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(ossasepia) diana_coman: and aww @ ski; /me misses the Alps.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not like the government hadn't tried by then to show you the sort of "solve" they offer, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what is "theater tech"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in fairness it's quite easy anyway to be incomprehensible for average age-based-peer but yes, I know of no-tv-shock.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, quite usual "school" scenario
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, atm it's on hold until I get somehow to day with the full huge log of stuff to do /that was pushed back because of urgency etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but I get what you mean, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, at times that is a bonus (depends on society :P )
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes; yw.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ah, huh; ok.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes yes; on TOP of those basic 2.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hm, I can see the urgency; why /in what way specialness?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: quite unusual, I can imagine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the 2 are production + dev; they are not mirrors of one another, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes but mirrors; need one in each place, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, I am not very familiar with lyndon larouche.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I am still following you, don't worry.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: as in: mirrored aka multiple servers really; not as in... what exactly do you have in mind there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I personally would get one dulap for myself; depending on whether there is some concrete plan re expanding l2/bringing occupants/this-sort-of-non-technical-consideration too (please,please Stan!), there are the 2 S.MG servers looking for a house too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and yes, quite a good way to start, why not; I'm listening.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-22#1007086 - that sounds like a very good thing to do; by now I guess you two balance yourself not-bad in many ways so good for you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-22#1007077 - noted and thank you; that post sounds like a good idea at any rate; and fwiw I honestly had in the back of my mind to send your way any fit person I might meet but at least so far most still have to practice their basic writing more before attempting a qntra at any rate.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: heh, good for you; and yes, there's no bot to cite the line from btcbase logs + it's unclear for how long those will stay up, anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg: I thought the whole point was to get out of the salt mines; or what, does the new property come with salt mine attached so you feel "like home" ? lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll wait patiently for draft 2, there's no need for sneak previews in the logs or anything.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: please do, thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: take all the space you need, sure; I just want to see it or whether there will be any of it.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: and if it's not clear, this is not about my rk, the tiny-worth, no; it's mainly because I really don't want to move about s.mg servers again, it's been quite an intense week that post-pizarro implosion one.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: mk: what do you plan to do to fully populate the rack and over what timeframe?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re why "for customers", it's a matter of continuity mainly ie how do you plan to actually make this solvent & grow; or don't you plan this? (related: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946258)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter how do you know "dozens of btc"; and maybe I just love trinque, what.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; it's simple focus of ONE discussion: why do you care whether X got his bashing yet or not; how is that relevant to what people are asking of you?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: what does it take for you to stop once and for all the "but x ALSO didn't /did Y"? sure, bash the x who did/didn't if they deserve it, by all means, but that is on them and nothing to do with you, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: there is no good hash though, only not-known-yet-as-bad
(trilema) diana_coman: for "good" + list.
(trilema) diana_coman: keccak I suppose
(trilema) diana_coman: and wtf did I do there 1 & b, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not a business plan
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc)
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")?
(trilema) diana_coman: wow, nice work bvt! I'll need to re-read it a few times though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all this is important on a rather basic level for intellectual activity, quite similar to food hygiene being important for body activity (and yes, not doing it properly strucks civilised people that notice it with the same sort of disgust essentially)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... secondary sources have you read & therefore are you referencing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: re sources and referencing: there is always a primary source aka the original author; if that's what you read, then you reference it directly as you did there ie Bastiat's Broken Window Falacy + link (and note that even in this case referencing includes the edition which in turns indicates the translator if any etc); if however it's *not* that, then it's secondary source and you *have to* indicate which of all possible ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/10/simple-steps-part-1-school-spirit/#comment-4 - in which dorion is introduced to some basic notions of sources and referencing; might come in handy for others too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: as you say you'll finish this series this week, I'd say focus on it then and get it done and we talk afterwards, so next Tuesday since otherwise tomorrow we still pretty much continue from where we left off last time so there isn't a big gain.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: re density/multidirection, it's hard to say at the moment exactly what would work for you; for one thing I expect you'll get better at it anyway as you get more used to it and for the other, if you don't, the precise way in which you tend to break it will show more clearly once you published more.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you may be overestimating how much "the whole world" actually reads anything, lol; (and at that it's a natural overestimation pretty much ~everyone does at first); other than that, the blog medium is about more than just the public aspect - it *also* allows you to link and therefore to build on your own already-spent effort in a way that paper just can't do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so then it might work still better simply talking to you; let's say tomorrow evening.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: exactly so.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: see comment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: quite so, yes; and btw, split the tasks in your plan in 2 groups: must-do + time-permitting; because you are planning too much there and you'll make a mess out of it all in the end if you keep all in the must-do
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes, there is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: update the plan for this week.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so then do the work properly on this one for as long as it lasts at least; because look here that now you pushed it into this week that ends up with 20 hours for saltmine and that starts biting already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: also worth noting that reading is re-reading really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha! good for you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, you can't set "reading time is this" because it won't be the same for everyone, obviously.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I kept seeing it recently all around so not only medium but possibly it started there, no idea where exactly the nonsense started and it doesn't quite matter either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can either start with easier reads or take more frequent breaks on the harder stuff; the one thing that you should however NOT do is to allow this apparent-reading-only
(ossasepia) diana_coman: other than that, realise that reading text is not a matter of "number of words" solely (hence why this current "5 minutes read" bullshit is so hillarious); ie more difficult books will have to be taken in smaller bites, yes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: obviously; the bad habit there is to keep with the pretense (the reading-while-thinking-of-something-else) rather than anything else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: does this happen for all books you read?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: one easy way to go at it is simply to put the book down after a page and half to start with,take a break/do something else and then get back for another page and a half, with the aim to gradually increase this; it's a very frustrating thing for sure (good god, I'd kill someone if I had to put down the book after each 1.5pages) but it's certainly better than what you describe there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: also known as tuning out; did similar happen when you were watching that Spanish film/whatever?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: better here if you have questions as it will get an answer way more timely
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: say something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose I should clearly state that the biggest part of that lump of unknown above is *not* the code, but... you, the author of the code.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: btw, this is not to dishearten you or anything; merely to point out that you really can't neglect your "weak arm" anymore and that we do need to talk *first* of non-technical really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: for a more concrete application here: while you possibly did very useful work, your failure to date to engage and your so-many-years persistence in man-aloning means now that there is a big trust&rep gap to fill; and just throwing your code+vpatches+docs out there won't fill it by itself because you are effectively asking people to spend their time on evaluating a big lump of unknown, as it stands.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: moreover, what you need to understand and understand *very clearly* is that "technical" is not and can not be apolitical; and as such, you aren't going to be able to push your way anywhere merely on the strength of technical
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: while the "what I've done with myself" is the right approach, your almost exclusive focus on "the technical" paints the single-arm picture (that asciilifeform will recognise); and note that just like in asciilifeform's case, this single-arm thing is very debilitating
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, not even that but because of the links in it; right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it was stuck in moderating queue; forgot that new install -> needs again first approved comment.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no,hmmm let me see there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, wb whaack-not-guest then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: since I ended up writing a whole post as comment for whaack's review of the past week, there are quite a few things in there that others might find useful too.
(trilema) diana_coman: I read salisbury and derpy :D
(trilema) diana_coman: in fairness, most encountered, are exactly that; and I suspect that's where/how it even happens.
(trilema) diana_coman: that brings to mind those trivia irc -chans, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: 0 notion of that I would say, what respect
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up mp_en_viaje
(trilema) diana_coman: morning highway-mp_en_viaje
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: as you said you have 4 more articles to get to current day, this may take a while; what's your current eta on this initial series?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: your text is quite dense and at times touching on several directions at once but at any rate, it seems useful to you especially if you never took the time before to look at it all in a more structured way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/10/simple-steps-part-1-school-spirit/?b=this%20context&end=#select - quite; note also that it's not only what you *do* but also what you *fail to do* that also has priors and context.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I will look at it and comment in more detail later today at any rate.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: did the *plan* take you that long/longer than expected even? it looks like mainly a list of the technical stuff + an afterthought/unsure-wtf-this-is add-on; or is this just the bit that you finally published and you spent this time on getting started on other drafts or what happened here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Guest73611: is that you, whaack?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: morning; so nice to wake up to the full list of expected things-to-read really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-19#1006958 - hopefully at least one of you two blogs this too.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: if the "lorem ipsum dolor..." counts, then yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: works; for now I'd say the main focus is on that business plan ; fwiw I would totally pay asciilifeform for the hosting right from the start, can calc what it amounts too once the data is published and plan is made.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: heh, the cute&lonely rk that could!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, I didn't; (and yes, I should have written it down).
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: hm, I suppose given the sad state of arm-as-testing-ground, I should even re-think whether rk is best home for blog; though honestly for what I need it so far strictly re blog it wasn't any particular trouble otherwise
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: larger than the 86MB I used for testing?
(trilema) diana_coman eyes the pile of isp-talks-emails that will take even longer to write-up
(trilema) diana_coman: sure + at any rate, it belongs published, why not; ftr gathering all links and everything after this time ate up quite a few hours, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: re pcap honestly, that's not much of an attack as far as I can tell but anyways.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: see at the bottom some speed tests re current ossabot location too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: go ahead with the writing; at this stage there isn't much I can say on plans-only.
(trilema) diana_coman: cool then; looking forward to the more visible trinque.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946821 - no, I'm not at all coming to their defense; I am just noting that at least until now you've been practicing avoidance just as much as they did; perhaps in a different flavour, sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946815 - now, that's clear; (and it wasn't before, or at least not to me, no).
(trilema) diana_coman: gettrust is for rep from deedbot itself.
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot_abroad it's !!reputation hanbot_abroad you want there.
(trilema) diana_coman: I hope it's 50k btc / yr at least .
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946758 - myeah, I keep forgetting to put that longlines script in autorun on new setups.
(trilema) diana_coman: (the above was the continuation that my shitty client here ate; will have to fix this too)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 - you also expect everyone else to hunt you in the dark and come all the way to texas just for the pleasure of finally seeing those delicious flaws, or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: use your initials in the titles of *all* your posts there though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: footnotes plugin working on younghands.club now; it was there but not activated; as part of testing I've updated your post so it has proper footnotes now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: lol; I'll put it down as Sunday-deadline and lump it all for reading with the younghands.club on Monday
(trilema) diana_coman: and ugh how horrible that theme is.
(trilema) diana_coman: in more productive news: ossasepia.com is back at new IP 205.134.172.6 ; many thanks to asciilifeform for setting it up and to BingoBoingo for making the very smooth transfer possible!
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: and no, I won't spend my time "hating back" the silence.
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: you keep silent though, there's nothing concrete coming out of you for months neither here nor on the blog and then you explode with stuff like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 ; personally I don't mind it, have fun and all that but this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; attack my flaws my foot; y
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 - so what is the party you are making there in your hall? because so far the ~only visible part has been deedbot-related + unpublished code on it -> deedbot is the seed of trinque's party; now you say it isn't and 1. why isn't it? 2. what exactly is then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: confirmed, thank you very much!
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946571 - mainly because it was mp_en_viaje & you conversation; and you keep yourself quite private otherwise so I don't really know how much/where from you want any feedback.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: good luck!
(trilema) diana_coman will step back from it.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: you know, I paid maxim not-from-wallet for same reason...
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: but if you make a business out of it then part and parcel is precisely bringing people in to use it ie create the market, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: are you saying that "I watched pizarro failing because they didn't bring people in the wot; so not worth dev the wallet because not enough people in wot" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yeee, thank you; and thank you BingoBoingo !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: hm, that's possible; I'll look at it some time this weekend.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: all right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the surname certainly made me think -> scandinavian; but at any rate, the past is what it is; the q is what are you going to do for the future.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose it's worth stating explicitly also the difference between talking *to* someone and talking *at* someone: the first case involves that someone; the second just uses the someone as direction of some sounds/words.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: btw if indeed first time experiencing actual human conversation, it's not much wonder you find it difficult in your native language; but how the fuck is that even possible, where /in what sort of thing did you grow up to never have had someone actually talking *to you*?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: good for them if it also worked.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: take your time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do realise that the format and hour and everything already makes a selection of participants
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: that's a. stock answer, not personal b. actually what at least *some* women absolutely want to hear c. exactly priest style "come and confess your sins and unload your troubles, I have advice "
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in fairness and on second pass, I suppose "biggest philosophy show in the world" fits better the "i fucking love science" than the self-help.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there's a difference though between telling them what they want to hear (and they'll come in crowds to listen to THAT) and getting them to actually hear what they need rather than what they want.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: yeah but with the result of helping especially the talker; there is also this "listening to people" that is done (and done well at that) traditionally by fortune tellers and the like; I suppose in the US it might be the self-helpers that fill the role; but at any rate, yes, ~any successful show that gets people calling to talk and talk means that the person doing it is at least good at telling people what they want to hear.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 'dat title misses the "how to be happy and fulfilled in 10 easy steps"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what's this stefan molyneux?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: obv, for that you need first to be able and take the time/put in the effort to figure out something about who and how they are.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what you talk to them about in first instance is *themselves*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: how do those guy's attempts seem to you, by the way?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you are there exactly like that chinese guy "buy mah btc cause future, why won't you"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ugh, no; that is ~chinese article,lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then what conflict? the whole point is exactly to engage with them so that they *want* to do the sensible thing; if they are at all capable of being sensible, sure, but the attempt has to be done to even determine that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (also: that is most pointedly NOT diplomacy so wtf are you mixing there, on one hand imagining conflict and on the other hand claiming diplomacy)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: lolz, do you imagine you'll *force* people to do something they don't want to, purely through a computer screen?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re irc chats the problem starts earlier than that anyway; and at any rate, that's a rather weird definition of conflict.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that makes sense as a direct replication of previous setup; I don't really see anything wrong with it either; alternatively I suppose I can always set it up even on a vps with maxim or whatevers, it's literally "don't care where", all of it is public and fixed and should just be accessible for people to download stuff.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: how is it "conflict" with your potential clients?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: no, I know; I said getting drunk *on* multiple languages; no drinks required, no, just the same resulting happy diziness, lolz; then again, it's even better if drinks + 4 languages, after a while it's just hysterical, but let's get back to what you say your problem is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, getting drunk on multiple languages is a thing too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: that was the initial idea and why you got the talk to networks project - that you actually *are fine* talking to people; but obviously not and now the only possible suspicion from above is that you are "fine" for as long as it's literally generic chitchat ie exactly *not* quite engaging specifically with someone.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946300 - meanwhile after reading a translation of some chinese dude's similar attempts to "communicate", I start suspecting that everyone's chinese!! but after this experience, I'll add to #o curriculum documented interactions with unknown people to be done until result is judged acceptable.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: blog is fine but not just pics please; talk to people there, it's holidays + relaxed anyway so it might even help to get over some hangups
(trilema) diana_coman: at which point I realise I miss eulora playing too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what is your plan re blog+here while on holidays anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: leave both review and plan for when you get back; you clearly need more time to think this through and the review itself should benefit from giving it more thought; but you do need to think of it, it's not going to be disconnect-holidays.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: let me go back through the whole log because honestly, I'm having a problem with asciilifeform's frenzy-spitting in the logs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and even any starter I say is made specifically to that person too for as long as there is a clear person; look back to my first comment on your blog if nothing else; if it's not a person, the next discernible thing (eg the group, the chan, the network, the site, whatevers)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: fwiw that "easier in a foreign language" points out to some very repressed home-culture/young interactions really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: look back through all the logs here: am I just spitting out same thing to everyone and expect they'll magically get it or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: see http://thimbron.com/2019/10/espernet-2nd-chance/ ; the core of talking to *someone* is to actually engage with them personally for the duration of that conversation
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter you know, you should probably just plan a trip to china, invite that Mia for some meal, talk to some people there; that http://thimbron.com/2019/10/a-bitcoin-missionary-in-china/ sounds just about as painful as the networks talk, the same sort.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: I see; trace those feelings back to source to get thoughts; and don't act on them feelings.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: say something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that "we'll" was meant to be "will" above.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's pretty much from *there* that it has to change; or even closer at home for you; this is the sort of thing for which if you were here I'd just send you *every day* to chat up random people until that first basic bit works at least acceptable.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: btw, is this why you don't get your own clients for that consulting ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: if it's just about preference, it's unlikely to get fixed in any reasonable time frame; it's the sort of thing that needs to be about "I can't fucking stand this anymore and we'll do WHATEVER it takes to fix it"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: until you seriously fix the communication, the only option open is to be very useful doing tech jobs for people that can communicate.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you are certainly off talking to them so it's not going to be your project, no; trouble is that you supposedly wanted precisely to communicate re china too but you have big problems exactly there.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no smg server on heathen mirror, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fgs certainly.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the part I can't see is how can they end up better shipped from Uruguay than just bought in the US and shipped to you; re the rest I got it and it can wait; onth s.mg servers better online asap since uhm, so far had to even tell new players that no server
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: by the sounds of it though it would anyway be cheaper for s.mg if putting them in your rack to just buy the servers in the us and ship to your door, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so get the data but stay off talking to them.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'm really in no hurry re pizarro but since there's the talk re how much for the s.mg servers and so on - is there some concrete plan on how will this and all the rest be determined to tidy it all up?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, there was the naive assumption on my part that "how hard can it be"; fwiw though I rather doubt it really makes a difference simply because there is no real interaction from the other side either.
(trilema) diana_coman: hi asciilifeform
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: and yes re painful + it was worse; no idea why is it so hard apparently to actually talk to people on the internets.
(trilema) diana_coman: kk, give me 10 min
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: should I set her up with a ftp account on logs.ossasepia.com?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: but they are happy as they are!!11
(trilema) diana_coman: I rather expect it will be quite lulzy too to see the actual output of thousands of userz but at any rate, if by some mysterious working there is something alive in there, it should be found too.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw on irc-project, thimbronion contacted at least oftc, undernet, dalnet and espernet but because 1. he has to improve there 2. they are all into this wank of "us big networkz, no need serverz" , I'll have him get some proper data and write it up to have it in clear: set up some bouncers and log for a while all chans,
(trilema) diana_coman: morning mp_en_viaje
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: how's the data collection going?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing I did not own any irons with pizarro; for the other, I seriously doubt it's cheaper because of the import whatever.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: anyway, it's one of those things that has to be done and that's it.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: trouble is that I'll still pay for sad hosting elsewhere because there's still the need for diverse locations.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz, not yet; I still need to schedule a meeting with at least a few dc-s within reachable distance; then I'll see; fwiw though atm I don't have any rack-irons anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: then again, I wouldn't quite want to *live* in a dc either and computers seem to multiply in my house as it is so probably not much choice there in the end anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the big expense here is the rack space esp since recurring; and yes, where was it: will end up paying for racks more than for living quarters, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: it's enough if you ping only once with "this is my blog url+ip"
(trilema) diana_coman: nice; I'll read.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind publishing a torture test with pics and all that too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: lol@accept; yes, I offered it in the idea that it makes it easier for *you*; hence the "rather".
(trilema) diana_coman: in Europe I mean
(trilema) diana_coman: not terrible really; I don't think I saw any similar < 1k, last time I looked
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: would you rather we postpone the talk for next Tuesday then?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: how much do you pay for a dulap-box anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: at least it should make it easier to write the whole story down now; when is your eta for blog up?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ah, I see; well, good to think of that for sure, but you can't just put the whole world on pause while you do it.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter as far as I know , even hardware is actually cheaper in the USA than in Europe.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed!
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946115 - hopefully he has already a job by the time I get to move anything; I still work full time for s.mg and I fully intend to get eulora off the ground.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what was with that latency anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: all right; tomorrow evening then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "read and find out"! lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note that historically though (ie before manifest), there used to be multiple parent cases, yes; e.g start of http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=eucrypt&search=
(ossasepia) diana_coman: borked tree basically.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter a case where "more than one possible parent" should -> ERROR
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so you just need to look at hashes: which vpatch results in all the hashes required as "starting state" for p3? if it's p1, then p1 is parent; if it's p2, then p2 is parent
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the point is this: as each vpatch changes the manifest file, you know for sure that you won't end up with the situation when a vpatch COULD be pressed on either result of p1 or of p2
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: and yes, the manifest file makes this problem entirely go away in that it clearly enforces a single line at any point in the tree (you can have a tree with as many branches as you want but the manifest file will be different too)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: hm? it depends on what does p3 depend really; the child vpatch depends on some specific files as identified by their hashes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you are the result of a similar "press" in your own family tree; that doesn't mean you don't have some direct parents
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that doesn't make "parent" ALL the vpatches in that series though, does it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: but start from def: what IS the parent of a new vpatch?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: and worse, you'll end up with either multiple parents or semirandom choice of parent
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: I see; well, do what you can to have at least a test run if nothing more; it sort of sucks because it fit perfectly with "being away" but such is life.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, are you leaving for holidays this Sat or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the vpatch is a whole though, you can't and shouldn't apply it partially
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no.
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