Vexual: don't see much japanese here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00037145 = 11.7564 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
gribble: I have not seen magicaltux.
decimation: asciilifeform: you and the mayor prefer the ghetto :)
mircea_popescu: <decimation> like, you leave package on the postman's door? << pay homeless dude 10 bux ?
Vexual: xinxiwang, why so many bitcoiners in sg?
xinxiwang: maybe singapore is a good place for bitcoin business.
xinxiwang: the government follows the law strictly. they don’t ban it.
decimation: xinxiwang: are people in the prc generally able to hold bitcoin?
decimation: xinxiwang: what about the exchanges that were shut down?
decimation: I guess they were forced to not accept bank transfers right?
xinxiwang: oh yeah, they have some other ways.
decimation: xinxiwang: is there a functioning over-the-counter market in the prc for bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: "In 2009 Mayor Cheye Calvo proposed a measure that would require every Maryland police department that operates a SWAT team to submit biannual reports on its activities, including where and when it was deployed and whether an operation resulted in arrests, evidence seizures, or injuries."
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> even in usa, can hold bitcoin. << SO far I can even transact.
decimation: mircea_popescu: tally how many dogs killed?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm. << USG dealing with CHina and Russia, won't seize but torch. Owner torches.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, a lot more swat derps need to be kiled on a daily basis, to balance that shit out.
Vexual: dow jones industrial all time high
decimation: mircea_popescu: that facebook post above demonstrates there are those who fantasize about doing exactly that I think
mircea_popescu: nothing worse than an aparatchick with a delusion of invulnerability.
BingoBoingo: SWAT man's advantage in the US is practice
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, considering the line of work, a 2-3 year average lifespan for anyone involved would be reasonable.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'd personally hold on to acquitting anyone accused of shooting a swat derp, if in his home.
mircea_popescu: just on a general "well, vote for the underdog" thing.
Vexual: australia gets a lot more people shot in their kitchen for holding a kitchen knife than americaz
mircea_popescu: take the 2-3year average lifespan to 16 monts, what of it.
decimation: I donno, if jury trial is abolished, one might find many more declared and undeclared 'oath keepers' come out of the woodwork
mircea_popescu: decimation like one did when patriot didn't sunset, right ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: How much are you bidding for the job?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde. << Very true in the case of Ferguson particulars
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem here is that you're thinking this in terms of perception,
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah which is why the 'oath keepers' who appeared were a serious threat
mircea_popescu: while it's not much a matter of perception. pure thermodynamics.
Vexual: legioinaires get a passport
Vexual: but you don't get to pretend
decimation: if the 'oath keepers' demostrate that peace can be kept without swat/usg/fed/bureaucracy, 'people' might get the wrong idea
decimation: the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary
decimation: that and to distract from the fact that obama & the dems lost big "we lost but whitey is still racis!!!"
BingoBoingo: decimation> the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary << Hilary's not running. Jim Webb.
mircea_popescu: decimation listen, the market in security is such that various groups always tend to posture as you know
mircea_popescu: this is the original spark of mob turf wars, too. it's basically free money.
mircea_popescu: nah, bosnian dude was kinda off-white but not dark enough.
BingoBoingo: I honestly think is was stupid for a mixed gang of Hispanics and Black americans to pick on the Bosnians for lacking melanin.
mircea_popescu: im sure they picked on them over disagreements as to how to treat bitchez.
BingoBoingo: In St Louis the Bosnians benefit from geographic concentration and the part where "white" people love living in bosnian neighborhoods
BingoBoingo: My brother the Dentist in little Sarajevo in St Louis feels safer there than in Gretchen Wilson country where he grew up... largely because he assumes his neighbors are so much more armed.
BingoBoingo: A lot of people in the region won't admit it, but yes Bosnians are very white and this worries them.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the fear being that the Bosnians didn't get the memo that they supposed to do whatever usg or the local thugs demand?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The fear that people who aren't white are so pissed at whites they are targeting people most whites don't consider white in spite of optics
decimation: asciilifeform: us chechens probably aren't a fan of usg either
decimation: such a grand strategy usg undertook, to import all of its enemies worldwide and make them citizens so we could all love them with socialism
decimation: yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way
mircea_popescu: so google decided spontaneously to redirect me to argentina google.
mircea_popescu: turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.00036354 = 10.6564 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.
BingoBoingo still amazed white StL people don't realize that bosnians are what keep south city habitable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down.
decimation: yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural
decimation: there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform food hasn't been a serious geopolitical issue since about 1600.
decimation: no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box
decimation: asciilifeform: except historically the city man own's the country man's plows & fields
mircea_popescu: dude this is like saying guy has to "subjugate" woman, as she needs nothing etc.
mircea_popescu: if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.
mircea_popescu: "need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.
mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release. << Come one, goats!!!
decimation: note that no one is actually employed plowing anymore, except by usg, and those plows are automated machines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.
mircea_popescu: the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by
mircea_popescu: that the sheer entertainment value of it al is what motivated 99% of the movement.
mircea_popescu: genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.
mircea_popescu: the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it
mircea_popescu: it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.
decimation: actually the few farm folks I knew generally loved the farm, hated the city
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a very specific thing, tho. rural russian kid cca 1920.
mircea_popescu: decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.
decimation: a modern us farmer is basically a machinist/engineer
decimation: they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00037638 = 1.769 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the bulava pose any sort of threat to anyone these days tho.
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like firing a tank in slow motion at someone.
mircea_popescu: afaik the classical approach mostly intercepts them at perihelion
decimation: yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase
decimation: right, and death rays are also terribly common
mircea_popescu: anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: so your "i'll trust them when they use one" is kinda an unfairly distant bridge.
mircea_popescu: at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.
BingoBoingo always imagined a perfect "nuclear power" untouchable datacenter would target DC, Beijing, Moscow, and Mecca for its dead hand protocol
decimation: also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which lonely place was that video about?
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, this seems like a more likely attack method honestly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One was already made, torrent "Birth of a Nation" Next step has yet to be made.
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with
BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...
BingoBoingo: Lizard hitler has nothing on hawk hitler... dunno I want to disclose how I ended in that scenario...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What are the rought loper-os dreams after Chicom memresistors?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You'll live long enough for that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.1 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00036071 = 10.8934 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ^If notary were here would be entered into the record.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9460 @ 0.00036071 = 3.4123 BTC [-]
Vexual: i get kicked for smoking a reefer now?
Vexual: oh wait, im still here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43685 @ 0.00034269 = 14.9704 BTC [-]
Vexual: thats confucingly fair
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23342 @ 0.00035122 = 8.1982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18055 @ 0.0003519 = 6.3536 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: soz for more aussie spam :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00035198 = 3.3438 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release <<< plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking!
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, first beyond me, second looks interesting
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "<davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?" <<< didn't say there shouldn't be a maturity date, i said trading should be continuous
nubbins`: alternating 3ds pokemon with decapitating bunnies
nubbins`: and projecting latent anger at his wife
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00035504 = 9.1423 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol looks beautiful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00035926 = 7.9756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00036096 = 2.2019 BTC [+]
jurov: yes. everything bitcoin. and btc. taken (except btc.yt which is mine)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2350 @ 0.00119998 = 2.82 BTC [+]
mod6: nice! i like btc.yt too, just because it's short.
jurov: when entlds started, i applied for some bitcoin.something but registrar considers it trademark
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6276 @ 0.00119999 = 7.5311 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: they asked some documents to prove i'm owner, so i let it go
punkman: bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation
jurov: anyone who has a registrar who doesn't give a fuck about trademarks, go ahead
jurov: well, if we have someone with +9 diplomacy skill.. try to turn them over?
punkman: register bitcoin founation trademark, try to steal it?
davout: punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek
BingoBoingo: <davout> punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek << Point to different scamsite every week.
BingoBoingo: Maybe load scamsite of the week in an iframe below a banner that says "Lol, cocks. HIV!"
punkman: could also host "Bitcoin HIV Awards"
kakobrekla: i mean, it stands for something other than hiv no?
punkman: invaluable is a good thing
jurov: yes, like priceless
jurov probes kakobrekla's orifices
kakobrekla: if i say i didnt id admit to being raped
jurov: mircea_popescu knows when to walk on us in
kakobrekla: jurov do you know why trezor guys went with "m/44'/0'/0'/0/0"
jurov: ask slush or st|ck
jurov: they answer on #bitcoin.cz sometimes
jurov: and..care to explain why's that a problem?
BingoBoingo: Could be a big problem. Constipation is a leading killer of goldfish.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking! << we'll talk once your kid grows up a little. it's not about you. it's about the Vladimir Lenin All-Union Pioneer Organization.
punkman: mircea_popescu: hoping to get it back up by end of week
mircea_popescu: looky here : i can't pay teh foundation its tax because i can't link to a justificative document. wtf do i do now ?
punkman: website can go back up if kakobrekla turns it on
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov
http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ? << i've got a copy of mine with SHA512
jurov: just send it to btc-dev mailing list
jurov: will be a good testing sample for piling up the signatures
mod6: I sent it... hmm isn't showing up for me in the archive yet
jurov: invalid signature.. looks like our friend wordwrap
mod6: is it because it wasn't wrapped at 80 cols or whatever?
mod6: lemme see if i can arm-wrestle with 'fing-gmail
mircea_popescu: all email gets 80 col wrapped, if the original isn't so wrapped you can't get it to ever verify.
mod6: *nod* sorry, forgot that the orig wasn't wrapped.
jurov: yes, there are ways how to avoid problems described
jurov: lol i realized the foundation's activity last month can be best described as "DNS scavenging"
gribble: badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <badon> Yes, I'm doing that now.
mircea_popescu: it's like the good days of the 90s all over again. "oh, you don't have a computer at home ? THEN YOU CANT PLAY WITH US!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00035738 = 3.7168 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ^ Guy bought a lot of GAW stuff, now pissed
mircea_popescu: "You have said that you want Paycoin to take over bitcoin a coin that you said you dont believe in"
jurov: oh mod6 i forgot to suggest to send it as "patch" so that people can just add signatures.. nm, i'll add it there somehow
mircea_popescu: dude such typical scammer behaviour. "set an impossible goal for your ponzi scheme, at least the chumps can then pretend they failed doing something important"
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : idiots defrauded by garza haven't "lost their money trying to take over bitcoin" anymore than the idiots defrauded by buterin & the us propaganda machine through the etherium scam have lost their money "trying to take over bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: you weren't in any sense and at any point trying to "take over bitcoin", or anything else for that matter.
mircea_popescu: you just... gave a scammer... some of your money. because you're stupid. whole story.
danielpbarron: what's the deal with ethereum going to counterparty? I'm curious as to how your short contracts will play out..
mircea_popescu: you mean my short contracts that NOBODY ABSOLUTELY bought ?
mircea_popescu: for the reason that you know, nobody absolutely had any ethereum in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: people are internet-interested, which is to say, up until that point when the wallet has to come out.
assbot: Yoan Moncada: Is It Now Legal for Cuban Ballplayers to Leave Their Country and Join the Major Leagues? ... (
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mod6: jurov: nice work on your Nov. statement btw. ty!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003575 = 15.7479 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00034967 = 5.857 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: heh i never imagined myself being a beancounter
davout: jurov: you're turning jew
jurov: oh my... even had circumcision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00034299 = 15.1602 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00036096 = 4.7827 BTC [+]
Anduck: arij: you're voiced already
arij: can some one please point me in the direction of whoever maintains bitcoin-assets.com?
Anduck: i'd guess mircea_popescu
nubbins`: various people are in charge of the subdomains
arij: i wanted to offer hosting on behalf of bitvps for a mirror, or whatever else bitcoin-assets may need
Anduck: who runs deeds anyway?
kakobrekla: deeds is punkman, search is mthreat the rest is me
nubbins`: and i guess it's having issues
arij: hey kakobrekla, pm?
nubbins`: arij doing his part for la serenissima
rithm: nubbins`, i finally bought a mtte and fram for that print
rithm: i'll send you a pic once it's hung in the studio
nubbins`: some kid named johnny cowabunga bought the rights to use it for an album cover :0
rithm: it's perfect hanging in a music studio then
rithm: i bought the frame and matte for my heisenberg woodcut too
rithm: a bright orange thick matte
rithm: and ornate black wooden frame
rithm: actually it was linoleum
rithm: heavy stock though
rithm: 2013 bitcoin black friday 1 of 19
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5024 @ 0.00021 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}
jborkl: thanks to the ddos bot, real mature
jborkl: Any story behind all the SMPOE selling?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036449 / 0.00038342 (1070582 shares, 390.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035376 / 0.00041472 (10731263 shares, 3,796.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00045549 / 0.00086038 (29859418 shares, 13,600.91 BTC)
jborkl: They were pushing hard, thats for sure
nubbins`: a better question is: any story behind S.MPOE > 0.8 ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00035103 = 1.1935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00035777 = 19.8383 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00036155 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Many lols indeed, but I really dun want to test the limits of how far a blockquote tage can be stretched...
TomServo: I seem to recall someone publishing a form letter to be sent to Lawlsky; I wouldn't be surprised by tons of dupes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32634 @ 0.00036165 = 11.8021 BTC [+]
undata: oh linux configuration management tools, the wrong solution to the wrong problem...
undata: burn it to the ground; this field can't be saved
BingoBoingo: tap natural gas storage salt dome, build tower of fire, power miners in hedgehog
BingoBoingo: But if you want to broadcast, same solution... tower of fire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00036861 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2}
undata: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste << yes but tower of fire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00036896 = 8.2278 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base
undata: BingoBoingo: that's clever, get the peasants to silence each other
BingoBoingo: Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already
BingoBoingo: Thing was moderately interesting as RSS for dummies, but...
BingoBoingo: Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies
BingoBoingo: But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted
BingoBoingo: Now the entire internet from 1999 on needs to be tossed to fix the problem
undata: rss is still working just fine for me
BingoBoingo: What was wrong with excite.com and yahoo as a phone book?
undata: if we're hitting reset on things, can I have a computer too?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees
undata: on this alt-history internet, can we have a lisp instead of JS?
undata: this blackjack and hookers browser has no DOM, no filthy CSS
undata: asciilifeform: "It’s maybe what happens when physicists decide to play with computers, I’m not sure." << hear hear
undata: then we try to bastardize the thing into an actual programming environment
undata: I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath
BingoBoingo: Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol
undata: asciilifeform: he mentions X; I've pondered coming up with a little protocol to talk to a canvas tag with
undata: asciilifeform: a box you can either draw in 2D upon, or stick webgl in
undata: I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it
undata: asciilifeform: haha, clojurescript is a clojure -> JS compiler
undata: abstractions atop abstractions atop ...
undata: asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"
undata: I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan
undata: every release adds more "OS" stuff
jurov: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...
jurov: ... for desert ariculture
undata: asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen
undata: I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in
undata: asciilifeform: somebody has to organize it, and fund it
undata: can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?
undata: asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space
undata: but I'm not yet qualified to express that opinion
undata: asciilifeform: vaguely lispy functional programming stuff in python, etc
gribble: Current Blocks: 332752 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1903 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32967993286.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -17.59541
mike_c: don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00036524 = 2.6688 BTC [-]
undata: asciilifeform: oh dear, yet more to suggest that nobody in this "economy" can think
undata: and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.
undata: what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate
BingoBoingo: To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?
BingoBoingo: I thought it was sufficiently endowed rocket to enable time and a Yurt.
undata: asciilifeform: 1) sell cardano 2) get rich 3) fix computing
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> some kid named johnny cowabunga bought << nfw ?!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
assbot: You heard it here first: Lead prosecutor on U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's London Whale cases is going to prominent defense firm.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense' <<< lol what, vespasian v2.0 ?
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: looks like you're planning future work for ro translations of trilema stuff huh?
mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes, pretend like you're a tough ass prosecutor for a few years, get a juicy private practice contract.
assbot: Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Parthian Battery (Ancient Iranians, The Inventors of Battery) ... (
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Challenge Preet in single's combat to take over as Bezzel Arbiter for Manhattan
mircea_popescu: this is not like saying "go on a blind date with an unqualified woman", but like saying "take a random dude as a slave 5.8mn times"
adlai wonders how sassanid scientists discovered this effect
BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.
adlai: "660 000 tonnes per year, and about 90 % of emissions are natural" TIL
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, the girl actually lives and breathes.
mircea_popescu: ", and no ancient electroplated artifacts have been identfied." << bs.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought maybe whoever conquered Tyrone took the women and left the dick girl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.
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mircea_popescu: pretending like "no X were found" is, you know, whatevs.
adlai likes the speculation that artifacts throught to be gold are just electroplated
mircea_popescu: but i don't happen to favour that sort of standard of evidence.
BingoBoingo: OMG eletroplating doubters are like intermediate species doubters
mircea_popescu: im not in the business of proving to a bunch of idiots that they're wrong.
mircea_popescu: im in the business of trying to form an idea of wtf happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i'd posit it has nothing to do with gold, olr with "gems" which they claimed the streets are paved with (most of which - obsydian).
mircea_popescu: it has everything to do with wanting to motivate euros to get the fuck there, much like the wild stories propping up the south sea bubble
BingoBoingo: Turns out underwear bomber was likely very cooperative because he thought the CIA would bring the FBI in on this whole informant thing.
mircea_popescu: the ways common psychology works, the ways people motivate themselves to do things they'll do anyway...
mircea_popescu: take woman with cock in her mouth. she's there because "the guy really respects her" right ? and "he has a great sense of humor" right ?
mircea_popescu: just so, these dudes were going there because "el dorado", not because... whatever, empty space.
BingoBoingo: Oh shit!!! asciilifeform Fuck that was a while ago.
undata: however they've done this, bravo...
adlai: "The ‘batteries’ were among objects looted from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad during the invasion by the USA and its allies in 2003. It is not known where they are now or if they even still exist."
http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208
BingoBoingo: Who said anything about downloading... It's probably in one of the piles of processed tree corpses in the garage.
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the us warcrimes list includes wartime looting!
undata: I'm still stuck on the CIA having given a bomb to a guy who boarded a plane
undata: this being public knowledge
undata: this inversion of belief and reality...
adlai: ditto for studies on the objective and subjective effects of 'oiling' the thinking machine with various alkaloids, terpenoids, etc
adlai: lots of interesting data, and orders of magnitude more nonsense obscuring it
undata: what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane
undata: there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so
undata: a person who can do that is a danger to everyone
undata: there's a distinction there between one who can lie, and one who doesn't know it's a lie
undata: this, that there's a script which is expected to precede that which my own eyes tell me
undata: the religion rootkit, whatever you want to call that
undata: what troubles me is whether that thing has a legitimate use, or whether there are particular humans that are irredeemably broken
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 16:46:43; mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> fact is, if works, will be used. << so much this
undata: "if works" << that's the whole point, isn't it?
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 08:57:03; mircea_popescu: decimation: sign, google or apple, pick your poison <<< yeah, isn't chrome basically one of those spammy "toolbars" they had for netscape that sort-of mutated into being its own browser ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like. << a sword that cuts both ways.
mircea_popescu: <undata> what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane << of course. why not ?
mircea_popescu: undata> there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so << yes. this class of people is called "women".
undata: mircea_popescu: dunno, I've met plenty without tits
mircea_popescu: "Then, God be bless'd, it is the blessed sun: but sun it is not, when you say it is not; and the moon changes even as your mind. What you will have it named, even that it is; and so it shall be so for Katharina."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it hard to believe us security sucks.
mircea_popescu: i know this from experience, so does anyone else in any way involved with any aspect thereof.
mircea_popescu: ever wondered how these dudes in their very distinctive gear manage to go in and out of the roman camp ?
mircea_popescu: the only reason obama doesn't get a glass shard through the eye is that nobody gives a shit about him and his eye
undata: doesn't this suggest followers which are too sure of "what is" are not good slaves at all?
undata: that was my meandering point above
mircea_popescu: undata there's a reason i dun want new york after all.
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '
undata: asciilifeform: so someone can surely be beaten into this state; what I'm asking is whether they don't become useless as a tool in that state
gribble: You rated user BlueMeanie4 on Sat Oct 18 13:17:40 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: thinks the WoT should be more like an iPhone;
http://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4.
undata: If I have mastered 2+2=5, there are things completely out of my reach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt anyone much cares bout teh master key, but anyweay.
undata: seems like even, especially, and most importantly 2+2=4 is out of reach
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, yes -- where "user" means average dummy
BlueMeanie4: well that aint gonna get ya users now will it? ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so why is this piece supposed to bother you ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in. << more likely assumed you'll see it in your logs.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 i doubt anyone's much interested in "getting new users". what's wrong with new users getting us ?
BingoBoingo: Anyone offering odds on whether New York gets riots tonight?
BlueMeanie4: the whole thing is a massive media manipulation stunt, seems we get one every few months these days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking something like "Do the right thing" trashcan through windows... prolly at least one good fire.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meh. more likely, a tweetmeet with some politicos trying to be all you know, talked about.
BingoBoingo: Ah, New York isn't a serious place like St Louis is.
BlueMeanie4: demographically practically different planets
mircea_popescu: reading this steam lispo thing, howdja get so cynical asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid.
BlueMeanie4: personally, I think Russia has a hand in all this
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undata: BlueMeanie4: russia has a hand in what
BlueMeanie4: there are plenty of black ppl who think all this is ridiculous
undata: ... what problems, the "riots"?
undata: are you kidding? these "riots" are the US version of the same festering problems you see anywhere people are rotting in socialist paradise
BlueMeanie4: the UNHCR was invented specifically for Palestinians
undata: there are similar barbarians in UK shitholes
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> in engineering these problems << the agenda is, "send nuland to dance naked in teh lubyanka. we didn't think the ukraine posturing was funny."
BlueMeanie4: i imagine as a Romanian you are not exactly keen on 'greater Russia'?
undata: these riots play directly into the US govts desire for ever stricter laws
undata: I don't see why the Russians have to be involved as boogeyman
BlueMeanie4: i think personally they want to bring it to such high crisis level they can totally remake US govt.
undata: mircea_popescu: strategy being to have us strangle ourselves?
mircea_popescu: here's a pop quiz : would you say the "stricter laws" past 2001 were to the detriment of al-quaeda or to its benefit ?
BlueMeanie4: just watch that video i posted. many regular black ppl think this is bogus, but they suppress that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how it matters obviously depends on context, but i was merely discussing the principle.
BlueMeanie4: tells you that the agenda here is something quite different. They WANT tensions- that is the goal
BlueMeanie4: maybe for you, but the average mouthbreathing american goes by TV or Twitter feed
undata: I don't deny that there could be foreign interest in stirring this up, but there's plenty of homegrown entitlement and idiocy to go around too
undata: watching people "protest" in Portand over #fergie was a joke
BlueMeanie4: i think there is a long term plan to break down america
BlueMeanie4: this place has become a !@#$ing nut house in the past 15 years
undata: the thing that comes after it will be worse.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 there are numerous long, middle and short plans to break down anything standing all the time.
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of aureus on your armpit hatching one regarding you, right now.
BlueMeanie4: youre never one to hold back on graphic imagry
mircea_popescu: the important point here isn't that such plans exist, as they always do.
mircea_popescu: the important part here is just how weakly this old man is.
BlueMeanie4: ya but its getting so obvious at this point, many ppl are like- ok whats going to happen now, total breakdown?
undata: that's what I'm anticipating; bezzleland seizes up, and there's a horde of superstitious morons suddenly available as a resource
undata: someone's going to grab that
mircea_popescu: time to jump ship, because the idiots that persist in "working for the government" WILL be hanged.
mircea_popescu: i didn't get too far with my bloodlust in the romanian collapse,
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: That's kinder imagery than the Candida.
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BlueMeanie4: its just getting totally nuts here, you have to scotch tape the camera on your cell phone so they dont turn it on and record you
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BlueMeanie4: meanwhile the Californians are like: but it's got Flappybird!
BingoBoingo: I alternate between clamshell and candybar with a keyboard for texting bitches
BlueMeanie4: Americans are about to get a taste of all this
BlueMeanie4: they've lived in uber-affluence for decades
undata: I don't buy that our primary enemy isn't our own CIA.
BlueMeanie4: he wrote this great article on 'dofenism' one of my favs
undata: they're going to cause a collapse then their meat-puppet is going to pull an american-flavored hitler
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : architect hired to build monastery, walls keep falling down, builds his young pregnant wife in there, walls stand,
BingoBoingo: More spurious hash: ce0f9ddab79c55d0b8ca31252e4f49f262be90b7
undata: mircea_popescu: the enemy which is opening the orifices through which our other enemies are barging in
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BlueMeanie4: the disparity in attitudes is just tremendous
BlueMeanie4: California in particular is going to be a huge mess. they can't pay their bills esp pensions and social services, politicians keep passing the buck
BlueMeanie4: then you talk to a californian, and it's like : NEW BMW! something is very wrong here
undata: maybe that'll take care of the west coast (and me along with it!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess it can work as glass too. the noun i only knew as woad, paint.
mats_cd03: california's getting fixed, slowly. legislature's getting their shit together, but who knows if its enough
BlueMeanie4: oh ya, the ppl who live in the interior LOVE earthquakes
BlueMeanie4: they dont come out and say it but they all silently hope California falls into the ocean
mats_cd03: earthquakes don't have anything to do with governance
BingoBoingo: Now that the governor elect here in Illinois is getting briefed on how fucked the state is, I'm thinking he might quit before he can get sworn in.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 the "whole country" is only "a mess" in the sense that random idiots are inept, and the model where you run a continent as a centrally planned economy requires a lot more than a conclave of idiots in charge.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the country'd recover and do just fine if left the fuck alone.
undata: BlueMeanie4: I could just as easily see this Yuri character as anticommunist psyops
BlueMeanie4: ya 'centralization' is the problem, weve never had this much federal power before, mostly the states governed themselves
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet. But he is getting more and more dejected in appearances.
BlueMeanie4: now add to that all this spying, social media presence, etc.
BingoBoingo: Celebrated winning the election, but... pretty despondent ever since
BlueMeanie4: they're using these various front issues to break down state soveireignty
mircea_popescu: here's a simple reform idea : take guns away from police. because government employees are slaves, and slaves don't belong carrying arms. that's for citizens only.
mircea_popescu: if a policeman wants to report a crime, he gotta find a citizen and get his help.
mircea_popescu: slaves don't get to stand their ground, they get to scurry away and seek help.
mircea_popescu: and if you're unable or unwilling to stand your ground, well... you're not a citien either. go find one and hide behind him.
mircea_popescu: solves the fake "problems" in all of five minutes, but also exposes the real problem :
BlueMeanie4: in most american cities, esp. most black neighborhoods they wouldn't dare remove the police
mircea_popescu: go suck off to tyrone, why should the state push things away from equilibrium.
mircea_popescu: if tyrone's the man and you're the woman, wear the fucking cock cage and go about your business.
BlueMeanie4: as that last video showed, there are plenty of ppl of all colors who do not want the police removed
BlueMeanie4: this is what a lot of these protestors dont understand, most are white middle/upper class
BlueMeanie4: they really have no idea what living in a low income area is like
BlueMeanie4: to them 'police' are these annoying characters who want to get between them and their pot habit
BlueMeanie4: tis the most immature deluded nonsense you can imagine
BlueMeanie4: its really nothing like e. europe, there are underlying tensions that you just dont have in a place like Romania
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 let me tell you something. they got bums everwhere here. one night, one prolly drunk dude got rambunctious and started yelling.
BlueMeanie4: there isnt the the underlying urge to robe your neighbor
undata: BlueMeanie4: I recall some "livestreamer" of the PDX "protest" calling them pigs, then chatting up a girl
BlueMeanie4: undata- oh ya , we call them Trustafarians
mircea_popescu: the us... heck, they're so fucking cowardly you can piss in their face and they'll likely limit themselves to complaining sottovoce.
BingoBoingo: "They should make Kalashnikov Mobile phones.. With high level of rugged-ness to be used in the harsher parts of the world..."
BlueMeanie4: oh sure Romania is probably safer than NYC, certianly safer than NYC with no police
BlueMeanie4: ya the 'hipster' set is clearly a major part of the problem
BlueMeanie4: mainly white kids reared on Obama nonsense
undata: reared on social media nonsense
undata: hence what you mention last
undata: "it's real if it's twatted"
mircea_popescu: so.. yeah, this "police will protect us" thing is going to last what, another year or two.
BlueMeanie4: they have no real concept of how the world works
BlueMeanie4: most dont even have jobs, just support from parents
undata: BlueMeanie4: less and less of that with the economy as it is
undata: the most recent generation is wasting away in the service industry
BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/
BlueMeanie4: youve got a lot of clear Nazi ideas building up
mircea_popescu: <undata> making pizzas << aaaand whose brilliant idea is that "we don't need industry, we can grow rich by doing each other's laundry" ?
BlueMeanie4: MP: we can grow rich by serving each other Lattes!
BlueMeanie4: everyone is pushing money around or spying on citizens
undata: it'll end in a dictator
BlueMeanie4: because the asshats will DEMAND their 'standard of living' be preserved
undata: mircea_popescu: he's so far unknown
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not generally peoples wanting their "standard of living being preserved" that end up with hitler.
mircea_popescu: those generally go fight in the trenches for five years.
mircea_popescu: it's their thoroughly debased and humiliated sons an' daughters that get the hitler.
undata: seems we're headed for humiliation, no?
undata: worldwide empire reduced to economic crater
BlueMeanie4: i can def. see some states just dropping out of this
undata: BlueMeanie4: and being coerced back in, I'd think
undata: the military though takes steps to avoid a state having its own state-sized chunk of military
BlueMeanie4: the concept of the average Texan is miles apart from where Obama is taking the US
undata: BlueMeanie4: I'm actually from there
BlueMeanie4: i live in a red state, generally stay away from the blue areas
undata: BlueMeanie4: gun control, but they also ship people around so they don't have a group that's entirely from one state
BlueMeanie4: but fact is ppl are getting more and more aware
undata: hah, maybe we're headed for a Lincoln
undata: yeah, say there's a large economic collapse and the federal system starts to deteriorate
undata: somebody rides in to "save the union"
BlueMeanie4: then theyll start taxing everyone like crazy
undata: that could be the new thing, "domestic terrorism" vs the federal system
BlueMeanie4: Texas and perhaps a coalition will basically say FU
BlueMeanie4: right and the feds will label them domestic terrorists
undata: one could see lots of the "antiterrorism" stuff as prepping for a civil war
BlueMeanie4: he already clearly violates the Constitution
undata: right, they know full well that the economic system is a sham, and is going to implode
BlueMeanie4: they are anticipating things getting out of control
undata: so they've been getting this stuff ready
undata: arguably this domestic terrorism thing has been there in the US since the start
undata: "domestic terrorism" redefined as any sort of anti-federal thing
undata: times to wait and squirel away nuts
BlueMeanie4: any advice from Romania on how to survive economic collapse and govt takeover?
undata: argentina might have some things to say there as well
undata: good old prescott bush and friends
undata: I don't see how that's better
undata: BlueMeanie4: that it lacks that form of cancer does not mean it lacks cancer
undata: hilarious picture though
mircea_popescu: actually kinda funny what hoover had to say abgout getting off gold.
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cazalla: BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/ <<< in hindsight, /pol/ was a short stop otw to #b-a, once i began to put in more time here, i pretty much stopped putting in any time at /pol/
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decimation: re: only citizens could carry guns << that's a very good idea, and probably very close to what the 'founding fathers' had in mind
kakobrekla: bb doesnt have a red and green light but it does have a red and green buttons
decimation: now the situation is reversed, and citizens must ask police to wield guns. This confusion is at the root of much of what is wrong with usg.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, but you know exactly why it won't happen.
mircea_popescu: no us citizen alive today is willing to sucker punch the wife if she talks back
adlai: when there's a deterministic profile for further scrutiny (public announcement of the bet in-channel), those who specifically wish to minimize scrutiny will stay just outside the profile. what if we make it non-deterministic?
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't people who want to stay outside of scrutiny be able to ?
TomServo: I like the cops with no guns, find a citizen approach.
kakobrekla: non-deterministic < better to stream comments to #b-a and harness the power of trolls
TomServo: But shouldn't a citizen also be capable of finding a wife that doesn't require a sucker punch?
decimation: TomServo: why would you want to neglect her/.
mircea_popescu: TomServo such wives exist only in a world where people are WILLING TO slap them.
decimation: mircea_popescu: nah, just been following his writings
mircea_popescu: it's like the nukes exactly. kids that know they can't EVER get in trouble grow up with various mental illnesses. kids that grow up knowing they could easily get in trouble grow up fine, and generally don't need to be beaten either.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more insulting than the plain declaration that "[i really don't care enough about you to be bothered to] ever beat you"
TomServo: I guess I don't understand why a beating is necessary when you have a sufficiently advanced human capable of reasoning. Help me out?
mircea_popescu: TomServo the theory is that you don't get that advanced human in any unverse that doesn't include beating as a possibility.
mircea_popescu: yes, but because of networking effects this isn't useful.
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:41; Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:51; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic men.
decimation: "The way you talk about superintelligence reminds me a lot about how medieval theologians talked about God. It's unbounded. It can do anything. Except maybe created a rock so heavy it can't move it. Has anyone ever made that observation to you, and what's your reaction to that? Guest: I think you might be the first, at least that I can remember. Russ: Hmmm."
decimation: hehe yeah asciilifeform this guy has to be in yudkowsky's orbit somehow
TomServo: mircea_popescu: no matter the level of advancement, always beat?
decimation: yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'
decimation: www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/artificial-intelligence.pdf
TomServo: So you never graduate from beating?
decimation: TomServo: do you graduate from having to eat?
undata: I think this is predicated on "beat everyone"
TomServo: Is there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?
decimation: asciilifeform: offer carrot & stick, eventually only carrot is needed?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Due to a lack of beatings, I haven't yet learned Romanian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i srsly doubt iq points measure anything useful.
TomServo: How does beating relate to eating?
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure them, and find that measures correlate
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "through the carrot", for elegance of form :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll bet you you couldn't discern between a well trained and an intelligent creature.
mircea_popescu: see, in your own imagination, which is boundless or close enough, you could.
mircea_popescu: but you're not free, being alive, and in that bound system you don't actually get enough elbow room to really find out.
mircea_popescu: most of the things one identifies as intelligence in the field is actually artfulness.
assbot: How dare the Eric Garner protestors dare try to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating the birth a man who was murdered by the state.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. << bulb battery wire?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure trainable, yet... some fail to rediscover after learning in kindergarden when skill is summoned for video
mircea_popescu: kind bad example cause didn't we discuss this here earlier ?
undata has learned that asciilifeforms reproduce by dividing
BingoBoingo: Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug that could antigonize the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter.
BingoBoingo: Enough varied "trainable" questions though might approximate a test. Approximation probably necessary because jungle conditions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many women do you know that could do this ? and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but look, you're already conceding defeat. why are you building your castle out of my rocks ?
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 15:10:06; asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice'
BingoBoingo: 4-5 prolly. But yeah. May have to concede this point
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of those blinky geomaps, and the only blinky spot is in argentina.
mircea_popescu: well so if all your intelligence is in fact trained, then what are ye bitching about.
mircea_popescu: no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die trying.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest.
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is the common practice is us business to use the word 'training' when they mean 'education'
mircea_popescu: i think this pejorative usage is novel, and not really all that standard yet.
mircea_popescu: dressage has the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english
mircea_popescu: much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where the fuck the control key is and how to make pretty letters on the screen.
mircea_popescu: to the ignorant, there's little difference between circus seal being trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page.
mircea_popescu: same thing, for the exact reason you don't see much reading on tv.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why people readily imagine training a woman to think with whip in hand and training a woman to dance whip in hand are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that the first's entirely negative (don't do this. don't do that. don't do the other. do something) while the latter's entirely positive. (do like this and like this and so on)
mircea_popescu: as a result, there's nothing fucking scarier than the former known to man.
mircea_popescu: what else ? first you gotta teach her to rule over her emotions, then gotta teach her the modes of logical failure of teh brain, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think intelligence is other than the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in the psychocrosstalk ?
mircea_popescu: one can train to build muscle by himself. one can also train to comprehend the torah by oneself.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather than compound.
mircea_popescu: same reason braided rope is stronger than straight rope.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thus understood, you will find that a woman trained to be intelligent, irrespective of iq, is quite to your liking, whereas one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable.
mircea_popescu: da fuck you care whether she can do heisenberg matrix calc in her head or not, really.
mircea_popescu: "I seem to be doing a lot of hyperproductive things lately: explaining to people how to kill the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing the way English literacy is taught to both native English speakers and the rest"
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, intelligent people want to go a direction ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we progressed past the classical philosophy of either rome or the east. a well.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, given that intelligence is to be measured in tsyans,
mircea_popescu: for our esl (english as a single language) friends : мили́ция = mili-tsya
mircea_popescu:
http://sov.ro/ << romanian pseudo-tycoon (the sort of derps that live off govt spending in cvasi-socialist states), meanwhile convicted and eventually released from jail, started his own blog.
gernika: mircea_popescu are you referring to logical fallacies by 'modes of logical failure'? Also, by learning to control your emtions, I assume you don't mean learning to meditate.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ? << maybe he got made, and so now teh fsb is no longer interested in what was a marginal asset anyway ?
mircea_popescu: gernika not just, but sure. also, i don't care about form. if meditation works all the better.
gernika: mircea_popescu ah so also cognitive biases.
decimation: asciilifeform: is it fcc class b licensed_
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read it on your platform than on some bezzlatron platform. is that so bad ?
mircea_popescu: off-topic is an idiocy anyway. you're writing it, you're the topic, how the fuck could it be "off-topic"
BingoBoingo: Isn't off topic what's been sustaining it these last few years, and even off topic still makes a case for loper
mircea_popescu: they'd love to, of course, for the obvious reason. unsheathe that.
decimation: yeah there's no way it could pass class B without a shield or metal case
BingoBoingo imagines if asciilifeform became diabetic he'd keep his own pig for the insulin.
decimation: only need to have antenna outside, and maybe only partially that
BingoBoingo would probably keep his own insulin pig as well, can't judge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you can't run it because bus speed right ?
decimation: asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket
decimation: for fear that 'citizens' might make use of them in a way they see fit
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket << What, like my laptop wifi card has??
decimation: yes, but the fig leaf that covers this is that they are typically 'reverse threaded' from the standard socket
BingoBoingo: the internal mini-pci-e deal with the adorable micro-coax or whatever they call it
decimation: everyone can tell themselves that they couldn't possibly buy a reverse-thread sma connector
mircea_popescu: i unscrewed so many antennae off wired-only "wireless-capable" routers...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still only solves the antenna rather than sanity problem
mircea_popescu: decimation alternatively, you could hit it once with a hammer and make contacts directly eh
decimation:
http://www.rfcoaxconnectors.com/Technical_wifi-interface.htm << "In addition to specialized interfaces which are relatively new to the coaxial market, such as DMX, MC Card, MHF, there are variations on standard RF connectors styles which satisfy FCC Part 15 and 802.11 requirements. The most popular method used to achieve compliance has been to create reverse polarity, or gender, versions of BNC, MCX, MMCX, N, SMA, SMB, SSMB and TNC
decimation: connectors. You will also find reverse, or left-handed thread versions of N, SMA and TNC connectors."
decimation: the FCC demands that you reverse thread the connector so you couldn't plug your 1 watt router into a 30 dB amplifier
decimation: asciilifeform: was there actually a serial console present or was it a bootloader?
decimation: asciilifeform: they throw in trash and burn more money
mircea_popescu: srsly, you can't plug it in because it's reverse threaded ?!
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, one can buy such connectors
decimation: but it 'satisfies' usg requirements to make it 'difficult'
decimation: it would be nearly unbelievable if usg weren't involved
decimation: there are many such capitulations to reality involved with usg 'regulation'
mircea_popescu: for instance : through a surgical intervention mandatory in schools for girls aged 12, they could reverse the asshole and vulvar opening.
decimation: well, I'm certain that some organ of usg would claim victory under such conditions
decimation: that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section."
decimation: this is literally the bread-and-butter of the usg regime
mircea_popescu: basically, they made a ruling for a purpose. then industry lobbied on the basis of cost.
joecool: hey mp, can you make assbot only use notices instead of msg? I know the ddos is a pain in the ass but if someone is unlikely to respond to notice, they are unlikely to respond to privmsg as well
mircea_popescu: joecool i dun has anything to do with it, but kakobrekla might be able to help.
decimation: of course there is a small cottage industry selling reversed parts
joecool: mircea_popescu: sry, thought you maintained assbot... i'll bug kakobrekla when he's around
BingoBoingo: Would be much better if included random kako jokes. kako jokes are the best
decimation: asciilifeform: how did get from 'working ttl serial port' to running bootrom?
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can do aes on it and try to use a microphone to do side-channel
joecool: mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter too much though, i like this channel
joecool: luke should talk more, that's always entertaining
decimation: xinxiwang: do you often encounter gerkas on patrol in sg?