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decimation: mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor's_residence_drug_raid << actually this has already been done
assbot: Berwyn Heights, Maryland mayor's residence drug raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXMQto )
BingoBoingo working on qntra heroin store joejob piece
BingoBoingo: !up xinxiwang
xinxiwang: thanks
xinxiwang: is there Japanese here?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: don't see much japanese here
Vexual: !s magicaltux
assbot: 105 results for 'magicaltux' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=magicaltux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00037145 = 11.7564 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: toyotas up tho
decimation: ;;lastseen magicaltux
gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
Vexual: no last
Vexual: ;;last magicaltux
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
asciilifeform: decimation: mayor raid << this was right where i lived at the time.
asciilifeform: didn't see it, but read in local rag.
Vexual: ;;seen magicaltux
gribble: I have not seen magicaltux.
asciilifeform: they machine-gunned his dog.
mircea_popescu: decimation sure.
decimation: asciilifeform: you and the mayor prefer the ghetto :)
mircea_popescu: <decimation> like, you leave package on the postman's door? << pay homeless dude 10 bux ?
mircea_popescu: xinxiwang nope. are you japanese ?
decimation: maybe usg pays him 20
Vexual: sg
xinxiwang: no, I am chinese
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah. right.
asciilifeform: 'We've apologized for the incident, but we will never apologize for taking drugs off our streets. Quite frankly, we'd do it again. Tonight.'
decimation: lol
mircea_popescu: aka "we had fun, fuck you"
asciilifeform: aha.
Vexual: xinxiwang, why so many bitcoiners in sg?
xinxiwang: maybe singapore is a good place for bitcoin business.
xinxiwang: the government follows the law strictly. they don’t ban it.
xinxiwang: they cannot ban it.
decimation: xinxiwang: are people in the prc generally able to hold bitcoin?
asciilifeform: even in usa, can hold bitcoin.
xinxiwang: surely they can.
asciilifeform: even in auschwitz, if it were built again.
decimation: xinxiwang: what about the exchanges that were shut down?
asciilifeform: fat lot of good 'holding' does, though.
xinxiwang: which one was shut down?
decimation: asciilifeform: good point
xinxiwang: btcchina? okcoin?
decimation: yeah
xinxiwang: none of them was shut down.
decimation: I guess they were forced to not accept bank transfers right?
xinxiwang: oh yeah, they have some other ways.
xinxiwang: it does not really matter.
decimation: xinxiwang: is there a functioning over-the-counter market in the prc for bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: "In 2009 Mayor Cheye Calvo proposed a measure that would require every Maryland police department that operates a SWAT team to submit biannual reports on its activities, including where and when it was deployed and whether an operation resulted in arrests, evidence seizures, or injuries."
mircea_popescu: heh.
xinxiwang: I guess no.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> even in usa, can hold bitcoin. << SO far I can even transact.
asciilifeform: difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm.
decimation: mircea_popescu: tally how many dogs killed?
mircea_popescu: i guess lol.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm. << USG dealing with CHina and Russia, won't seize but torch. Owner torches.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, a lot more swat derps need to be kiled on a daily basis, to balance that shit out.
Vexual: dow jones industrial all time high
asciilifeform: !s solzhenitsyn axe
assbot: 6 results for 'solzhenitsyn axe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=solzhenitsyn+axe
asciilifeform: not one dead swat man afaik. not in recent years.
decimation: mircea_popescu: that facebook post above demonstrates there are those who fantasize about doing exactly that I think
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. kinda the problem.
asciilifeform: the ss man is bold precisely because impunity.
mircea_popescu: nothing worse than an aparatchick with a delusion of invulnerability.
asciilifeform: if there were danger, he would be a coward, like usa in iraq.
BingoBoingo: SWAT man's advantage in the US is practice
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, considering the line of work, a 2-3 year average lifespan for anyone involved would be reasonable.
asciilifeform: machine gun a hunting dog? sure. good sport, apparently.
asciilifeform: i bet they skinned, tanned the hides.
asciilifeform: trophy heads on wall.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'd personally hold on to acquitting anyone accused of shooting a swat derp, if in his home.
mircea_popescu: just on a general "well, vote for the underdog" thing.
Vexual: australia gets a lot more people shot in their kitchen for holding a kitchen knife than americaz
asciilifeform: if this becomes a plausible thing, jury trial will be abolished in usa.
mircea_popescu: so let it be abolished lol.
mircea_popescu: take the 2-3year average lifespan to 16 monts, what of it.
asciilifeform: presently it's a useful propaganda tool - usg picks pliant juries reliably, gives extra spray paint coating of 'legitimacy' to everything the courts do.
decimation: I donno, if jury trial is abolished, one might find many more declared and undeclared 'oath keepers' come out of the woodwork
mircea_popescu: decimation like one did when patriot didn't sunset, right ?
mircea_popescu: country of cowards will straigthen in teh grave.
asciilifeform: this is one reason it is kept. because the supply of pliant cattle is bottomless.
decimation: how does one swat raid the swat team?
Vexual: re
BingoBoingo: decimation: How much are you bidding for the job?
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is why 'fergusons' are created.
asciilifeform: the very thing that keeps average usaschwitz inmate from wishing for dead swat men
asciilifeform: they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde.
asciilifeform: see also mr. mold's 'dalits', and 'yi yi zhi yi.'
Vexual: do i mell tanqueray?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde. << Very true in the case of Ferguson particulars
asciilifeform: more of a generalized hypothesis.
Vexual: jack daniels?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem here is that you're thinking this in terms of perception,
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah which is why the 'oath keepers' who appeared were a serious threat
decimation: !up xinxiwang
mircea_popescu: while it's not much a matter of perception. pure thermodynamics.
Vexual: legioinaires get a passport
Vexual: but you don't get to pretend
decimation: if the 'oath keepers' demostrate that peace can be kept without swat/usg/fed/bureaucracy, 'people' might get the wrong idea
decimation: the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary
decimation: that and to distract from the fact that obama & the dems lost big "we lost but whitey is still racis!!!"
BingoBoingo: decimation> the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary << Hilary's not running. Jim Webb.
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: decimation listen, the market in security is such that various groups always tend to posture as you know
decimation: meanwhile on the other side of the river: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html "St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson spoke with residents at the street protest Sunday night. He said he was sorry about what happened and sought to reassure people the killing did not appear motivated by race or ethnicity."
assbot: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRgv1t )
mircea_popescu: "we're the one you need to pay for rain and sunshine"
mircea_popescu: this is the original spark of mob turf wars, too. it's basically free money.
asciilifeform: if a sparrow farts in rural wyoming, it is provably racially motivated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends on the races involved.
asciilifeform: any and all.
mircea_popescu: nah, bosnian dude was kinda off-white but not dark enough.
asciilifeform: aha - racial.
BingoBoingo: I honestly think is was stupid for a mixed gang of Hispanics and Black americans to pick on the Bosnians for lacking melanin.
mircea_popescu: im sure they picked on them over disagreements as to how to treat bitchez.
BingoBoingo: In St Louis the Bosnians benefit from geographic concentration and the part where "white" people love living in bosnian neighborhoods
decimation: apparently this video was taken shortly after the Bosian was attacked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIPZ09WcTWk
assbot: Hammers Attack Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygkK4u )
BingoBoingo: My brother the Dentist in little Sarajevo in St Louis feels safer there than in Gretchen Wilson country where he grew up... largely because he assumes his neighbors are so much more armed.
decimation: here's the ny post coverage. dude looks pretty darn white to me (the guy on the st. louis dispatch story is one of the perps) http://nypost.com/2014/12/01/teens-savagely-beat-man-with-hammers-in-random-attack/
assbot: Protests in St. Louis after teens ‘bash man to death’ with hammers | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygloPx )
BingoBoingo: A lot of people in the region won't admit it, but yes Bosnians are very white and this worries them.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the fear being that the Bosnians didn't get the memo that they supposed to do whatever usg or the local thugs demand?
asciilifeform: see also chechens.
asciilifeform: u.s. chechen community - remembers.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The fear that people who aren't white are so pissed at whites they are targeting people most whites don't consider white in spite of optics
decimation: asciilifeform: us chechens probably aren't a fan of usg either
asciilifeform: probably?!
decimation: heh
decimation: such a grand strategy usg undertook, to import all of its enemies worldwide and make them citizens so we could all love them with socialism
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F9SBFM.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 1
asciilifeform: their job was to keep rural usa down.
asciilifeform: so far, still performing admirably.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
decimation: yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way
mircea_popescu: so google decided spontaneously to redirect me to argentina google.
mircea_popescu: turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch
mircea_popescu: still, annoying shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.00036354 = 10.6564 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.
mircea_popescu: they love the russians, too.
BingoBoingo still amazed white StL people don't realize that bosnians are what keep south city habitable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down.
mircea_popescu: rurality is a dead duck everywhere and in all times.
asciilifeform: homo redditicus has no idea what keeps his habitat habitable until - isn't
asciilifeform: dead duck with one trump card - the food.
decimation: yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural
decimation: there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...
asciilifeform: until RuBisCo is fixed and you can grow five men's bread in a pot in the cellar under grow lamp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform food hasn't been a serious geopolitical issue since about 1600.
mircea_popescu: i guess it matters in africa or w/e.
asciilifeform: decimation: see 'death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)
decimation: I have it next to me
decimation: no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box
asciilifeform: point is, city man must subjugate plow man - to live.
asciilifeform: the latter needs nothing from the former.
asciilifeform: as true now as in babylon.
decimation: asciilifeform: except historically the city man own's the country man's plows & fields
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
asciilifeform: owns - right.
mircea_popescu: dude this is like saying guy has to "subjugate" woman, as she needs nothing etc.
mircea_popescu: if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.
mircea_popescu: "need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.
asciilifeform: folks line up to be subjugated.
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release.
asciilifeform: but this is perhaps the only thing they 'need' here.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-history-heroin-store-joe-job-and-the-bitcointalk-subpoena/
assbot: Bitcoin History: Heroin Store Joe Job and the Bitcointalk Subpoena | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygqaN3 )
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be anymore.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release. << Come one, goats!!!
decimation: note that no one is actually employed plowing anymore, except by usg, and those plows are automated machines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.
asciilifeform: decimation: replaced oxen to subjugate farmer. just like lenin did.
mircea_popescu: the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by
mircea_popescu: that the sheer entertainment value of it al is what motivated 99% of the movement.
asciilifeform: or thought he would love.
mircea_popescu: the remainder... they're a statistic.
mircea_popescu: no, genuinely loved it.
asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's example of hollywood girl.
mircea_popescu: genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.
asciilifeform: but aha, death in the great belomor canal, or in trenches, is exciting. wish i had some right now.
mircea_popescu: the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it
BingoBoingo: !up xinxiwang
mircea_popescu: it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.
decimation: actually the few farm folks I knew generally loved the farm, hated the city
mircea_popescu: "soviets are a fairytale come true"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'мы рождены чтоб сказку сделать былью!'
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a very specific thing, tho. rural russian kid cca 1920.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksh308RiGzM
assbot: Мы рождены, чтоб сказку сделать былью - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmgwb )
mircea_popescu: decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.
decimation: heh okay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
decimation: a modern us farmer is basically a machinist/engineer
asciilifeform: lol, german version
decimation: they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment
mircea_popescu: or w/e, http://trilema.com/2010/lich/
assbot: Lich pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmrYg )
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbW_JaCm05A << orig.
assbot: Авиамарш "Всё выше" Soviet Air Force March - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRmu6m )
BingoBoingo: !up toffoo
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on other side of the bering straits, http://i.imgur.com/H4V6RJs.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygs1kR )
asciilifeform: lol!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00037638 = 1.769 BTC [+]
decimation: maybe he was one of the famous 'bums of san francisco' who mistook the escalator for a toilet http://heavy.com/news/2012/07/transit-escalators-clogged-with-insane-amounts-of-human-turd/
assbot: San Fran Escalators Clogged w/ Insane Amounts of Human Turd | Heavy.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygsFyT )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjF7PcVKYho
assbot: Мёртвая страна. 20 лет без СССР - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygtyY6 )
mircea_popescu: !up astRocreep
decimation: http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/30/spike-in-russian-air-force-activity-in-europe-may-be-a-reaction-to-large-us-strategic-command-bombers-exercise/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygumfC )
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17gvKbhVeA
assbot: Russia’s nuclear sub test-fires Bulava strategic missile - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguxYt )
asciilifeform: ^ they are conducting a whole series of made-for-youtube 'yeah they still work motherfuckers' tests.
decimation: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/russian-bombers-buzz-us-defense-systems-coast-cali/?page=all
assbot: Russian bombers buzz U.S. defense systems off coast of California - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguE6a )
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFx3gLs9K74 << from inside
assbot: Bulava Test: First footage inside nuclear submarine launching missile - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguKLh )
mircea_popescu: lol bulava stil lfire ?!
mircea_popescu: ahahah
mircea_popescu: lol nice static.
asciilifeform will be more convinced once ru demonstrates a still-functioning nuke
decimation: 'tzar bomba'?
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the bulava pose any sort of threat to anyone these days tho.
asciilifeform: of any size
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like firing a tank in slow motion at someone.
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, if they wait for it they'll get crushed.
asciilifeform: perfectly ordinary ballistic rocket.
asciilifeform: what's the slow part?
mircea_popescu: half the planes in active duty can shoot one down ?
decimation: ???
asciilifeform: point of firing from sub
asciilifeform: yes, rocket on launch pad - can be shot with rifle.
asciilifeform: no airplane needed
asciilifeform: but put the rifleman there first.
mircea_popescu: afaik the classical approach mostly intercepts them at perihelion
decimation: like, in space?
asciilifeform: classical approach also has the rocket traverse from wherever to washington in 30 min.
asciilifeform: as many as required.
asciilifeform: (and conversely)
decimation: yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase
asciilifeform: see also the american 'domino's pizza' bunker door ad.
asciilifeform: can fire death rays at falling cones but this is what the decoy barrels are for.
BingoBoingo: Another /. submission http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4029519
assbot: Bitcoin History: A Reverse Joe Job and A Subpoena - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxisy )
decimation: right, and death rays are also terribly common
decimation: err, not terribly common
asciilifeform: in usa, fascination with death rays
asciilifeform: potential of absorbing infinite money, the real military win.
mircea_popescu: anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.
decimation: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/missiles-wmds/what-terminal-velocity-icbm-11609/ << "This 1963 RAND study suggests typically between 7.5 and 9.5 km/s depending on atmospheric entry angle and certain individual boost phase parameters."
assbot: What is a terminal velocity of an ICBM? - Defense Technology & Military Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxvMp )
mircea_popescu: so your "i'll trust them when they use one" is kinda an unfairly distant bridge.
asciilifeform: rocket is a 'memento mori.'
asciilifeform: for otherwise-ineducable imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: decimation terminal velocity is not the point.
mircea_popescu: at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.
BingoBoingo always imagined a perfect "nuclear power" untouchable datacenter would target DC, Beijing, Moscow, and Mecca for its dead hand protocol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 24 decoy cones. sop.
mircea_popescu: even so.
asciilifeform: mr bush's bezzlemeisters were unable to reliably pop even one - and fitted with beacon at that.
decimation: also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)
asciilifeform: the entire subject quietly went away.
asciilifeform: decimation: the traditionally beloved pill is particle weapons
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1
assbot: Boeing YAL-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRqZxU )
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there
asciilifeform: decimation: notice - intended to shoot opponent's rocket during launch.
asciilifeform: not fall.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which lonely place was that video about?
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, this seems like a more likely attack method honestly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all of them.
BingoBoingo: Damn
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo can make similar film about usa.
asciilifeform: no shortage of towns.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One was already made, torrent "Birth of a Nation" Next step has yet to be made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point is not that it is physically impossible to shoot a falling cone. but that it is a thermodynamic race that the rocket man - wins. and the death ray man - loses.
asciilifeform: because of sheer difference in complexity and cost.
asciilifeform: see also thread:
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#488934
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.
mircea_popescu: death rays aren't really going anywhere, but anyway
BingoBoingo: Shhh....
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with
mircea_popescu: but it won't be this magical laser thing
BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Seriously epic dream.
BingoBoingo: Lizard hitler has nothing on hawk hitler... dunno I want to disclose how I ended in that scenario...
BingoBoingo: !up xinxiwang
BingoBoingo: !up warptangent
asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/kvm5c1dMmFo?t=4m42s
assbot: Ракетные войска стратегического назначения. www.voenvideo.ru - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pRvYyo )
asciilifeform: ^ another rocket ad
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What are the rought loper-os dreams after Chicom memresistors?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dream will be for next fella.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You'll live long enough for that.
BingoBoingo: Never underestimate chicom appropriation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.1 = 7 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00036071 = 10.8934 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.msg9725230#msg9725230
assbot: DPR subpoena ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcfQf5 )
BingoBoingo: ^If notary were here would be entered into the record.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9460 @ 0.00036071 = 3.4123 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: bed time
Vexual: huh?
Vexual: i get kicked for smoking a reefer now?
Vexual: oh wait, im still here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43685 @ 0.00034269 = 14.9704 BTC [-]
Vexual: thats confucingly fair
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23342 @ 0.00035122 = 8.1982 BTC [+]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DjpNgrocKo everclear heroiin girl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18055 @ 0.0003519 = 6.3536 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.7099
assbot: [1411.7099] The Miner's Dilemma ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcLUPR )
RagnarDanneskjol: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2531518
assbot: The Political Economy of Bitcoin by Josh Hendrickson, Thomas L. Hogan, William J. Luther :: SSRN ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcM2Pl )
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/australian-big-four-attempt-to-build-real-time-payment-work-again/
assbot: Australian "Big Four" Attempt To Build Real Time Payment Work.. Again | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMY7X2 )
cazalla: soz for more aussie spam :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00035198 = 3.3438 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release <<< plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking!
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, first beyond me, second looks interesting
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "<davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?" <<< didn't say there shouldn't be a maturity date, i said trading should be continuous
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: cazalla plowking
nubbins`: alternating 3ds pokemon with decapitating bunnies
nubbins`: and projecting latent anger at his wife
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00035504 = 9.1423 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol looks beautiful
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: newspaper purchaser is AWOL
nubbins`: giving him 24h to pony up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00035926 = 7.9756 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/riot-torn-ferguson-s-distrust-of-police-flows-from-a-city-run-on-fines-1.2858208
assbot: Riot-torn Ferguson's distrust of police flows from a city run on fines - World - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/15ONEly )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00036096 = 2.2019 BTC [+]
jurov: ben_vulpes mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation (but the dns didn't propagate yet)
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: taken without the 'the' ?
jurov: yes. everything bitcoin. and btc. taken (except btc.yt which is mine)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2350 @ 0.00119998 = 2.82 BTC [+]
mod6: nice! i like btc.yt too, just because it's short.
jurov: when entlds started, i applied for some bitcoin.something but registrar considers it trademark
kakobrekla: bitcoin.hiv is free
jurov: *newtlds started
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6276 @ 0.00119999 = 7.5311 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: they asked some documents to prove i'm owner, so i let it go
punkman: bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation
nubbins`: heh
jurov: anyone who has a registrar who doesn't give a fuck about trademarks, go ahead
nubbins`: incidentally, http://bitcoin.foundation
assbot: The No Bitcoin Foundation Page | We support the separation of Bitcoin and the Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/12n3FN9 )
jurov: well, if we have someone with +9 diplomacy skill.. try to turn them over?
punkman: register bitcoin founation trademark, try to steal it?
jurov: what?
nubbins`: https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/white-woman-trayvon-martin.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykyNdg )
davout: punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek
mod6: lel
BingoBoingo: <davout> punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek << Point to different scamsite every week.
punkman: "art installation"
punkman: foundation should fund it
BingoBoingo: Maybe load scamsite of the week in an iframe below a banner that says "Lol, cocks. HIV!"
punkman: could also host "Bitcoin HIV Awards"
BingoBoingo: Top Scam 2012 goes to Pirateat40
kakobrekla: hiv as Highly UnValuable
kakobrekla: ?
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: that doesnt work lol
kakobrekla: i mean, it stands for something other than hiv no?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
kakobrekla: InValuable is what i mean i guess
BingoBoingo: Harrowing InVestment scam?
jurov: https://tld.hiv/en
assbot: The .hiv domain – Your digital Red Ribbon | tld.hiv ... ( http://bit.ly/11U6zcj )
punkman: invaluable is a good thing
kakobrekla: is it?
jurov: yes, like priceless
kakobrekla: well fuck me then
jurov probes kakobrekla's orifices
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: ill allow it this time.
punkman: you were asking for it
kakobrekla: if i say i didnt id admit to being raped
jurov: you'll like it :>
jurov: mircea_popescu knows when to walk on us in
jurov: ohai
mircea_popescu: lol hi ?
BingoBoingo: lol https://imgur.com/I36GOfL
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykFCvf )
nubbins`: it's like inflammable
nubbins`: which means... flammable
kakobrekla: jurov do you know why trezor guys went with "m/44'/0'/0'/0/0"
punkman: because crazy
kakobrekla: hm?
jurov: ask slush or st|ck
jurov: they answer on #bitcoin.cz sometimes
kakobrekla: oki ty
jurov: and..care to explain why's that a problem?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what could possibly go wrong.
BingoBoingo: The fish get constipated?
kakobrekla: its not a problem.
BingoBoingo: Could be a big problem. Constipation is a leading killer of goldfish.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: punkman dude srsly, where do i link to stuff.
mircea_popescu: how long is teh notary gonna be ded ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking! << we'll talk once your kid grows up a little. it's not about you. it's about the Vladimir Lenin All-Union Pioneer Organization.
punkman: mircea_popescu: hoping to get it back up by end of week
mircea_popescu: sooo after mah reporting ends ?
mircea_popescu: looky here : i can't pay teh foundation its tax because i can't link to a justificative document. wtf do i do now ?
punkman: link to logs :P
BingoBoingo: At least not only MPIF has problems http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-01/hedge-funds-see-worst-year-for-closures-since-2009.html
assbot: Hedge Funds Shut as Managers Struggle in Year of Two Percent Returns - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJtIQ )
mircea_popescu: text's not in there sadly.
mircea_popescu: jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 )
punkman: website can go back up if kakobrekla turns it on
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at the job ad on the side of the bloomberg article https://missionessential.csod.com/ats/careersite/JobDetails.aspx?id=14
assbot: Job Details - Empowering People: Mission Essential ... ( http://bit.ly/11UcEFG )
BingoBoingo: Also revisiting the why does AK need rails piece http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/7-G41026.jpg is a commercial product offered for sale
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykL7dk )
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ? << i've got a copy of mine with SHA512
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl )
mircea_popescu: send it to j ?
mod6: jurov: http://dpaste.com/0GS2ZEQ
assbot: dpaste: 0GS2ZEQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykMdWD )
jurov: just send it to btc-dev mailing list
mod6: ok
jurov: will be a good testing sample for piling up the signatures
mod6: I sent it... hmm isn't showing up for me in the archive yet
jurov: invalid signature.. looks like our friend wordwrap
mod6: is it because it wasn't wrapped at 80 cols or whatever?
mod6: ok
mod6: yeah
mod6: f
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
mod6: lemme see if i can arm-wrestle with 'fing-gmail
mircea_popescu: all email gets 80 col wrapped, if the original isn't so wrapped you can't get it to ever verify.
mircea_popescu: mebbe send as attachment ?
jurov: http://btc.yt/declaration.asc
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11UgZbS )
mod6: ok thanks Jurov
jurov: http://btc.yt/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << mod6 read carefully
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11Uh6nQ )
mod6: *nod* sorry, forgot that the orig wasn't wrapped.
jurov: yes, there are ways how to avoid problems described
jurov: lol i realized the foundation's activity last month can be best described as "DNS scavenging"
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/justice-departments-subpoena-to-theymos-of-bitcointalk/
assbot: Justice Department's Subpoena to Theymos of Bitcointalk | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11Ui5EE )
mircea_popescu: ;;seen badon
gribble: badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <badon> Yes, I'm doing that now.
mircea_popescu: this barrier to entry :D
mircea_popescu: it's like the good days of the 90s all over again. "oh, you don't have a computer at home ? THEN YOU CANT PLAY WITH US!"
mircea_popescu: "but but but... i have an atari ?"
mircea_popescu: "bwahahahhhaha"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00035738 = 3.7168 BTC [-]
mod6: ok: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000021.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/11Uk5gc )
mircea_popescu: danke!
mod6: np :]
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5tbg/open_letter_to_gaw_miners_and_josh/
assbot: Open Letter to GAW Miners and Josh : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/11UkoHZ )
BingoBoingo: ^ Guy bought a lot of GAW stuff, now pissed
mircea_popescu: "You have said that you want Paycoin to take over bitcoin a coin that you said you dont believe in"
mircea_popescu: ahaha
jurov: oh mod6 i forgot to suggest to send it as "patch" so that people can just add signatures.. nm, i'll add it there somehow
mircea_popescu: dude such typical scammer behaviour. "set an impossible goal for your ponzi scheme, at least the chumps can then pretend they failed doing something important"
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : idiots defrauded by garza haven't "lost their money trying to take over bitcoin" anymore than the idiots defrauded by buterin & the us propaganda machine through the etherium scam have lost their money "trying to take over bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: you weren't in any sense and at any point trying to "take over bitcoin", or anything else for that matter.
mircea_popescu: you just... gave a scammer... some of your money. because you're stupid. whole story.
danielpbarron: what's the deal with ethereum going to counterparty? I'm curious as to how your short contracts will play out..
mircea_popescu: you mean my short contracts that NOBODY ABSOLUTELY bought ?
danielpbarron: oh i thought one guy did
mircea_popescu: for the reason that you know, nobody absolutely had any ethereum in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: people are internet-interested, which is to say, up until that point when the wallet has to come out.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/12/02/yoan_moncada_is_it_now_legal_for_cuban_ballplayers_to_leave_their_country.html << US office of foreign assets control now impounds and reviews... Baseball players before import
assbot: Yoan Moncada: Is It Now Legal for Cuban Ballplayers to Leave Their Country and Join the Major Leagues? ... ( http://bit.ly/11Umqrp )
mod6: jurov: nice work on your Nov. statement btw. ty!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003575 = 15.7479 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00034967 = 5.857 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: heh i never imagined myself being a beancounter
davout: jurov: you're turning jew
jurov: oh my... even had circumcision
BingoBoingo: Save your self, run to the bacon and ham.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00034299 = 15.1602 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00036096 = 4.7827 BTC [+]
Anduck: !up artifexd
Anduck: oops
Anduck: !up arij
Anduck: arij: you're voiced already
arij: thank you
arij: can some one please point me in the direction of whoever maintains bitcoin-assets.com?
Anduck: i'd guess mircea_popescu
Anduck: or kakobrekla
nubbins`: maybe kakobrekla
nubbins`: various people are in charge of the subdomains
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla runs the main site
nubbins`: WHY DO YOU ASK
arij: thank you
Anduck: why is deeds down?
Anduck: nubbins`: ^ ansawh me
Anduck: you should know !
arij: i wanted to offer hosting on behalf of bitvps for a mirror, or whatever else bitcoin-assets may need
Anduck: who runs deeds anyway?
nubbins`: punkman
kakobrekla: deeds is punkman, search is mthreat the rest is me
nubbins`: and i guess it's having issues
Anduck: what kind of issues
nubbins`: it seems to come and go
arij: hey kakobrekla, pm?
nubbins`: work in progress i guess
kakobrekla: sure
nubbins`: arij doing his part for la serenissima
rithm: nubbins`, i finally bought a mtte and fram for that print
rithm: !
nubbins`: right on!
rithm: i'll send you a pic once it's hung in the studio
nubbins`: some kid named johnny cowabunga bought the rights to use it for an album cover :0
rithm: nice
nubbins`: heh yep
rithm: it's perfect hanging in a music studio then
nubbins`: http://secreteast.ca/2014/10/secret-east-tv-a-night-in-with-jonny-the-cowabungas-a-night-in-live-sessions-episode-2/
assbot: Secret East TV: A Night In With Jonny & The Cowabungas (A Night In Sessions Ep. 2) | Secret East ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0xyE4 )
rithm: i bought the frame and matte for my heisenberg woodcut too
rithm: a bright orange thick matte
rithm: and ornate black wooden frame
nubbins`: woodcuts are nice
rithm: actually it was linoleum
rithm: iirc
rithm: heavy stock though
rithm: 2013 bitcoin black friday 1 of 19
rithm: http://www.prinnnt.com/collections/posters/products/walter-by-tucker-schreiber
assbot: Walter Relief Print by Tucker Schreiber ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0yuIw )
rithm: maybe on 9 of em
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5024 @ 0.00021 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: that's really nice
kakobrekla: !up arij
jborkl: Hello
jborkl: thanks to the ddos bot, real mature
nubbins`: there's a ddos bot?
nubbins`: XD
jborkl: Any story behind all the SMPOE selling?
BingoBoingo: Not yet
nubbins`: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036449 / 0.00038342 (1070582 shares, 390.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035376 / 0.00041472 (10731263 shares, 3,796.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00045549 / 0.00086038 (29859418 shares, 13,600.91 BTC)
nubbins`: dat 30d
jborkl: They were pushing hard, thats for sure
nubbins`: a better question is: any story behind S.MPOE > 0.8 ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00035103 = 1.1935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00035777 = 19.8383 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/new-york-dfs-publishes-all-bitlicense-comments/
assbot: New York DFS Publishes all Bitlicense Comments | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygeLS9 )
asciilifeform: 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.'
asciilifeform: ^ lol!
asciilifeform: (first comment)
asciilifeform: 'how the world works!'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00036155 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: a large number appear to be identical.
asciilifeform: 'river of meat' campaign ?
BingoBoingo: Many lols indeed, but I really dun want to test the limits of how far a blockquote tage can be stretched...
asciilifeform: not readable on account of meat puppets.
asciilifeform: try it.
asciilifeform: somebody (does anyone give a shit?) could crawl the thing and deduplicate.
TomServo: I seem to recall someone publishing a form letter to be sent to Lawlsky; I wouldn't be surprised by tons of dupes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32634 @ 0.00036165 = 11.8021 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/GkSO4PZ << for BingoBoingo, other jungle men
assbot: thermocouple - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/12vuTlI )
asciilifeform: http://islandbreath.blogspot.com/2011/05/tyranny-of-temporary.html << crackpot article with better photo of above
assbot: Ea O Ka Aina: The Tyranny of the Temporary ... ( http://bit.ly/12vw4lm )
asciilifeform: these were pre-peltierjunction devices. dissimilar metals / seebeck's effect.
asciilifeform: greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason.
undata: oh linux configuration management tools, the wrong solution to the wrong problem...
undata: burn it to the ground; this field can't be saved
asciilifeform: for serious thermocouple folks: http://www.neazoi.com/technology/thermocouple.htm
assbot: neazoi ... ( http://bit.ly/1yhxh7Z )
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
BingoBoingo: tap natural gas storage salt dome, build tower of fire, power miners in hedgehog
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel.
BingoBoingo: Sure, for whoever put the gas there
asciilifeform: this is more of a shortwavecoin apocalypse gizmo.
BingoBoingo: But if you want to broadcast, same solution... tower of fire
asciilifeform: tower of fire << for smoke signals - sure
asciilifeform: for thermocouples - you want more of a potbelly stove, with long chimney
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00036861 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah
undata: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste << yes but tower of fire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00036896 = 8.2278 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base
BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/12/03/1759238/twitter-should-use-random-sample-voting-for-abuse-reports << Person encourages twitter to go to a still darker side
assbot: Twitter Should Use Random Sample Voting For Abuse Reports - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yguGQp )
undata: BingoBoingo: that's clever, get the peasants to silence each other
BingoBoingo: Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already
asciilifeform: if interesting, get the fuck out of kolkhoz ('twitter', arsebook, etc.) and on real www
BingoBoingo: Thing was moderately interesting as RSS for dummies, but...
BingoBoingo: Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies
BingoBoingo: But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted
BingoBoingo: Now the entire internet from 1999 on needs to be tossed to fix the problem
asciilifeform: !?
undata: rss is still working just fine for me
BingoBoingo: What was wrong with excite.com and yahoo as a phone book?
undata: if we're hitting reset on things, can I have a computer too?
asciilifeform: phone book ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees
undata: on this alt-history internet, can we have a lisp instead of JS?
BingoBoingo: Why not?
asciilifeform: directory of what, and by whom ?
dignork: Lovely - Amazon tries to keep out of bitlicense: http://www.dfs.ny.gov/legal/vcrf_0500/20141020%20VC%20Proposed%20Reg%20Comment%20139%20-%20Amazon.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxGfS )
asciilifeform: i propose now a new and improved tax for usg: the -shitlicense-.
asciilifeform: no one may take a shit without paying. per gram.
asciilifeform: considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense'
undata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-G4HATiC8
assbot: TSA Eric Cartman "Toilet Safety Administration" Gerald Broflovski - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygxQ6V )
asciilifeform: you read it here phirst (tm)
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3AKGKTW.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 6
undata: this blackjack and hookers browser has no DOM, no filthy CSS
undata: you get a canvas
asciilifeform: undata: the whole concept of 'web browser' is ultimately braindamaged. see one of my articles - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/11VMIcS )
undata: asciilifeform: "It’s maybe what happens when physicists decide to play with computers, I’m not sure." << hear hear
undata: then we try to bastardize the thing into an actual programming environment
undata: I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath
BingoBoingo: Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol
undata: asciilifeform: he mentions X; I've pondered coming up with a little protocol to talk to a canvas tag with
asciilifeform: canvas tag?
asciilifeform: do i even want to know.
BingoBoingo: No, you don't
undata: asciilifeform: a box you can either draw in 2D upon, or stick webgl in
asciilifeform: an 'html5'-ism ?
undata: I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it
asciilifeform: reminds me of something i wrote once: a kind of simple 'lisp machine' in 'adobe flash' bytecode. never published, because realized that the whole idea is braindamaged and will encourage further braindamage if anyone were to use it
undata: asciilifeform: haha, clojurescript is a clojure -> JS compiler
undata: abstractions atop abstractions atop ...
undata: asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"
asciilifeform: afaik there is still no www browser that correctly implements the whole pile of shit as an invariant
undata: I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan
undata: for their OS
asciilifeform: that is, with a hard guarantee of no deviation whatsoever between versions and platforms
undata: every release adds more "OS" stuff
asciilifeform: not one pixel's worth
jurov: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...
jurov: ... for desert ariculture
undata: asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen
asciilifeform: folks who write spec often forget that a spec is a cheque that someone's pair of hands needs to cash
asciilifeform: or it's empty words.
asciilifeform: http://arrdem.com/2014/11/28/the_future_of_the_lispm << unrelated mega-lol
assbot: The Future of the LispM · f $ [T, T] → T ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygzCFa )
asciilifeform: author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored.
asciilifeform: if he's in here, let him speak up!
joecool: so sensational
asciilifeform: (no one bothered to tell me about the piece, i ran into it by sheer accident.)
asciilifeform: possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in.
asciilifeform: snore.
undata: I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in
asciilifeform: 'figuring out rocket engines is hard work. let's pile more bricks on this here tower of babel. so what if it's already prolapsed in ten thousand places. more bricks, more chairs, old cars, corpses of slaves. big enough river of meat - we shall go to victory. come join my river of meat.' -- summary of this and 100+ similarly idiotic answers to my articles.
undata: asciilifeform: somebody has to organize it, and fund it
undata: otherwise, shit pile
asciilifeform: if >1 head - shitpile.
asciilifeform: i stand by this.
undata: yeah, I can see that
asciilifeform: in practice, a handful of people can be involved, but result must be a 1-head item.
undata: can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: chuck moore did this with forth.
asciilifeform: the trick is to realize how many of the 'mandatory' features are actually anything but.
asciilifeform: required reading: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/utah2000/utah2000.html
assbot: Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (aka utah2000 or utah2k) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygACcp )
asciilifeform: see the 'standards' section. then - take a piss on it.
asciilifeform: burn it all.
asciilifeform: year zero, motherfuckers.
undata: asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space
undata: but I'm not yet qualified to express that opinion
asciilifeform: because plagiarism and pious fraud works better with serial numbers filed off.
undata: asciilifeform: vaguely lispy functional programming stuff in python, etc
asciilifeform: also because there are armies of imbeciles (and their herders) who 'must stay relevant!' at whatever cost.
asciilifeform: see, e.g, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849
assbot: Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB2PX )
assbot: Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5uY )
assbot: Loper OS » Of Lisp Macros and Washing Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5v4 )
assbot: Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygB5vc )
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 332752 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1903 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32967993286.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -17.59541
mircea_popescu: wouldja look at that.
mike_c: don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00036524 = 2.6688 BTC [-]
undata: asciilifeform: oh dear, yet more to suggest that nobody in this "economy" can think
undata: and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.
asciilifeform: undata: glad you enjoyed. i think there may even be one or two people in #b-a who ended up here on account of it.
undata: what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.
BingoBoingo: The one in Adobe Flash bytecode
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq's the point
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see, the thing about braindamage is that there is always one answer that costs nothing:
asciilifeform: !s nonparticipation
assbot: 6 results for 'nonparticipation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nonparticipation
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774690
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate
asciilifeform: idea is, roughly, 1) to avoid the kinds of participation that can be avoided; and, 2) try to expand the set in (1).
asciilifeform: now, observation: what kind of existing-computing-infrastructure project -is- worth participating in? (voluntarily, rather than because of starvation)
asciilifeform: answer: the kind that -removes- chairs from the babel pile.
asciilifeform: because the larger the pile, the more otherwise-reasonable folks say 'you cannot build a rationally built structure as tall as this pile, as glorious, without using old chairs and dead squirrels'
BingoBoingo: !up markedathome
asciilifeform: so, the bitcoind cleanup thing is conceivably useful, because end result could be the book i asked for, and a year or so from now i (or someone else) can read it, and build rational design.
BingoBoingo: To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is quite mistaken in his picture of the missing parts.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but the thing i personally lack is - elementarily - time.
BingoBoingo: I thought it was sufficiently endowed rocket to enable time and a Yurt.
asciilifeform: well yes.
undata: asciilifeform: 1) sell cardano 2) get rich 3) fix computing
asciilifeform: i'm thick in (1) but 2, 3 are quasi-mythical dream.
asciilifeform: even if everyone suddenly desires to buy one, i half expect to be killed somewhere on the road between 1 and 2.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/
assbot: The Romanian language for other people. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ygCUbw )
mircea_popescu: .1 BTC prize involved.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> some kid named johnny cowabunga bought << nfw ?!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
asciilifeform: i thought everyone knew this (at least, the hypothesis)
asciilifeform: !s egyptian battery
assbot: 0 results for 'egyptian battery' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=egyptian+battery
asciilifeform: damn.
mats_cd03: hi butties
mats_cd03: how are we all doing tonight
asciilifeform: iirc, archaeologists were still holding pissing matches over it.
asciilifeform: ordinary chemical pile, though, based on certain finds
BingoBoingo: Someone graduated from Preet's stable https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/540277211400392704
assbot: You heard it here first: Lead prosecutor on U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's London Whale cases is going to prominent defense firm.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense' <<< lol what, vespasian v2.0 ?
asciilifeform: !s urinetown
assbot: 3 results for 'urinetown' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=urinetown
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2014#944222 [citation needed]
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what else was he going to do you know ?
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: looks like you're planning future work for ro translations of trilema stuff huh?
mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes, pretend like you're a tough ass prosecutor for a few years, get a juicy private practice contract.
asciilifeform: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/parthian_battery.php
assbot: Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Parthian Battery (Ancient Iranians, The Inventors of Battery) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUm61 )
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 playing with things.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Challenge Preet in single's combat to take over as Bezzel Arbiter for Manhattan
mircea_popescu: noty.
mircea_popescu: this is not like saying "go on a blind date with an unqualified woman", but like saying "take a random dude as a slave 5.8mn times"
mircea_popescu: i'd rather drink bleach.
asciilifeform: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baghdad_battery << the mega-skeptics chime in
assbot: Baghdad battery - RationalWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNUGBT )
adlai wonders how sassanid scientists discovered this effect
mircea_popescu: adlai you know how chloroform was discovered ?
adlai: wikipedia might
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: left handed derp broke some lab glass, passed out.
asciilifeform: the 'tingle' hypothesis suggests another likely use.
asciilifeform: did original artifact contain a cock-sized orifice ?
BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.
adlai: "660 000 tonnes per year, and about 90 % of emissions are natural" TIL
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, the girl actually lives and breathes.
mircea_popescu: ", and no ancient electroplated artifacts have been identfied." << bs.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought maybe whoever conquered Tyrone took the women and left the dick girl.
asciilifeform: electroplated artifacts << since found ?
adlai: mircea_popescu: facts don't check out, but 'the story is true': "Chloroform was discovered by accident in 1831 when eccentric American chemist Dr Samuel Guthrie mixed hen house disinfectant with whisky." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20050728.shtml
assbot: BBC - Radio 4 - The Material World 07/04/2005 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNV837 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29041 @ 0.0003618 = 10.507 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pretending like "no X were found" is, you know, whatevs.
asciilifeform: last i recall, they assume 'electroless' plating and rest.
adlai likes the speculation that artifacts throught to be gold are just electroplated
mircea_popescu: right right.
asciilifeform: now, if you find an item that could only have been plated electrically - then.
mircea_popescu: but i don't happen to favour that sort of standard of evidence.
asciilifeform: incas, in particular, were rather handy with electroless plating.
BingoBoingo: OMG eletroplating doubters are like intermediate species doubters
mircea_popescu: im not in the business of proving to a bunch of idiots that they're wrong.
asciilifeform: arguably this got them killed.
mircea_popescu: im in the business of trying to form an idea of wtf happened.
asciilifeform: (how did conquistadors get the idea of massive inca gold? easy - shown outlandish heaps of 'gold' junk. which was in fact plated.)
mircea_popescu: el dorado you mean ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: you know dorado means GILT not golden right ?
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: the gilded [place]
BingoBoingo: More on how the US treats informants http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia
assbot: 'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNVMNX )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i'd posit it has nothing to do with gold, olr with "gems" which they claimed the streets are paved with (most of which - obsydian).
asciilifeform: inception of the notion - nothing to do with anything but the usual avarice
mircea_popescu: it has everything to do with wanting to motivate euros to get the fuck there, much like the wild stories propping up the south sea bubble
mircea_popescu: exactly.
BingoBoingo: Turns out underwear bomber was likely very cooperative because he thought the CIA would bring the FBI in on this whole informant thing.
asciilifeform: but massive piles of possibly-gold kept it going long past expiration date.
mircea_popescu: the ways common psychology works, the ways people motivate themselves to do things they'll do anyway...
mircea_popescu: take woman with cock in her mouth. she's there because "the guy really respects her" right ? and "he has a great sense of humor" right ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice date on article. the only interesting aspect, arguably, is how the whole thing vanished neatly into 'the memory hole' without a trace.
mircea_popescu: not because cock fits quite well in her mouth.
mircea_popescu: just so, these dudes were going there because "el dorado", not because... whatever, empty space.
BingoBoingo: Oh shit!!! asciilifeform Fuck that was a while ago.
undata: however they've done this, bravo...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: informants << ever read 'mother night' (k. vonnegut) ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is also, for the impatient, a mostly-passable film
BingoBoingo: Not yet. Need too. Will look tonight
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo remember that piracy is theft.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't download a car
adlai: "The ‘batteries’ were among objects looted from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad during the invasion by the USA and its allies in 2003. It is not known where they are now or if they even still exist." http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208
assbot: The ‘batteries of Babylon’ | Bad Archaeology ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNWcUL )
asciilifeform: a stooge can have no possible guarantee of not being thrown into the woodchipper at whatever convenient later time by his patron.
BingoBoingo: Who said anything about downloading... It's probably in one of the piles of processed tree corpses in the garage.
asciilifeform: this is what makes him a stooge and not a partner.
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the us warcrimes list includes wartime looting!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNWw5N )
mircea_popescu: such rogue state wow.
asciilifeform: ^ l33t w4r3z
undata: I'm still stuck on the CIA having given a bomb to a guy who boarded a plane
undata: this being public knowledge
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'baghdad battery' is an example of a subject that is virtually impossible to research on the net - on account of it being a favourite of ten thousand kinds of prolix idiot, and consequently shunned by most thinking folks
asciilifeform: sorta like trying to get a sense of the lesser-known work of n. tesla.
asciilifeform: at least with him, a good bit of material survived
asciilifeform: and one can, if so inclined, read it
undata: this inversion of belief and reality...
asciilifeform: !s crank bait
assbot: 15 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait
asciilifeform: ^ full explanation.
asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.
adlai: ditto for studies on the objective and subjective effects of 'oiling' the thinking machine with various alkaloids, terpenoids, etc
asciilifeform: but in such a way that, by professing whatever belief in it, you write yourself out of 'polite society' permanently
asciilifeform: because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like.
adlai: lots of interesting data, and orders of magnitude more nonsense obscuring it
asciilifeform: that's another thing altogether.
undata: what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane
asciilifeform: ^ prime example of 'fda grade-A' crank bait.
undata: there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so
undata: a person who can do that is a danger to everyone
undata: there's a distinction there between one who can lie, and one who doesn't know it's a lie
asciilifeform: the hole was not a secret (not for long, anyway). but anyone of any note, who believed 'his lying eyes' and spoke out in public - is now written out of the script.
asciilifeform: permanently.
asciilifeform: this is among the sharpest and most-used tools in the reptilian toolkit.
asciilifeform: works great.
undata: this, that there's a script which is expected to precede that which my own eyes tell me
undata: the religion rootkit, whatever you want to call that
undata: what troubles me is whether that thing has a legitimate use, or whether there are particular humans that are irredeemably broken
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481991
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 16:46:43; mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600
asciilifeform: does 'the pear' have 'legitimate use' ? what kind of question even is that? matter of taste.
asciilifeform: fact is, if works, will be used.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> fact is, if works, will be used. << so much this
undata: "if works" << that's the whole point, isn't it?
undata: these do not work
asciilifeform: betcha that uterus-extractor works great.
mircea_popescu: <undata> I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-11-2014#936618
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 08:57:03; mircea_popescu: decimation: sign, google or apple, pick your poison <<< yeah, isn't chrome basically one of those spammy "toolbars" they had for netscape that sort-of mutated into being its own browser ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like. << a sword that cuts both ways.
mircea_popescu: <undata> what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane << of course. why not ?
mircea_popescu: undata> there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so << yes. this class of people is called "women".
asciilifeform: or 'all the security cams just happened to fail that day. act of god. whatcha looking at.'
undata: mircea_popescu: dunno, I've met plenty without tits
mircea_popescu: "Then, God be bless'd, it is the blessed sun: but sun it is not, when you say it is not; and the moon changes even as your mind. What you will have it named, even that it is; and so it shall be so for Katharina."
mircea_popescu: tits aren't really required.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it hard to believe us security sucks.
mircea_popescu: i know this from experience, so does anyone else in any way involved with any aspect thereof.
asciilifeform: such on day x, works great on x-1 and x+1, aha.
asciilifeform: *sucks on
mircea_popescu: eh it never worked great.
mircea_popescu: you ever saw asterix & obelix ?
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: when it wants to work - it works.
mircea_popescu: ever wondered how these dudes in their very distinctive gear manage to go in and out of the roman camp ?
asciilifeform: or, also example, the popular image of black-clothed 'ninja'
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: (in actuality - jp theatrical convention, actor in black is shorthand for 'not seen by the others' on stage)
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: anyway, didn't some dude just walk into wh ?
undata: yep
mircea_popescu: after overpowering some chick ?
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: walked in. didn't walk out with anyone's head.
mircea_popescu: the only reason obama doesn't get a glass shard through the eye is that nobody gives a shit about him and his eye
mircea_popescu: not that o noes, sekoority.
mircea_popescu: what security.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because he was just drunk.
asciilifeform: and into wh, filled with muppets, and not into [censored] full of [more-censored]
undata: doesn't this suggest followers which are too sure of "what is" are not good slaves at all?
undata: that was my meandering point above
mircea_popescu: undata there's a reason i dun want new york after all.
asciilifeform: undata: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856661 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2014#856662
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '
danielpbarron: !up BlueMeanie4
undata: asciilifeform: so someone can surely be beaten into this state; what I'm asking is whether they don't become useless as a tool in that state
BlueMeanie4: greetings folks
asciilifeform: when some bozo walks a genuine master key out of ft. meade (and not opsec garbage) - i'll believe the 'poor security.'
danielpbarron: ;;rated BlueMeanie4
gribble: You rated user BlueMeanie4 on Sat Oct 18 13:17:40 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: thinks the WoT should be more like an iPhone; http://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4.
BlueMeanie4: a
BlueMeanie4: haah
undata: If I have mastered 2+2=5, there are things completely out of my reach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt anyone much cares bout teh master key, but anyweay.
BlueMeanie4: Iphone ... as in trendy tracking device?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, i'd enjoy reading, e.g., what the aes weak key class is.
danielpbarron: as in, "user friendly"
asciilifeform: or whether factoring is in p.
BlueMeanie4: ok so it should be un userfriendly?
undata: seems like even, especially, and most importantly 2+2=4 is out of reach
asciilifeform: or which mathemagicians, from what nations, went desaparecido for refusing an offer you can't refuse
mircea_popescu: seems more of a cosmo level interest.
mircea_popescu: "i wanna see kim's underboob"
asciilifeform: i did say 'enjoy' not 'need now'
asciilifeform: if needed this to eat, would've starved.
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, yes -- where "user" means average dummy
asciilifeform: which is precisely the point. none of these jewels ever left the vault.
asciilifeform: their security - worked.
BlueMeanie4: well that aint gonna get ya users now will it? ;)
undata: ^ llooooollll
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so why is this piece supposed to bother you ?
asciilifeform: (allowing also the possibility of copies residing in ru, cn vaults. but notice - their security, in that case, also - by inference - works.)
BlueMeanie4: 'here's our WOT- figger it out bitches!'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in. << more likely assumed you'll see it in your logs.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Well, yes.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 i doubt anyone's much interested in "getting new users". what's wrong with new users getting us ?
BlueMeanie4: mkay
BingoBoingo: Anyone offering odds on whether New York gets riots tonight?
mircea_popescu: define riots.
undata: hood-shopping spree
BlueMeanie4: if they close KFC, yes
asciilifeform: Kakasoft Foundation Classes ?
BlueMeanie4: any Americans in the house?
BlueMeanie4: daniel can tell you what KFC is
asciilifeform: found it. recycled food restaurant.
undata: I bet he can.
BlueMeanie4: the whole thing is a massive media manipulation stunt, seems we get one every few months these days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking something like "Do the right thing" trashcan through windows... prolly at least one good fire.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funny thing is, nyc probably sees the equivalent of five or six 'good riot' every night. just, not all in one street.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meh. more likely, a tweetmeet with some politicos trying to be all you know, talked about.
BingoBoingo: Ah, New York isn't a serious place like St Louis is.
BlueMeanie4: demographically practically different planets
mircea_popescu: reading this steam lispo thing, howdja get so cynical asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid.
mircea_popescu: there IS a differece.
BlueMeanie4: personally, I think Russia has a hand in all this
BingoBoingo: Stupid is as evil does.
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BlueMeanie4: there's a clear agenda here
BlueMeanie4: and its not 'equality'
undata: BlueMeanie4: russia has a hand in what
BlueMeanie4: in engineering these problems
BlueMeanie4: there are plenty of black ppl who think all this is ridiculous
undata: ... what problems, the "riots"?
BlueMeanie4: you just dont hear from those ppl
BlueMeanie4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0bINh22Wc
assbot: Black Teen Tells Ferguson Commission "Darren Wilson Pretty Much Did His Job" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPCz0k )
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: To be fair when the Despots on the UNHCR criticize your human rights record, there may be a problem http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/
assbot: UN Report Criticizes United States on Human Rights | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPCBFl )
undata: are you kidding? these "riots" are the US version of the same festering problems you see anywhere people are rotting in socialist paradise
BlueMeanie4: the UNHCR was invented specifically for Palestinians
asciilifeform: there IS a differece << academic to the fellow sitting on the stake.
undata: there are similar barbarians in UK shitholes
BlueMeanie4: undata- for sure
BlueMeanie4: and there will be riots there too
BlueMeanie4: definitely tensions building up EDL, etc.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> in engineering these problems << the agenda is, "send nuland to dance naked in teh lubyanka. we didn't think the ukraine posturing was funny."
BlueMeanie4: ukraine is perfect example dude
BlueMeanie4: i imagine as a Romanian you are not exactly keen on 'greater Russia'?
mircea_popescu: im not keen on any of the derpy "national sovereigns"
undata: these riots play directly into the US govts desire for ever stricter laws
undata: I don't see why the Russians have to be involved as boogeyman
mircea_popescu: undata stricter laws have a cost.
BlueMeanie4: i think personally they want to bring it to such high crisis level they can totally remake US govt.
undata: mircea_popescu: strategy being to have us strangle ourselves?
BlueMeanie4: the Russians I think are running this
mircea_popescu: here's a pop quiz : would you say the "stricter laws" past 2001 were to the detriment of al-quaeda or to its benefit ?
mircea_popescu: quite exactly that, yes.
undata: oh, to their benefit
mircea_popescu: working splendidly, too.
asciilifeform: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid << is the desire of homo redditicus to be 'relevant!1!!' - at any and all cost to his betters - 'evil' or 'stupid' ? and how does the difference matter?
asciilifeform: is cockroach 'evil' or 'stupid'? how about plague ?
BlueMeanie4: just watch that video i posted. many regular black ppl think this is bogus, but they suppress that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how it matters obviously depends on context, but i was merely discussing the principle.
BlueMeanie4: tells you that the agenda here is something quite different. They WANT tensions- that is the goal
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 that's fairly uncontroversial.
BlueMeanie4: maybe for you, but the average mouthbreathing american goes by TV or Twitter feed
undata: I don't deny that there could be foreign interest in stirring this up, but there's plenty of homegrown entitlement and idiocy to go around too
undata: watching people "protest" in Portand over #fergie was a joke
undata: *land
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, and you want them in the wot???
BlueMeanie4: i think there is a long term plan to break down america
BlueMeanie4: this place has become a !@#$ing nut house in the past 15 years
BlueMeanie4: everyone accept this at this point
undata: the thing that comes after it will be worse.
undata: I'm certain of that
BlueMeanie4: undata, oh im sure about that
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 there are numerous long, middle and short plans to break down anything standing all the time.
BlueMeanie4: true true
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of aureus on your armpit hatching one regarding you, right now.
BlueMeanie4: youre never one to hold back on graphic imagry
mircea_popescu: the important point here isn't that such plans exist, as they always do.
mircea_popescu: the important part here is just how weakly this old man is.
BlueMeanie4: ya but its getting so obvious at this point, many ppl are like- ok whats going to happen now, total breakdown?
undata: that's what I'm anticipating; bezzleland seizes up, and there's a horde of superstitious morons suddenly available as a resource
undata: someone's going to grab that
mircea_popescu: time to jump ship, because the idiots that persist in "working for the government" WILL be hanged.
mircea_popescu: i didn't get too far with my bloodlust in the romanian collapse,
mircea_popescu: but i shan't be denied again.
BlueMeanie4: just the low level morons will get hung
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: the low level morons might escape, maybe
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: That's kinder imagery than the Candida.
mircea_popescu: if they find a tyorne.
BlueMeanie4: MP: ever seen these videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg
assbot: Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society - Complete - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPDDkU )
BlueMeanie4: its edgy but wow, explains a lot if true
mircea_popescu: i dun watch videos.
BlueMeanie4: only IRC
asciilifeform seen. snore.
BlueMeanie4: its just getting totally nuts here, you have to scotch tape the camera on your cell phone so they dont turn it on and record you
BingoBoingo: Spurious meaningless hash: e2686815cd46d6fe0b4212349238868cd8646cda
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: You phone has a camera?
BlueMeanie4: meanwhile the Californians are like: but it's got Flappybird!
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf is this.
BlueMeanie4: actually no, i have a clamshell
BlueMeanie4: when did romania collapse exactly?
BingoBoingo: I alternate between clamshell and candybar with a keyboard for texting bitches
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: Americans are about to get a taste of all this
BlueMeanie4: mostly for the first time in their lives
BlueMeanie4: they've lived in uber-affluence for decades
asciilifeform: taste of what?
asciilifeform: of collapse? plenty savouring the taste as we speak.
asciilifeform: 'you will not know that collapse has happened until it happens to you.' (orlov)
undata: I don't buy that our primary enemy isn't our own CIA.
asciilifeform: !s meta-nsa
assbot: 34 results for 'meta-nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meta-nsa
BlueMeanie4: i like Orlov
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re hyalus flexibile (there's no such thing as flexile, and vitreus -a -um is an adjective in latin, directly mapping on vitreous) : http://www.poezie.ro/index.php/poetry/13925568/index.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPEiCP )
BlueMeanie4: he wrote this great article on 'dofenism' one of my favs
undata: they're going to cause a collapse then their meat-puppet is going to pull an american-flavored hitler
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : architect hired to build monastery, walls keep falling down, builds his young pregnant wife in there, walls stand,
BlueMeanie4: something like that ya
mircea_popescu: king takes stairs away.
BingoBoingo: More spurious hash: ce0f9ddab79c55d0b8ca31252e4f49f262be90b7
mircea_popescu: undata how do you define "primary" ? closest ?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 dec 1989
asciilifeform: ;;google vitrum flexile
gribble: New Flexible Glass Will Significantly Reduce The Cost Of Solar ...: <http://www.industrytap.com/new-flexible-glass-will-significantly-reduce-the-cost-of-solar-panels/11739>; “Flexible” Roman Glass? | Corning Museum of Glass: <http://www.cmog.org/article/flexible-roman-glass>; Flexible glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_glass>
mircea_popescu: shrug.
undata: mircea_popescu: the enemy which is opening the orifices through which our other enemies are barging in
mircea_popescu: undata you know, tyrone is not your enemy.
asciilifeform: http://books.google.com/books?id=jIQCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA372&lpg=PA372&dq=vitrum+flexile&source=bl&ots=ISyiWf4qVt&sig=-DRhWHSfwpu_Lis_-Nv4XBdp_X8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0ad_VKbZHsSLyATxzIGIBQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=vitrum%20flexile&f=false
assbot: C. Plini Secundi Naturalis historiae libri xxxvii., recens. et comm ... - Pliny (the Elder.) - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcrcQ )
mircea_popescu: eh bloody hell.
BlueMeanie4: 1989? here's what we were doing http://media.giphy.com/media/xDrn9oG797R96/giphy.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcuW4 )
mircea_popescu: yeah, flexile esset works.
BlueMeanie4: the disparity in attitudes is just tremendous
BlueMeanie4: California in particular is going to be a huge mess. they can't pay their bills esp pensions and social services, politicians keep passing the buck
BlueMeanie4: then you talk to a californian, and it's like : NEW BMW! something is very wrong here
undata: BlueMeanie4: http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/study-offshore-fault-where-big-one-originates-eerily-quiet
assbot: Study: Offshore Fault Where The 'Big One' Originates Eerily Quiet | NW News Network ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcPrK )
undata: maybe that'll take care of the west coast (and me along with it!)
undata: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess it can work as glass too. the noun i only knew as woad, paint.
mats_cd03: california's getting fixed, slowly. legislature's getting their shit together, but who knows if its enough
BlueMeanie4: oh ya, the ppl who live in the interior LOVE earthquakes
BlueMeanie4: they dont come out and say it but they all silently hope California falls into the ocean
BlueMeanie4: getting fixed? haha
BlueMeanie4: let me guess - you live therE?
mats_cd03: earthquakes don't have anything to do with governance
mats_cd03: i lived there for several years
BingoBoingo: Now Illinois, that's a quality mess.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516&cpage=1#comment-1842 << gotta love this.
assbot: Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/12wdeKW )
mircea_popescu: "how do you avoid screwing over idiots ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno... why would i ?
BlueMeanie4: basically the whole country is a mess
mats_cd03: what a novel thought.
BingoBoingo: Now that the governor elect here in Illinois is getting briefed on how fucked the state is, I'm thinking he might quit before he can get sworn in.
mircea_popescu: lol has this happened yet ?
BlueMeanie4: ive heard stories about rural illinois
BlueMeanie4: wow
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 the "whole country" is only "a mess" in the sense that random idiots are inept, and the model where you run a continent as a centrally planned economy requires a lot more than a conclave of idiots in charge.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the country'd recover and do just fine if left the fuck alone.
undata: BlueMeanie4: I could just as easily see this Yuri character as anticommunist psyops
BlueMeanie4: ya 'centralization' is the problem, weve never had this much federal power before, mostly the states governed themselves
BlueMeanie4: since 911 it's been crazy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet. But he is getting more and more dejected in appearances.
BlueMeanie4: now add to that all this spying, social media presence, etc.
BingoBoingo: Celebrated winning the election, but... pretty despondent ever since
BlueMeanie4: they're using these various front issues to break down state soveireignty
mircea_popescu: here's a simple reform idea : take guns away from police. because government employees are slaves, and slaves don't belong carrying arms. that's for citizens only.
mircea_popescu: if a policeman wants to report a crime, he gotta find a citizen and get his help.
mircea_popescu: slaves don't get to stand their ground, they get to scurry away and seek help.
BingoBoingo: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30302261
assbot: BBC News - AK-47 maker Kalashnikov gives rifles makeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPFJ49 )
mircea_popescu: and if you're unable or unwilling to stand your ground, well... you're not a citien either. go find one and hide behind him.
BlueMeanie4: fact is
mircea_popescu: solves the fake "problems" in all of five minutes, but also exposes the real problem :
mircea_popescu: no citizens, no country.
BlueMeanie4: in most american cities, esp. most black neighborhoods they wouldn't dare remove the police
mircea_popescu: why not ?
BlueMeanie4: ha
mircea_popescu: go suck off to tyrone, why should the state push things away from equilibrium.
BlueMeanie4: it would turn into utter chaos
BingoBoingo: Compare to http://rt.com/news/210751-kalashnikov-rifle-new-brand/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPG1YI )
mircea_popescu: if tyrone's the man and you're the woman, wear the fucking cock cage and go about your business.
BlueMeanie4: as that last video showed, there are plenty of ppl of all colors who do not want the police removed
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that;'s principally because they suck.
BlueMeanie4: this is what a lot of these protestors dont understand, most are white middle/upper class
BlueMeanie4: they really have no idea what living in a low income area is like
BlueMeanie4: to them 'police' are these annoying characters who want to get between them and their pot habit
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a low income "area".
mircea_popescu: it's the people.
BlueMeanie4: tis the most immature deluded nonsense you can imagine
BlueMeanie4: its really nothing like e. europe, there are underlying tensions that you just dont have in a place like Romania
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 let me tell you something. they got bums everwhere here. one night, one prolly drunk dude got rambunctious and started yelling.
BlueMeanie4: there isnt the the underlying urge to robe your neighbor
undata: BlueMeanie4: I recall some "livestreamer" of the PDX "protest" calling them pigs, then chatting up a girl
mircea_popescu: random passerbys threatened and yelled him down.
mircea_popescu: this is why this country is safe. plenty of citizens.
BlueMeanie4: undata- oh ya , we call them Trustafarians
BlueMeanie4: Rastafarians with Trust Funds
mircea_popescu: the us... heck, they're so fucking cowardly you can piss in their face and they'll likely limit themselves to complaining sottovoce.
BingoBoingo: "They should make Kalashnikov Mobile phones.. With high level of rugged-ness to be used in the harsher parts of the world..."
BlueMeanie4: oh sure Romania is probably safer than NYC, certianly safer than NYC with no police
mircea_popescu: here is buenos aires.
BlueMeanie4: oh ok
mircea_popescu: a town 3x the size of nyc.
BlueMeanie4: ya the 'hipster' set is clearly a major part of the problem
BlueMeanie4: mainly white kids reared on Obama nonsense
BlueMeanie4: they have no relationship with reality
undata: reared on social media nonsense
BlueMeanie4: yep
undata: hence what you mention last
BlueMeanie4: one and the same with homo redditicus
undata: "it's real if it's twatted"
BlueMeanie4: see: Tumblr
mircea_popescu: so.. yeah, this "police will protect us" thing is going to last what, another year or two.
BlueMeanie4: they have no real concept of how the world works
BlueMeanie4: most dont even have jobs, just support from parents
undata: BlueMeanie4: less and less of that with the economy as it is
BlueMeanie4: they are an increasingly ridiculed group
undata: the most recent generation is wasting away in the service industry
undata: making pizzas
BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/
BlueMeanie4: and its not pretty
BlueMeanie4: youve got a lot of clear Nazi ideas building up
undata: yep
mircea_popescu: <undata> making pizzas << aaaand whose brilliant idea is that "we don't need industry, we can grow rich by doing each other's laundry" ?
BlueMeanie4: twatter is the most hilarious for sure
mircea_popescu: "it's easier" right.
BlueMeanie4: MP: we can grow rich by serving each other Lattes!
mircea_popescu: glwt.
BlueMeanie4: pumpkin spice lattes to be precise
BlueMeanie4: no investment in infrastructure
BlueMeanie4: no investment in real education
BlueMeanie4: everyone is pushing money around or spying on citizens
undata: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: danke
undata: bitte
BlueMeanie4: but no doubt this isnt going to end well
undata: it'll end in a dictator
BlueMeanie4: yep
mircea_popescu: heh. like who.
BlueMeanie4: because the asshats will DEMAND their 'standard of living' be preserved
mircea_popescu: where is hte painter. show me the painter.
undata: mircea_popescu: he's so far unknown
BlueMeanie4: it will be King Blue Meanie
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not generally peoples wanting their "standard of living being preserved" that end up with hitler.
mircea_popescu: those generally go fight in the trenches for five years.
mircea_popescu: it's their thoroughly debased and humiliated sons an' daughters that get the hitler.
undata: seems we're headed for humiliation, no?
BlueMeanie4: there are parallels for sure
undata: worldwide empire reduced to economic crater
BlueMeanie4: i can def. see some states just dropping out of this
BlueMeanie4: Texas
undata: BlueMeanie4: and being coerced back in, I'd think
undata: the military though takes steps to avoid a state having its own state-sized chunk of military
BlueMeanie4: the concept of the average Texan is miles apart from where Obama is taking the US
BlueMeanie4: ya it's called Gun Control
undata: BlueMeanie4: I'm actually from there
BlueMeanie4: i live in a red state, generally stay away from the blue areas
undata: BlueMeanie4: gun control, but they also ship people around so they don't have a group that's entirely from one state
BlueMeanie4: ya lots of technique
BlueMeanie4: but fact is ppl are getting more and more aware
undata: hah, maybe we're headed for a Lincoln
undata: not a Hitler
BlueMeanie4: civil war?
BlueMeanie4: could happen i think, not far fetched
undata: yeah, say there's a large economic collapse and the federal system starts to deteriorate
undata: somebody rides in to "save the union"
BlueMeanie4: well if that happens
BlueMeanie4: then theyll start taxing everyone like crazy
undata: that could be the new thing, "domestic terrorism" vs the federal system
BlueMeanie4: Texas and perhaps a coalition will basically say FU
BlueMeanie4: right and the feds will label them domestic terrorists
undata: one could see lots of the "antiterrorism" stuff as prepping for a civil war
BlueMeanie4: he already clearly violates the Constitution
BlueMeanie4: absolutely
BlueMeanie4: theyre not prepping to get Al Queda
undata: right, they know full well that the economic system is a sham, and is going to implode
BlueMeanie4: they are anticipating things getting out of control
undata: so they've been getting this stuff ready
undata: arguably this domestic terrorism thing has been there in the US since the start
undata: "domestic terrorism" redefined as any sort of anti-federal thing
BlueMeanie4: no one remmeber Ollie North
BlueMeanie4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
assbot: Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPOFq4 )
undata: yep
BlueMeanie4: fun times
undata: times to wait and squirel away nuts
BlueMeanie4: any advice from Romania on how to survive economic collapse and govt takeover?
undata: argentina might have some things to say there as well
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
assbot: Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1w2Ppak )
undata: good old prescott bush and friends
BlueMeanie4: yep
BlueMeanie4: moving to Russia ASAP
undata: I don't see how that's better
BlueMeanie4: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1417652023224.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPRwPR )
BlueMeanie4: see now?
undata: BlueMeanie4: that it lacks that form of cancer does not mean it lacks cancer
undata: hilarious picture though
mircea_popescu: actually kinda funny what hoover had to say abgout getting off gold.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-domain-registrations-shown-to-correlate-with-bitcoin-price/
assbot: Bitcoin Domain Registrations Shown To Correlate With Bitcoin Price | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPTvno )
undata: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: re. cryptos
BlueMeanie4: bitcoin remains a mystery
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cazalla: BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/ <<< in hindsight, /pol/ was a short stop otw to #b-a, once i began to put in more time here, i pretty much stopped putting in any time at /pol/
BlueMeanie4: whats b-a?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3063 @ 0.00119207 = 3.6513 BTC [-] {11}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 lol
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TomServo: I've drank too much #b-a koolaid and find myself having to piss on co-workers' msft/goog/appl wankfests.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KS96VT.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 1
adlai: also http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32
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mircea_popescu: TomServo it's a pernicious cult.
adlai: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32 http://themonkeycage.org/2011/03/11/randomizing_customs/
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: adlai ?
decimation: re: only citizens could carry guns << that's a very good idea, and probably very close to what the 'founding fathers' had in mind
kakobrekla: bb doesnt have a red and green light but it does have a red and green buttons
decimation: now the situation is reversed, and citizens must ask police to wield guns. This confusion is at the root of much of what is wrong with usg.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, but you know exactly why it won't happen.
mircea_popescu: no us citizen alive today is willing to sucker punch the wife if she talks back
mircea_popescu: also something the founding fathers had in mind.
mircea_popescu: and that's where it starts.
adlai: when there's a deterministic profile for further scrutiny (public announcement of the bet in-channel), those who specifically wish to minimize scrutiny will stay just outside the profile. what if we make it non-deterministic?
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't people who want to stay outside of scrutiny be able to ?
decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3a/ << herr land dismisses isis
assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Islamic Vortex (Note-3a) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNPo8c )
mircea_popescu: whossat ?
TomServo: I like the cops with no guns, find a citizen approach.
kakobrekla: non-deterministic < better to stream comments to #b-a and harness the power of trolls
decimation: the xenosystems author
TomServo: But shouldn't a citizen also be capable of finding a wife that doesn't require a sucker punch?
mircea_popescu: decimation i thought mebbe you knew him better.
decimation: TomServo: why would you want to neglect her/.
mircea_popescu: TomServo such wives exist only in a world where people are WILLING TO slap them.
asciilifeform lulz, having missed all the good shit
TomServo: decimation: neglect?
decimation: mircea_popescu: nah, just been following his writings
mircea_popescu: it's like the nukes exactly. kids that know they can't EVER get in trouble grow up with various mental illnesses. kids that grow up knowing they could easily get in trouble grow up fine, and generally don't need to be beaten either.
mircea_popescu: yes, exactly neglect.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more insulting than the plain declaration that "[i really don't care enough about you to be bothered to] ever beat you"
TomServo: I guess I don't understand why a beating is necessary when you have a sufficiently advanced human capable of reasoning. Help me out?
decimation: lol
decimation: I have an AI cult to sell
mircea_popescu: TomServo the theory is that you don't get that advanced human in any unverse that doesn't include beating as a possibility.
mircea_popescu: decimation shoot.
asciilifeform: you might - by sheer accident.
asciilifeform: just as a small spot, on some rusted razors - semiconducts.
asciilifeform: brings to mind an old thread:
mircea_popescu: yes, but because of networking effects this isn't useful.
mircea_popescu: just like rusted razors aren't programmable.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617148 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617149
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:41; Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:51; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic men.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/12/nick_bostrom_on.html this derp was on econtalk
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNReGc )
decimation: "The way you talk about superintelligence reminds me a lot about how medieval theologians talked about God. It's unbounded. It can do anything. Except maybe created a rock so heavy it can't move it. Has anyone ever made that observation to you, and what's your reaction to that? Guest: I think you might be the first, at least that I can remember. Russ: Hmmm."
mircea_popescu: lmao.
asciilifeform: !s yudkowsky
assbot: 8 results for 'yudkowsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yudkowsky
asciilifeform: ^ current hitler of that sect
decimation: hehe yeah asciilifeform this guy has to be in yudkowsky's orbit somehow
TomServo: mircea_popescu: no matter the level of advancement, always beat?
mircea_popescu: if she's advanced enough that she stops shitting
mircea_popescu: i shall review your question.
decimation: yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'
TomServo: lol?
decimation: www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/artificial-intelligence.pdf
mircea_popescu: well ? what is this "advanced"
asciilifeform: TomServo: it is possible to play the 'advanced' game, but you probably cannot assemble mircea_popescu's harem that way.
TomServo: So you never graduate from beating?
asciilifeform: lucky if even find one wife.
mircea_popescu: from the possibility thereof ?
decimation: TomServo: do you graduate from having to eat?
mircea_popescu: how. do you graduate from being sick ? bored ?
mircea_popescu: you don't graduate from reality.
asciilifeform: trained circus lion 'graduates from beating.'
asciilifeform: as i understand, same idea here.
undata: I think this is predicated on "beat everyone"
TomServo: Is there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?
decimation: asciilifeform: offer carrot & stick, eventually only carrot is needed?
kakobrekla: since we are pasting links re ai; http://i1.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/original/000/015/610/48a.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNS71u )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at all.
decimation: kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: TomServo http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ ?
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asciilifeform: actually, this is almost a fundamental question. like 'sexual orientation.' how many 'iq' points below yours (for a particular fellow) does 'zoophilia' begin ?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Due to a lack of beatings, I haven't yet learned Romanian.
TomServo: I apologize.
asciilifeform: i suspect there is great variation
mircea_popescu: lol i guess you're stuck looking at pictures ?
mircea_popescu: but no, the definition is i imagine quite ordinary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i srsly doubt iq points measure anything useful.
TomServo: How does beating relate to eating?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: call it whatever.
mircea_popescu: TomServo they're fundamental in the same way.
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure them, and find that measures correlate
asciilifeform: i'll volunteer that i can't easily lust over any creature detectably stupider than self.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "through the carrot", for elegance of form :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll bet you you couldn't discern between a well trained and an intelligent creature.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the right kind of circus - absolutely
mircea_popescu: in the world.
asciilifeform: i may even have been to that circus.
mircea_popescu: which is, yes, a kind of circus.
mircea_popescu: see, in your own imagination, which is boundless or close enough, you could.
mircea_popescu: but you're not free, being alive, and in that bound system you don't actually get enough elbow room to really find out.
asciilifeform: sure as hell.
asciilifeform: not sure what, if anything, i might be surprised by (on this subject) if my bubble were larger.
mircea_popescu: most of the things one identifies as intelligence in the field is actually artfulness.
asciilifeform: the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/540320550883586048
assbot: How dare the Eric Garner protestors dare try to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating the birth a man who was murdered by the state.
asciilifeform: if this is a 'muscle' that can be 'well trained' - this is not a 'margarine', but a 'real butter'. idempotent.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. << bulb battery wire?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. trainable, because kindergarten homework.
mircea_popescu: so your idea of intelligence is... culture ?
asciilifeform: talking about actual novel concept.
mircea_popescu: well done lol. do i win yet ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure trainable, yet... some fail to rediscover after learning in kindergarden when skill is summoned for video
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this with one of your pets. tell her 'waveguide motor' and see if she is able to draw one that could, in principle, function. or at least say what such a thing would be.
asciilifeform: considering the fact that no such item has been built, or, afaik, discussed, other than here by yours truly.
asciilifeform: and in none too great detail.
mircea_popescu: kind bad example cause didn't we discuss this here earlier ?
asciilifeform: well yes. you may have to devise a similarly peculiar example, if your friends read #b-a.
asciilifeform: (pets?)
undata has learned that asciilifeforms reproduce by dividing
asciilifeform: they 'reproduce' by popping out of the zero point vacuum for a little while.
BingoBoingo: Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug that could antigonize the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter.
asciilifeform: trainable.
asciilifeform: i worked with a whole mess of folks who could solve this one, for some value of 'solved'
BingoBoingo: Enough varied "trainable" questions though might approximate a test. Approximation probably necessary because jungle conditions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many women do you know that could do this ? and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but look, you're already conceding defeat. why are you building your castle out of my rocks ?
mircea_popescu: if you gotta use trainable tests you lost.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2014#942350 << in case you missed that thread.
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 15:10:06; asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice'
BingoBoingo: 4-5 prolly. But yeah. May have to concede this point
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of those blinky geomaps, and the only blinky spot is in argentina.
asciilifeform: and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it << ding ding ding - winner
mircea_popescu: well so if all your intelligence is in fact trained, then what are ye bitching about.
asciilifeform: depends what means 'trained'
asciilifeform: if 'trained' is what one can do with a parrot - then, no, intelligence is something quite else
mircea_popescu: but i did say that's not what's meant.
asciilifeform: if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter)
mircea_popescu: trained is what happened to scheherazade.
mircea_popescu: no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die trying.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the word 'trained' - i found - means something quite else to english speakers than for folks from the sov blok
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest.
asciilifeform: in the latter, a тренер is the fellow who helps an athlete get.. more athletic. in english world, 'training' is done to dogs and cubicle dwellers
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is the common practice is us business to use the word 'training' when they mean 'education'
asciilifeform: that type of training is referred to as 'дрессировка'
mircea_popescu: i think this pejorative usage is novel, and not really all that standard yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, we always had separate words for these.
mircea_popescu: hence well trained pilots, and training ai and so on
asciilifeform: pilot will readily concede that much of what he knows is trained like a dog is trained
mircea_popescu: dressage has the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english
asciilifeform: likewise a good, e.g., sniper
asciilifeform: muscle memory.
mircea_popescu: because well, they don't get wtf french is.
mircea_popescu: much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where the fuck the control key is and how to make pretty letters on the screen.
asciilifeform: damn straight!
mircea_popescu: just, much and important don't map.
asciilifeform: cerebellum has to know
asciilifeform: and there's exactly one way to train it
asciilifeform: hence why ballerinas are trained precisely like circus seals
mircea_popescu: tell you what.
mircea_popescu: to the ignorant, there's little difference between circus seal being trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page.
mircea_popescu: same thing, for the exact reason you don't see much reading on tv.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: the important parts aren't visible.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why people readily imagine training a woman to think with whip in hand and training a woman to dance whip in hand are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: they are not.
mircea_popescu: they may look similar, sure.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that the first's entirely negative (don't do this. don't do that. don't do the other. do something) while the latter's entirely positive. (do like this and like this and so on)
mircea_popescu: as a result, there's nothing fucking scarier than the former known to man.
asciilifeform: training to think consists of pure 'don't do's? news to me.
mircea_popescu: what else ? first you gotta teach her to rule over her emotions, then gotta teach her the modes of logical failure of teh brain, on it goes.
asciilifeform: what of the folks who are their own seal -and- circus trainer?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think intelligence is other than the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in the psychocrosstalk ?
mircea_popescu: nothing of them. they may develop myopia in time.
asciilifeform: teach self to control emotion. and to grasp, e.g., group theor
asciilifeform: y
mircea_popescu: one can train to build muscle by himself. one can also train to comprehend the torah by oneself.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather than compound.
mircea_popescu: same reason braided rope is stronger than straight rope.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thus understood, you will find that a woman trained to be intelligent, irrespective of iq, is quite to your liking, whereas one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable.
mircea_popescu: so... whole story really.
mircea_popescu: da fuck you care whether she can do heisenberg matrix calc in her head or not, really.
asciilifeform: calculate xxxx ? no. grasp maximally astonishing 'left field' concept without much preparation ? yes.
asciilifeform: and when you practice this, yes, gets stronger. this is training intelligence - sure.
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: did establish that we're gnawing on the leather straps of english, i think.
mircea_popescu: guess so.
asciilifeform: one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable << perhaps here speaking of taming, rather than training ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/minimum-viable-sociopathy.html << mega-lol
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mircea_popescu: "I seem to be doing a lot of hyperproductive things lately: explaining to people how to kill the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing the way English literacy is taught to both native English speakers and the rest"
mircea_popescu: mkay, i'll pass.
asciilifeform thinks mr. o meant 'hyperactive'
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, intelligent people want to go a direction ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we progressed past the classical philosophy of either rome or the east. a well.
asciilifeform struggles to make sense of the thing
mircea_popescu perseveres in his ahistoricity.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i dun see how it's even a kilo-lol.
asciilifeform: 'What this means in practice, for me at least, is that as soon as it starts looking like I am heading in the direction of acquiring a specific job title or job description, or getting involved in something that might require registration, certification or licensing, then I need to backtrack or head in a different direction for a bit, until everybody loses interest. In doing so I sometimes forgo some opportunities for an increa
asciilifeform: sed income, but that is the price of freedom.'
asciilifeform: ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, given that intelligence is to be measured in tsyans,
mircea_popescu: what can be said of the average policeman ?
asciilifeform: (as they say in britain) 'a whole policeman!'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: for our esl (english as a single language) friends : мили́ция = mili-tsya
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mircea_popescu: why not august 7th lol
mircea_popescu: http://sov.ro/ << romanian pseudo-tycoon (the sort of derps that live off govt spending in cvasi-socialist states), meanwhile convicted and eventually released from jail, started his own blog.
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mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy.
mircea_popescu: say a picolulz' worth.
gernika: mircea_popescu are you referring to logical fallacies by 'modes of logical failure'? Also, by learning to control your emtions, I assume you don't mean learning to meditate.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ? << maybe he got made, and so now teh fsb is no longer interested in what was a marginal asset anyway ?
BingoBoingo: OMG #b-a impoverished someone.
mircea_popescu: gernika not just, but sure. also, i don't care about form. if meditation works all the better.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't work, all the redder.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tis happened afore.
BingoBoingo: I guess it has.
gernika: mircea_popescu ah so also cognitive biases.
BingoBoingo: !up frankenmint
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/llwZ2
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mircea_popescu: lol is it yours ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: yeah listen, why is this not a post on loper-os ?
asciilifeform: because why.
mircea_popescu: i mean, you just gave imgur some money. why ?
asciilifeform: it's garbage.
mircea_popescu: uh.
decimation: asciilifeform: is it fcc class b licensed_
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read it on your platform than on some bezzlatron platform. is that so bad ?
asciilifeform: lol. i suppose my site can't get any more off topic than already is.
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: off-topic is an idiocy anyway. you're writing it, you're the topic, how the fuck could it be "off-topic"
mircea_popescu: fuck em. they don't get to say what the topic is.
BingoBoingo: Isn't off topic what's been sustaining it these last few years, and even off topic still makes a case for loper
mircea_popescu: they'd love to, of course, for the obvious reason. unsheathe that.
decimation: or is it class A(industrial?)
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't possibly guess
decimation: no manual?
asciilifeform: manual says 'class a'
mircea_popescu: it does kinda look like a sprinkler...
asciilifeform: one of these days i buy something that doesn't have to be vivisected to make it go.
mircea_popescu: a dog ?
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform beginning to think that networking hardware that behaves sanely out of the box was banned, and no one told him
decimation: yeah there's no way it could pass class B without a shield or metal case
asciilifeform: metal case on wireless access gizmo? lol
BingoBoingo imagines if asciilifeform became diabetic he'd keep his own pig for the insulin.
decimation: sure,
decimation: only need to have antenna outside, and maybe only partially that
asciilifeform: funnily, i have a circa-1998 wireless router, that has precisely this form
BingoBoingo would probably keep his own insulin pig as well, can't judge
asciilifeform: (not in service because laughably small flash disk, not linuxifiable)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you can't run it because bus speed right ?
decimation: asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket
mircea_popescu: decimation what's that ?
decimation: for fear that 'citizens' might make use of them in a way they see fit
asciilifeform: decimation: most of the consumer trashware have external antennae sockets, wtf
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket << What, like my laptop wifi card has??
decimation: yes, but the fig leaf that covers this is that they are typically 'reverse threaded' from the standard socket
asciilifeform: even my local isp ships router with two screw-socket antennae
BingoBoingo: the internal mini-pci-e deal with the adorable micro-coax or whatever they call it
decimation: everyone can tell themselves that they couldn't possibly buy a reverse-thread sma connector
mircea_popescu: i unscrewed so many antennae off wired-only "wireless-capable" routers...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'll notice these in the photo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still only solves the antenna rather than sanity problem
mircea_popescu: decimation alternatively, you could hit it once with a hammer and make contacts directly eh
decimation: http://www.rfcoaxconnectors.com/Technical_wifi-interface.htm << "In addition to specialized interfaces which are relatively new to the coaxial market, such as DMX, MC Card, MHF, there are variations on standard RF connectors styles which satisfy FCC Part 15 and 802.11 requirements. The most popular method used to achieve compliance has been to create reverse polarity, or gender, versions of BNC, MCX, MMCX, N, SMA, SMB, SSMB and TNC
assbot: WiFi Interface Identifier ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT1T1p )
decimation: connectors. You will also find reverse, or left-handed thread versions of N, SMA and TNC connectors."
decimation: the FCC demands that you reverse thread the connector so you couldn't plug your 1 watt router into a 30 dB amplifier
asciilifeform: i mean, back to the story, all i had to do is reach across desk and grab a ttl serial octopus. but what are folks supposed to do who don't have one?
mircea_popescu: derp
decimation: asciilifeform: was there actually a serial console present or was it a bootloader?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'ebay' bursting with chinese amps
mircea_popescu: this is like the dumbest thing i ever heard lol.
decimation: asciilifeform: they throw in trash and burn more money
mircea_popescu: srsly, you can't plug it in because it's reverse threaded ?!
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, one can buy such connectors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'fig leaf'
decimation: but it 'satisfies' usg requirements to make it 'difficult'
mircea_popescu: so he did.
decimation: it would be nearly unbelievable if usg weren't involved
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: there are many such capitulations to reality involved with usg 'regulation'
mircea_popescu: maybe this principle could be extended.
asciilifeform: ahahaha and the ethernet on this thing flickers in and out.
mircea_popescu: for instance : through a surgical intervention mandatory in schools for girls aged 12, they could reverse the asshole and vulvar opening.
asciilifeform: such quality! amazing company!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: abstinence-only sex ed WIN!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was, iirc, a record of this very procedure being performed on a woman in (?) mexico
decimation: well, I'm certain that some organ of usg would claim victory under such conditions
mircea_popescu: what could possibily.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was cancerous/amputated colon, if i recall, and this novel rerouting was tried.
mircea_popescu: well... colonostomy bags aren't any fun.
asciilifeform does not remember source of this tale, don't ask
decimation: here's the exact usg 'regulation' http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/FCC/Part-15/fcc-part-15-radio-frequency-devices-15p203.htm << "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna
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decimation: that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section."
decimation: this is literally the bread-and-butter of the usg regime
mircea_popescu: so silly.
mircea_popescu: basically, they made a ruling for a purpose. then industry lobbied on the basis of cost.
mircea_popescu: then they... mediated it.
joecool: hey mp, can you make assbot only use notices instead of msg? I know the ddos is a pain in the ass but if someone is unlikely to respond to notice, they are unlikely to respond to privmsg as well
mircea_popescu: average gender of resulting regulation ? "martian".
mircea_popescu: joecool i dun has anything to do with it, but kakobrekla might be able to help.
asciilifeform: collectors of small arms in usa have similarly entertaining stories about gotchas, thick tomes of peculiar rules, loopholes.
decimation: of course there is a small cottage industry selling reversed parts
joecool: mircea_popescu: sry, thought you maintained assbot... i'll bug kakobrekla when he's around
mircea_popescu: are the pms annoying ?
joecool: yes
asciilifeform: satan preserve us, i can hear that thing's cpu load through inductor whine from across a table.
BingoBoingo: Would be much better if included random kako jokes. kako jokes are the best
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform add shields :D
decimation: asciilifeform: how did get from 'working ttl serial port' to running bootrom?
asciilifeform: decimation: it was booting all along, but not usefully (no way to speak to it)
decimation: ah
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can do aes on it and try to use a microphone to do side-channel
decimation: that would be worthy of loper
asciilifeform: that would be worthy of first year undergrad.
asciilifeform: because - old news.
decimation: hehe
asciilifeform: it's - homework.
mircea_popescu: stop giving stan stuff to do.
asciilifeform is behind on his 'homework' as it is!
joecool: mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter too much though, i like this channel
BingoBoingo: !up diatonic
decimation: !up diatonic
mircea_popescu: !up diatonic
mircea_popescu: what, is it like a festival ?
decimation: !up Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: !up Yours
decimation: !up xinxiwang
joecool: luke should talk more, that's always entertaining
xinxiwang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xP5EFThh0
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joecool: !up diatonic
decimation: xinxiwang: do you often encounter gerkas on patrol in sg?
xinxiwang: i don’t have a car here.
decimation: well, on the street?
xinxiwang: gerkas on patrol?
xinxiwang: what’s that?

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