one of the guys called the porch a "pollo" and I swear he was fucking with me.
trinque: after that, he says his computer didn't work (hey, you're a computer guy, right?) and showed me a picture of a dell laptop docking station, so who knows. maybe he goes out and drinks beer on his chicken
phf: pivo and pollo mexican russian fusion food odessa, tx
mircea_popescu: "Odessa is a city in western Texas. Downtown, Jack Ben Rabbit is an 8-foot-tall statue of a jackrabbit. "
mircea_popescu: if anything screams "deserted midwest" more than these "tall statue" shenanigans...
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"
phf: well it's the world's LARGEST jackrabbit, so ya gotta see it!
mircea_popescu: kinda the same mental process that impels doods to save their largest booger.
mircea_popescu: "As in many municipalities, some of the largest employers are in the education, government, and healthcare industries."
mod6: I went through midland/odessa once, didn't stop. Kept foot on gas.
mod6: "This is the birthplace of First Lady Laura Bush!" ... zoooooom
mod6: That day I think I set a PR for furthest driven in one single day: OKC->Dallas->El Paso->Tucson
trinque: lots of oil out there; only real reason to go
mod6: yeah, i remember smelling it in the air.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 23:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy .
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:27 mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"
spyked: the biggest win point is imho the chair they placed there: "please sir, to admire this fine fork"
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:53 phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
a111: 2016-01-22 <polarbeard> hi
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:25 phf: heh, main changes in recent versions of slime: additions of mezzano interaction (lisp "operating system"), but the lulzy part additions of large variety of deprecation errors and warnings.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 16:40 asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc.
deedbot: trinax voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure it's worth doing at all. you need >1 per agent, what.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this guy. "lawn colored bird" "rock colored bird".
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street.
phf: asciilifeform: i would be pleasantly surprised if the machine can have a blobless video/wifi
mircea_popescu: yes well, not everyone's an asshole. i don't recall the last time someone came up with the idea of assaulting ro embassies.
mod6: Nice pics BingoBoingo, funny comments too
phf: asciilifeform: aha, i figured as much, idle curiosity about where the hardware boundaries lie. we'll find out soon enough!
mircea_popescu: such a good thing five successive generations of nulands did in germany.
mircea_popescu: hey phf can i get a count of words / day in my loglines ?
trinque: ugh, shame on me. that was running in a tmux
trinque: massive uptime has its upsides and down
deedbot: beeteecee voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: shurdeek voiced for 30 minutes.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-25 01:18 mircea_popescu: a db is a good tool for pre-given solutions for some kinds of problems. it is not a tool for implementing arbitrary expressivity.
trinque: ben_vulpes: you should hear my oil buddy talk about excel sometime
ben_vulpes: that said the rigorish typing of postgres has been a boon in this one circumstance where the tower of complexititus threatens to overwhelm me at every step
trinque: dunno if it'll make you laugh or cry, but either's good drinking
ben_vulpes: trinque: you know i tell folks i squirt grease on the largest $problem-domain spreadsheet they could possibly imagine when they ask what i do; i can laugh and cry about it allll day
ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu #templeos-irc is a wall of noise, terry is out to lunch
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i dun agree ; excel is clown car. the db stuff... not really.
ben_vulpes: sure, john deere with anal impaler in operator seat
ben_vulpes: when will it fire will it fire today let's find out
ben_vulpes: i exaggerate, db constraints and stored procedures and transactionality and permissions are all very nice things.
mircea_popescu: unlike vbasic and moreover, the very fucking NOTION of "here is a list of cells, grapghically displayed"
mircea_popescu: worst possible assumptions made for this gui-centric non-db system.
mircea_popescu: that it's popular with the sort of meat puppets populating the pantsuit vatfarms is unsurprising -- it's pretty much engineered to cater to their batshit insane worldview.
mircea_popescu: there's a very deep link between "putin doesn't understand how the world works ; notwithstanding which he stole our election" and "cell (5,7) on your screen".
ben_vulpes: links to the ml advocates, their jupyter notebooks, and the troubles they have "getting from research to production" too i'd hazard
ben_vulpes: "can never demonstrate the absence of bugs" notwithstanding, i don't know why folks don't slow down and test that their deliverables do what they claim before making claims
trinque sees untested deliverables on two legs every day
ben_vulpes: hey, one of my deliverables failed the external tests once
trinque: re: db, I'm reserving a lul now for when asciilifeform discovers that postgresql does, in fact, tell you what an operation will cost before you run it.
trinque: mircea_popescu had it, industrial machinery, organizes gigantic sets, does a few things to make sure the wad isn't lost.
trinque: goodnight, many heads of the tit hydra