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mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward << lol gotta work
mircea_popescu: dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd << emperors my foot. pretty much all the president can do is mispronounce for the camera and be made a laughingstock of.
mircea_popescu: i think the last guy that tried to do anything substantial was reagan. maybe nixon.
mircea_popescu: ahh all caught up. it's a nioce feeling
mircea_popescu: !up nara__narayana
nara__narayana: well hello
assbot: Why does the CDC own a patent on Ebola 'invention?' -
nara__narayana: you guys seen this yet?
mircea_popescu: nope
nara__narayana: kewl
asciilifeform: << no eng. subs for the inglischers unfortunately. but still educational.
assbot: . . - YouTube
asciilifeform: (storm of donetsk airport)
nara__narayana: key flux point
nara__narayana: just learned today that assad and ISIL/ISIS/TNEX are pretty closely tied
nara__narayana: so that's pretty chill
mircea_popescu: doh
mircea_popescu: proxy wars to the death, over there.
nara__narayana: mhm
PeterL: asciilifeform: which side are the soldiers in the video?
asciilifeform: interesting that everyone pictured is firing semi-auto
asciilifeform: PeterL: ru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "allegedly" :p
PeterL: Isn't it generally accepted that semi-auto is more effective?
mircea_popescu: ]This video may be inappropriate for some users.
asciilifeform: a number are wearing soviet-era regalia/medals (grandfather's ?)
mircea_popescu: meh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik the stuff is traded widely among active duty men.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like in a sports team. lucky charms and all that
asciilifeform: traded widely among - everybody
asciilifeform played with big tub of these as a boy
mircea_popescu: i never really care, except i bought the yugo equivalent of the purple heart from a lame guy once and wore it to a politico party to make ap oint
mircea_popescu: cared*
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: point was made ?
mircea_popescu: "see this ? guess which limb i'm missing, mr x?" "uhh" "the shame. just like you."
nara__narayana: yes
mircea_popescu: nara__narayana so who're you anyway ?
nara__narayana: myself
nara__narayana: just roaming around america atm
decimation: asciilifeform: I got that u-blox neo-7n module running, now to use pps signal to discipline that ocxo card
nara__narayana: crypto+mobile tech has allowed be to do this thank god
asciilifeform: ocxo?
decimation: the pci card off of ebay I linked awhile back. $3k golden toliet price, I paid 100
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: !up nara__narayana
nara__narayana: who's seeing the blood moon?
asciilifeform: 16:40 mark - fellow explains why ropes on stiff's feet (own side) - tied, to pull him a bit from a distance, see if 'surprise underneath'
asciilifeform: (ancient favourite trick, if anyone didn't know it)
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: i kept wondering, for months, when 'hot' machines from Pripyat will turn up
asciilifeform: word is - this has happened.
asciilifeform: ('graveyard' was full of perfectly good mothballed tech)
nara__narayana: what will be gotten from said tech?
asciilifeform: perfectly good machines - tanks, trucks, etc
asciilifeform: just a little bit of reactor crud in them.
asciilifeform: circa '86.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're not that hot anymore anyway
mircea_popescu: been what, 20 years.
asciilifeform: inside.
mircea_popescu: 30 even
nara__narayana: antifragile radiation bruh
nara__narayana: who doesn't need their daily dose of radioactive decay?
decimation: eh, it's pretty easy to clean up fallout
decimation: just wash it down well, you're good
decimation: people get their panties in a bind about radiation, it's everywhere in varying amount
mircea_popescu: decimation 30 years' rains, bout done by now.
mircea_popescu: !up deadalus
asciilifeform: doesn't rain inside the box
decimation: yeah, depends where it was and how much plutonium stuck to it
decimation: apparently plutonium is extremely sticky from what I've heard
decimation: !up mpmcsweeney
mpmcsweeney tips his hat
mircea_popescu: how goes.
mircea_popescu: decimation iodine was most of the fallout
mircea_popescu: actual plutonium is quite rarely a contaminant
nara__narayana: lol apparentyl im not kidding
assbot: Something Surprising Happened to the Animals Around Chernobyl 28 Years After the Disaster - Mic
decimation: yeah that's not so good, take your iodine pills to keep it out of your endocrine system
decimation: pretty much everything lower than Pu in the atomic table is present to some degree inside a fission reactor
mircea_popescu: well if the reaction runs away... pretty much everything forms.
decimation: the main problem is the stuff that decays slowly, but on the upside it decays slowly - less intense radiation
mircea_popescu: there's probably stuff all the way to 230 in there.
mircea_popescu: course it doesnt live long
decimation: that was the point of the 'cold war shelter' - live in a box until the really hot stuff rots away and then come out in relative safety
asciilifeform: washes away.
decimation: heh yeah that too
mircea_popescu: yeah, more wash than decay really.
asciilifeform: not 'too' - mostly.
decimation: I would believe that. The main problem is gonna be stuff that gets taken up in plants over the long term
asciilifeform: the ~30yr. half lives of sr-90 and cs-137 are just that
asciilifeform: half-lives.
asciilifeform: not one-$maxint-th lives.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for living things the problem is mostly their own metabolism. radioactive iodine is not distinguished from plain iodine ends up in endocrine system. strontium is, as far as the body is concerned, perfectly good calcium. so on.
decimation: indeed.
decimation: but that isn't gonna end humanity, just raise the probability of certain cancers
asciilifeform: more interesting than the birds and wolves - are the very old women (mostly women) who still live there.
nara__narayana: marrow?
asciilifeform: there's something like a few dozen left.
decimation: I saw a show about it once, I think there is still a stubborn russian orthodox church open there too
asciilifeform did not go and count, relies on rumour
PeterL: their breeding the X-men in there!
PeterL: they're
mircea_popescu: wasn't there some nutty motorcycle chick that kept sneaking in for a while ?
asciilifeform: afaik proven cribbed.
nara__narayana: \\ lolll omg
assbot: The Babushkas of Chernobyl | A story of three unlikely heroines from the most toxic place on Earth
asciilifeform: (from other folks)
decimation: lol 'most toxic place on earth'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074399 = 3.3108 BTC [+]
decimation: I suspect that the nasty emissions that blot the sun from the sky in china do 'more harm', however you want to measure
asciilifeform: if you stay out of the buildings (not everyone can resist temptation to teleport into a nearly intact soviet childhood) it's clean. cleaner than a good chunk of the 'civilized' world.
decimation: one wonders what ukraine would be like today if the nazis managed to survive in some fashion
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: they survived in a little nature preserve - there.
asciilifeform: go and say hello to them.
nara__narayana: oh they certainly did
decimation: hehe you mean the crazy 'ukrainian nationalists'?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: or rather, yes
asciilifeform: though they don't call themselves that
nara__narayana: what minds do you think the US harvested for their rocket progammes?
asciilifeform: (they are in the process of adopting english as an official language. so, go ask them what they're called.)
decimation: I guess what I mean by 'nazi' is 'europe as a world power' instead of 'europe as us disneyland'
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: afaik those are dead, like dodo.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been in any sense europe.
nara__narayana: lol
mircea_popescu: now, had the austro-hungarians actually defeated the nasty side of germans, then yes, europe as world power.
mircea_popescu: but ironically, i think by now it'd have looked exactly like us
decimation: that is an even more interesting thought.
nara__narayana: my grandfather still complains about the Hungarian population of peoples geographically stuck in Transylvania
asciilifeform: stuck?
decimation: yeah, I strongly doubt that the austro-hungarians would have resisted the 'democracy' derpage
asciilifeform: they're chained to walls, or what ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
decimation: they were sat upon stakes
mircea_popescu: the womenz married to romanians won't live, the boys fdesperately in love wiht the womenz...
nara__narayana: idk, hungary in particular has a unique culture
mircea_popescu: you know how it is.
mircea_popescu: nara__narayana quite particular. for 100 years straight the highest suicide rate in europe
mircea_popescu: back in 1980 the big news was that east germany became the 2nd highest (after hungary, everyone shook shoulders- of course after hungary)
asciilifeform: depends on what's a suicide and where europe is.
nara__narayana: geopolitical boundaries, asci
decimation: probably because it's depressing as fuck to know that your culture is on the permanent wane
mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't seem to affect the scots
asciilifeform: i.e. does death by no, fi, ru - rotgut - count as a suicide?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah actually, > russia.
mircea_popescu: hahaha no.
decimation: their culture died in 1745
nara__narayana: mircea_popescu funny you mention that, cousin committed suicide just recently
mircea_popescu: well maybe not that funny
decimation: !up nara__narayana
nara__narayana: genes are powerful i supose
decimation: when I was last in europe (london) I got the depressing feeling that the shells of the historic buildings were being occupied by squatters unworthy of their inheritance
mircea_popescu: you know i tend to think the exact same ?
mircea_popescu: started in egypt, this. spent a day in the museum surrounded by tall, lithe, elegant nosed people
asciilifeform: as if it were otherwise in old-time usa
mircea_popescu: go into the street, short bug-like big nosed arab orcs
mircea_popescu: wtf.
asciilifeform: (even when the colours match)
decimation: yeah I got the same feeling in boston
dub: who is curernt holder of teh title?
mircea_popescu: which
asciilifeform vaguely recalls turnbull having claimed that the Ik are in fact ancient egyptians. or was this in a bad dream ?
dub: most likely to succeed, at suicide
nara__narayana: the nose knows
asciilifeform: (genealogically)
decimation: it motivates me to visit Liechtenstein one day, it's probably the closest the world has to an actual historical form of functional government
decimation: although it's probably been ruined by derpy swiss
nara__narayana: care to elaborate why?
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: yea srsly, how you figued ?
asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.'
nara__narayana: swiss lol
nara__narayana: jk those bankers fucking got it made
decimation: nara__narayana: not really, who wants to bank in switzerland when they will divulge your banking to anyone who asks?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00074444 = 5.2483 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: this is mainly why I classify it as slightly different
assbot: BBC News - Liechtenstein referendum rejects curbs on royal powers
nara__narayana: i was under the impression that switzerland was a banking hub due to many circumstances, both political and geographical
nara__narayana: but whatev, what do i know?
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2014 02:47:05; mircea_popescu: but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop
nara__narayana: kk thanks
assbot: Switzerland to Take Back Its Gold? | Sprott Money Blog
mircea_popescu: i keep getting requests from derps to delete this or that bit from trilema as if this were somehow a matter of course
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people.
PeterL: they think you are hurting their feelings?
Duffer1: delete?
mircea_popescu: sooooo....
nara__narayana: i <3 censorship
assbot: Swiss National Bank Reaffirms Currency Floor, Maintains Rate - WSJ
mircea_popescu: forget censorship even, that's something for the powerful
mircea_popescu: these are just... random nobody. figures he can write to people who he doesn't know, and tell them what to do
mircea_popescu: fucking broken society, nobody has any idea of their place anymore
nara__narayana: bank doesn't want value of currency to trise for some reason
nara__narayana: liquidity concerns?
nara__narayana: plebeians gonna pleb
mircea_popescu: "o, someone important wrote something i don't like about me ? i know, i will CHANGE so that i'm no longer like that!11"
mircea_popescu: too fucking hard. how about instead... ask them to delete it. should work o.o
decimation: as if you can delete anything on the internet anyway
nara__narayana: status is such a currency right now, most people are blinded by veneer
nara__narayana: *now
nara__narayana: i guess it always has been
nara__narayana: aesthetic should be self-similar to content
nara__narayana: it's been a pleasure, see you guys later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11538 @ 0.0007461 = 8.6085 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 330.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 330.47, 24 hour volume: 22932.71045831, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 335.01, 24 hour vwap: 326.354768788
TheNewDeal: bc,stats
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324372 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 203 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35298088650.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.8368
Vexual: ;;later tell cazalla
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: decimation: Should have been red, blue, and white tribes... duh
assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13099999 = 2.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16160 @ 0.00074337 = 12.0129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 550 @ 0.00149995 = 0.825 BTC [+] {6}
Vexual: TheNewDeal: There are no wise men without idiots.
TheNewDeal: sure there are
TheNewDeal: anyways, author forgoed the opportunity to call the whitest of tribes white, and called them gray. White would have served better to confuse the crowd of readers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.' << Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium
TheNewDeal: was gavin really commenting on qntra, or is that merely an actor
BingoBoingo: Seems to be actual Gavin
Vexual: You could ask him
TheNewDeal: vexual, are you too sober at this point in time?
Vexual: what am I making sense to you?
TheNewDeal: too many sense
BingoBoingo: << Lol, only one California team left but both Missouri teams remain.
assbot: BitBet - A team from California will win the World Series :: 0.07 B (39%) on Yes, 0.11 B (61%) on No | closing in 2 days 16 hours | weight: 1`695 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.01494324 = 0.7472 BTC
BingoBoingo: The Republic of Firestone Tires successfully contains Ebola in its corner of Africa
assbot: Firestone Did What Governments Have Not: Stopped Ebola In Its Tracks : Goats and Soda : NPR
Vexual: lol
Vexual: i don't even wanna read that the headline and byline are so good
Vexual: 'firestone being a cheap chinese tyre that vurns as good as any bridgestone, and also goats and soda
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
BingoBoingo: lol
assbot: PsychiatryOnline | The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences | Ejaculation After Defecation Without Orgasm Induced by Milnacipran
Vexual: bonfires over
Vexual: theres milnacipran in the marshmallows people, everyone out
Vexual: is not a good shit good enough?
Vexual: science gone mad
Vexual: have you seen this BingoBoingo?
Vexual: apparently it dissappears tumours in days
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Also apparently it keeps the Roos at bay
Vexual: well i think possums dont eat it
Vexual: although im not sure if anyones given them aesophogeal cancer yet
Vexual: qbiotics is still accepting investors i tink
Vexual: do yo uknow anything of the chemistry?
BingoBoingo: Not all too much.
Vexual: any idea on extraction?
Vexual: theres 5 years of black market there
fluffypony: I think I'm going to re-watch Rick & Morty
Vexual: :)
fluffypony: season 2 is too far away
BingoBoingo: There also isn't much that could really be divined looking at such a big small molecular weight molecule
Vexual: if you care to read the paper id be interested
bounce: huh, the usg cannot copyright but it can own patents? bit of a loophole there.
Vexual: bounce copyright and patent are two different concepts
assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
bounce: !up xiando
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Africa do anything interesting with BTC today?
fluffypony: well we haven't banned it yet
assbot: Mailpile: Some thoughts on working with GnuPG
assbot: Gpg4win and the feds -- Werner's own blurbs
Vexual: what the hell are you making?
BingoBoingo: Having to ship GnuPG binaries to Windows and MacOS users is bad enough, but dependency hell is a place we want to stay out of. If we were writing Mailpile in, say, C or C++, then PGPME would definitely be the library of choice, but we're not, so it isn't. << lulz
BingoBoingo: "These both follow the same output format, according to DETAILS. But look what happens when I add spaces to align the columns:" << Then don't align the fucking columns to make them "look nice"
Vexual: you were reading electum a few days ago
punkman: I'm on to supybot now
Vexual: ahhh
RagnarDanneskjol: which?
punkman: which supybot?
punkman: guess I'm going with Limnoria fork
punkman: maybe nanotube has some advice on this matter
Vexual: i still have no idea what youre doing
punkman: nanotube, should I use Limnoria?
RagnarDanneskjol: which as in whats the project - sorry If i overlooked
punkman: rewriting deedbot and maybe other things
RagnarDanneskjol: OH excellent
Vexual: what does deedbot do?
assbot: deedBot
Vexual: i like to read the cover first
RagnarDanneskjol: the guy is mia and never delivered the final code ver so had to have one of my haxor friends break into his server to extract it.. server has more holes than (something with a lot of holes)
punkman: well who wants a PHP hairball anyway
RagnarDanneskjol: xactly
thestringpuller: PHP hairballs are gross
thestringpuller: python ftw
punkman: he did duct-tape the thing pretty quickly, I'll give him that
thestringpuller: at least it works.
thestringpuller: .deed
thestringpuller: >:\
RagnarDanneskjol: needs voice
Vexual: !up deedbot
RagnarDanneskjol: php is what the boss ordered - despite my misgivings
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.09, Best ask: 339.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 339.69, 24 hour volume: 20390.99035761, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 342.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.165414436
RagnarDanneskjol: .deed
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in
thestringpuller: Reddit comments always deliver!
thestringpuller: Yeah I'm not sure this will be so controversial. If miners want BTC to be worth more, then they'll want the network to scale. It's really that simple. And Gavin is obviously trustworthy.
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, quite the pinnacle of enlightened, thoughtful discourse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8055 @ 0.00074225 = 5.9788 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: g10 Code - STEED
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh. thats neat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13199999 = 2.772 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Everyone just wants to follow Gavin and the BitcoinFoundation to the edge of the cliff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 58 @ 0.13099999 = 7.598 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: is that the moon or mars?
RagnarDanneskjol: blood moon tonight
punkman: you'd have noticed it if it was mars
Vexual: thats a likeness of Juscelino Kubitschek with the last blood moon
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedbot
punkman: guess I'm gonna register deedbot2
RagnarDanneskjol: yea - we'll get it back from him soon
RagnarDanneskjol: maybe deedb0t
punkman: maybe punkbot
bounce: d33db0t
RagnarDanneskjol: OH yea
Vexual: this is jimi hendrix describing thet he was born of a night like tonight
deedBot: Bundled: 7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
Vexual: well, he doesnt actualy mentio in in that version, but theres a small return
deedBot: published
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: did you see anything interesting at the conference
RagnarDanneskjol: i got delayed - missed the first conference - headed to this one tomorrow. there is like a whole week of them.. hashers united(laff) comes the next day
RagnarDanneskjol: going to
assbot: Home
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 74 @ 0.01059552 = 0.7841 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.13099999 = 0.786 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Would you be up for taking some pictures?
Vexual: ooh baby
thickasthieves: kinda looks like a scammy conference
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, maybe. this is all investor derps and I'm not much of a camera guy, but guess I can take some spy shots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00074277 = 20.2405 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: slap on a badge, say you are from the press
RagnarDanneskjol: they are all scammy conferences. make your skin crawl to hear most of the stuff there - like the worst of the worst. I just go to gawk
RagnarDanneskjol: Ha
thickasthieves: Brian Santos is the BitcoinPride/SatoshiPoker guy
thickasthieves: he doesnt say so when he speaks tho
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Just if there's any booths out there would be appreciated. If you get 5 picutres I'll toss you Hundredth out of the Cardinals won the NLDS kitty.
BingoBoingo: Also Hundredth is the new slang for what used to be called a bitcent
RagnarDanneskjol: heh. no 'exhibitors at this one. its all start up pitched to Angel losers
BingoBoingo: Ah
RagnarDanneskjol: pitches*
punkman: will they have lulzy powerpoints?
BingoBoingo: Oh, so the desperate starter uppers don't have booths in a pen where they sling pitches like at Arrington's?
RagnarDanneskjol: i can only hope so
Vexual: hundreth? sounds a litlle sr ?
Vexual: who says hundreth?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: We have to accept that Bitcoin itself may become contraband all on its own.
Vexual: mayhaps ill just bust ross out, did they move his 140k?
BingoBoingo: Havent checked
Vexual: i think they did
Vexual: this aint shawshank
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Check any NCAA betting lines yet this week? My usually shitbook is offering Mizzou and Georgia at even money.
BingoBoingo: !up eightyeight
RagnarDanneskjol: not yet - usually wait till thursday. That will be a great game.
BingoBoingo: !up eizodo
assbot: Building it | Worlds largest ship
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Either great or horrible. Georgia hasn't been looking very Georgia like this year.
RagnarDanneskjol: i kno. fun fact: Ragnar played as redshirt freshman for the bulldogs
RagnarDanneskjol: d-end
RagnarDanneskjol: I actually hate the team tho,, my team's USC (carolina)
RagnarDanneskjol: altho I fuking HATE Spurrier.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074697 = 4.183 BTC [+]
Vexual: so, you like baseball?
BingoBoingo: Nice. I imagine no one really likes Spurrier though. Sort of coach who wins consistently, but it is so painful to endure the way he does it.
assbot: Beepi Raises $60 Million to Sell Used Cars to the Smartphone Generation - Digits - WSJ
punkman: " in a bet that people will purchase used cars with a few taps from their smartphones without ever taking a test drive."
Vexual: surely the smartphone generation prefers new cars?
punkman: oh they even take bitcoin
BingoBoingo: I prefer used cars myself, but would never buy one without a test drive.
Vexual: thats it\
Vexual: but kids line up to pay 1000 for the new ihone
BingoBoingo: Give the cars a few years to separate what is actually reliable vs. crippled
BingoBoingo: Also the way cars depreciate unless you do the retarded route and go Dealer certified the discount for used is immense.
BingoBoingo: Additionally I've found a new favorite pdf de-turder
assbot: Convert documents to TXT
Vexual: neato
RagnarDanneskjol: oh NICE - i need this
BingoBoingo: It was the first converter I tried that actually de-shitted the court pdf successfully
Vexual: eat beans
Vexual: before court
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I have to get a hold of the lawyer today, and find out why again it appears he failed to get a dismissal.
Vexual: dismissal you'll have
punkman: BingoBoingo: is it because he keeps getting paid?
Vexual: ;;google frank matano naples
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BingoBoingo: punkman: He only gets paid again if it goes to trial.
BingoBoingo: But he already seems too busy for his caseload.
Vexual: look him in the eye and tell him what you want, same goes for the judge
Vexual: save if for the day if your guy is being a cunt
BingoBoingo: I already have a sack of secret shit ready for trial if it comes to that.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly. <<< i will do this in the morning
cazalla: sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - <<< you can change email to, happy to leave it as a feed, ty for that
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BingoBoingo: Does anyone here participate in they've been sending a tiny bit of traffic, but no way to know in what context we've been linked
punkman: BingoBoingo:
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punkman: probably automated
BingoBoingo: punkman: If you go to their domain it seems more like a sort of club or cult thing.
BingoBoingo: Seekrit manifest and all
punkman: yeah think I've seen it before
punkman: here's a "report" from them
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Vexual: that being said, it's highly likey the best of the suisse banks are unchanged still
Vexual: and bingoboingos case will be dismissed
BingoBoingo: I hope
Vexual: well it's kinda how things go
Vexual: you're probably tagged as a pep
Vexual: ie politically exposed person
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: After seeing what happened with Weev, maybe the figure I'm less problematic if not exposed to prison?
Vexual: well im channelling tomme le jones here now, but id say if you dont do too mcuh wrong in the next well youll be fine
Vexual: tomme lee jones never typed that dunk
Vexual: *drunk
Vexual: who's weev?
cazalla: gnaa
Vexual: u wot?
cazalla: ;;ud gnaa
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Vexual: yes but weev?
Vexual: oh
Vexual: cazalla a desk at that coop might bring scoops
Vexual: or chinese lunches
cazalla: just catching up on logs, then i'll check out links
Vexual: all mojo
Vexual: all day
Vexual: ;;gettrust cazalla
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cazalla: what's your wot name Vexual
Vexual: muxne
cazalla: ;;rate muxne 1 true blue fair dinkum aussie battler
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cazalla: fuck that's too hard right now
Vexual: grappa?
cazalla: i've had a beer but i just finished driving syd to melb
Vexual: youll need a few more
cazalla: so many dead roos on the hume hwy yet none in sight
Vexual: did you see the guy hit a roo on a harley on liveleak?
cazalla: nah just 1, i'm done (excessive) drinking
cazalla: no lol
Vexual: he hit it square and held it
Vexual: 115kph
cazalla: there is a gixxer hitting one on youtube but no harley, that it?
Vexual: i dont know what gixxer is
cazalla: gsxr
cazalla: the suzukis
Vexual: im sure it said harley
Vexual: 1100?
cazalla: found it
Vexual: thatd be more than 155 and chop suey
Vexual: weights up higher
cazalla: damn, lucky rider
Vexual: good rider first, also lucky
Vexual: i rode a gsxr once
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Vexual: i saw colours
cazalla: i had a zzr for a bit, thinking i'll play some road rash for real
cazalla: you know how that worked out
Vexual: thats a fast piece of machinery, and the valves sound special
Vexual: give you the kinda feedback you need at 100 mph
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Vexual: im guessing you bent the front spokes and gave it away?
cazalla: nah, i came off the road, mind you this was zzr 250cc, not even a powerful bike
cazalla: slid on the gravel a bit, bike was all scratched to hell, spooked me enough to call it a day
Vexual: well a zzr 250 and a gsxr1100 across the traffic lights...
Vexual: and top speed...
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cazalla: was for the best
Vexual: theres not much in it
cazalla: zzr is a nice bike
Vexual: yah
cazalla: anyway, things we do when young and stupid
Vexual: yeah, i wouldn't wanna ride one all the way to sydney
Vexual: but a zzr 250 will take anything across the likes at 13k revs
Vexual: *lights
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
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thickasthieves: yep yep
Vexual: unless you're an elf on a powerband aprillia 125
Vexual: shits got more ^2 than a 747
Vexual: i hope they put kawasakis in hoverbikes
Vexual: or are they called hoverquads?
Vexual: quikes?
Vexual: loose tappets
dub: sounds like my car
Vexual: deus ex machina
dub: which has a yamaha 1800 vtec
Vexual: honda?
dub: fuck you
Vexual: its cool
dub: toyota corolla
Vexual: its an excellent machine
Vexual: blueprinted?
dub: mostly stock
Vexual: what year?
Vexual: i had an 82
Vexual: leaked oil
Vexual: and power
Vexual: and occassionally din't run
Vexual: but iv'e been in a nice one
Vexual: made me wish i knew how to maintain
dub: '01 jdm zze123, sold as sportivo in au
dub: US equiv, about how mine runs
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dub: er matrix is US body
Vexual: i sthat a rear engine jobbie?
dub: mrs is
Vexual: spyder for the mrs
Vexual: most borrowed car evar
Vexual: now its all tts and 350s
Vexual: just gotta get milk
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penguirker: New blog post:
RagnarDanneskjol: coingenda started yesterday fyi bingoboingo
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: That was just a reception
Vexual: melbourne seems realer about doind stuff
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - i see you mentioned that - I got my confrences mixed - its a fuull week
Vexual: that said ive never been to vegas
bounce: after a receiont last night ... after a reception last night. so there was like a reception last night? did I get that right?
BingoBoingo: fxd
Vexual: afroman circa 200 (lyric:sell your crack on the internet but not yet)
mthreat: Vexual: 350z?
Vexual: yah, ladies car
Vexual: get the saloon
mthreat: i had a 350z, great track car
Vexual: well then
mthreat: and i had this:
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Vexual: ill take the mr2
mthreat: which saloon do you mean?
mthreat: above
Vexual: whats it called the nissan?
Vexual: i forget
mthreat: the 350z?
mthreat: gt-r?
Vexual: thats the ladies coupe
Vexual: thast it
mthreat: <-- ladies?
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Vexual: it's a sexy car, i just wouldnt own it
mthreat: fair 'nuff
dub: exige still have the 2zz-ge?
Vexual: ill take a gtr
Vexual: heres your fat ass 350
mthreat: yeah, and the later models are supercharged
Vexual: supercharged?
mthreat: (Exiges). yeah, my S260 has 260 horsepower with a 1.8L engine
Vexual: that might cause some forward mmomentum
mthreat: with a 2000-pound car, yep
dub: yeah NA version in my car
Vexual: NA is NA
dub: know a couple of dudes with blower kits
Vexual: well let me at cha with a dremel and a scredriver
Vexual: corolla
Vexual: get acii on the case put a belt drive blower on that shit
Vexual: *ascii
Vexual: fix the oil seals manyana
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Vexual: looks like julia t
Vexual: fuckin aye
Vexual: jack nicholson on freedom in the usa
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nubbins`: imagine, Maroon 5 was the headliner and nobody wanted to go
nubbins`: who woulda thought
Vexual: id go, i love maroon 5
Vexual: also salmon
Vexual: prolly moreso
Vexual: im ust be part inuit
Vexual: did you go?
thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes
Vexual: guess not
thickasthieves: wisdom of the crowd!
Vexual: aerosmith , kiss, marooooooooooooooooooooooon5
Vexual: the lcal scan't say it
Vexual: marun?
Vexual: mar'un
Vexual: eh fek it
nanotube: punkman1: yea limnoria is a good choice.
Vexual: orb learn relativity
Vexual wanker
Vexual: orb report hapiness
Vexual vaoant
nubbins`: thickasthieves they changed to appease the wrong crowd
nubbins`: this concert is in the middle of the fuckin island in a town of 13k people
nubbins`: generally they get some washed-up act like kiss or the eagles or aerosmith, everybody's parents drive out to central to relive the days of their youth
nubbins`: nobody's driving 5 hours to see a maroon 5 concert.
thickasthieves: or salmon
thickasthieves: nor*
nubbins`: well, y'know, rightly so.
nubbins`: anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.
Vexual: id drive 5 hors for a slice of salmon
nubbins`: and so at the end of the day, the town is out half a mill
thickasthieves: we have a shrimp fetsival here that does really well
Vexual: thats a half thruth
nubbins`: maybe next year they'll get william hung
thickasthieves: they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands
nubbins`: heh thickasthieves that's the idea
mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say that sounds like a winner
nubbins`: "up next: pistols & flowers"
nubbins`: "up next: led hot zilli peppers"
Vexual: lol
nubbins`: (they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)
mircea_popescu: you srs ?!
Vexual: yay not wasting moeny!
nubbins`: no joke
mircea_popescu: pistols & flowers ?
nubbins`: also no joke
mircea_popescu: wtf's next, "the whom" ? "the bind" ?
Vexual: lol
nubbins`: i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?
mircea_popescu: ahahh
mircea_popescu: moar like the why, amirite.
nubbins` claps softly
Vexual: meth + none is cheaper than someone
assbot: Led Hot Zili Peppers - Proud Mary - Turtle Jacks, Jun.14/11 - YouTube
nubbins`: i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye
nubbins`: drummer looks about 9
Vexual: kids rock
mircea_popescu: !up brianhoffman
Vexual: drummers going places
nubbins`: not with his hair in his eyes
mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't care about the blood...
Vexual: he'll be shaved and get better friends
nubbins`: Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens
nubbins`: wish there was more video ;/
Vexual: yeah its the future and shit
mircea_popescu: ahhh this is lulzy. trilema traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.
nubbins`: once i figure out a food-based emulsion i'm going to start screening jam on my sandwiches
mircea_popescu: this blog be goin' places.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` mayo.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers
mircea_popescu: people have been painting with mayo since about 1500
nubbins`: but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?
nubbins`: actually this reminds me, roomie made mayo from scratch the other day
nubbins`: i think it was a good idea letting this guy move in
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.
nubbins`: that's a lotta text
mircea_popescu: which guy ?
nubbins`: so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award
nubbins`: new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in
nubbins`: and MAN can this guy fuckin cook
thickasthieves: The Whom, lol!
mircea_popescu: o hai tat
Vexual: resturants go bad with bad mayo
nubbins`: i had these roma tomatoes and i wondered aloud "what can i make with these?"
Vexual: its where the very term chicken shit came from
mircea_popescu: nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.
nubbins`: 9 hours later we'd made homemade mayo, lasagna from scratch, a full shoulder of pulled pork, fresh ravioli, pan-seared cod...
mircea_popescu: it's not so hard really.
mircea_popescu: but lasagna takes more than nine hours.
Vexual: you make lagsngne in house?
nubbins`: the prep work was done the day before
nubbins`: had to slow-roast the tomatoes in the oven overnight
mircea_popescu: a
Vexual: immabout to get garfield on your arse mr poescue
mircea_popescu: hm ?
nubbins`: but yeah. pasta, sauce, meat, all of it from scratch
mircea_popescu: well the meat was ostensibly made from cow.
nubbins`: HEH
kakobrekla: did ya kill the cow?
nubbins`: moose, in fact
nubbins`: ground it ourselves tho!
kakobrekla: ah, ran over it?
thickasthieves: under
nubbins`: nah my mom is from "the bay", we get all the moose we want for free
nubbins`: heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: generally you hit a moose, it ends up in your lap
kakobrekla: does moose taste similar to deer?
nubbins`: never tried deer
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah, similar to bison.
nubbins`: moose is like a spicy/stringy beef
kakobrekla: never had bison or moose. had deer many times.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ?
nubbins`: caribou might be closert
nubbins`: *closer
kakobrekla: possibly although i dont recall it.
mircea_popescu: he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.
kakobrekla: who me?
nubbins`: and dogs
mircea_popescu: yes you :D
kakobrekla: meh
kakobrekla: horse ftw
thickasthieves: they have ice too
nubbins`: anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"
mircea_popescu: ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse
nubbins`: 24h later, eating moose/pork/tomato ravioli w/ cod and veg: "this is one thing you can do with those tomatoes"
nubbins`: 9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you forgot 'edible house mouse'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` careful you don't end up living with an ex little producer.
Vexual: i make a wholemeal pasta for my lagsagne
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: 'edible dormouse'
mircea_popescu: uh. wtf
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mircea_popescu: edible by whom, squirrels ?
nubbins`: ex little producer
mircea_popescu: nubbins` paul f little
kakobrekla: these live in the woods and their fat has great medical value
nubbins`: "this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("
kakobrekla: but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten
Vexual: rats?
mircea_popescu: looks more like a chinchilla
kakobrekla: romans ate em
thickasthieves: Glis Glis, heh
Vexual: do you mice the bones or dress them?
kakobrekla: smaller than chinchilla
kakobrekla: its like a big mouse
Vexual: mice the whole thing? fur and all?
kakobrekla: very good furr also
thickasthieves: like a grey chipmunk
kakobrekla: my grandfather still hunts them
Vexual: lets stick to beef
thickasthieves: should we use glue or mayo?
nubbins`: i've got a variety of adhesives we can use
Vexual: what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?
nubbins`: how about alba-tac?
thickasthieves: this room would probly prefer sugru
nubbins`: i have some sugru but i think it's expired.
Vexual: sugru?
thickasthieves: adhesive putty
nubbins`: feels unusually stiff inside the package
nubbins`: Vexual room-temp-cure silicone
Vexual: thats not food
thickasthieves: lol
nubbins`: who said anything about food?
nubbins`: we're trying to stick to beef here
Vexual: and mayo
nubbins`: mayo's not sticky enough
Vexual: although i can cook kangaroo like you won't see anywhere
thickasthieves: it makes you blind?
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nubbins`: now you know
Vexual: no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mayo's not sticky enough << you can make it as sticky as you want
Vexual: because is a shade harder to do than mayo, and blantantly unnecessary
nubbins`: but i'm almost out of oil :(
mircea_popescu: use lube i guess ?!
nubbins`: would precum work?
Vexual: you get one of two experiences
Vexual: good and bad
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you gonna make mayo out of eggs and eggs ?
kakobrekla: actually worth it , lol,
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nubbins`: actually, i don't know if i have any eggs left.
nubbins`: the lasagne took like ten of them
mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?
Vexual: yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo
Vexual: its supposed to be ... err how you say
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lmao idjits
kakobrekla: totally
Vexual: cultured?
kakobrekla: i dont want to be on this planet anymore!
thickasthieves: kako awesome vid lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla or you could just no go to milan for faker week
mircea_popescu: i mean fashion week
kakobrekla: if only this would be limited to that.
Vexual: its all about the greek
thickasthieves: "everything you can put on your head, i love it."
nubbins`: shoes
mircea_popescu: "ballsacs especially"
mircea_popescu: can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?
kakobrekla: not that id known
mircea_popescu: anyway, all these people giving the sr prosecution a hard time are just assholes.
mircea_popescu: they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.
mircea_popescu: Scalia cuts him off: “Well, religious beliefs aren’t reasonable. I mean, religious beliefs are categorical. You know, it’s … God tells you. It’s not a matter of being reasonable.” He looks amazed. “God, be reasonable?”
mircea_popescu: gotta love scalia lol
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nubbins`: check the "read the full email" link just below the picture of the red viking guy
mircea_popescu: imo that's great precedent. hopefully people start attacking muslims for being muslims, it's a fucking ridoinculous religion and it needs some public mockery.
Vexual: i havent read the book
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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Vexual: thats lad looks like she might not be able to fjord tho
Vexual: since when did no or yes need a qualifier
mircea_popescu: to fjord ? it's a fjverb now !?
Vexual: ya
Vexual: its both
Vexual: english is whorish like that
thickasthieves: viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."
nubbins`: +1 hey?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fuck dubious jew carpenter guys
mircea_popescu: mary magdalene, however, maybe.
mircea_popescu: this is pre-syphilis after all.
nubbins`: did he die a jew, tho?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's with this canadian preoccupation with death in a fucking context.
nubbins`: iirc the guy was baptized
nubbins`: heavens ripped open, etc etc, john had a bit of concern over it all
mircea_popescu: the ripped open heavens i'd fuck
nubbins`: who wouldn't?!
nubbins`: "Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."
nubbins`: what the fuckin fuck?
mircea_popescu: << lol!
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` welcome to yesterday's lols.
mircea_popescu: they were had!
nubbins`: just catching up
nubbins`: "given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"
nubbins`: welcome to the asymmetric future
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.
mircea_popescu: course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.
nubbins`: !s hard fork
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mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?
thickasthieves: lol
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mircea_popescu: there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.
nubbins`: mooooprints
nubbins` tips hat, lights jazz cigarette
mircea_popescu: lol jazz cigarette
mircea_popescu: ;;google patricia kaas is not jazz
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nubbins`: hm, i wonder...
nubbins`: ;;ud jazz cigarette
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` you asshole, aerosmith ain't washed up!!!!1
nubbins`: all's well
nubbins`: mircea_popescu -_-
mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years
nubbins`: i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"
nubbins`: but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow
nubbins`: so they got whoever the fuck plays guitar in aerosmith instead
nubbins`: joe somebody?
mircea_popescu: tyler plays guitar now ?!
nubbins`: right?!
nubbins`: joe perry, that's it.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: tyler just does with the mouth
nubbins`: anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together
mircea_popescu: no idea who dave is
mircea_popescu: but tyler's enough an asshole for any needs.
nubbins`: guitarist from j.a., had some success in a douchey solo career
mircea_popescu: anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.
nubbins`: very "hollywood"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song
mircea_popescu: kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there
mircea_popescu: heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway
nubbins`: til mp is into smith
mircea_popescu: o yeah. always been. this is what i used to answer when 12 yo girls asked a 11 yo me what music i listen to
nubbins`: heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out
nubbins`: didn't last
nubbins`: anyway:
assbot: Jane's Addiction - Jane Says (Live at Irvine Meadows 1991) - YouTube
nubbins`: NOT featuring joe perry, but hey.
Vexual: noice
mircea_popescu: i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.
nubbins`: how about the "don
nubbins`: 't wanna close my eyes" shit
nubbins`: armageddon
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
nubbins` calmly tips over king w/ pawn
nubbins`: sorry, low blow
mircea_popescu: nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.
mircea_popescu: course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.
mircea_popescu: if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.
thickasthieves: eddie van halen is probly my #1 guitarist
thickasthieves: not cause i like van halen songs tremendously
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.
nubbins`: leeel
thickasthieves: just really appreciate how he works in them
mircea_popescu: shit, it's not applegate, iths the other blondie
mircea_popescu: wtf was her name
mircea_popescu: silverstone!
thickasthieves: arquette?
Vexual: blondie?
nubbins`: alicia
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0
thickasthieves: so, question, can digital music monetization be solved by essentially IPOing songs via bitcoin?
thickasthieves: each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased
thickasthieves: sorta like a ponzi
thickasthieves: but not
thickasthieves: you get a song
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and most aspies will be running schwartzenegger_0.9_early_beta_SiKOSiS_cracked_with_keygen
mircea_popescu: that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.
thickasthieves: but they get part ownership
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's already here.
thickasthieves: so sales revenue
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sales ? what sales ?
thickasthieves: stake
mats_cd03: so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016
thickasthieves: well popular artists could have preorders and min orders
nubbins`: mats_cd03 congratulations!
mats_cd03: i wonder whats going to happen
nubbins`: min wage was raised to $10.25 here a week or two ago
mats_cd03: i aint some broke nigga nubbins`
mircea_popescu: nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into the local economy? :P
mircea_popescu: people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.
mats_cd03: i doubt it
mircea_popescu: or even a couple of em, depending.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 nothing's gonna happen.
Vexual: ill be moving fixed rate rice soon
mats_cd03: more part time workers
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mats_cd03: more people getting penalized for not having health insurance
nubbins`: a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses that aren't too fucking stupid or poorly managed to take advantage of it
nubbins`: oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.
mircea_popescu: heh.
nubbins` shakes head sadly
mats_cd03: b-b-but romneycare in MA
mircea_popescu: pity they don't do the same thing to education, too
thickasthieves: apple reports selling 25billion songs
mircea_popescu: O WAIT!!!!
mircea_popescu: mwahahaha
thickasthieves: soooo
thickasthieves: someone's buying
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nope.
nubbins`: did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?
Vexual: fuck mano
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.
thickasthieves: $7.6bn CD sales
thickasthieves: lol
thickasthieves: $5.87b digital music
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".
mircea_popescu: look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe if obama had pushed canadacare instead...
thickasthieves: i understand the numbers fluffed
thickasthieves: but i dont believe they are tripled or such
mircea_popescu: not a matter of fluffed or tripled
nubbins`: i've bought music through apple
mircea_popescu: a matter of, "not your numbers"
nubbins`: not much, granted
nubbins`: but i've done it
nubbins`: wait, shit, sorry.
mircea_popescu: like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.
mircea_popescu: apple sells 25bn songs and if you put one for sale it suddenly gets five views and a candian quarter.
Vexual: were all sayin like now? i think we should stop that
Vexual: its vulgar
mircea_popescu: so what exact problem do you figure "ipoing" will solve ? apple needs your ipo like i need a beard implant.
thickasthieves: so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of
mircea_popescu: and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.
mircea_popescu: quite.
Vexual: beard implant lol
thickasthieves: so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?
mircea_popescu: not in any recognisable format.
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mircea_popescu: yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.
mircea_popescu: but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron
thickasthieves: so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?
mircea_popescu: it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,
mircea_popescu: it's a cycle.
thickasthieves: but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation
mircea_popescu: so you think.
mircea_popescu: it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.
Vexual: i sure as shit dont pandora or whatever
mircea_popescu: ;;google katajjaq
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mircea_popescu: that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.
mircea_popescu: it's that phase.
nubbins`: that was weird.
nubbins` eyes new RAM suspiciously
thickasthieves: yep and nakye west featuring throat-singer selling $10m
nubbins`: tanya tagaq?!
nubbins`: she won polaris this year
thickasthieves: rather $500m, after hyperinflation
mats_cd03: i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious
nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.
mircea_popescu: take britney, a fine example.
mircea_popescu: these aren't artists and they aren't selling anything.
Vexual: $500m? ill use fluffyponys' exclaimation
mircea_popescu: it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.
mircea_popescu: the network is a different story.
thickasthieves: nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still
mircea_popescu: yeah , but it's not really music, that
mircea_popescu: just like hot topic isn't really social commentary
mircea_popescu: it's just packaging, for to sell an actual product.
nubbins`: not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label
thickasthieves: yknow in america, things really are less logical than you guys realize
mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly my point.
nubbins`: "music as a product" and "music actual humans with taste listen to" are two completely different things
thickasthieves: people pay $10/m to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves notrly. they only appear to be, to the people captive.
nubbins`: this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves but they pay TO THE SERVICES
nubbins`: people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music
thickasthieves: yes. i was proposing a service
mircea_popescu: the "artists" get jack, and the idea that they're selling anything is ludicrous
thickasthieves: i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists
nubbins`: protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least to me.
nubbins`: there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums
thickasthieves: i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music
mircea_popescu: so what are you proposing, ways for apple to optimize its being apple ?
mircea_popescu: you're in no position to do that, are you now.
Vexual: dre made more money off his back cat than his headphones, he just likes new moeny
thickasthieves: or ways to bite into apple's apple by being hipper
mircea_popescu: lol this is like talking to dank.
mircea_popescu: dude.
thickasthieves: hip enough to sell out to yc or whatever
nubbins`: Vexual dre is an anomaly
Vexual: hes boss
thickasthieves: ok lets relaz and realize i'm just sharing a thought,
thickasthieves: i'm not selling the farm to save music
mircea_popescu: nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.
nubbins`: he also made more money as a producer than as an artist
Vexual: producer=producer
nubbins`: you know how much money dick surgery made selling albums?
nubbins`: $5
thickasthieves: lol
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.
nubbins`: you know how much dick surgery made selling t-shirts?
nubbins`: hundreds
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you owning the rights, ocourse
nubbins`: NATCH
mircea_popescu: the fucking point im making to him, already.
mircea_popescu: promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit to do with music.
nubbins`: people have fucked ideas about rights
mircea_popescu: they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if they felt like it
Vexual: this cats got the patent too
nubbins`: how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future
nubbins`: fucking of course it's okay!!!
nubbins`: you paid for it! it's yours!
nubbins`: the fact that this surprises people is fucked
thickasthieves: u guys never let me just kickstartify decentralizationed ideas anymore
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves it's because we love you.
nubbins`: ;;google coolio library
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nubbins`: bah fuck
nubbins`: anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc
nubbins`: for some reason
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.
Vexual: i remeber that
mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters
Vexual: i almost said something
mircea_popescu: to them it seems fucking natural they may use the words they're licensed to use
nubbins`: hear the sounds they're licensed to hear
mircea_popescu: and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.
asciilifeform: pay per click!
nubbins`: turns out mouse costumes are cheaper than billy-clubs
Vexual: its half a good idea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k
mircea_popescu: people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.
asciilifeform: a. belayev's 'the air seller.'
nubbins`: 500 even seems a lot
mircea_popescu: forget it. that thing's dead. for years now.
asciilifeform: ;;google the air seller
gribble: The Air Seller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Air Purifiers - <>; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Heating & Air Conditioning: < (1 more message)
nubbins`: turns out amazon is the air seller.
Vexual: bc was about 60 bux then
mircea_popescu: stuff like "net neutrality" aren't occuring in a vacuum. people have in fact managed to narrow it enough that by now managing sites on a per site basis is fewasible, just like channels on cable
nubbins`: Vexual costly :o
Vexual: :)
mircea_popescu: THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet
mircea_popescu: and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.
mircea_popescu: fail to support an ecosystem, be eaten by your upstream provider.
mircea_popescu: there's always an upstream.
nubbins`: hurricane electric!
nubbins`: hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server
mircea_popescu: and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure
mircea_popescu: because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.
Vexual: if you see me pick up a gun, shootme
mircea_popescu: as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.
mircea_popescu: "nobody could have foreseen" etc.
asciilifeform: 'UNLESS.'
mircea_popescu: forget it, it's like asking a dog to relate cause and effect across a week
mircea_popescu: the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
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thickasthieves: lalala
nubbins`: not bad
nubbins`: i'm still in the money like MAD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?
asciilifeform: 9
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
asciilifeform: but maybe that's just me
mircea_popescu: i fear to find what may be 1 on your scale :D
asciilifeform: 1, idk, private key of fellow who i don't even know is alive, eh
mircea_popescu: you never taught, have you ?
asciilifeform: not pro, no
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.
asciilifeform: ahaha various people told me this.
mircea_popescu: it's just... human head dun work so well.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it. << Ever the optimist
mircea_popescu: heh.
Vexual: this aint school
Vexual: esta real life
Vexual: youll only get points for saying something cool if its really fucking cool
Vexual: outta sight cool
mircea_popescu: and if you don't, they dock ya.
Vexual: aint that the truth
nubbins`_: and ya don't get to whine
mircea_popescu: anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.
mircea_popescu: it splits people up into classes.
Vexual: ive only reclently reaslised how much i need to explain
Vexual: i think i did university wrongly
nubbins`: who didn't
Vexual: well im sure i never scool any eaasy reader as well as mircea_popescu did
Vexual: and i was writing on genetics, so i coulda
Vexual: i sat in on law and classics
Vexual: critical thought
Vexual: i ocassionally mistook cell works for finance
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Vexual: but i never lerned nothin like physics
Vexual: its the biz
Vexual: science of science
Vexual: im too old to lurk into lectures now
Vexual: but i do it anyway
Vexual: i even out my hand up wuth mart arse answers every once in a while
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nubbins`: i thought it was the science of math
Vexual: !up diana_coman
Vexual: physics?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: it's all just applied math
Vexual: its maths and phiolosphy in a special ball of yummy
nubbins`: the philosophy is a step removed, hidden within the math
Vexual: yeah its visa vera too
Vexual: its where math meets every other science
Vexual: what kinda math do you do?
Vexual: are you satoshi?
nubbins`: what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical
Vexual: practical in astro belive it or not
nubbins`: passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will
mircea_popescu: !up Sweete__
Sweete__: thk:)
mircea_popescu: sure.
Vexual: hi Sweete__
Sweete__: hi
Vexual: whats with the __ ??
Vexual: you a lowrider or something?
Sweete__: ok
Vexual: or was sweete taken?
Sweete__: taken
Sweete__: L(
Sweete__: :(
Vexual: lol
Vexual: whats your story?
thickasthieves: we're gonna hit 360 today it seems
Sweete__: long story
Vexual: werea ll youngish here
thickasthieves: and we're all here for the stories
Vexual: ;;google bitcoinity
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mircea_popescu: one short of leet.
diana_coman: I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
nubbins`: i'm here for the focused dialogue
Sweete__: 350 on stamp
thickasthieves: yep, should go down in a min
thickasthieves: bad wordchoice
Sweete__: yep
thickasthieves: the wall will be eaten
thickasthieves: sweet__ you daytrade btcusd and/or?
mircea_popescu: going down and eating ?
Sweete__: same
thickasthieves: eat dem walls!
thickasthieves: hehe
Vexual: mircea_popescu: i wish
Vexual: mornin' ben_vulpes
thickasthieves: Ben Fox
Vexual: ;;ticker
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thickasthieves: I'm John Oak
mircea_popescu: better than woody allen...
Vexual: better than deep throat
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ben_vulpes: morning, vex, thickasthieves, mircea_popescu
Vexual: tenny
ben_vulpes: ah that's a new one
ben_vulpes: what are you doing up so early?
nubbins`: so late
ben_vulpes: slash late
ben_vulpes: so out of your normal cycle
TomServo: ben_vulpes nubbins` just noticed you guys have notes waiting on other nicks
nubbins`: nothing important, i hope
nubbins`: speeling = improtant
nubbins`: ;;notes nubbins
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ben_vulpes: ;;notes benkay
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ben_vulpes: everyone writes one
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nubbins`: ♪
nubbins`: imagine
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Vexual: philipino!
Vexual: hey duffer
Duffer1: hey man
Vexual: got any treasure for me?
Vexual: i need a fucking mission
Duffer1: i wish man :(
Duffer1: ha
ben_vulpes: Vexual: what do you do with yourself anyways?
Vexual: i generally work in managerial positions
ben_vulpes: o.O
Vexual: yeah don't ask coz i dunno
Vexual: grave robbing, trading, all the fun stuff
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nubbins`: "It's not that the suits fail; it's that people fail when they take it off."
Vexual: she may well ahve
Vexual: no shit
Vexual: you don't fuck about with ebola
Vexual: its sad
Vexual: the sadder thin is they aren't quarantining the people she met
Vexual: you only get one chance to stop that shit
nubbins`: well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something
Vexual: dead
asciilifeform: obola must spread - orders from ebama.
Vexual: already
Vexual: lol youre typing like me ascii
Vexual: whole crew is here
Vexual: how long til you're dining on roo pete?
pete_dushenski: Vexual: 2 months :)
pete_dushenski: so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...
Vexual: wow, full price tickets
pete_dushenski: compare and
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Vexual: lol
Vexual: diff
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pete_dushenski: different fucking email addresses, different fucking website urls
Vexual: im thinking of getting some stamps in my passport, asny suggestions?
pete_dushenski: somalia
Vexual: really?
pete_dushenski: i hear it's a country
Vexual: dont be a wank hole
Vexual: i dont want to get on a terrorist list
mats_cd03: depends what you want to do
Vexual: cheeky fucker
mats_cd03: want to join the global jihad?
nubbins`: if you float down the rio tambopata in peru they will give you a special stamp
Vexual: i was thinkinking learning russian
pete_dushenski: Vexual what makes you think you aren't already?
nubbins`: there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado
Vexual: oh i am
pete_dushenski: so
Vexual: so dont tell me 2 months
pete_dushenski: it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now
Vexual: fart you
pete_dushenski: ;)
Vexual: :)
thickasthieves: vexual well what kinda places do you like?
Vexual: i like spicy food
Vexual: and crazy people
thickasthieves: brazil?
Vexual: or vodka
Vexual: yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly
Vexual: ive been there
thickasthieves: word
thickasthieves: visit mp
Vexual: no ne is scary
Vexual: and wed have nothing to talk about
thickasthieves: lol
Vexual: i havent read evry book
thickasthieves: he'd be glad to explain them to you
pete_dushenski: spicy food + crazy people = jamaica
Vexual: bankok is closer
pete_dushenski: sri lanka too
mircea_popescu: jamaica is al sluts i hear
pete_dushenski: "I have never owned much Bitcoin. I give away or spend what I buy. I am not a hoarder of Bitcoin. I don’t care about that aspect of Bitcoin, although many (most?) do. I care about it as programmable money."
Vexual: oh sluts is good
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pete_dushenski: ^fred wilson
Vexual: never bin srilanka
pete_dushenski: me neither, nor do i even know anyone who has.
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Vexual: yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts
Vexual: whos go with virgins anyway?
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thickasthieves: fred wilson, bullwhale
Vexual: i mean, seriously, c'mon
Vexual: indonesia
Vexual: i speak the lingo and they'll keep me sober
Vexual: and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city
punkman: Vexual: been to istanbul?
Vexual: no
Vexual: ive prolly flown over
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ? << best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!
Vexual: sounds french
pete_dushenski: it was vilnian like a villain
thickasthieves: indonesia wants dem free bitcoins
assbot: Google Trends
Vexual: bali got a fuckton from oldmate
Vexual: well.75 of a ton
Vexual: a reasonable fuck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00074288 = 5.6407 BTC [-]
assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics
asciilifeform: i still don't grok 'doxing'
asciilifeform: how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?
Vexual: well you give a name and adress
Vexual: documents, not dirt
Vexual: it is what it is
Vexual: oh you dont like it? me nmeither
mats_cd03: 'dox' broadly means making people vulnerable to democratic violence
Vexual: anywy, imma see what jamaica is like
Vexual: or somewhere else
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat
asciilifeform: so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?
mats_cd03: yes
mats_cd03: as well as vulnerability to things like swatting
mats_cd03: some corporations are also known to allow purchase orders with charge on delivery
BingoBoingo: Like pizza companis
mats_cd03: dox can make it feasible to dump piles of e.g. office supplies
mats_cd03: and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou
mats_cd03: doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.
asciilifeform: all of this works solely because scarcely anyone pulls the trick.
asciilifeform: as described in recent mircea_popescu post
mats_cd03: the day is nigh.
BingoBoingo: !up X-Rob
X-Rob: Morning BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Morning Rob
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00074766 = 13.0467 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: ^my reply to the other "gavin"
pete_dushenski: those duplicitous derps...
mircea_popescu: !up jacoblyles
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.
mircea_popescu: ;;google PW:RN
gribble: Anita Somplasky, RN CHTS-CP CHTS-PW | LinkedIn: <>; Susan C. Benfield RN, BA CHTS-CP, CHTS-PW | LinkedIn: <>; USGS Professional Pages - Paul Seelbach: <>
mircea_popescu: there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.
BingoBoingo: << Too high to lie defense
assbot: Have You Ever Been Too High to Lie?
mircea_popescu: because that's how shamanic "thinking" works.
mircea_popescu: and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...
asciilifeform: ;;google true names and other dangers
gribble: True Names...and Other Dangers: Vernor Vinge: 9780671653637 ...: <>; True Names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; True Names... and Other Dangers by Vernor Vinge — Reviews ...: <>
asciilifeform: ^ original turd on the subject
mircea_popescu: there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.
mircea_popescu: fucking natives, these people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i was being very very facetious
pete_dushenski: lolk
mircea_popescu: o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?
asciilifeform: 'In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent sorcerer regarded his own true name as his most valued possession but also the greatest threat to his continued good health, for -- the stories go -- once an enemy, even a weak unskilled enemy, learned the sorcerer's true name, then routine and widely known spells could destroy or enslave even the most powerful. As times passed, and we graduat
asciilifeform: ed to the Age of Reason and thence to the first and second industrial revolutions, such notions were discredited. Now it seems that the Wheel has turned full circle (even if there never really was a First Age) and we are back to worrying about true names again...'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this requires special modes of thought - like reasoning about how small is electron, or how large - galaxy
mircea_popescu: except they're not modes of thought, they're modes of feeling.
mircea_popescu: anyone spending enough time daydreaming develops them
mircea_popescu: this in stark opposition with thought, where simply spending time doing addition does not automatically qualify one for analysis say
asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
mircea_popescu: that's two bit.
asciilifeform: no, four.
jurov: ever had all 4 set?
asciilifeform: can set any combo.
mircea_popescu: wait you can have them concurrent ?
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ?
asciilifeform: you of all people should know
mircea_popescu: "if i could be bothered to stand up i'd bugger you" ?
asciilifeform: that'd be just 'sloth' bit
mircea_popescu: isn;'t the sloth merely "if i could be bothered to stand up" ?
asciilifeform: with just gate noise of 'lust'
mircea_popescu: aha
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ? <+asciilifeform> you of all people should know <<< my sides
mircea_popescu: "i'm too lazy to go out and pick something up so i'ma troll livejournal for gmaxwell's girlfriend" ?
mircea_popescu: shit my client automatically expands wikiwhale to gmaxwell's girlfriend ;/
mircea_popescu: <jurov> ever had all 4 set? << this'd be interesting.
nubbins`: speaking of all 4 sets, the mint sent me an email
nubbins`: 1 sec
nubbins`: not available to public yet, gotta screenshot
nubbins`: minted by -- no kidding -- the country of Niue
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters << different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: neat
nubbins`: neat indeed. pretty fuckin costly for 1oz of silver in a plastic box tho
pete_dushenski: but… pnumanism!
nubbins`: actually lame as shit irl
mircea_popescu: kinda lame yeah.
mircea_popescu: pocket protectors included ?
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: (C) 1935, 2013 HASBRO
nubbins`: "cool coin, man"
nubbins`: "they really licensed the shit out of that logo"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: everyone writes one << everyone with a blog and a brain.
thestringpuller: "i still have no idea what y.all are talking about.
thestringpuller: You do know that no matter how large the block, only the 80-byte block header is hashed?
thestringpuller: If you are just trolling, then kudos, you got my attention for about three minutes."
thestringpuller: How does the chief scientist not realize increasing block size increases burden on full nodes?
nubbins`: such comment, many vitriol
nubbins`: thestringpuller any satisfaction with usps?
mthreat: mircea_popescu: coffee chat today - Igor (the baexpat forum owner) will be there.
assbot: Coffee Chat - Wed 8 Oct 2014, 4-7Pm (Barrio Norte) - Expat Events - Buenos Aires Expats Group
mthreat: mircea_popescu: in case you want to confront him about bitcoin posts on the forum (that seemed to be filtered at one point)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: o gavin knows very well.
pete_dushenski: he's just playing it up for the crowd.
pete_dushenski: very much like a magician who distracts the crowd with a joke or a pretty lady while the trap door opens.
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.57, Best ask: 345.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 345.57, 24 hour volume: 26823.95596431, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 354.18, 24 hour vwap: 339.577546866
thestringpuller: nubbins`: not yet I gotta go to the local office today once I feel like not being lazy and get some real clothes on.
thestringpuller: !up go1111111
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is not identified.
nubbins`: !down thestringpuller
nubbins`: my sides
thestringpuller: !up go1111111
go1111111: thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule
BingoBoingo: go1111111: 50% a year is non-trivial
go1111111: regarding CPU power, the ASICS that are doing the hashing are not the same resource that would add a transaction. a general CPU would be doing that, which would otherwise be sitting idle
thestringpuller: mining isn't the issue
BingoBoingo: go1111111: I'm talking bandwidth
nubbins`: what specifically is the issue
thestringpuller: it's the decentralization of full nodes
nubbins`: 1TB hard drives not cheap enough for ya?
thestringpuller: the higher bandwidth necessary to run a full node over time T will force the centralization of nodes
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Keeping full nodes in sync
go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about
thestringpuller: so then why up 50% a year and not leave the block size alone?
nubbins`: how about some hard numbers? what sort of bandwidth are you guys talking about?
thestringpuller: if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given << This
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Gavin hasn't proposed a hard number where he wants to start 50% annual increases from.
thestringpuller: ;;google average bandwidth in north america
gribble: Netflix Remains King of Bandwidth Usage, While YouTube Declines ...: <>; Report: Average U.S. Broadband Prices Are Below World Average ...: <>; Measuring Broadband America - February 2013 | (1 more message)
go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: okay, so when people say "bandwidth is the thing to be concerned about", do they have numbers in mind or is just a wank?
thestringpuller: go1111111: now you're off topic.
nubbins`: why am i asking you?
Apocalyptic: go1111111, doing 1 thing pretty good is plenty enough
nubbins`: go1111111: do you have numbers in mind or is it just a wank?
Apocalyptic: but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome // what is it with people always wanting the same thing to "do a lot more" ?
nubbins`: Apocalyptic it worked for bucky
go1111111: thestringpuller: you're asking "why up 50% a year?". my reply directly addressed that. Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go, and it requires lots of transaction processing capability
thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc
nubbins`: you're just throwing random numbers together in a sentence
thestringpuller: go1111111: you can do that without forcing centralization due to resource scarcity...
nubbins`: nobody's talking about average internet speed increasing by 50% a year
thestringpuller: he's talking about block size going up 50% a year because of bandwidth "doubling" every year
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It's an assumption Gavin takes into account
thestringpuller: nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: okay, sure. seems like a fair assumption
nubbins`: i've been sitting on 50mbit for a couple years now
nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
thestringpuller: it is
thestringpuller: US average bandwidth is 10Mbit
nubbins`: note that usa is not a first world country
thestringpuller: OKAY
nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
thestringpuller: I'll give you that
nubbins`: how much bandwidth does a full node chew right now?
thestringpuller: So you want to centralize all the full nodes to first world countries?
nubbins`: thestringpuller: you want to stop it?
nubbins`: o noes, somalia can't run a full node
go1111111: thestringpuller: Bitcoin still could be extremely decentralized if full nodes were limited to 1st world countries
nubbins`: ^
thestringpuller: very possibly, but that still doesn't solve the issue of forcing more burden on the full nodes.
thestringpuller: starting a full node as of now isn't trivial. ask BingoBoingo how long it took to start one from scratch as of this summer.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, how long did it take you to start a node from scratch as of this summer?
go1111111: most of the burden now is that it's very cumbersome, not that the resources required are expensive
go1111111: that's a software issue
nubbins`: so to run a full node, you'd be expected to dick around with software a little bit and have a first-world internet connection
nubbins`: imagine, the horror
chetty: internet is pretty darn good most places, only place I ever had much of an issue the deserts of Egypt
nubbins`: so there goes that argument
nubbins`: why precisely are we whining about block size?
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're actually in favour of the increase ?
thestringpuller: i'm almost certain if you increase the blocksize to great too soon, full nodes will drop off...
nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know.
thestringpuller: just like when diff goes too high miners drop off
nubbins`: no, when diff goes high miners upgrade
thestringpuller: not always!
nubbins`: children with mining hardware drop off
thestringpuller: they are the first but not the last
nubbins`: why in the fuck would someone turn off their node over a block size increase?
nubbins`: it doesn't make sensr
thestringpuller: because it consumes too many resources as is.
nubbins`: "my cpu, disk space, bandwidth are still orders of magnitude more than what this requires... better pull the plug over ideological reasons"
nubbins`: bullshit it does
Apocalyptic: for one it removes the upper linear bound on the storage space needed to store the whole chain
thestringpuller: my full node runs on a computer circa 2004, it barely can chug.
thestringpuller: lets take a look at top and see what bitcoind is consuming
thestringpuller: oh wow 2 gigs of memory
go1111111: so you're saying it's more like "I'm going to stop mining now because maybe in 10 years mining will be unprofitable, depending on the trajectory of computer resource costs"
go1111111: mining = running a full node, i mean
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, the blocksize limit also incudes a lot of economic consequences regarding transactions and fees
thestringpuller: go1111111: well. consider you are mining now at negative profit margins because diff is too high. You can upgrade and go further into the hole and hope to god you make your money back. Or you can cut your losses and move on with your life.
go1111111: smaller blocksizes tend to increase the fee required to get in a block. lower fees seem preferable. the only case i can see where you wouldn't want smaller fees is when network security was based heavily on fees, but that won't be the case for a while
thestringpuller: again if you want nice things you need to pay for them...
Apocalyptic: ^
thestringpuller: what is all this socialist shit..."free stuff I didn't work for"
nubbins`: "poor people should be able to run a node"
thestringpuller: I never said that!
nubbins`: nobody did :D
go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. that's what nubbins and I have been arguing. the extra "niceness" you want is a trivial savings in abundant computer resources
nubbins`: maybe you need a computer that was built after 2004 if you want to run a node
nubbins`: it's not a lot to ask
thestringpuller: It isn't. But when does it stop?
nubbins`: it doesn't
thestringpuller: Then we need computers build specifically for full nodes?
nubbins`: eventually
thestringpuller: Then only certain individuals can run full nodes?
nubbins`: already this is the case
thestringpuller: For mining perhaps (capital expenditure) but not for full nodes, which is a more frightening scenario...
nubbins`: yes, for full nodes. do you have any idea how many people in the world don't have a "spare computer"?
thestringpuller: as of now you can run a full node on a raspberry pi with a 30 USD external storage medium
nubbins`: and eventually you'll need a raspberry pi 2.0 with a 30 usd external storage medium that has 2x the capacity
thestringpuller: yes but if the block size increases too rapidly eventually only certain hardware can run it.
nubbins`: so?
thestringpuller: this forces centralization no?
nubbins` groans
thestringpuller: :D
go1111111: thestringpuller: not if that special hardware is always below a certain cost threshold
nubbins`: "centralization", what does it mean? can you quantify it?
nubbins`: "decentralization bad, centralization good"
nubbins`: "analog bad, digital good... or was it the other way.."
thestringpuller: centralization = "full nodes controlled by single entities"
nubbins`: there needs to be a minimum, yes? an abacus is infeasible?
thestringpuller: exactly.
nubbins`: so what's the minimum?
nubbins`: a piece of shit computer you can find in a junkyard?
thestringpuller: minimum in terms of nodes running is what I'm getting at.
nubbins`: yeah, let's put the brakes on everything so you can help "contribute"
nubbins`: is a 1ghz pentium too much of a burden?
thestringpuller: XD
nubbins`: you see what i'm saying? a couple years from now you'll buy an octo-core w/ 32gb ram for $500
nubbins`: running a full node on a fucking pentium 1ghz like an asshole
Naphex: well you can scale nodes anyway
nubbins`: maybe we should make it so a TI-83 can run a full node
nubbins`: ultimate decentralization, that must be automatically good, right?
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're perverting the argument
thestringpuller: "Seeing how the earlier discussion actually neglected to mention a perfectly valid alternative avenue to evaluate the idiocy of this proposal, consider that the main (really, in practical terms the only) vulnerability of Bitcoin at the moment is that while miners are rewarded for mining, relayers are not rewarded for relaying. This is a sore oversight on the part of Satoshi, privately admitted at that, and unfort
thestringpuller: USGavin's proposal consists of significantly increasing the burden on the full nodes, while doing nothing to address the actual problem threatening Bitcoin. This, of course, is not the direction a responsible head of a FOSS project steers things. It is however the exact direction a puppet of Microsoft tries to steer a standards discussion."
Naphex: whats with all this burden on full nodes
fluffypony: such burden
Naphex: 56 day running bitcoind/ Standalone / Max 500 connections
Naphex: RX: 56.5 GB TX 117.7
Naphex: load average: 0.30, 0.34, 0.33
thestringpuller: damn a gig a day?
nubbins`: thestringpuller: tyvm, first thought-out argument i've read yet
Naphex: running on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v2 @ 2.00GHz x2 / 32 Cores
thestringpuller: nubbins`: that's mircea_popescu via qntra
BingoBoingo: nubbins` A while, but on low power hardware
thestringpuller: nubbins`:
assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork
Naphex: i use this as a "supernode" to p2p connect to the network, and use local nodes to scale
Naphex: the localnodes, hardly ever pop 0.03 on avg
Naphex: since the supernode will filter most of the junk
nubbins`: why is the header of the website as ugly as possible?
thestringpuller: Naphex: interesting. do local nodes store the blockchain or access it via network?
nubbins`: srsly, bright blue text on grey bg
Naphex: thestringpuller: they store it
nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style
Naphex: they just don't p2p connect to the network and only connect to a master node
Naphex: for updates
thestringpuller: ah.
thestringpuller: so you point them directly to the supernode regardless of location?
Naphex: yes
thestringpuller: interesting model
Naphex: thestringpuller: there is a lot of wasted CPU Time
Naphex: on nodes processing junk
Naphex: double spends, dust, etc
thestringpuller: same here
mircea_popescu: mthreat mmm where is it ?
Naphex: the supernode fillters all that out, and sends clean to slaves
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> he's just playing it up for the crowd. << that, pretty much. like any pundit/hired "tech support", he's got his talking points and he's going to talk the points.
mircea_popescu: "please reboot your computer".
Naphex: thestringpuller: load avg on the slavenode would drop around 10x, so thats a lot
mircea_popescu: <go1111111> thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule << increasing the block size is NOT a gain. it's a loss.
mthreat: Le Blé, at French 2999
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is here to protect against inflation.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: blocksize is a scarce resource. increasing it is not helping, it's hindering.
mircea_popescu: and engineering is NOT "about tradeoffs". politics is about tradeoff, and gavin has zero mandate or political authority
mircea_popescu: engineering is about doing things, and gavin has a vanishingly small ability in that field, also.
mircea_popescu: so : a poor engineer with political delusions.
mircea_popescu: mthreat what time is this ?
mthreat: 4-7pm
mthreat: i can't go myself.. but michelle's there and some others
mircea_popescu: yeah, im not making it that early. wouldnt mind asking the guy a few q's but whatevs.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> blocksize is a scarce resource. // and it should remain so, precisely
nubbins`: A new Inital maximum block size such that a full node may be run by "somebody with a current, reasonably fast computer and Internet connection, running an up-to-date version of Bitcoin Core and willing to dedicate half their CPU power and bandwidth to Bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. <<< and who told you this ?
nubbins`: that *is* a bit of a burden for no reward aside from a fuzzy feeling, hey?
Naphex: nubbins`: storage is not that much of a problem as CPU Time
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nubbins` no dude, because gonobody and usgavin have made decisions and tradeoffs dontchaknow.
BingoBoingo: !up go1111111
Naphex: lots of CPUTime on bitcoind might force for standalone bitcoind servers
nubbins`: half yr bandwidth too!
Naphex: i only care about CPUTime, everything else is really distant
mircea_popescu: also, nobody is acutally running "bitcoin core"
mircea_popescu: after the "let's fork bitcoin for fun" and the "let's put heardbleed in your software" disasters, you'd have to be insane to run anything coming from vessenes' merry band of scammers.
nubbins`: what're the big pools running anyway, i wonder
mircea_popescu: "up to date" indeed.
BingoBoingo: !up mechtronic2001
mircea_popescu: go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about << you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: so yeah, i haven't found anything even close to stable as bitcoind :)
mircea_popescu: jesus the gall of these people.
go1111111: mircea_popescu: I don't see the usefulness if high fees, except as a means to secure the network. but fees will be a small portion of the reward to miners for a while. low fees enable transactions to occur that would otherwise be too costly, eliminating deadweight loss
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Older patched Bitcoind?
mircea_popescu: i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.
mircea_popescu: who told you your brain may arbiter in this matter ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00074773 = 12.1506 BTC [+]
mechtronic2001: Would this be a proper channel to post my btcjam funding page. It would be an investment, but I don't want to step on toes here.
mircea_popescu: mechtronic2001 it'd be a pretty horrible place seeing how btcjam isn't too well regarded.
mircea_popescu: !s btcjam
assbot: 80 results for 'btcjam' :
mircea_popescu: you're better served by going through the logs as relevant to your interest.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see. << another contender for the b-a tagline :)
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 14:33:56; nubbins`: his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus:
mircea_popescu: mike_c no but really, "i don't see". let's all go to the hospital and start derping, "i don't see why i'd have to take my clothes off"
mircea_popescu: because that's how everything works in this world, it's reddit out here.
go1111111: if there are good arguments for high fees i'm curious to be linked to them or hear them. possibly my preference for low fees is as dumb as you're claiming, but it'd be interesting to know why you think that
mike_c: yes, this is not kindergarten. unfortunately there still is no good bitcoin kindergarten.
mircea_popescu: einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on.
Apocalyptic: go1111111, dude it's not just about the fees
mircea_popescu: go1111111 the arguments for a limited b lock size are the same as the arguments for a limited currency base.
Apocalyptic: the blocksize limit is essentially tied to what bitcoin is, even if you can't see it
mircea_popescu: amusinglky enough, the arguments against either are also the same.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here
mircea_popescu: to "something else" that's not really in any sense something else at all.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place // that's a recurring thought I have these days
mircea_popescu: gavin wants to have a cryptousd he's welcome to make yet another shitcoin.
mircea_popescu: he's not welcome to try and hijack a project he has essentialy nothing to do with into that swamp however.
Apocalyptic: well they have ethereum for that
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah but the problem with this crapolade is that it constantly needs to leech off hard currency to survive.
BingoBoingo: The correct solution to limited blocksize is occasionally buying trashcans full of your local scrip as necessary
mircea_popescu: ethereum is good for a few weeks, then need something else, same pretense.
Apocalyptic: mircea, may well be... that's why the ultimate solution is: don't let them get their hands on it
asciilifeform: !s good cakes
assbot: 5 results for 'good cakes' :
asciilifeform: aha
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mircea_popescu: for all i care, everyone's welcome to try any theory they wish and then starve on it. what's however not acceptable, not now, not ever, is fraud. passing scamcoins for actualcoins and trying to pretend like shitpie is "just as good as pie".
mircea_popescu: go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome << this is wrong on each and every level.
mircea_popescu: level 1 : "many people" is not an argument, because a bunch of redditards are not actually different people. the headcount of all reddit is like, 5 people. that's not many and barely people.
asciilifeform: can it also replace photo lens cleaner? cause i'm running a bit low.
asciilifeform: how about garden mulch ?
mircea_popescu: discussions about reefed out derps about "global financial infrastructure" are nil and void. you don't even know what it is in th efirst place.
go1111111: the bad consequences of not having a limited currency base are clear (inflation). a larger block size won't lead to currency inflation, but blockchain inflation and some higher bandwidth requirements. That seems to have very different consequences.
mircea_popescu: level 3 : it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: level 4 : gold in no way enters into any of it.
mircea_popescu: go1111111 you think they're clear, because you understand very little of it.
mircea_popescu: examine what you think is "clear" to get a grip of how little you in fact understand. wtf is "inflation" ? why's it bad ?
mircea_popescu: inflation is great! more people get more money! what now ?
asciilifeform: when folks say 'we want it like gold' - do they mean 'confiscatable', 'bulky', and 'largely traded as sham paper' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, when people reference gold in relation to bitcoin it's simply a token to represent how they do not wish to engage into a discussion but would rather derp about some conveniently pre-prepared strawmen.
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
Naphex: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
Naphex: mircea_popescu: i'm not arbitering shit
Naphex: i run nodes
go1111111: inflation is 'bad' if the thing that is inflating is something you're holding as a long term store of value. higher supply --> lower price per unit. "inflation" is used two ways: increasing the supply of the currency, and increasing price levels. i'm referring to the former
mircea_popescu: Naphex huh ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: and most full nodes out right now except core are all shit
ben_vulpes: Naphex: have you tried btcd?
mircea_popescu: go1111111 yes, you say "is used" meaning "is used to denote". but the two different things it's used to denote aren't unrelated. they're just facets of the same phenomeno.
ben_vulpes: not implying they're not shit, but curious to know your opinion.
mircea_popescu: another facet is the havok inflation wreaks upon capital allocation and generally marketplace decisions.
mircea_popescu: Naphex functionality and security are widely disjunct topics.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: i agree, but security you can improve. but functionality will be harder
mircea_popescu: depends for whom :)
Naphex: aye :P
mircea_popescu: look, most everyone i know is using some more or less modded 0.5 0.6 some brave souls read through all .7
mircea_popescu: point is, nobody in his right mind would just go with the "up to date".
mircea_popescu: because the troop has proven, multiple times, that they're not to be trusted. plenty of those are simple incompetence, but at least three or so can be well argued as malice.
nubbins`: any public stats on version popularity?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a downloads count on github, for what that's worth.
Naphex: (in my defense, i am not running any live nodes with wallets attached)
nubbins`: not much
kakobrekla: nubbins`
assbot: 24-hour chart - Bitnodes
mircea_popescu: by its nature this isn't something you'd know.
kakobrekla: see user agent ofc.
mircea_popescu: which anyone can set to anything.
kakobrekla: and most nobody changes it.
mircea_popescu: unl;ess they wish to not be pestered about uptading it
mircea_popescu: they just update the ver.
nubbins` raises eyebrow
kakobrekla: nah
mircea_popescu: go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.
mircea_popescu: but the derpage about taking bitcoin with him is ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: let him do his whatever the hell it is and be happy, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.
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mircea_popescu: so one block will fit 100x as many tx, and each solved block will yield 50x less in subsidies. that's a 5k drop over 20 years. it's high enough to kill the price, and with it mining, and with all that bring bitcoin back within the financial ability of the us.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point of all this fucking derpage.
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mircea_popescu: boys'd really love to make that 0 an 1 already.
mircea_popescu: and no, im not gonna think about the spooks. i couldn't give less of a shit that some single mom's ugly children are starving because her no fee half bitcent bitbet bet didn't get into any of sixty consecutive blocks.
mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.
mircea_popescu: this specifically requires avoiding the tarpit of trying to be yet another macdonals, helping along with welfare distribution.
mircea_popescu: we're not here to be friends. we're here to fuck over the entire system, permanently.
Naphex: ben_vulpes: (>>> Naphex: have you tried btcd?) i have btcd running on a staging server. eats a bit more load but deffinetly not ready to run on production. I'm still grabbing metrics from it so time will tell
BingoBoingo: Boxes full of local cash. Only solution for using bitcoin in day to day transactions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but see, the question is : govt doesn't want to be a wholly owned subsidiary of bitcoin, and used as such, with its scrip a sort of ltc.
mircea_popescu: govt wants it the other way around, so why won't we be nice people and just make bitcoin a sort of replacement for sms payments already.
BingoBoingo: Maybe one month you only need a shoebox of Benjamins. Maybe another month you need a pallet of Woodrow Wilsons
mircea_popescu: they got the "global financial blabla" quite well pegged, they figure, why won't we just eat some crums ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it? << here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing after optic fiber.
BingoBoingo: Well the thing is we already have both things. Bitcoin for global finance and Altcoin for embarassing Gavincoin
mircea_popescu: sure, for as long as you're rubbing sticks together, things can increase massively. once you start running up against the limits of the universe however, that's that.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup
mircea_popescu: in short : just because your tits grew up 100% a week for half a year starting on your eleventh birthday doesn't mean jack. for one thing, the first cubic centimetre happened then.
mircea_popescu: imagining you'll keep doubling bra cup into your 30s is a little out there
mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.
mircea_popescu: too much taking over of the "global financial blabla"
thestringpuller: take everything back to zero
thestringpuller: then we can go back to one.
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BingoBoingo: !up xiando
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know. ^ above should give you a good start.
asciilifeform: in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << copper phone net torn down. and where not torn down, scavengers are working. so no, not fiber, it'll be either nothing or dog-slow radio a la africa.
asciilifeform: ebolaphone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satellite dial-up
jurov: unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires
asciilifeform: '3g' gprs stack is actually very similar to classical dialup internally.
mircea_popescu: it is yes
mircea_popescu: jurov sure they are.
asciilifeform: jurov: tell that to american scavengers. they've even pulled up fiber! purely through a combo of retardation and 'shoot first, questions second'
mircea_popescu: ^
jurov: in that case, AC wires/transformers will get missing first. bigger problem than just some phones
bounce: currently on 80/8 cable. and fibre has quite a bit of headroom yet. though for for low-latency things they're back to LoS-microwave links.
BingoBoingo: jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires << In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages
mircea_popescu: what's gprs anyway, like 50kb/s and 1 second latencies ?
jurov: HVAC === phone wires ????
bounce: could perhaps imagine the typical post-apocalyptic american human wilderness with the addition of heavily guarded microwave towers for the happy few
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's copper and it already needs secured that way. Live electric wires also... disappear.
jurov: 64kbps, latency depends
asciilifeform: copper pipes routinely vanish from houses left unattended for some days, in a number of u.s. locales
asciilifeform: just as herr orlov predicted based on experience elsewhere
mircea_popescu: bounce fibre possibly has a lot of headroom yet. but so did cable, originally. point is there's not going to be a qualitative jump like going from copper to glass.
jurov: you completely missed my point, as susual. it's difference between 1mm and 0.1mm wires
asciilifeform: there's, hypothetically, 'more glass'
jurov: the latter you can't simply burn off of the plasitc
jurov: they tend to burn, too
bounce: not that we know of, anyway.
mircea_popescu: bounce but see, in 1960 we did know about optic fibre.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> they tend to burn, too << Not if you make a smarter fire.
mircea_popescu: jurov that is a good point
mircea_popescu: but they'll steal the main trunks, not the last miles.
jurov: these dudes who tear fibers dont know about smart fires :)
mircea_popescu: and main trunk is two inch thich copper.
jurov: main trunka aren't copper since 20 yrs ago
jurov: *trunks
BingoBoingo: Well... in the future it won't always be the dumb ones stealing
mircea_popescu: that'd depend lots.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ? <<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days
mircea_popescu: cazalla so are you back in the seat now ?
cazalla: yup
BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier
jurov: anyway. in eastern europe/russia, phones and electricity did mostly work. heating and plumbing went away first.
bounce: copper has come a long way since then too. but anyway, if the argument was that there's some cap on the achievable max bandwidth... probably. whether we'll hit it in our lifetime and/or the end of the current civilisation? no idea.
mircea_popescu: in roimania it was the railroad signals and then the phones. nobody stole plumbing.
mircea_popescu: heating uh... what, steal gas pipe ? never happened
asciilifeform: coal.
BingoBoingo: jurov: People here don't usually bother heat... They bother cooling though
bounce: modern gas pipes are all plastic anyhow
asciilifeform: primorye case, etc
mircea_popescu: bounce no, the point was that there's no good reason to believe doubling each year for 20 years is something to engineer against.
BingoBoingo: Also thing that goes missing occasionally.... Aluminum park benches and bleachers.
bounce: well, it'd exclude anyone who couldn't keep up
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: ClubOrlov: Book Excerpt: The wrong math
mircea_popescu: bounce not the point of excluding, the point is of engineering.
mircea_popescu: effects aren't the consideration here. the cause is the consideration.
bounce: what, it's not about the politics for once?
mircea_popescu: im not aware it was about the politics, other than to reject unwarranted politics ploys.
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mircea_popescu: telling some derp derping about "what we should do" there's no we and nobody elected him is not politics, but the contrary thereof.
BingoBoingo: << Gentoo Bitcoin port apparently uses Luke-Jr patches by default
assbot: BitcoinStats
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anything good ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A bit of drama in the convo. Haven't finished it myself.
jurov: anyway. can anyone explain to me how am i a part of "a sum total of the global financial infrastructure"?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's been quite some years since one could safely rely on gentoo defaults.
bounce: a neat little cog waving his convenient plastic around?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: such burden << if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.
mircea_popescu: jurov mebbe you read an inclusive statement backwards ?
mircea_popescu: not all statements can be read backwards safely.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd assume Gentoo users are of that school, but I dunno that Gentoo is luser proof yet.
mircea_popescu: it can;t be heh, isn't gentoo the offical hipster distro atm ?
jurov: it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin << this meand you and who else then?
asciilifeform: wtf is a hipster distro
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the distro that makes you cool by using it.
asciilifeform: (gentoo out of the box, as found now, is atrocious. i'm having face rubbed in this as we speak.)
mircea_popescu: jurov vexual.
asciilifeform: but there is no replacement for it
BingoBoingo: jurov: You run the only financial brokerage of note
thickasthieves: me too, i'm collecting bitcoins from bad traders
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: short of 'roll own everything, have team of artisans on retainer, 1000 man hours to start'
bounce: perhaps interesting to see how people got started in the gene sequencing biz, and over a couple decades have seen sequencing speeds and capacity shoot up not quite to the moon, but close.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you're doing all this, make a loper's gentoo put wrapper on blog ?
bounce: worked well enough there. I'd agree that banking on a similar thing happening in last mile connectivity is maybe a little optimistic.
mircea_popescu: bounce again, this is a discussion of very prepubescent titgrowth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the struggle revolves around a particular set of hardware, won't be of much interest to other people
jurov: thanks BingoBoingo, but how comes I have to run derpy casino to make ends meet?
mircea_popescu: telephone infrastructure has been a thing for > a century.
thickasthieves: casino is derpy?
thickasthieves: you are also collecting bitcoins from bad traders
jurov: coinbr mostly dried up this year
asciilifeform: (anyone who uses gentoo, see recent logs for systemd exorcism notes)
mircea_popescu: bounce here's some saner math : first telegraphed message was in 1844. the bw today, 170 years later, is 10mn times wider. (ie, taking that 10mbps).
bounce: it never really had to perform outside voice band up until very recently, though
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10000000 ** (1/170)
gribble: 1.09945249861
mircea_popescu: 10% a year. how about that.
mircea_popescu: bounce telegraph, baby. no voice is being discussed.
jurov: thickasthieves not even a casino, dice game
mircea_popescu: it took 170 years to go from 1 baud to 10mn baud.
asciilifeform: who had 1 baud at home 170y ago ?
asciilifeform: morse?
mircea_popescu: everyone living next to morse lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you were to propose over the next 170 years it increases 10 million fold again, i would take 50-50 odds against.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.5 ** 170
gribble: 862013444619732718146971238400
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
thickasthieves: jurov, ok, maybe all mp meant by being the financial center is that HE is the center, and since we orbit around him, we aren't careening into the abyss
thickasthieves: amiright?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah
asciilifeform: want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks.
asciilifeform: (hey, you said - bandwidth. not latency.)
punkman: dronedisks
jurov: blockchain bombardment
asciilifeform: 'c' is ultimate limit for latency, anyway, sans martian physics
bounce: ;;calc 10000000 * (1.09945249861 ** 170)
gribble: 1.00000000024e+14
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks. << Stationwagon and tape may still be king
asciilifeform: wagon in catapult, sure.
mircea_popescu: bounce 100tb ? nuts, but perhaps THIS side of nuts.
bounce: in 170 years? doesn't sound unreasonable, provided we keep up the pace.
mircea_popescu: right.
bounce: but it doesn't sound useful. 8k HD cat videos is silly already now.
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY.
mircea_popescu: which is a major fucking point that got neglected so far. there's this seinfeld where george tries to sell computers
mircea_popescu: "hey, it's got porn"
mircea_popescu: by now the limit on porn is that nobody can be fucking bothered to make the sluts look good in 8k hd.
mircea_popescu: so what's going to push your dubling each year ? faeries ?
mircea_popescu: in 1990 i could see it, we wanted to see samantha fox naked in color, rather than black/white ascii art.
jurov: 3d rendered pr0n
bounce: well, there's the thing. the phone system didn't really improve substantially until someone found a reason to repurpose that last mile for DSL. even if that DSL now mostly carries crap better carried some other way, or not at all.
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, but see, just like light in glass is a limit of the universe, that's relevant,
mircea_popescu: "full image of the human person" is also a limit, in fact. quite biological.
mircea_popescu: there substantially isn't something as interesting to people.
bounce: uncompressed hi-res n-dim medical imaging is a good, morally upstanding way to stuff the pipe. even if it's a bit of a niche now.
mircea_popescu: now this is a very distant, removed argument. but that doesn't entirely destroy it. sure, it's useless in a 5 year discussion.,
jurov: i just referred to "to make sluts look good"
mircea_popescu: jurov :p
mircea_popescu: bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.
bounce: oh I haven't really kept up with that. maybe I should read up. but the point in the very general sense is that we don't know yet how we're going to waste tomorrow's bandwidth. you know, like youtube is quite a thing these days, but only can exist because availability of >>dialup bandwidths
mircea_popescu: last i heard youtube traffix was waning, but be that as it may,
bounce: so it's maybe a bit early to decide there won't be bandwidth because there won't be drive. may be. maybe not. it's not a given either way.
mircea_popescu: "bandwidth will double each year for 20 years because it has in a very rare circumstance the past 10" is not unlike the way people try to sell "global warming"
mircea_popescu: it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,
mircea_popescu: but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.
bounce: could be, but it boomed for a goodly bit, because it could. netflix took over torrent in biggest traffic (oh woe is the mafiaa and their pr-war), and so on.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That -dev conversation has some interesting derping lower down with luke and Gavin agreeing
jurov: i see some conflation of technical and economical arguments
mircea_popescu: bounce sure. but by now it takes two minutes to dld a film and 120 to watch it
mircea_popescu: what is going to HALF it to a minute ? by next year ?
jurov: we want for bitcoin to have limited supply, not just amount but also blockchain space
bounce doesn't see that happen in a bit. just like the peecee business is in a bit of a slump, because, well, there's only so much cpu power reasonably wastable on eyecandy.
mircea_popescu: jurov not quite. i dun want jack shit. but when presented with an argument to
mircea_popescu: ACT, i wil consider it.
mircea_popescu: and this one fails on a number of grounds
mircea_popescu: so... it's not happening.
bounce: though as time went on I find myself watching less and less video. curious how that works, or doesn't.
mircea_popescu: cuz who the fuck has the time for video.
fluffypony: I uh
fluffypony: uh
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fluffypony: I have no words
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: it's beautiful
bounce recalls someone complaining about kids wasting massive amounts of bandwidth on youtube music videos just for the audio; the browser window with the player is kept in the background
BingoBoingo: skinnkavaj agrees with Gavin on scalability, that dooms it.
mircea_popescu: is that the guy that was arguing with assbot ?
mircea_popescu: what, he's a core ranger now too ?
bounce: this is a weird way to follow an argument. is there a log of -dev somewhere?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One of them. I dunno if he is a ranger, but he lurks a lot of places and interupts
BingoBoingo: bounce:
jurov: bounce
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mircea_popescu: and for the kids following at home : << this is samantha fox. for a year or two she was probably the most jacked off to woman in teh world.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing. << The people who hop on -dev so srs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo jesus i pity the sane people there.
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mircea_popescu: Azelphur going to be a game dev ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: no, and if I was I think I'd rather shoot myself than work for EA :P
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mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate!
mircea_popescu: wow shit there's an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs ?!
mike_c: GET /gow//.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\etc/passwd << does this shit actually still work on anyone?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: and i mean, so he gets passwd. so ?
mircea_popescu: what is he going to do with it ?
mike_c: who knows. but A for effort, 3000 requests in a minute.
mircea_popescu: more in the same style.
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mike_c: really? i thought we were going back to moon now.
asciilifeform: an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs >> neal stephenson's 'slines'
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I thought we never really hit the moon yet, just low earth orbit.
mike_c: last i heard we had hit moon and were aiming for mars. but i don't keep track.
mircea_popescu: wasn't it the dog that went to moon ?
kakobrekla: anything but earth please.
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BingoBoingo: Nah.
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BingoBoingo: I imagine within the decade Mexico will be more concerned about illegals coming from the US than the other way.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud depends how bad it gets.
BingoBoingo: I have a gut feeling that the big reason more US'ians don't follow through with their going to Canada threats is that Canada is too close to what they are leaving. That and Canada doesn't really want them.
mircea_popescu: from the looks of it they've got maybe even odds to lose control and end up with an epidemic
mircea_popescu: if the mortality is 20% from the disease and another 10% from the resulting stampede that's about 100mn deaths in the us by 2016.
ben_vulpes: do i hafta stop licking eyeballs?
asciilifeform: and the flights carry on.
asciilifeform: ebama, obola.
asciilifeform: official excuse is, get this, 'you can't get infected on the plane, we check for fever getting off'
asciilifeform: if chewbacca lives on endor you must acquit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is some merit to this. apparently it's not infectious presymptomatically.
asciilifeform: sure.
ben_vulpes: you better lose yourself in the pandemic \ you own it, you better never let it go \ you only get one shot do not miss your chance to blow
mircea_popescu: n ow on the other hand, who gives a shit about west africa flights...
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: ebama does.
mircea_popescu: i don't get this. you telling me it's specifically because obama is a kenyan citizen ?
asciilifeform: gotta bring in more, you see, texas seed might die out.
mircea_popescu: kenya is not even on the list ?
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
asciilifeform: nah, it's because this is a golden chance for usg.
asciilifeform: or at least, someone seems to think so
mircea_popescu: to... what ?
bounce: that whole patenting thing?
asciilifeform: to remain relevant a little longer.
chetty: but seriously when exactly do you cross the line to being infections? the exact second you show a fever? the first time you cough? of just maybe its actually 5 minutes before ...
asciilifeform: and to desaparecer certain inconveniences in the chaos.
mircea_popescu: get out, no govenrment in history survived a large pandemic
mircea_popescu: nor could it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00074435 = 14.7381 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: chetty apparently it's well after fever.
asciilifeform: chetty: when exactly do you cross the line << from a sane (e.g. soviet) epidemiologist's point of view - when you set foot in a 'hot zone' - you're infectious until proven innocent.
mircea_popescu: there's good biological reason for this
penguirker: New blog post:
penguirker: New blog post:
chetty: me dont believe thay actually know for sure
BingoBoingo: chetty: No one knows where the line is, may vary in different situations
mircea_popescu: chetty this is roughly like the "can't get aids from mosquitoes/bugs
mircea_popescu: generally, broadly speaking you don't.
mircea_popescu: then again...
ben_vulpes: ottomans survived regular decimations in constantinople, according to "The Sultans"
chetty: asciilifeform, I like that definition
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which specifically ?
dub: is there acutally more cases of obola or are yall watching fox again
ben_vulpes: which ottomans?
mircea_popescu: dub the sherrif apparently is suspcious
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which epidemic
ben_vulpes: "plague"
mircea_popescu: WHICH lol
asciilifeform: dub: they're ddosing the public with 'yet another 134 false alarms in city X!'
ben_vulpes: it was a passing note, take it up with Barber!
mircea_popescu: like, what year.
chetty: dub, they took another one into isolation to 'test'
ben_vulpes: dunno boss.
asciilifeform: dub: when folks start to burst in shopping malls into bloody mess, they won't be able to keep a lid on it. and they know it. so what can they do? cultivate an atmosphere of bullshit, so the news will be met with maximal skepticism.
mircea_popescu: like the 1812/13 ? or prior ?
asciilifeform: these folks are pro at exactly one thing: keeping the cattle from stampede.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The scariest zombies are always the kind that die. I've never much feared undeath.
chetty: I don't think they even need actual disease now, the fear may be enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't credit them with that.
mircea_popescu: it's the cattle.
chetty: on the not shutting down flights, whats wrong with those pilots and aircrews, they can and should shut it down
asciilifeform: chetty: they want to eat.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most cattle here lack the cardiovascular endurance to really... Stampede... McDonalds et al
mircea_popescu: ;;google Cocoliztli
gribble: Megadrought and Megadeath in 16th Century Mexico: <>; Cocoliztli - Evidence Detail :: US History: <>; Cocoliztli or Cocolitzli? - Indigenous Hemorrhagic Fever and The ...: <>
mircea_popescu: teh mexicans had an ebola-ish thing at some point.
chetty: <asciilifeform> chetty: they want to eat.// helps to be alive to do that
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hanta, still endemic to the America southwest. Goes through dormant, emergent cycles
chetty: BingoBoingo, thats a point, with all the drought that should have broken out, haven't seen anything about it
mircea_popescu: !up Quinn_
BingoBoingo: Basically North America can not have an edible mouse like Slovenia can.
mircea_popescu: they eat the squirels. same deal.
Quinn_: mircea, i was told you wanted to talk to me?
BingoBoingo: Hanta is apparently a creature of the desert.
mircea_popescu: this is possible. who are you ?
Quinn_: I created the bitcoin users in a nutshell cartoon.
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: dja wanna make some bitcoin-assets cartoons ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: prior, iirc. the context of the remark was that the sultan (subject of the chapter) began to address the plagues that had routinely decimated the capital with european medical techniques. this was, iirc, one of the last three to rule before the sultanate was brought to an end by the young turks et al.
asciilifeform: chetty: in usa we fear unemployment literally more than bloody death of obola.
mircea_popescu: does your own statement resolve your objection ben_vulpes ? :)
Quinn_: Depends on the content, i have a site which is better to contact me through.!commissions/c171x
ben_vulpes: o ya :D
mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how does it depend on the content ?
ben_vulpes: though the causal relationship is a little murky to me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes merely correlation was proposed.
Quinn_: well I don't know what type of cartoons you want, so i can't tell you if i can agree to it or not.
mircea_popescu: but i'm preselected, i already seen the cartoon you made, so we're going with that type.
Quinn_: But do you have a script /idea?
bounce: ``The Mexican natives in the encomienda system were treated as virtual slaves, were poorly fed and clothed, and were greatly overworked as farm and mine laborers. This harsh treatment appears to have left them particularly vulnerable to epidemic disease.'' -- worked to death, illness finished it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7897 @ 0.00074732 = 5.9016 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Quinn_ no, not yet. but if you're amenable to work on one i think we can probably come up with something.
mircea_popescu: bounce i wouldn't credit post-libtard revolution descriptions of history.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, it all fits neatly, "prior to the soviet state and everywhere outside of it kids had it rough and didn't even get any icecream"
mircea_popescu: still...
bounce: that's, dunno about their political or historic revisionism inclinations
Quinn_: Contact me through my site and we can discuss this further! :)
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to.
mircea_popescu: that's the point, actually.
mircea_popescu: you can contact me through here and we can discuss it further.
Quinn_: I don't arrange commissioned work through irc chats, not very trustworthy.
mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how long does it take you to make one of these ? could you in principle bang out one a week if scripts were availabe ?
mircea_popescu: it'd work nicely as a weekly featured video for qntra
Quinn_: The amount of work and time dedicated all depends on price. e.g a $300 video that's 30 seconds long will take a week.
mircea_popescu: hm, irc chats are actually the pinnacle of trustworthy, you just don't know about how it all works yet.
mircea_popescu: so how long did this video in question take you ?
Quinn_: I did it in my spare time between commissions, since it wasn't a source of income so around 3 months
Quinn_: and I know nothing about you, a quick google search doesn't reveal anything either
mircea_popescu: ah so it's very work intensive huh.
Quinn_: other than one article citing you as a romanian billionaire which doesn't exactly sound in any way legit.
mircea_popescu: maybe your google isn't so good ?
mircea_popescu: for instance
assbot: Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on' The Register
mike_c: not entirely legit. should be "ex-pat romanian".
BingoBoingo: Quinn_: At the time he was provably a Billionaire. Now He's mysteriously maybe so. Bitcoin be volatile.
mircea_popescu: how does it not sound in any way legit ?!
BingoBoingo: He's at least a plural hundreds of Millionaire though, provably.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin created what, 50bn worth of value out of the ether. didja think it all went into the usg budget or something ?
Quinn_: Not to seem rude, but there;s hundreds or people who claim to be bitcoin millionaires on reddit and such.
mircea_popescu: well, sure.
mircea_popescu: nobody is claiming reddit is legit.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: this is an interesting point tho. i guess for the vast majority of the public, bitcoin is this "cool tech", nobody stops to think bitcoin is actually a bunch of saudi princes.
Quinn_: mircea didn't you create a porn site under a false name and stolen content?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: i was a producer for a bunch shots, but that was back in the 90s.
hanbot: mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ? asciilifeform: you of all people should know << ahahaha, this convo....
mircea_popescu: :D
Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!
mircea_popescu: cheers.
mircea_popescu: who the fucke is tapeke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << am i putting this in the next s.nsa report ?
mircea_popescu: "‎
mircea_popescu: Tapeke is the first personal finance application specifically designed for Bitcoin. We help Bitcoiners to keep track of their Bitcoin expenses and incomes and ..." << you couldn't possibly mean that ?!
Naphex: lol
thestringpuller: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! << blockchain is trustworthy nao?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the sad part here is that 15k youtube views took $300 * 3 * 4.2 = 3800 dollars' worth of this guy's time.
mircea_popescu: which is fucking scary.
mike_c: his time must be worth more given he just turned down a weekly video job.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i don't think he was proceeding very calculatedly tbh.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I dunno. It's all about the burn rate.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: you're all over my homepage (again)
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mircea_popescu: speaking of which, mike_c dja feel like doing some writing for qrta ?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Cool
mike_c: my once-a-month pace already strains my time for writing. i don't think i'm the right fit for a newsroom.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: kk
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 353.67, Best ask: 353.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 353.67, 24 hour volume: 27768.82024727, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 355.0, 24 hour vwap: 342.040137856
thickasthieves: chugging along
mike_c: there was this woman around looking for work who was a writer, but i think she disappeared.
mircea_popescu: work is apparently hard.
mike_c: ;;seen wyrdmantis
gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
mircea_popescu: so much shit on people's eyes getting in the way of their finding a loaf of bread
mircea_popescu: !up SweeteDad
kakobrekla: < PFT! >
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 03:44:52; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 22:01:06; Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!
mike_c: ;;gettrust tapeke
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user tapeke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you don't understand how the world works.
kakobrekla: bignum is mininum.
mircea_popescu: trust is a feeling! investing is a +ev activity for the amateur, just like people make a profit growing tomatoes on their windowsil. sticks and stones could break your bones but words is what really matters. etc.
xanthyos: my dad has lung cancer
xanthyos: beat pancreatic
xanthyos: got lung
xanthyos: 2 years
xanthyos: and i have been stuck in the chapel perilous in some schizoaffective bullshit for 8 days unable to leave the house or bed
xanthyos: so i think that deserves a negative assbot rating
xanthyos: i'm too crazy to live
xanthyos: farewell
BingoBoingo: xanthyos: Sucks.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos this too shall pass eh.
xanthyos: maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment
xanthyos: i'm better off dead
xanthyos: i might buy a bottle of vodka and walk into the woods
mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down ?
thickasthieves: nonsense
mircea_popescu: i never heard of any man's post pancreatic lung cancer giving their offspring braindamage
BingoBoingo: vodka and the woods sounds like a fun way to get a hangover.
kakobrekla: x<xanthyos> maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment < its good you figured this before buying a bottle of vodka and walking into the woods. just listen to us.
mircea_popescu: and that without even considering the part where you were born before he got it.
BingoBoingo: <xanthyos> i'm too crazy to live << No such thing.
xanthyos: i haven't had a girlfriend since 2004
mircea_popescu: how about steve irvin, BingoBoingo ? that dude was too crazy to live.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos why not ?
xanthyos: because i'm too afraid if i got a girlfriend i'd just end up BEATING her like the last one
xanthyos: how's that for honest?
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: so get one that likes it.
xanthyos: i dont' like to do it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he was too stupid and the stingray too wily
xanthyos: ti's not a sadomasochistic thing
mircea_popescu: well work with me here eh.
xanthyos: it's impulse control
bounce: get a gf that could hit you right back, and will if you mope
mike_c: so go see a shrink?
mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, eiother bounce or my solution works.
xanthyos: have one, but missed my most recent appointment due to anxiety
bounce: plenty help with all sorts of things. good of you to know where (some of) your weaknesses are. doing something about it is the next step.
mircea_popescu: it's not "impulse control", once she hands you your ass twice a week for a month
bounce: and of course, it's always darkest right before dawn.
thickasthieves: get someone to help you with motivating and taking care of yourself to do what you need to do
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather go to some full contact sport thing than a shrink if the problem is violence.
thickasthieves: maybe in addition to the shrink
thestringpuller: xanthyos: one of my closest friends has schizoaffective disorder. there was a point when he was having tons of episodes everyday that he couldn't really leave the house. But he's doing better now because better treatment is out. Just stick with it mang.
bounce: close in-person friends >> self-"medication"
xanthyos: the ocd and borderline personality disorder are the truly disabling things
xanthyos: i can deal with being schizo
mircea_popescu: wha do you do for a living anyway ?
xanthyos: those symptoms are mild
xanthyos: in 2001 i was diagnosed "gravely disabled" and have been receiving social security since
kakobrekla: being a test subject
mircea_popescu: o.O
xanthyos: i'm one of the entitled socialist dregs that bitcoin is going to weed out
mircea_popescu: lmao how do you make it in here without wanting to bash people's heads in ?
xanthyos: and i'm fine with it
mike_c: not if you buy bitcoin with your SS check
xanthyos: heh
hanbot: xanthyos << written for pretty much where you are.
assbot: This is it | The Whet
mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, you got schizopersonalify disorder and ocde/whatever too ?
hanbot: nope
mircea_popescu: btw, im kinda surprised none of the evil-overgovernment conspiracy theorists have identified the oecd as the mechanism.
mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious.
bounce: there's more ways and reasons to feel hopelessly inadequate and unfit for life
bounce: shit, every version of the DSM has MORE reasons
hanbot: i don't put too much stock in the whole dsm classification stuffs.
bounce: V got a little out of hand, making it less than useful
mircea_popescu: bounce or less than useless, as the case may be
xanthyos: i just don't want to spend hours a week comparing the lengths of my fingernails anymore.
xanthyos: it's not profitable
bounce: worse than. possibly quite a lot worse, depending on how much of a party the insurers are going to throw with it
mircea_popescu: xanthyos so do something useful then.
bounce: so get out and do something. maybe some moderately physically demanding job
mircea_popescu: why moderately ?
bounce: gotta start somewhere.
mircea_popescu: lol you mean, first time, single nail ?
thickasthieves: i think i mentioned pot before, but it doesnt suit you
bounce: more like something that'll get you nice and tired for a good night's sleep but not something that's so demanding it's easy to give up on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00074747 = 10.3151 BTC [+] {2}
thickasthieves: a fam member uses it for his psych issues, along with some meds
mircea_popescu: hanbot great post btw.
thickasthieves: he's obsessed with making a home recording studio currently
hanbot: ty kindly mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i knew a guy who basically had a soundstage, because he wanted to record all his fucking sessions, which he then catalogued and manically preserved for old age.
mircea_popescu: died before being 40.
thickasthieves: it's an endless hobby to obsess on
thickasthieves: b
thickasthieves: very antisocial too
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bounce: the socials become rockstars and die at 27 from an overdosis
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mircea_popescu: check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on < 600
bounce: hanbot: s/treacle/trickle/ ?
hanbot: bounce treacle, sugar refining byproduct. a brownish, sickly-sweet gunk. perhaps a little awkward in there ::shrugs::
mircea_popescu: o.O
bounce: alright, if that's how you wanted it.
danielpbarron: ;;rate xanthyos 4 face-to-face associate; 10+ year relationship;
assbot: Tweets met antwoorden van xanthyos (@xanthyos) | Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user xanthyos has changed from -3 to 4.
bounce: cute toys:
assbot: Dolphin Express IX products - Low latency
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know that feed is protected
danielpbarron: ya, so?
bounce: protection against the uncool people
BingoBoingo: The US really should start selling ketamine like aspirin
danielpbarron: i think you need to be in his L1 to get access :p
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324464 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 111 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35121138498.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.32629
asciilifeform: bounce: Dolphin Express << very neat. but golden toilet.
bounce: oh?
asciilifeform: 'if you have to ask price, you can't afford this'
bounce: there's that. sort-of implied by the high finance and military as proposed applications.
asciilifeform: bounce: if you want this (as i do) built it by hand, with fpga-to-pcie board.
asciilifeform: that's all it is, anyway
asciilifeform: they're dressing this as 'enterprise' turdware, yes.
bounce doesn't begin to have the soldering skills for that. or the rest of the ee skills. will have to work on that.
asciilifeform: no need to solder, surplus fpga demo board off 'ebay'.
asciilifeform: physically-identical to this unit, quite possibly.
bounce: O_O
asciilifeform: it's just some glue logic between pcie and external cabling.
asciilifeform: with possibly a little dma magic on transmitting and receiving ends.
asciilifeform: people who are not satisfied with '1024 chickens' often buy something like this.
asciilifeform: you still get same chickens (pc cpus) but now in a shared-memory harness.
bounce: they can charge quite a lot before it becomes more economical to buy non-chicken cpus
asciilifeform: non-chicken << you can't buy them.
asciilifeform: they don't exist. no one has made any such thing for 20+ years.
bounce: you don't like sparc and ppc either then?
asciilifeform: bounce: read why s. cray uttered the 'chickens' phrase.
asciilifeform: some jobs simply do not parallelize.
asciilifeform: as in, mathematically.
asciilifeform: the engineers' answer seems to have been, 'well don't do those jobs'
bounce: true enough. and so the best you can have there today AIUI is a 5+ GHz IBM thing in a massively overpriced package
asciilifeform: just as when musical notes appeared, music that was difficult to write down with notes - perhaps, disappeared.
asciilifeform: big fat fucking deal, 5.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << Single network interface with packet filter
asciilifeform: 2x speedup, 200x price markup.
bounce: that gives a lot of headroom for fancy interconnects, no? :-p
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: given that tcp/ip lets you fuck with ordering, that trivially parallelizes. at least, as fast as you can physically clock the bits off the wire to individual comparison registers, and then back on
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'narus corp.' (il. they supply a good chunk of nsa's hardware infrastructure) sells these.
asciilifeform: if you need one - straight to them. take a few $m.
asciilifeform: back to subject:
asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to convert it to parallelizable number crunching - plenty of people are ready to help.
asciilifeform: you'll end up with a small underground city full of intel, amd, whatever boxen.
asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to grind a non-parallelizable problem - god help you.
asciilifeform: it won't even suffice to build new fabs
asciilifeform: you'll need to find new chemists. that are (if you're lucky) in their cradles right now.
asciilifeform: and wait a few decades.
asciilifeform: and then - maybe you have something.
bounce: what's the fastest the labs (not fabs) can do now? 60GHz or so with graphene 'tors?
asciilifeform: 60GHz of what?
asciilifeform: of 'not' gate?
asciilifeform: fat lot of good that'll do you.
asciilifeform: these are sold for rf applications.
asciilifeform: and once you connect two or more - here's your propagation delay.
asciilifeform: welcome to 1975.
pete_dushenski_: damn, mircea_popescu is on a roll today.
pete_dushenski_: this block size talk really lit the fire!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here << they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb. << whoa.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it. << so *that's* why we're here!
pete_dushenski has purpose now.
bounce: only now?
pete_dushenski: wait, no, not purpose, causes!
pete_dushenski: i should really start reading contravex
bounce thinks of a 'pinky' joke, but fails... like every night.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay. << such forecasting these guys.
bounce: don't be silly. how did you think ma bell got to be big? it wasn't from lack of traffic!
pete_dushenski: which brings up gavin's latest, yes, make that his THIRD comment on contravex today:
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: gavin must drive a lexus because he's definitely in the pursuit of perfection.
pete_dushenski: bounce ma bell?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously
bounce: ring ring. those guys.
pete_dushenski: "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL." << love this line by gavin.
pete_dushenski: "uhh let me make up numbers and not even mask the fact that they're made up because i'm typing in my retardedness."
pete_dushenski: chief scientist should be spending his time figuring out a plaintext emoticon for "drool"
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pete_dushenski: !b 3
bounce: those numbers are not that important. he could be off by a factor of ten and nobody'd notice. the "paying attention to the needs of EVERYBODY" is killer, though. in light of his committing those same EVERYBODY on upgrading their connectivity every year.
Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously // this is indeed a worthy issue to address
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I mean right now it would be feasible to put a Bitcoin node pretty much anywhere with a wired internet connection other than Nepal or the Desert, yet... this constant bandwidth grow really only happen consistently in data centers.
thestringpuller: actually you could probably get away with 56k satellite phone connection in nepal
mircea_popescu: dude i go make some porn websites with stolen false names for five minutes and when i return the log scrolled off my desk
BingoBoingo: << New Yorkers forced to confront real America.
assbot: My Failed Attempt to Suck the Walmart-Flavored Blood of Real America
thestringpuller: if you had the block chain already downloaded
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What took me so long was building a full txindex.
thestringpuller: the reindexing is killer
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, pretty much, I wasn't being sarcastic
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I know.
BingoBoingo: It's the derps who see adds about hosting prices falling or staying constant and the connections offered increasing... Don't realize how infrequently... people who keep their own machines upgrade their connections... Unless they are running a data center.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << i have trouble coming to terms with this concept. wtf do you mean ? they'd better parallelize or else can't work on a turing machine
asciilifeform: ;;google perfectly sequential problem
gribble: P-complete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Stackelberg competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Sequential Equilibrium and Perfect Equilibrium ... - Cornell University: <>
asciilifeform: trivial example: sha(sha(sha..............
asciilifeform: (notice i didn't say 'mining btc')
mircea_popescu: sha(sha still paralelizes to some degree. it gotta
mircea_popescu: rainbow tables. something.
asciilifeform: not everything 'gotta'..
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i see what you mean
assbot: multithreading - What's the opposite of "embarrassingly parallel"? - Stack Overflow
assbot: justusranvier comments on Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability
BingoBoingo: << Mega lulz, fantasy Venture capitalism
assbot: Valleyball - a fantasy VC league
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny. <<< or, moreover, aren't even bitcoin in any sense. notice the earlier guy with his strange "irc is insecure" notions. he probably thinks he's involved. his choices and mental processes however do not reflect that.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> wait, no, not purpose, causes! << lol selfpwnt
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.82, Best ask: 356.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.98, 24 hour volume: 28804.88232732, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 357.98, 24 hour vwap: 342.641644065
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: better me than you!
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35106354396.7 based on data since last change | 35353044324.1 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: meh
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: so much for that diff spike eh?
thickasthieves: i always assume the spikes are a new batch of miners testing then shipping
thickasthieves: cuz i am human and must invent gods
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL << honestly, at this point i'd want everyone to give a good look to libsecp256k1
mircea_popescu: really curious what turdage lurks therein
thestringpuller: can reddit really get more dumb?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm. maybe gavin is trying to tip us off below the radar of his handlers?
pete_dushenski: maybe he has a soul!!11
thestringpuller: "Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park." << like really
thestringpuller: "Brother Taaki" ~_~
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but the performance issue triggers my everpresend paranoid suspicion
mircea_popescu: justusranvier that's a rather intelligent point.
mircea_popescu: probably wasted in the venue, but i do kinda see you as this barefoot preacher to the huns.
mats_cd03: he has his cult and we have ours
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 no. they have their cults and we have a culture.
mircea_popescu: the difference is staggering.
mircea_popescu: course... we don't dance nearly as well.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Which point?
mircea_popescu: "BRANSON, MO—Among the things that I dislike most in this world are patriotism, religion, tourist traps, country music, and the Walmart corporation. So I traveled to the one area of this nation that captures them all. It did not go as planned."
mircea_popescu: uh that's a weird trail mix..
mircea_popescu: justusranvier
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 23:36:46; thestringpuller:
BingoBoingo: You know at this point the shit Gavin proposes on the roadmap has to suggest a three letter agency gave him an explosive buttplug.
thestringpuller: That reminds me of Man on Fire.
justusranvier: Oh, that one. Sorry, having less-than-optimal connectivity to my bouncer right now
BingoBoingo: Good movie, Denzel at his best.
thestringpuller: Where Denzel puts a C4 block in the rectum of a police chief
mircea_popescu: ss your heart" Southern affectation of intense, polite agreement with everything that makes a mockery of any attempt at challenging conversation. Even when Bucky started ranting about various street artists and why they are or are not sellouts, Berry would strenuously agree, despite the fact that—and I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here—the street art scene in Branson is rather limited. Banksy's new piece? "
mircea_popescu: Uh HUH!" Dan Witz's mosh pit paintings? "AbsoLUTEly!" This is actually a clever form of communications ju-jitsu, because, over time, you start adopting the same affectation just to fit in, until one day you hear yourself saying "That ghost tour was AMAZING!" and you wonder if you have lost your identity somewhere along Highway 86.
mircea_popescu: dude, that article's something else. buncha tiresome hippies rolling their eyes at b uncha tiresome fargo inhabitants.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do the gawker idjits figure they're any better than the ozarks idiots just through being a different color...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Best part. The authors and subjects... all white as gypsum
justusranvier: This was a more important thread:
assbot: justusranvier comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i didn't mean that color. i just meant, red prius roling headlights at white prius for being such a mainstream pos car.
BingoBoingo: Ah
justusranvier: go a few parents up to finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarting po
justusranvier: stupid flakey wifi...
mircea_popescu: lmao your wifi did that ?!
BingoBoingo: Even thermos doubts Gavin
assbot: theymos comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation
pete_dushenski: my third response to gavin for the day:
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: anyway, i know what you're saying, it's sensible, but also a very hard problem.
pete_dushenski: and i'm off to have two lovely romanians make me a home-cooked meal!
justusranvier: I have a... nonstandard irc client configuration
justusranvier: I have a vm running Xorg on a VPS, and I connect this desktop remotely using Spice protocol
justusranvier: Spice doesn't handle dropped packets very well...
mircea_popescu: justusranvier so then what happens actually is that if you press a key it sends a packet over and if you depress it similarly
mircea_popescu: and so if it misses a packet in there you just keep on typing n ?
justusranvier: apparently so
mircea_popescu: this boggles the mind
mircea_popescu: it may be the worst design i ever heard of
bounce: "house of cards" is still industry best practice. carry on.
justusranvier: On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop
assbot: Sayreville football parent reveals sexual nature of alleged locker room hazing ritual (Exclusive) |
thestringpuller: ;;google web of trust database
gribble: Check links against the Web of Trust database - Meta Stack Exchange: <>; WOT Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; "World's Largest Public Hacker Database" | Forum | WOT (Web of Trust): < (1 more message)
thestringpuller: !s web of trust database
assbot: 3 results for 'web of trust database' :
thestringpuller: nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on ?
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: i keep getting permission denied... :(
thestringpuller: nvm. stupid me
penguirker: New blog post:
BingoBoingo: Just talked to the lawyer. As long as I stay patient I jsut might win this case through attrition, the DA... just... can't... retain... licensed... lawyers
thestringpuller: wait what?
thestringpuller: you're on trial?
asciilifeform: !up ninjashogun lol
ninjashogun: hi, asciilifeform
ninjashogun: bored?
thestringpuller: i am
mats_cd03: your business proposals suck
thestringpuller: but are amusing
mats_cd03: i want you to know that ninjashogun
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, other people have been fine with them. It's better to have proposals and not want them than not to have them, for most people in a position to seriously consider them. (called 'dealflow').
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Still the misdemeanor
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: i'm thestringpuller
thestringpuller: no The20YearIRCloud
thestringpuller: not*
thestringpuller: lol
BingoBoingo: * thestringpuller, yeah autocomplete
thestringpuller: :D
ninjashogun: what's new, asciilifeform? what's been keeping you busy?
BingoBoingo: Long day full of turning wood into mulch
mats_cd03: you have no skills, nothing to offer besides talk without substance
mats_cd03: you should instead turn your attention to leeching from the government as others like you
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: actually he does have one thing to offer - the truth about why he came here. but i don't expect to hear it.
mats_cd03: you'll have a better return on investment than derping here, i promise
TheNewDeal: TomServo what was the site with the charts such as btc/gold btc/wti ?
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, (and others) I found this article interesting and very relevant to the culture you're buliding here. discussed here:
assbot: Trouble at the Koolaid Point | Hacker News
mats_cd03: i have belonged to 2 cults prior to this one
mats_cd03: i left my faith behind at age 11 and enlisted at 18
kakobrekla: this is a cult?!
mats_cd03: so forgive me if i think youre trite
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, it's hrad to see what you get out of making statements like this but you expressed to me privately that you were dissatisfied with your work and had to jump through mental hoops to justify how important it might turn out to be in hypothetical (and unlikely) situations. The truth is you could have a bigger impact doing something else, and you know this. (You brought it my attention.)
mats_cd03: huh
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, you should have a read at -- I found it very enlgihtening.
dub: its banal and whiny
mats_cd03: i'm a disgruntled IT slave and you offer to enslave me instead
asciilifeform: aha the doxxing crap
mats_cd03: how generous of you
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, what do you mean "I offer to enslave you instead"? I didn't offer anything but told you you should do something in general terms, i.e. whatever you come up with. I didn't have a specific suggestion for oyu.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: see, you have to understand, poor fella's just trying to do a job here. station chief said, 'recruit mole, your budget is initially $0.' so he's gotta do it, or at least fail convincingly.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun:
assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun "others" who ?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, tihs is exactly why I linked you -- saying this is literally exactly the same as the DMCA allegation. Nobody knows hwere you came up with it.
asciilifeform: 'nobody.'
assbot: Rating Details for User 'ninjashogun'
BingoBoingo: !b5
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, yes in the sense that several people here have said things like "I read thorugh that twice and don't see where USG comes in"
mats_cd03: i've observed both sides of the humint game and ninjashogun is just a failed mba
mircea_popescu: !up SweeteDad
mats_cd03: anxious to con someone with talent for which to substitute as his own
ninjashogun: mats_cd03, I didn't try to hire anyone here!
asciilifeform: sufficiently abject failure can look like other kind of sufficiently abject failure
asciilifeform: like the static on a screen contains many 'movies'
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
BingoBoingo: !b 2
asciilifeform: humint bugger has to tend, befriend, schoozle, bamboozle - before he is ever permitted to hire. at least in the civilized world - can't speak for crazyland
mircea_popescu: yeah hiring for that is like hiring for the press
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone ever gets paid anymore.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, you are literally talking exactly as described in the article I've just linked. This makes you feel better I guess?
asciilifeform looks forward to seeing butterfly collections fill up with folks banging on the door of the wot, 'i'm not a spammer! here's 150 friends who swear! and none of them are in, it's because you drink koolaid'
mircea_popescu: it is kinda lulzy.
asciilifeform: fresh butterfly milk.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, actually, scammers don't hvae a problem building up a WoT reputation as has been shown repeatedly through ultimately failed ponzi schemes, fraudulent exchanges, etc.
asciilifeform: wot is a stochastic system, like thermodynamics.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: the air in your fist can heat up to 1000c, theoretically, by itself
asciilifeform: but go and wait for it.
mircea_popescu: this entire "o hey, X event is exactly like Y dumbass article i found" is pretty cool tho.
mircea_popescu: shaman sitting on the steps of white house. "and now president will come out" obama pops out. shaman "i control the presidency!!!1"
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, it's pretty hard not to see how making random USG accusations isn't exactly the same as using a made-up hot-button "she used DMCA take-downs"?
mircea_popescu: because correlation may not be causation, but definitely is an academic career
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, that is a lot of negatives :)
ninjashogun: You're essentially saying everything I don't understand is deterministic (non-stochastic). Well, okay.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm not.
ninjashogun: What I mean is that that is the meaning of the sentence "things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground" gramatically. (though i understand you're just being rhetorical). after you factor out the double negatives.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: let's start with the basics. you come here, knowing that the sole purpose of allowing you to speak is, more or less, public vivisection for our pleasure. and yet you come. this suggests that you are carrying out your duties to earn your bread.
ninjashogun: I don't htink that's the sole purpose of letting me speak.
TheNewDeal: ;;estimate
asciilifeform: i sympathize with any poor sod who grunts in a salt mine doing something bloody ludicrous and humiliating, but this has to break some sort of record.
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35099821874.7 based on data since last change | 35178251876.6 based on data for last three days
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324475 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35099821874.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.26479
ninjashogun: I think you trolled hard enough for a couple of months to move on to something more constructive. Even weev did.
asciilifeform: !down ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: anyway, this chick is so overdramatic.
asciilifeform: if someone has another purpose for him - let's have it
BingoBoingo: Shave the feathers?
TheNewDeal: If you ever need a spamgun for hire, you know where to find him
asciilifeform: we all know where the button is, yes.
asciilifeform: except, i suspect that he rarely goes hungry.
mircea_popescu: eh guy's not actually useful, just derpy.
asciilifeform: hell, when we turn his microphone off, we're doing him a favour. perhaps they let him clock out then.
mircea_popescu: 2. ignore them (they escalate, make your life more miserable, DDoS, ruin your career, etc. i.e. They Win) <<< wait, wut ?
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. government. (or any other government). Other than holding citizenship and in the interests of absolute full disclosure, I served briefly in the military. This isn't text or me saying it
asciilifeform: lulzies
mircea_popescu: such nonsense, really. people this frail have no business in the public view. take a mcd job and be happy there
BingoBoingo: Plus to that is McD's is probably more a technology business than most startups
BingoBoingo: A lot of automation there
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: “That’s awful, but you gotta admit… hilarious!” Once again, high-fives all around. This is the world we have created.
mircea_popescu: dude everyone fancies themselves a "we" and a world creator
mircea_popescu: anyway, enough of that derpage.
bounce: using a lot of automated (and suitably squaddie-proofed) tools does not a "technology company" make
asciilifeform spent 3 days getting a wireless card to work, all because some shitgnome silently removed support for 'wireless extensions' in a driver (e.g. 'iwconfig') in the name of chope and hange.
bounce: linux and wireless is a neverending three stack soap opera
BingoBoingo: bounce, but they fuel even more automated and idiotproof machines
asciilifeform: bounce: only really an issue on laptops, where you can't install a civilized replacement for $gizmo
mircea_popescu: well... usb.
asciilifeform: then it isn't a laptop, but a crate of crapolade on wires
asciilifeform: that, e.g., you can't switch off (how does the usb dongle behave on power-low mode? etc)
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> I think you can improve your device by communicating with the host in any other way (LED and webcam, speaker and microphone, whatever), other than as a USB device, which I don't think is the most secure interface for your usage case. No, I didn't have anyone else tell me to tell you this!
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: i can't resist!
bounce: so !up and at'em
asciilifeform: !up ninjashogun
kakobrekla: i took out the wifi card in one of my laptops. im sure i can install another card.
BingoBoingo: reeses: 'Muricanized AK << Nao Pink
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: quite a few of the newer boxes deliberately choke if you install an aftermarket card (if you can even find one that fits the slot)
bounce: needs more hello kitty decals
ninjashogun: this is the actual pastebin, so we're not being selective -
assbot: <ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. govern -
ninjashogun: thanks, assbot lol
asciilifeform: right
ninjashogun: that is not an actual title, just the first line that was already quoted.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most laptops with bios locks on card models accept any mini-pci-e wireless cards in the second, cellular modem mini-pcie with just a bit of tape to cover a pin
mircea_popescu: ?
mats_cd03: such praise for asciilifeform
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not this one.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate, these are legion.
asciilifeform: the correct solution would be to quit doing work that requires laptops, but i cannot afford this.
bounce: what? no. build your own laptop. :-p
bounce: bunny huang did. well, the mainboard part. the rest is still "some assembly required".
asciilifeform: bounce: that is not a laptop.
asciilifeform: a turd is not a sausage, even if you eat with relish.
bounce: well, a SMOD then.
asciilifeform: bounce:
assbot: Delusionist
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that is a hilarious cartoon. the punchline is great.
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: Well, hi there
BingoBoingo: Hello
moldysnizz: I was just about to bitch that I funked up my gpg key, but it seems to be working again.
moldysnizz: Had to make a new one, the old had expired.
moldysnizz: Not really sure what the propper protocal is.
BingoBoingo: Don't put expiration dates on the keys?
moldysnizz: Hmmm
moldysnizz: OK
ninjashogun: guys, I've got to go, it's very late here. thanks for the up and the links, I'll talk to you next time.
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (21.35-1.4)/98
gribble: 0.203571428571
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (21.35-1.4)/98*3600
gribble: 732.857142857
moldysnizz: Crap. Gotta go to the store before beer sales end.
moldysnizz: Get some shit tickets too!
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: Well, get to work on that
TheNewDeal: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 3 seconds
moldysnizz: heh. Ya, it's getting cold out.
moldysnizz: Plus, beer.
moldysnizz: When I get back may I bug you about gpg stuff? I was hope'n to test some crap out. Maybe work on a howto sheet for nubs.
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: If I'm awake.
BingoBoingo: Now that cazalla's back trying to get back to 'Murica time for the qntra
moldysnizz: Rock'n catch ya later BingoBoingo
moldysnizz: I don't know what any of that means.
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: There's a lot to catch up on.
moldysnizz nods
TomServo: TheNewDeal:
assbot: kimono : Bitcoin Correlator
TheNewDeal: gracias
moldysnizz: Oh. I'm teathered to my phone. Need znc, must logout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00074202 = 13.8387 BTC [-] {2}
TomServo: de nada
nanotube: <thestringpuller> nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on <- i think you probably mean "cant", and the answer is i don't know, neofutur keeps that mirror. you can wget from
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: thanks nanotube! i didn't know the main one.
cazalla: xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference
nanotube: np :)
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moldysnizz off to bed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 doesn't understand the WoT
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 00:45:00; ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from 1 to -1.
thestringpuller: oh its danielpbarron
thestringpuller: i haven't seen you in a bit
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference < << actually this is quite good advice.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's generally the common refuge of the inept, to pretend that "if they wanted"
thestringpuller: you garden in your new place mircea_popescu ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate! << this thing where one just barfs raw HTML elements all over the page
nubbins`: did you paint your house grey?
thickasthieves: Tim Draper to head CSIRO
nubbins`: with blue shutters that turn purple when you open them?
cazalla: catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks
thickasthieves: hmm
thickasthieves: is my google lying to me
thickasthieves: yeha it is
thickasthieves: fukn spam sites
nubbins`: cazalla weird, i wonder why
cazalla: yeah, i'm reading it's venture capitalist Larry Marshall
penguirker: New blog post:
nubbins`: you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults
cazalla: nubbins`, i actually like it
nubbins`: well, there's that :D
cazalla: but it is something that can be improved later
thestringpuller: make it work first
thestringpuller: make it pretty later?
cazalla: anyway, while driving such long distances, i got to listening to let's talk bitcoin episodes and in one of the latests, adreas concedes bitcoin isn't for africa but maybe now philippines, argentina
thestringpuller: did he say why not africa?
cazalla: well, he said africa in a few decades maybe
cazalla: but more 2nd world because they have better internets
thestringpuller: argentina uses bitcoin for remittence right now from what I've read
thestringpuller: argentines use*
cazalla: maybe i use 2nd world wrong
thestringpuller: probably less red tape to deploy an atm in the 2nd world.
thestringpuller: if none at all.
mod6: cazalla: i like how it looks. simple. and looks good with lynx.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah can't be bothered. but also am not depressed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how do you do html, xml-encapsed ?!
mircea_popescu: o look at that, hanbot qntra.
thestringpuller: "Not only is this confusing for consumers, it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices." << uh it fits an0
thestringpuller: and zero asset...
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults << i don't think that's stooping.
hanbot will write for gray and blue and purple sites
asciilifeform: << turd? yes. but here's a little story behind it. think, why would anyone build a device like this?
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mircea_popescu: so the formidable mpoe-pr lives :D
asciilifeform: (what kind of device? a 2d plane digitizer that sits on usb, meant to be used as 'touch' gizmo. and it pisses GBs of usb disconnect garbage into log -if and only if you don't use it-.)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the "working group" hasn't yet heard of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: they're belabouring on the outskirts of the fiat world still.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like a canary of sorts ?
asciilifeform: sorta.
asciilifeform: why i even mention it? because it's an example of a device that loudly, proudly, pisses on the usb spec (spirit and letter thereof) but is tolerated because for most people - it appears harmless.
asciilifeform: but build a system where it isn't milked (usb pipe with non-null payloads kept going) and drown in shit.
asciilifeform: and incidentally, i know just how the author arrived at this - he probably used the 'watchdog' feature of the micro which implements the device
asciilifeform: i.e., register that cycles its power if not updated every x msec.
asciilifeform: and only updated guess where - interrupt handler (that's only entered if os is using the digitizer, naturally)
asciilifeform: i don't even have to disassemble the beast, extract the fw, and reverse it to have a pretty solid guess
asciilifeform: moral: turdware is everywhere
asciilifeform: moral2: 'crashes as response to unexpected inputs - incl. lack of input - are ok' attitude is a plague that corrupts everything it touches.
asciilifeform: moral3: it is contagious. because it is impossible to implement a sane os which handles this insane device and adds up to sanity.
mircea_popescu: could just ignore it
asciilifeform: but that's not sane.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing insane about refusing to support lunacy
asciilifeform: 'enumerated badness'
mircea_popescu: the converse, the expectation that everything is s upported, is insane.
asciilifeform: yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation
mircea_popescu: you can't install airplane flaps on your car. somehow this is perfectly comprehensible. why should you be able to use a noncompliant usb stick ?
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck does there have to be more than one way to talk to a mouse ?
mircea_popescu: the false dichotomy here being that either you apple (onlt accept stuff we made) or else foss (accept any turd)
asciilifeform: i recently had the occasion to read a treatise on machine screws.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is, only accept stuff that does x y z
asciilifeform: somehow, the world arrived at a handful of precisely defined thread types that are interoperable.
mircea_popescu: whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.
asciilifeform: precisely.
mircea_popescu: this is enough of a revolution in computing as is.
mircea_popescu: build a machine from the ground up, that works like that.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
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mircea_popescu: and sure, the coindesks of the world will derp about how "xe has difficulty with bitcoin". so ?
asciilifeform: ^ written long ago
mircea_popescu: fuck them, they should be thankful for this difficulty now, and humbly submit
mircea_popescu: the difficulty later will be worse.
thestringpuller: !up jacoblyles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my turd, if it had a point, mainly had the point of - the grave harm of 'tolerance.'
mircea_popescu: well, tolerance understood as, "ignore it".
mircea_popescu: as much as we'd all like to see little machine guns come out of the chassis and blow things away
asciilifeform: when you turn up one of these pieces of junk, on your desk, or worse yet, chained to it (yes, you bought one set - can buy another, what'll the crapolade be in the next gadget?) - it happens because other folks - lived with it.
asciilifeform: because someone decided to be 'tolerant.'
asciilifeform: and 'helpful.'
mircea_popescu: apparently tolerance as in the libtard notion has a lot of drawbacks
asciilifeform: forced mistake, in many cases - sometimes, you have the luxury of setting fire to the whole shebang and walking away
mircea_popescu: and the supposed benefits are not really that readily apparent. what's the benefit to beint tolerant supposed to be, again ?
asciilifeform: other times - no
mircea_popescu: something something powerless people ?. ahem... fuck em ?
asciilifeform: somebody gets fucked, regardless, just like something had to burn to power my computer to write this (precious little fission or hydro where i live)
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asciilifeform: question instead is, what burns, what kind of exhaust gas
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron have fun
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: familiar with 'postel's law' ?
mircea_popescu: ie robustness
asciilifeform: it's a little gibblet of dreary nonsense parroted in defense of the the kind of crap described earlier.
asciilifeform: 'be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send.'
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as smart as it would want to be. its direct equivalent would be "never rape anyone and enjoy being raped whenever it happens"
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't go very far now would it.
asciilifeform: perfectly sane 2nd half is like a needle through which 1st clause is injected through your brain.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: myeah. funny how obvious the obvious is once the correspondingly larger sex-and-money processor is put to the task.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the postel crap reminds me of the fountain through which the bulk of modern pc retardation flows forth: the web browser. as in, literally the only reason one cannot use os setup circa, e.g., 2001 (with a patch here & there)
asciilifeform: because modern111!1111 browser won't build there
asciilifeform: and if built (miracle, hand-massaged bottle-fed libraries, etc) won't run.
asciilifeform: because won't fit in 64M of the machine in question
asciilifeform: for no particular or identifiable reason.
asciilifeform: why, precisely, does it take four megs to render a tab filled with 1kb of ascii text?
asciilifeform: because herpderpr0gr355?
mike_c: <+cazalla> catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks << luckily that's about the 50th most important thing..
mike_c: when's hanbot going to start contributing?
mike_c: probably can't curse as much as on the forums
thestringpuller: probably not a need since the intended audience isn't retards
mike_c: there is a need for good writers that know bitcoin.
thestringpuller: not a need for cursing*
thestringpuller: sorry for ambiguity
mike_c: oh :) yeah.
hanbot: news doesn't call for it so often, i don't think.
mike_c: i've actually been impressed that they've managed to keep from cursing while talking about VC's and such
hanbot: mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << like an hour ago?
mike_c: oh? cool.
mike_c: look at that, i'm behind the times.
mike_c: i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again.
hanbot: gotta try new things :)
thestringpuller: or bitcoin magazine, or r/bitcoin...
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because modern111!1111 browser won't build there << what is the "modern browser" for ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << latest was hers neh ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again. << you have NO IDEEA how awesome this thing actually is
mircea_popescu: the reveal, late oct/early november
mike_c: exciting!
asciilifeform: what is the "modern browser" for << search engines & their output, mostly.
decimation: asciilifeform: somehow the browser has morphed into the 'new os' - and it's even shittier than wintel

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