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feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/what-happened-when-qntra-was-down-again/ << Qntra -- What Happened When Qntra Was Down (Again)
lobbes: you can't keep a good qntra down
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
asciilifeform: mod6: right
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946003 << genuine bug, and ty lobbes , eagle eyes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 15:20:41 feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/debug_toggle_fixkvvpatch/ << Krankendenken -- debug_toggle_fix.kv.vpatch
asciilifeform reserving 3 whole u for rk (up to 48 will fit...) in experimental cage. and folx encouraged to install e.g. 'bouncers' -- the sooner find out what kinda flood this thing will eat, the better imho
asciilifeform: !!up baitbot
deedbot: baitbot voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
baitbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 9d 3h 33m
asciilifeform: ^ the ddos people are sleepin' on the job tho
asciilifeform: it can't all be reserved just for mp's dish modem, can it..
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/17/some-uruguay-pictures/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Some Uruguay Pictures
BingoBoingo: In other local news court issued a restraing order against the outgoing President and his cabinet forbidding their continued use of the Presidential web to spread election propaganda.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe give it a reset?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wainot
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/06/i-sit-i-weigh/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- I Sit. I Weigh.
BingoBoingo: ^Restored post from archive.is
BingoBoingo: Not a new one
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/python-runtime-differences-across-platforms-do-different-math/ << Qntra -- Python Runtime Differences Across Platforms Do Different Math
lobbes: BingoBoingo: the archive.is (http://archive.is/GONGW) link in the above Qntra goes to a "not found" (at least on my end)
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty, changed it to link about the think instead of the thing.
trinque: BingoBoingo: looks like anyone that cared grabbed their backup from me already.
trinque: do you have the originals in case someone wakes up after I delete?
mp_en_viaje: jeez, spent the night with a bottle and a gaggle o' sluts at the strip club, slept for a few hours and i'm like... up.
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck is going on with me, i'm morphing into the borg over here
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945947 << the idea wasn't that it's "like bitcoin" functionally, ie, works the same way. the idea was that it's like bitcoin substantially, ie, IS the same thing.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 12:56:37 asciilifeform: sounds moar like e.g. usa real estate, than btc.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I do have the original .tar.gz.gpg files, yes. Also have a server now.
mp_en_viaje: you gotta have some of everything to be. this is the bar. as a schoolchild in sovok, gotta have a slingshot, and a tube for shooting paper cone things, and i dunno, a depeche mode casette tape or w/e the fuck you faggots did back in the day.
mp_en_viaje: very similarily, to be person must have a few senators, a few houses, a few cars, a few women etc etc. either you have a few of all the kinds of things that exist or you're not a person.
mp_en_viaje: the "oh, we're about to replace ye olde internet anyways" works as an argument against TRYING TO CORNER THE MARKET. that's a very different thing, you might say "i don't intend to own a quarter of all ips because tmsr's gonna replace the dumb shit anyways".
mp_en_viaje: you can't say "i'm not going to own ANY".
mp_en_viaje: it's a thing, and as long as it's a thing you own some ; dun even matter what you think about it, you can deem it as evil as you wish ; as long as it's a thing you get yourself some.
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker, it ate my last line. sorry, my internet is so shitty ima have to go into async mode here. offline block below :
mp_en_viaje: and that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936667 discuission dovetails RIGHT in here, too. this is why that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:59:44 mircea_popescu: that's what you do with every dime you can save : you buy your own tools! to become journeyman!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:05:53 mp_en_viaje: it's a thing, and as long as it's a thing you own some ; dun even matter what you think about it, you can deem it as evil as you wish ; as long as it's a thing you get yourself some.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945965 << i would suggest you ask for money. you really have ~0 incentive to let them walk. you don't have to pursue anything specifically for this, either.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:27:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to Uruguay to continue
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945974 << practically : a) they may offer a little for you to go away, but this is unlikely because, principally, ustarded 3-ring binder "corporation" bullshit ; as evinced many other places, usgtarded precious cuntlets (which is 100% what usgistani "corporations" are anymore, since they started hiring the stupid cunts, and then gave "hr" and "corporate" bla bla over to them) would rather starve to
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:37:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo .
mp_en_viaje: death than go on their knees begging.
mp_en_viaje: though it's thoroughly fucked that erstwhile "richest country in the world", they're not ordinary, kyle, and none of this can't possibly be happening to them, and surely if they just close their eyes harder and wish stronger-er the cock's going away, believe. girlihood problems. also, uruguay poor, as a 2nd consideratio
mp_en_viaje: n there.
mp_en_viaje: b) it is unlikely any lawyer you don't previously know will treat this as anything but a meal ticket. much like usg doctors don't treat the underlying condition in the sense of getting rid of it, but treat it as a cash cow, in the sense of maximizing their own income from it, the whole fucking point of knowing lawyers ~prior~ to needing them rather than once you need them like the retail-buying schmuck is so as to be able to authoritatively answer
mp_en_viaje: re the above, "no he won't".
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if i make myself clear on this fucking obvious score, because it's never easy to guess when the obvious has been belaboured enough for they for whom it wasn't, somehow, obvious -- but please ask q's qs.
mp_en_viaje: c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of this php discussion). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it.
mp_en_viaje: the fact that you don't "close the contract cleanly" is a cost to them and them alone, it affects you exactly not at all. let them pay for the service if they wish to have the service -- says the man who'd bill the US congress appearance fees to testify before it, like any other TV network.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, the universal basic wisdom of people interacting with the empire of stupid, from old us army hands to the days samuel pepys was tryna get a navy going / mind the business of his lord sandwich (not that one, another one) is -- put things in there to have what to cut off. why exactly
mp_en_viaje: would you renounce your own claims by yourself, what are you, minced meat ?
mp_en_viaje: now all'o this said, it's still your show, run it as you please, i'm not about to hold that against you. but i also can't pass all this in silence, take it if it's useful or leave it if not as all advice ever.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 15:01:31 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking something like: I propose we mutually end this contract. Here's a draft termination agreement for your consideration: [very basic mutual termination letter notably omitting any waiver holding them harmless for their breaches while including a waiver of all claims they may have/invent against me] and ask them what language and terms they want to include in the agreement to avoid "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 20:41:09 mp_en_viaje: and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was.
mp_en_viaje: we/?b=Part%20II&e=sures#select (certainly inasmuch there's no fee).
mp_en_viaje: needless to say, the sum doesn't need to be exact, it needs to be ~defensible~, by the empire's specifically typical "nobody could accuse me" omnistandard. wink wink.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945992 << "force majeure" does not apply to events ordinary in the course of business.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 15:06:03 BingoBoingo: And whatever "Force Majure" they try to claim with respect to internet weather can't indemnify them against their agents saying stupid and dishonest things.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 20:49:54 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's spitting of the files, do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 21:06:45 asciilifeform: it can't all be reserved just for mp's dish modem, can it..
mp_en_viaje: in today's keks : hey lobbes, if i try to add "/me nods along benevolently." as a comment it says "stale page", but if i remove the leading slash it doesn't anymore
mp_en_viaje: looks quite like a bug, is it in mp-wp ?
mp_en_viaje: in continuing lulz : http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/#comment-1385 went through as such, but originally read you break it -- you buy it, which led to stale page.
mp_en_viaje: i thinj you folk might've fucked your installs in some manner, for srs.
mp_en_viaje: i mean no leading slash is one thing, but no dbl dash within at all ?! that's nuts, how do you even do http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/#comment-111524 ?
mp_en_viaje: neways, ima go try and catch some more zzzs, this is fucking ridoinculous already.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-17 04:55:44 mp_en_viaje: i thinj you folk might've fucked your installs in some manner, for srs.
lobbes: but I think I forgot to re-apply the later hanbot patch for html in comments. Possib. BingoBoingo also forgot.
lobbes: I will apply said patch tomorrow and see if that fixes things
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:58 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter.
lobbes: and with that, I'm also off to sleep
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946045 << i entirely buy the argument. and will also buy ip -- when either asciilifeform figures out how to do it for 'toyota' rather than 'boeing' budget, or -- larger budget ;
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:05:53 mp_en_viaje: it's a thing, and as long as it's a thing you own some ; dun even matter what you think about it, you can deem it as evil as you wish ; as long as it's a thing you get yourself some.
asciilifeform: currently seems like the method mp mentioned is the only way to weasel out of the massive 'yearly maintenance' extortions, there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:01:02 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946065 << exactly. gotta make the attempt, BingoBoingo, mod6 .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:38 mp_en_viaje: would you renounce your own claims by yourself, what are you, minced meat ?
asciilifeform: even considering this , imho oughta be tried.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:12 mp_en_viaje: b) it is unlikely any lawyer you don't previously know will treat this as anything but a meal ticket. much like usg doctors don't treat the underlying condition in the sense of getting rid of it, but treat it as a cash cow, in the sense of maximizing their own income from it, the whole fucking point of knowing lawyers ~prior~ to needing them rather than once you need them like the retail-buying schmuck is so as to be able to authoritatively answer
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946072 << the derps will prolly try to argue that 'extraordinary ddos' at which pt BingoBoingo will pull out those garbage charts they sent in.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945992 << "force majeure" does not apply to events ordinary in the course of business.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946050 << there will be a set of 'din rails' for expandable-on-demand, properly ventilated rk plant. already purchased .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:43:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945955 << this incidentally is a great service!
asciilifeform will photo-chronicle , in case e.g. diana_coman wants similar item in that british rack
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946076 << ha, and i thought all of europistan had ultramodern net pipe
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 01:45:03 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you, that might be useful indeed; it does seem to me that I might not really have many choices other than picking at least a dc within short distance and getting space there + searching them thoroughly for some human; but atm I'm under such a pile of work on all directions that it's not going to happen tomorrow or next week yet.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: likely mine will be the 1st to stand up for service, then. but imho really oughta have multiple people willing to do these, otherwise 'fall into sin' and 'whole generalstaff in 1 trench' again .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: have you ever had occasion to run a rack before ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it aint 'phd-grade' work, but will take a little learning.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and perhaps if you end up with a full booth and lotsa irons, can even hire BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje lobbes: The comment thing is going to take some digging. Will probably end up pressing mp-wp again.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you make this happen by saturday ? would like to get diana_coman's rk standing up immediately when router, hoses, etc. emplaced.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's gzipping at the moment. Prolly a few more hours until done baking.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo !
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: GPG'ing will probably be under an hour. Then uploading will take time.
asciilifeform: mod6: lemme know if you want that box of yours housed here, i'ma gpg the postage addr.
asciilifeform: mod6: this applies (and to errybody)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 14:13:44 asciilifeform: still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra .
asciilifeform presently puzzling over where to get exchange rate for pricing; prolly will have to lift from BingoBoingo's auctions, for so long as they're happening with reasonable regularity .
asciilifeform considered 'what if priced FG-style, as fixed constant in btc?' but this would prolly result in outrageous overprice that few would be willing to eat.
asciilifeform: aim is, squarely, to 'price to sell'.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/youth-in-us-increasingly-decide-life-not-worth-living/ << Qntra -- Youth In US Increasingly Decide Life Not Worth Living
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 13:21:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean.
asciilifeform is buyin' servers ! found new dealer, selling 'dulaps' .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Good news!
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946115 - hopefully he has already a job by the time I get to move anything; I still work full time for s.mg and I fully intend to get eulora off the ground.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 13:21:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: and perhaps if you end up with a full booth and lotsa irons, can even hire BingoBoingo .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed!
BingoBoingo hoping and preparing to act along the same lines
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm a miser. but, cage is there, gotta fill. i expect there will be inhabitants.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter as far as I know , even hardware is actually cheaper in the USA than in Europe.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: usually is.
asciilifeform: 2 dulap-style boxen set to arrive by end of next wk.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: how much do you pay for a dulap-box anyway?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not incl. ssd disks, presently ~700 (u.s. $) from this new shop.
diana_coman: not terrible really; I don't think I saw any similar < 1k, last time I looked
asciilifeform: these are w/ 256G ecc ram, and (slightly faster than the prev. but still pre-fritz) 2.5GHz, 2 x 16core .
diana_coman: in Europe I mean
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think you have some moar taxes there, in europistan
asciilifeform: diana_coman: these (lesse how they work..) boxen are nominally same type, and incl. double redundant ps and my favourite raid5.
asciilifeform all boxen asciilifeform installs, subj. to 'torture test' before battlefield use
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma test w/ own disks, and purchase fresh ones when there are takers
diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind publishing a torture test with pics and all that too?
asciilifeform: of course.
diana_coman: nice; I'll read.
asciilifeform intends to properly document 'how to bake rack' . cut out the voodoo...
asciilifeform: mp's 'make it an engineered, not shamanic, product' crit is valid.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: filling a rack, asciilifeform-style, is entirely doable w/out megabux , it costs roughly like those old mercs mp buys. ( at least until one tried to buy ip... )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the big expense here is the rack space esp since recurring; and yes, where was it: will end up paying for racks more than for living quarters, lolz.
diana_coman: then again, I wouldn't quite want to *live* in a dc either and computers seem to multiply in my house as it is so probably not much choice there in the end anyway.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm beginning to suspect there are folx ~actually~ living in that 1 dc. ( or else wai is there exercise hall, showers... )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the rack space is recurring cost, but feels considerably less 'bite' to asciilifeform when he tallied up what currently pays for sad hostings elsewhere
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how many racks are you getting ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz, not yet; I still need to schedule a meeting with at least a few dc-s within reachable distance; then I'll see; fwiw though atm I don't have any rack-irons anyway
diana_coman: asciilifeform: trouble is that I'll still pay for sad hosting elsewhere because there's still the need for diverse locations.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: anyway, it's one of those things that has to be done and that's it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i intend to move some , but certainly not 100% , of own items, into this cage, aha
asciilifeform recommends to diana_coman & other 'rack bakers' to invest in inexpensive 'coffin' transportable rack -- makes desk testing / transport of stacks of boxen rather less painful .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: inquire w/ BingoBoingo re transport of irons. my understanding is that still cheaper (if slower) than to bake new.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing I did not own any irons with pizarro; for the other, I seriously doubt it's cheaper because of the import whatever.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this naturally depends on whether you're already doomed to import. but worth making the calculation.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: see what you can source locally ; compare .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: acquired substantial virgin bubble wrap and clean virgin cardboard yesterday. Today found "protector poliestileno" for the corners.
BingoBoingo: Materials are here to ship.
asciilifeform: a++ BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: diana_coman: usa has no 'import vat', 1 of the few pluses of sitting there, afaik.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: per my notes, smg was gearing to purchase its inhabited irons (pending delivery of replacements) , this fell down when the rack fell down. i expect if it comes out as +ev , and estimate of time for transportation aint outrageous, mp may want to proceed with said purchase and grab the irons. worth to ask.
asciilifeform: ( remember that if you're baking new ones, this also will take time. so entirely q for smg people, and the numbers could come out in either direction )
asciilifeform: additionally , if smg would like to operate 1 or moar boxen here in asciilifeform's cage, i'ma happily service, either on transported iron, or on own stock, either worx .
asciilifeform does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks
asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone wants to live in asciilifeform's rack and to do so on custom iron, asciilifeform will assemble, for reasonable cost, such iron.
asciilifeform: sorta is the point of colo -- to get ~exactly~ what you want, rather than crude approximation.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's rack is intended to at first house strictly l1 (+ l2 if approved by particular l1) folx. so i dun expect serious congestion of pipe, in near term.
asciilifeform is setting up a thing where invid. inhabitants could even reserve % of pipe for exclusive use. can discuss cost if anyone seriously interested in such variant.
asciilifeform: *indiv.
asciilifeform intends to squeeze max use from the fact of rationally planning the build from 0, and personally config w/ own hands
asciilifeform bbl:teatime.
asciilifeform took delivery of 1st batch of crates for cage build : slide shelf, pdu, switch, cabling, squarenuts, ssds, several other necessaries.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in rackables : 2 'apu1' w/ 1tb 'samsung' in ea. ( asciilifeform-gentoo or other filling at customer's option ) will be standing up. and available to sit on.
asciilifeform: these, notably, run 'coreboot' and have probe jacks and thereby can have , optionally, kernel burned into bios .
asciilifeform: fanless, 2-core 'amd g-series' box , vendor publishes 100% electric schematic . runs 100% blobless.
asciilifeform: ( iirc trinque uses a few internally in castle trinquestein )
asciilifeform uncrated just nao the ssd for diana_coman's rk, and the mount. it'll be the 1st box going in.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo lemme know if you'd like similar for your qntra. ( and anyone else? plox to write in. )
asciilifeform: qntra is a mp-powered system, btw, so he may want to weigh in 1st re where plugged in.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't know about moving blogs right away, but I am interested in a something to spread out the DNS record serving
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does this require any peculiar magicks ?
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned , a box is a box, you can set it up how you like.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It requires very little of anything. It si something that could probably fit on pogo if pogo wasn't physically bulkier than RK
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i actually have a pogo in stock, if you like just-for-you it can be plugged in.
asciilifeform: there is to be (just nao uncrated it) a 36in shelf for 'nonrackable rackables'.
asciilifeform: shelf is nominally 1u, but i'ma set it up under the slot holding the 6in-deep pdu , so effectively 2u of height avail. for what's on that shelf.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom.
asciilifeform: maybe even a hero will stand up who opens a 3rd, even-cheaper rack. (i'll be surprised tho)
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