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raw_avocado: whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-23#1048350 << it seems that this function was used since SegWit, not necesary a Taproot thing
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-23 12:03:50 whaack: raw_avocado: interesting to note that there is a thin layer of protection already for taproot, namely that 'AreInputsStandard' function.
raw_avocado: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-24#1048537 << AFAIK with Taproot also there is no hashing of the pubkey
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-24 16:12:51 punkman: revealed pubkey was also reason for the "only use addresses once" meme, that and nonce attacks when you sign more than 1 tx
raw_avocado: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-26#1048655 << they got a new CEO and stopped being silly and said they will "behave"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-26 13:27:44 punkman: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/mara-pool-and-bitcoin-mining-censorship " this presumably means that this pool will not include transactions in its blocks if these transactions send coins to or from Bitcoin addresses that have been included on an OFAC blacklist." << lol!
raw_avocado: Also they now have a mining council
raw_avocado: Also for the lulz, when the 1st block was minned, people started sending dust to their addr
raw_avocado: Here they wrote a message in persian "Thanks for supporting our cause"
raw_avocado: And then a bunch of CoinJoined TXs and some even with link to DNMs
raw_avocado: But now the real question is did they actually censor any TXs and can we measure this?
raw_avocado: Yes we can, we compare how much diffrent the mined block is to what getblocktemplate() gives us
raw_avocado: And the 0xb10 bloke made a website for this
raw_avocado: So they did not actually censor anything.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049099 << neat, might have been useful back in 2016
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 01:07:33 raw_avocado: And the 0xb10 bloke made a website for this
punkman: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57992807 << in usglols: "due to a confidentiality agreement with the buyer, prosecutors did not say who had since bought the album from the US government, or for how much."
punkman: and some more: "Dell has stopped shipping certain highly energy-intensive gaming computers to customers in six states with new electricity consumption regulations." "This product cannot be shipped to the states of California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont or Washington due to power consumption regulations"
punkman: coming next: incentives to retire/destroy "old" pc hardware to stop global warming
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-27#1049082 << "People who drown don't simply drown because the river was closer to their house than the cliff, but because the drowning specifically has some sort of subconscious meaning or importance." http://trilema.com/2015/the-mp-suicide-self-evaluation-scale/#selection-187.323-190.0
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-27 23:41:57 raw_avocado: adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-23#1048175 << can you link the article?
punkman: adlai: not relevant to accident though
punkman: https://bitcoinops.org/en/compatibility/ seems like most exchanges support outgoing segwit tx. notably binance and bitmex still not using segwit for receiving.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-27#1049068 << I tried using the "open sores" GPU stuff on an allwinner years ago. didn't work out, bricked the board at some point. went looking for ARM without megaton of blob, didn't find anything. thought "I'll come back in a few years"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-27 20:57:25 asciilifeform: punkman: there's afaik to this day no working blobless xorg for it.
punkman: I'll let you know if I find anything promising
raw_avocado: dpb: word goes around you are a FG dealer. How much does one go for?
dpb: raw_avocado, well it shouldn't be expensive to make your own, but i have the collectable first run, individually numbered units. 2 cents each is what i paid, and i think that's still a fair price
raw_avocado: I am not able to make my own, and i dont want to. You mean BTC0.002?
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: 'bitcent' traditionally == 0.01btc
PeterL: Are any of the bots using !s yet?
asciilifeform: PeterL: evidently not
PeterL: !s uptime
PeterL: !s help
shinohai: wb PeterL and scoopbot
PeterL: sorry for spam, not sure if this is running right yet
PeterL: aha, I think I see what I did wrong there
PeterL: !s uptime
scoopbot: PeterL: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m
PeterL: aha, it lives!
PeterL: anybody who wants me to add their blog to its list, let me know
thimbronion: PeterL: please add thimbron.com
PeterL: !s update
whaack: PeterL: ztkfg.com please
PeterL: whaack: got it
whaack: PeterL: thank you.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: in asciilifeform's (yet unpublished!) algo -- simple deduping.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: btw your proggy was mutilated by autoformatter near the middle, where '__parse_read_buffer'
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I noticed :( Perhaps I can escape somehow..
asciilifeform: thimbronion: if it's 'markdown', then ``` ...coad... ```
whaack: thimbronion: comment in your modque
whaack: heh, it's the same point as asciilifeform's
thimbronion: whaack asciilifeform: fixed the escaping issue.
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049137 << Deduping absolutely required, but I think PeterL's comment was about "fixing" IRC.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 12:37:49 asciilifeform: thimbronion: in asciilifeform's (yet unpublished!) algo -- simple deduping.
mats: raw_avocado: ill give you an fg for 200usd in btc
raw_avocado: mats: where do you ship from?
punkman: "Cardano (ADA) is slated to experience the introduction of smart contracts and the Goguen era within the next few months with the Alonzo Hardfork Combinator Event. But, there is something else up Cardano's sleeve. The mysterious NDA and the secretive travel mentioned by Charles must correspond to some potential partner or partners. So when
punkman: Charles says we are in for two months of "fun," it's unclear whether that is just a reference to Alonzo or to some other unseen partnership currently brewing."
punkman: the soap opera model of software development
punkman: (alt link of above https://archive.is/l1gHE )
asciilifeform: punkman: for shitcoinists, it seems, 2011 never ends
punkman: "lab worker named Émilie Jaumain died at age 33, 10 years after pricking her thumb during an experiment with prion-infected mice" https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/france-issues-moratorium-prion-research-after-fatal-brain-disease-strikes-two-lab
dulapbot: (trilema) 2013-11-13 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO
punkman: doubt we are getting Mad Cow 2 any time soon. flu works much better
PeterL: !s uptime
scoopbot: PeterL: time since my last reconnect : 0d 5h 18m
PeterL: !s update
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.024s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.033s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=693142 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.097s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.166s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.279s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.528s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.579s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=693142
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049111 << afaik literally ALL of the current arm products use the SAME turdgpu, 'mali'. because, elementarily, redditware.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 08:44:20 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-27#1049068 << I tried using the "open sores" GPU stuff on an allwinner years ago. didn't work out, bricked the board at some point. went looking for ARM without megaton of blob, didn't find anything. thought "I'll come back in a few years"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-27 18:04:13 punkman: "The vast majority of our customers care nothing about open source or closed binary blobs" << yeah I guess the customers just wanted them to pretend about being "open source", and they got exactly what they really wanted
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049144 << ftr the indeterminate-width fields of irc (and similar protocols) don't play well with udp. ( in asciilifeform's thing -- fixed-length fields. for absolutely everything, defined as it were hardware )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 12:49:53 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049137 << Deduping absolutely required, but I think PeterL's comment was about "fixing" IRC.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049107 << if you think mp wasn't aspiring to 'properly aristocratic' demise, think again. (and not so many of these to choose from -- filthy plebes 'ruined' e.g. dope OD)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 06:41:11 adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-27#1049082 << "People who drown don't simply drown because the river was closer to their house than the cliff, but because the drowning specifically has some sort of subconscious meaning or importance." http://trilema.com/2015/the-mp-suicide-self-evaluation-scale/#selection-187.323-190.0
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049105 << meanwhile chimneys of google (california), microshit (washington), etc. datacenters, continue to belch
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 06:01:10 punkman: and some more: "Dell has stopped shipping certain highly energy-intensive gaming computers to customers in six states with new electricity consumption regulations." "This product cannot be shipped to the states of California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont or Washington due to power consumption regulations"
asciilifeform: looked at the fishwraps, apparently this concerned two particular 'alienware' 'gaming' boxes. (who the fuck still buys prebuilt desktops?! and why?!)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-28#1049155 << phunphakt, 'gain of function'(tm)(r)(c) work has gone on re: prions for quite some time. (and obv. for same ultimate reason.)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 15:23:11 punkman: "lab worker named Émilie Jaumain died at age 33, 10 years after pricking her thumb during an experiment with prion-infected mice" https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/france-issues-moratorium-prion-research-after-fatal-brain-disease-strikes-two-lab
asciilifeform: a++ weapon, theoretically, if could be manufactured mechanically. no detector likely to exist, cannot be destroyed short of combustion, persists in soil for years, not broken down by water, sunlight, etc., no antidote and none even hypothesized to exist.
asciilifeform: and fatal dose, theoretically: 1. (not gram, microgram, etc. but simply 1.)
asciilifeform: of course is weapon that cannot be aimed, but not erryone is put off by this.
raw_avocado: asciilifeform: what are good household sources of entropy? like coin tosses and stuff or lava lamps?
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: depends what means 'good' neh.
raw_avocado: Well lets say i want to generate some Bitcoin private keys
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: if you have nothing but a coin and time -- von neumann's debiasing algo worx just as well with paper and pen as with machines
raw_avocado: Or maybe even a BIP39seed.
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: if you aint in much of a hurry -- the above.
raw_avocado: Well my question is what can i use a source, instead of a coin.
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: there is not an 'official' correct answer to this. lotsa physical effects to choose from, and usable for so long as you understand the tradeoffs.
asciilifeform: i for instance picked johnson noise for FG.
whaack: !s uptime
scoopbot: whaack: time since my last reconnect : 0d 5h 1m
asciilifeform: the reasons for this are amply discussed in the log.
whaack: PeterL: Not sure scoopbot is scoopin'
asciilifeform: oh nifty whaack
whaack: raw_avocado: is this an open ended brainstorm type question or a real concern of yours? you could stop a stopwatch if it has miliseconds and record the last few digits a hundred times or so.
asciilifeform: whaack: imho it's a little like asking 'what household object makes the best hammer?' -- buy a fucking hammer.
whaack: lmfao
raw_avocado: whaack: its a brainstorm open ended question
asciilifeform: random bit generation aint hand-to-hand combat, where you use whatever's avail, broken bottles, shoes, etc
raw_avocado: asciilifeform: gotcha
asciilifeform: typically the asker is in a position where he has plenty of time to think & obtain tooling.
asciilifeform: often enuff such thread goes for long enuff that asker could've built FG 2-3 times..
raw_avocado: But ran into this bloke on twitter today https://github.com/jimbojw/seed-picker-solitaire. uses a deck of cards to generata a bip39 seed, i think its kinda convoluted
raw_avocado: And then i was like what are other thinks like a deck of cards, that could do well.
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: nonbinary outputs are a bitch to debias by hand
asciilifeform: if you find yourself in this position, use coin.
raw_avocado: asciilifeform: i looked over the FG website, but i dont understand what those compenents are and how to solder them together. is there a shopping list available?
raw_avocado: nonbinary outputs are a bitch to debias by hand << just mod 2?
raw_avocado: re use coin << i dont want to find the best practival way, i want other ways that works just as good.
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: start w/ the analogue board.
raw_avocado: asciilifeform: link broke ^^
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: loads fine here.
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: this is nth time -- what are you using for a browser?
raw_avocado: http://btcbase.org/data/fg/trng_tw.png][analogue] << this is not the right one
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: you must have a buggy 'greasemonkey' script or sumthing similar installed on your end. you are the only one who is getting this effect, to date no one reported.
raw_avocado: LimeChat its prolly interpreting the link wrong.
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: read via log www.
raw_avocado: Anyway i saw this, i dot know whose symbols mean, and there is no legend
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: horowitz & hill (or your preferred schoolbook from own country)
raw_avocado: whaack: the milisecods one, yeah exactly stuff like that.
asciilifeform: there is 'no royal road'.
mats: raw_avocado: california
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: i aint trolling. rng is a safety-critical component if you're a rsa or bitcoin user. if you had to jump with a parachute tomorrow, would you ask randos on a forum how to sew one ?
asciilifeform: 'but i dunno how to sew'
asciilifeform: 1st you learn. on something other than parachutes.
raw_avocado: mats: im waiting on a guitar and some other stuff from the US, been months still not here(in the UK currently)
mats: sucks
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: maybe write to diana coman, see if will sell you a FG
asciilifeform: i don't expect she needs hers anymoar
raw_avocado: asciilifeform: yes, you are right, and i am not trying to find a macgyver substitute.
raw_avocado: Ok, ill ping her
asciilifeform: iirc there was another fg user in uk, but the name escapes me, and he got it 2ndhand
asciilifeform: possibly cruciform
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere cruciform
dulapbot: cruciform last seen in #ossasepia on 2020-09-21 17:10:25: also, would you kindly recommend an OS to attempt the installation on? I've had a look around republican blogs, and am having trouble finding a known-working one
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