billymg: i was also imagining in that scenario that they'd have a more open btc enconomy
billymg: and russia's agreement was simply, 5btc, then yer free
billymg: asciilifeform: i meant supposing you had a stack of btc to survive on for a few lifetimes
billymg: agreeing*
billymg: and even in multi-polar world could see the poles aggreeing on this
billymg: but unclear, trend seems to be to make all use of btc outside of reich licensed/authorized venues illegal
billymg: what i'm hoping is that the "multi-polar world" *will* benefit individuals (with btc) because countries will offer protection in exchange for some
billymg: thimbronion: you're there now, right?
billymg: ah, got it
billymg: asciilifeform: if russia offered that, would you take it?
billymg wonders if an actual sovereign like russia or china will ever do a "passport4life for 5 btc" kind of scheme like el salvador (which does it for 3)
billymg: or at least that's my hope
billymg: yeah, which beats a purely reich ruled world imo
billymg: asciilifeform: true, but it seems china/india/brazil are on russia's side as well in this. or perhaps just *not* on america's side
billymg: btw wb phf, encouraging to see people i read in the logs long ago return
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-30#1090423 << i'm not completely in the camp of "muh based russia" but there's a certain amount of "the enemy of my enemy..." in how i view the situation
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-31#1090693 << saw this the other day via orlov's blog (which has been entertaining lately)
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-28#1089990 << newer chips (not sure how new) have "thermal throttling" where slow down the chip if temps get too high or fan too loud per some formula
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah that's why i mentioned as good example of collaboration sin fuhrer
billymg: or like a tree recursive algo, each of has had to go and discover our own answers first before being able to come back with something useful
billymg: i have a feeling there will be a natural pull back to joint efforts. at the moment is like video of vase dropping to floor and flying into a thousand pieces, soon tape will stop and be played in reverse with all the pieces reassembling back into one. i think we're almost at that point
billymg: imo the one nice thing about having a fuhrer (back in the mp era) was someone to say "we're doing x and using y to do so, get to work" vs. 100 splintered efforts. however, great collaboration on e.g. pest without fuhrer
billymg: actually, i take that back, the class "hentry" is defined in wp-includes/post-template.php, so that would be a theme-agnostic way of finding the post content
billymg: post content might vary slightly across themes if you're relying on ids or classnames to find the content
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-27#1089484 << for comments, yes, standard across themes as it calls wp_list_comments() inside wp-includes/comment-template.php to generate the html
billymg: crtdaydreams: you won't have much luck with php7 out of the box but you could in theory patch it and create a fork that's php7 compatible. easier imo to build php5.6 from source or find an old .deb build file for it (that's what i do for gentoo, never used debian's package manager)
billymg: ^ popular theory on 4chan too
billymg: before i go though, i don't want what i wrote to be misinterpreted as advocating for spreading misinformation. i genuinely believe not taking the vax if you're young and healthy is the right choice, so when i make this argument, i am making it in good faith, with the interests of those i'm talking to in mind
billymg must also bbl
billymg: mats: enjoy
billymg: ok... so how is that my problem? if they're dumb enough to believe what i write on the internet then they deserve to be filtered, as per your view, no?
billymg: right, so i don't. i say the vaccine has non-zero risk (hard to prove otherwise) and i say for me it's not worth it
billymg: "information warfare is only ok when we do it"
billymg: this is old as time too, you have to believe in your king to be willing to obey orders / fight and die for him. if you don't, you explore other options
billymg: yes, which is fine if those doing the telling have the interest of the people in mind
billymg: who needs a bunch of poor rednecks anyway, right?
billymg: so back to policy, let people make their own choices, if they die they die
billymg: for you, maybe not, and i can respect that. it's your decision
billymg: mats: in this case, to me, personally, any risk > 0 is too much
billymg: but so far still waiting to die...
billymg: and if i'm not, then i don't deserve to pass on my genes
billymg: i just know i'm healthy enough that i'll take my chances with the virus
billymg: swallow what thing?
billymg: is it because in the second case mats believes he needs protecting? if so that's sort of hypocritical, no?
billymg: i just don't understand the inconsistency. "they ain't smart enough, let 'em starve" "they aren't healthy enough, we must protect them!!"
billymg: mats: i still don't understand why you care so much about people dying when: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-24#1087671
billymg: mats: nah, i think it just comes down to the fact that our current rulers can't be trusted
billymg: you do realize that if you allow the loophole: "in an emergency" then there will simply always be an emergency
billymg: "active pandemic!" says who?
billymg: asciilifeform: right, but even when i was in an office it was perfectly acceptable to "got some errands today, will be in and out!" on the wfh days (we already had one wfh day per week at that time)
billymg: i.e. if you're a tech worker you can now work 10 hours a week as a "full time" salaried employee
billymg: "You work 40-plus hours or you work zero." << i genuinely wonder if the post-covid wfh scheme is a new tacit agreement reached between labor and capital for the information age
billymg: and i can relate completely, and even though i was conscious of it at the time, told myself "it's ok, because you're making money now"
billymg: right, yup, makes sense
billymg: mangol: yeah, i see that now after actually reading the article. jumped the gun and first thought of the money printing problem
billymg: the problem of too much money on a micro scale
billymg: that's what does it
billymg: mangol: love how it starts with "Well I’m in the working world again."
billymg: though also rebuilding audio collection at the moment
billymg: abandoned the former long ago in favor of my own collection but still use spotify now and then
billymg: yeah, i got lazy during my saltmining years and switched to netflix/spotify
billymg looks forward to perusing signpost's collection once available on pestnet
billymg: signpost: yeah, high time everyone returned to managing their own collection instead of relying solely on streaming services
billymg: ah ok
billymg: when i looked up this process it included "find an adapter"
billymg: signpost: what kind of ssd did it take?
billymg: nice
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-25#1088462 << heh, was just a few weeks ago thinking of doing the same with my old one (last i checked it still works, with the original mechanical drive)
billymg: "adults in the room still in control"
billymg: for people who missed out on bitcoin that type of thought is extremely comforting
billymg: signpost: exactly
billymg: etc.
billymg: "women have vaginas" "terrorist!"
billymg: "it's spelled Kiev, always has been" "flat earther!"
billymg: asciilifeform: that dichotomy works so well too. was having a discussion with someone here a few months back about the "fbi cracked the bitcoin keyz!" and explained that no, they didn't, and the media just lied about it. and his response was, "i bet you're one of those earth-is-actually-flat guys too"
billymg: not really sure what to make of it, but i'll be adding this feature to the bot interface soon anyway
billymg: peer list*
billymg: i tried fiddling with the peershots knob (number of times it calls getaddr, since node list is incomplete in a single call) but the current "5" setting seems sufficient
billymg: nothing appears to be wrong with the crawler either, its logs continue to print out "found new peer!" almost hourly (which it finds when it pings and gets a response from a previously unknown peer returned to it by the getaddrs call to an existing node)
billymg: ah, this reminded me. whaack, i queried the crawler's data to answer your question: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=t1N8
billymg: needs moar zeros
billymg liked the campiness, it felt intentional
billymg: signpost: saw that, kek
billymg: imo this is something we could work on
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-24#1087693 << "The trouble was that none of the 9 were properly documented and none were bug free. Basically each person had implemented his own solution and it worked for him so that was fine. This is a BBM attitude; it works for me and I understand it. It is also the product of not needing or wanting anybody else's help to do something."
billymg: the way you say, fuck the mentally weak, let them starve, i would say fuck the immunologically weak, let them die
billymg: mats: why not apply this sink or swim philosophy to how well one is able to handle the coof, instead of the excellence of lockdowns?
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-24#1087741 << shame, it means you didn't make it to this gem: "Freedom is the creed of heroes such as Zelenskiy; anti-liberalism is the creed of monsters who drop bombs on children."
billymg: the first is in scheme (rather than lisp), but my understanding so far of the languages is that they're similar enough you can start with either to learn the fundamentals. the other book gives examples in Pascal, but i complete the exercises in scheme
billymg: PeterL: i am currently reading and working through the exercises in SICP and Thinking Recursively, i'd highly recommend both
billymg: not the www portion, just the actual crawler part
billymg: yeah, don't think i'll need anything fancy. i've started reading SICP and i think when i get far enough along in that i want to re-write my crawler in lisp
billymg: neato
billymg: asciilifeform (or anyone): have you tried using this for hooking up postgres to SBCL? https://github.com/marijnh/Postmodern
billymg: the replies are lulzy: "great idea!"
billymg: https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1506087506298621954 << not sure if this is satire or not but appears to be earnest
billymg: signpost: ah, hrm. ok i'll look into that
billymg: hiya mangol, been enjoying reading your discussions with the others here
billymg: ty for the explanation
billymg: sweet, re-running my test script with autocommit to confirm
billymg: yeah, possibly autocommit was not the default for me, given the behavior i was seeing with 'now()'
billymg: ah ok
billymg: but that adds overhead, or no?
billymg: so that each time the query is run, it's in a new transaction
billymg: so i think you're saying i should be using 'autocommit'
billymg: i.e. when '!c net-summary' is run the results should be for that moment in time, having nothing to do with the last time it was run
billymg: in this usecase it seems to me like i don't (shouldn't) need to manually manage transactions. i want a simple COUNT(*) of a table where entries meet a certain criteria
billymg: signpost: "explicit" meaning "discrete" or "manually opened/closed"?
billymg: also when i looked up the docs for 'commit' and 'rollback' it looked like those were for write operations (and i'm only doing a select)
billymg: i figured doing a cursor.close() in between queries would be enough, but maybe not
billymg: signpost: you could be right about the open transaction thing, i'm looking at this now: https://www.psycopg.org/docs/faq.html#problems-with-transactions-handling
billymg: signpost: are they in the same transaction though?
billymg: anyway, fixed by working around what i suspect is a bug, or at least a malimplementation, in psycopg2
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg: that's the only conclusion i can draw from this test. because that query by itself in psql works fine every time
billymg: i suspect that in psycopg2, or somewhere else, the 'now()' was getting cached
billymg: i was looking for nodes where difference between now and 'last_alive' was less than 48hrs (172800 seconds)
billymg: the commented out version is what i was doing previously, using postgres's 'now()'
billymg: but note the commented out version of the query vs the active one
billymg: that's my test script, i tried to mimic the relavent bits of the bot code as much as possible, that's why there's more there than needs to be
billymg: asciilifeform: nope, i suspect something weird under the hood in psycopg2: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Lp4b
billymg: i set up a test script to run the query every 60 seconds, and it indeed would slowly drift higher from the true count
billymg: i figured out the problem with the global count, and it pissed me off when i found out why the count was slowly increasing
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg: still a problem, should be 8133
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg still needs to do something with lisp
billymg: shinohai: aha, in asciilifeform's bot the check for command prefix is later (since it's a log bot and needs to eat all lines regardless)
billymg: ah, yeah, i see PeterL also had to figure it out again for his. had you simply read my blog post from jan you'd have had the answer
billymg: i saw something about a regex
billymg: shinohai: what ended up being the issue in yours?
billymg: shinohai: lol yes, and not what i sat down to work on at this moment
billymg: however, when i diff'd them none of the changes looked like they would have an effect on that query
billymg: well, the bot wasn't running on my latest version, the one i published in the patch. it was running on a wip version
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg: !c uptime
billymg: !c uptime
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg: the global total is wrong and i can't figure out why, everything in the query and how it's being run looks correct. i created a test script just to run it through psycopg2 and that gets the correct total, which is 8146 currently, same as when i run the query via psql
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg: crtdaydreams: looking forward to reading about it
billymg bbl
billymg: the one he's been working on lately
billymg: signpost's OS
billymg: verisimilitude: i haven't tried any of those yet, at this point i'll likely stick with gentoo (dulap for mission critical) until pentacle is available
billymg: crtdaydreams: homework for you if you're interested. scrap your current build attempt and start fresh using that guide. leave comments on the article if you get stuck or find errors
billymg: the intended audience was more folks like crtdaydreams. it's been in my drafts for a few weeks now but when i saw he was working on a build i decided to bang out the last 20% and publish
billymg: verisimilitude: really? i'm surprised. which OS do you use currently?
billymg: whaack: if you do that try adding an -addnode for all the known republican nodes, or at least a good number of them, in case some are busy or whatever
billymg: whaack: possibly this: http://logs.bitdash.io/trilema/2018-12-24#1882932
billymg: in any case the other trb nodes should be listing your node
billymg: yeah, not 100% sure. i could write a query to check
billymg: i believe they do
billymg: not sure why
billymg: yep
billymg: whaack: in the case of those two you spot checked just now, the second indeed hasn't returned peers in a while (possibly ever, the crawler doesn't track this)
billymg: whaack: asciilifeform's watchglass intentionally does not include the relay byte in order to be compatible with trb. my crawler tries both with/without that byte in order to coax peers out of the node being probed
billymg: and i don't know enough to say whether it means "don't see" or "sees, but doesn't return in peers list"
billymg: whaack: heathen nodes as well
billymg: which is currently the only way for the crawler to discover new nodes, until this feature is added
billymg: whaack: for some reason no other node scanned by the crawler has returned your new node as one of its peers
billymg: !c net-summary
billymg: shinohai: i will enjoy the seething when the unprecedented inevitably happens
billymg: just logged into github, was very relieved to see a notification stating that they "stand with ukraine and the international community"
billymg: that'd be useful
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-10#1083743 << crtdaydreams: make and sell small arms / drones
billymg: i'm sure it'll turn up eventually
billymg: yeah dunno, your node is obviously connected to (and returning) plenty of peers. just that none of those peers has included your node in its list yet (at least not in what it returns to the crawler's getaddr requests)
billymg: ah, ok then
billymg: !w probe 54.39.156.17
billymg: !w peers 54.39.156.17
billymg: !w peers 205.134.172.28
billymg: whaack: when you start trb do you start it with a series of '-addnode' flags to add known trb nodes, or just let it discover on its own?
billymg: i'm a bit curious why the crawler hasn't picked up your new node by now. all of those peers returned by watchglass are heathen nodes btw, i just looked them up in the db
billymg: !w peers 103.6.212.28
billymg also occasionally reads mainstream, to look for clues of what they're planning by the way they word things
billymg: mats: i like your reporting, i appreciate that someone is willing to wade through that for the occasional insight and then share it here
billymg: even if i roll my eyes at some things
billymg: i typically listen to what mats has to say
billymg: signpost: heh, no, i didn't mean "interesting" as in "odd", but more as genuinely interesting
billymg: i find mats interesting because on one hand he'll share links to vice/newsweek/msnbc etc. with a straight face, but on the other hand he makes convincing points about how czbinance's jurisdictional arbitrage maneuverings will eventually defeat the reich
billymg: fair enough. yeah, i also don't think it'll put 5g magnets in your head or make you sterile or whatever
billymg: asciilifeform: possible some random % of doses were saline. i remember you saying a few times your dose had "no bite"
billymg: ok, asciilifeform, signpost: i recall both of you took the vax last year. now it's sounding as though you're more skeptical. did anything change? would you take it again if you were transported back to early 2021?
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-08#1083477 << great movie
billymg: crtdaydreams: ty, will look later
billymg: a similar concept was discussed in "dissident right twitter" a few years ago. how media narratives shift seamlessly over time from "that could never happen" to "that's not happening, but it should" to "it is happening, and here's why that's a good thing"
billymg: signpost: i liked that article btw
billymg: verisimilitude: lol, complete with obligatory "i suck at maths lol!" that they learned from reddit or somewhere is a badge of honor and not a failure
billymg: meat, dairy, sunlight, and exercise. that's all the vaccine you need
billymg is still waiting to die, as mats prophesized
billymg: anecdotally, i know several people who were vaxxed and then contracted covid, whereas i, never vaxxed / never tested, have yet to succumb to even a sniffle
billymg: this reminds me, asciilifeform, should i interpret this as you concluding the 'vaccine' may have been intended to do more harm than good?
billymg: whaack: could technically require the submitter to complete a challenge, like deedbot, when using add-context. but why add the complexity if non-pest irc is a dead end anyway
billymg: ^ referring to whaack's proposed irc interface
billymg: neat, i like it
billymg: yeah, NFTs are a complete joke
billymg: but then if url changes... oh well
billymg: i guess the manifest spec could be updated to include an optional url field
billymg: lol
billymg: aha, i.e. valid patch/sig but garbage in the url field
billymg: it's still sad seeing domains that i thought would stick around forever, like cascadianhacker, esthlos, and bvt, disappear
billymg: whaack: linkrot will always be an issue. if author changes his link, could he resubmit the same patch/sig but fill in a different url?
billymg: whaack: i meant something at the individual patch <-> article level as well
billymg: asciilifeform: ty, i do have another one. will gpg shortly
billymg: asciilifeform: just remembered, did you ever end up sending out that RK? i don't think i received it at the address i gave
billymg: and then in the interface this could be accessible somehow when viewing the list of patches
billymg: or the author, when using the hopper to submit a signed patch, could be given a url field, to include a link to the specific article describing the patch, if there is one
billymg: perhaps your patch viewer could have a page that lists in-wot blogs, so that if one wants to reference the author's writings, they can
billymg: whaack: imo it's the end user's responsibility to know what they're running. and jumping from blog to blog collecting patches doesn't guarantee they'll read a single word written about the patches anyway, it's just added friction
billymg stopping short of minecraft poasting
billymg: asciilifeform: sounds like the problem is the lizards
billymg: PeterL: if they develop more useful humans, some of those humans might be inclined (and able) to organize. wouldn't be good for the lizards
billymg: PeterL: assuming the rulers want to mine the asteroids, and not just continue fucking peasant children
billymg: needs 200M or is not yet politically tenable to 'remove'?
billymg: what am i missing?
billymg: they need 300M to keep the yachts running?
billymg: it's hard for me to imagine a US that has 30 million instead of 300 million people and the bottom 99% don't end up with a better life than they had before. even if the top % takes the lion's share of the spoils
billymg: if you're a govt. clerk or burger flipper then you can't really negotiate much, and you'll be wiped out
billymg: but even with the current trend it seems like the more useful slaves are keeping up with inflation. if you're a doctor, dentist, plumber, electrician, coder monkey you can fairly easily charge market rates
billymg: and the masters even more so
billymg: asciilifeform: if they decimate the population those slaves may end up with a better share than they had prior
billymg: or is it more of a labor consideration? i.e. they don't want skilled labor to have a place where they can go and exchange their labor for 1st world life
billymg: of course this'd be true too, provided they could take all their assets at the border on their way out
billymg: if they're only trying to wipe out those expecting a 1st world life then what do they care if there is where to defect to? they should be happy to be rid of them
billymg: drone
billymg: asciilifeform: that's a fair point, if people start replacing the ecu they'll start fritzing all the individual parts
billymg: and fuel injection, etc.
billymg: i believe that's what this project already does (for very limited set of autos)
billymg: buy from toyota, brand new, replace chip
billymg: just replace the chip
billymg: doesn't need all of this
billymg: and run on standard arm chip
billymg: asciilifeform: and they can't have their own made, like FG?
billymg: asciilifeform: which irons would be out of print?
billymg: also, as more people start to realize this is a problem, the used / non-fritzed market will eventually dry up. only option will be to buy new and replace the chip
billymg: i like the concept though, the idea of defritzing the enemy's wares. i imagine it'd make them upset too "hey! that wasn't included in the purchase price!"
billymg: interesting, perhaps only started phasing it in then
billymg: i thought even '00 cars were "drive by wire"
billymg: botnet on wheels
billymg: asciilifeform: could be just that they couldn't figure out a way to reflash the factory boards, so decided chuck the whole thing out
billymg: hardware section of their forum