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(pest) asciilifeform: aand speaking of $genre -- apropos lolcat.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( babelfish for engl. folx, for ref)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the fundamental proble, mangol , is the ~iron~. e.g. valiant attempts at 'from 0 os' from 2010s no longer function on anyffin you can currently purchase. (or even good % of vintage irons from period) on acct of 'peripheral babel'
(ossasepia) asciilifeform: this is consequence of 'tower of babel' of pc irons.
(trilema) asciilifeform: apropos : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934034 << this gripe is factual -- cl standard was written by 'tower of babel' and specifically excluded unix knobs. so all ~usable pc lisps in fact have nonstandard knobs for threads, sockets, etc. iirc this was detailed in prev. threads.
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'iron babel' is imho good chunk of why linux is ball o'shit.
(trilema) asciilifeform: trinque: re the 'iron babel', asciilifeform strongly suspects that a standardized 'textbook' arch, even with 'artificial' (soft) rather than troo iron available, would be of much use re cuntooism
(trilema) asciilifeform: ... for that matter, pretty much the entire 'iron babel' of nic, gpu, raid, etc
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( incidentally, when asciilifeform speaks of 'iron babel', interrupts are a screamingly concrete example : there is ~no uniformity b/w archs re how they're implemented (does it save regs ? which ? what happens if two interrupts temporally near ? ) or how many , or for what devices, etc )
(trilema) asciilifeform: rather than continuing in a babelized gnat with 'pick yer threader, pick yer stdlib' etc
(trilema) asciilifeform: it's an elementary babel.
(trilema) asciilifeform: originally cuz iron & os babel.
(trilema) asciilifeform: for so long as we're under 'iron babel' and errybody has 9000 types of unique machine, we're stuck with this horror
(trilema) asciilifeform: incidentally this is a feature that used to be standard on 'adult' comps, but was lost in the pc babel of 1980s
(trilema) asciilifeform: right nao errybody got a diff set of knobs, tower of babel.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'iron babel' of x86 means that there is not and never has been such a thing as 'general purpose kernel'. there exist of course the fraudulent imitations, of shituntu etc. where they roll in 500MB of ??? 'all possible modules' , but it is beneath contempt
(trilema) asciilifeform: 1 well-understood system 'to rule'em all', fits in head and demonstrably bug-free , and babel -- ends.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the extant babel does not contribute to nonspecificity-of-diddling. if anything, quite the opposite.
(trilema) asciilifeform: likely if no effort at all is made to debabelize.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and whatever is in my hands that can contribute to the extermination of the pointless babel, i'ma push.
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: oh neato, can you buy kbdbabel ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: technological 'tower of babel' is built of many materials. has granite core, yes
(trilema) asciilifeform: the most, afaik, egregious babel on planet3.
(trilema) asciilifeform: common lisp committee was hobbled by babelism, had to stuff in the redundant idiocies, and never got to, say, actually developing streams properly (why the fuck are we stuck with hacks like gray streams? and where is the commonlisp with ~working~ mop ? etc)
(trilema) asciilifeform: outright, indefensible babelade like nth and elt.
(trilema) asciilifeform: now also, the effect of 'babelization' is instructively pertinent.
(trilema) asciilifeform: cpp is unusable on its own, ergo the babel.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and, more generally speaking, AGGRESSIVE debabelization - BURN the 10,001 video boards, we need ONE; BURN the 10,001 allocators - we need ONE, in silicon; etc
(trilema) asciilifeform: complete with driver babel.
(trilema) asciilifeform: you get two options, standardizing the iron, or abstracting over the babelade
(trilema) asciilifeform: the interesting bit re dos is that it was felled precisely by the same hardware tower of babel which gave us a multi-MB linux turdkernel
(trilema) asciilifeform: but recall that prior to structural steel, a 6-story bldg that isn't a pyramid is a 'tower of babel'
(trilema) asciilifeform: babel is mega-lulzy and exists today in, afaik, every language, mega-recommended to all
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so babelocalypse?
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(trilema) ascii_field: it was actually an answer to the tower of babel which prevailed then.
(trilema) asciilifeform: this is a result of the tower of babel situation re: pc hardware, rather than anything else.
(trilema) asciilifeform: answer: the kind that -removes- chairs from the babel pile.
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'figuring out rocket engines is hard work. let's pile more bricks on this here tower of babel. so what if it's already prolapsed in ten thousand places. more bricks, more chairs, old cars, corpses of slaves. big enough river of meat - we shall go to victory. come join my river of meat.' -- summary of this and 100+ similarly idiotic answers to my articles.
(trilema) asciilifeform: yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation
(trilema) asciilifeform: the only elevator scheme described to date, afaik, that stands a chance of working, is... 'tower of babel.'