(trilema) ben_vulpes: then your servers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah generally the first thing we ask for is root on your apple account
(trilema) ben_vulpes: everything from promotional apps to apps for insurance companies to internal business process web applications
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if someone were so foolish as to want to pay us to build a game we could
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ios and android and webturd "engineering" horsepower as a service
(trilema) ben_vulpes: except insofar as vc-backed shartups are games
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not games, no
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203701 << all i know is that programming sucks and some ways of doing it suck a little less than others.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jesus christ
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol and completely absent from the usage message
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the only thing i'm aware of in the 'mainstream' codebasen is the "rescan" thinger, but that only looks for transactions relevant to the wallet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hrm? what constant is this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the only way to re-verify a chain-on-disk right now is to dump and re-eat all blocks, correct?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: keep in mind that this is how i'm learning cpp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just reading your patches and thinking about how to exercise them is a quarter-time job
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: no, i have not tried verifyall yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the wifi is actually free
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: wifi over ocean: yes. cell for scammers to resell - no
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways i was poking at hunchentoot in service of making an httoy out of some of the patches that you've posted recently and discovered that the sbcl i had on the plane didn't support threads
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i know that it takes longer, but i like to actually exercise the sync mechanism once every five builds or so
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my stator's up to 347786
(trilema) ben_vulpes: neat to hear about musl, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kill the mempool, kill the relay
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well there's that then
(trilema) ben_vulpes: colored coins iirc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: s/'s//
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store
(trilema) ben_vulpes: making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (i can see why a bdb impl would need it)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ever try it with pg?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for
(trilema) ben_vulpes: neat, ty asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: those manual covers are gorgeous
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: achtung, etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: indeed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203227 << didn't you do these already?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rediscovered*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rediscovers static friction
(trilema) ben_vulpes: girl is bolting her dress together tonight
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anuzza for my .config
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1DZN9W3 << last 500 lines, lmk if you want more
(trilema) ben_vulpes: debug.log is 500M, you want the whole thing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: quite a bit of time went by
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anowait, the dumpblock rpc is right there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you'll want more from debug, so hang plz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: myes, let me dpaste you a thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: dumpblock killed my stator when i misscalled it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no wai chetty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i would like to know how mircea_popescu operates the computer machine healthily if he does not suffer from this affliction, or fear it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i have been typing a lot and my hand hurts"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: don't get my hopes up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: p-please
(trilema) ben_vulpes: let's go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: minimal browserlisp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: would you fix this, please?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuck the web
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this problem sucks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but on the flipside, another deploy target
(trilema) ben_vulpes: db constraints seem like a decent step.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (in comparison at least)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that poke mother pg in all of the right spots
(trilema) ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: our lispy crud stuff doesn't even formalize 'models'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: want to hear a dirty secret?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and oop)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but imagine if you were actually into self-serializing data structures you could hang all sorts of useful stuff off of CLOS classes that did db queries transparently
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lisprails, but yeah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have some braindamage: https://github.com/mck-/heroku-cl-example/blob/master/src/util/model-utils.lisp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey trinque
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares
(trilema) ben_vulpes: come at me fascists
(trilema) ben_vulpes: herpa derpa doo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that was not patched with dumpblock
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock
(trilema) ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps i do not intend to 'own the space' as mircea_popescu describes the act
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rewritten in cl yet trinque?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ohai deedbot-
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mthreat> !s wtf << ty!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how boss do you battle the rsi?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: after which i mused to myself about vibrating handles and mircea_popescu's computer use wisdom
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it set in on a particularly long bike ride on a particularly shitty bike
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the rsi is setting in
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although i'm going to miss my new ergonomic keyboard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have a whole weekend of plane flights and insane fambly ahead
(trilema) ben_vulpes will
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh twisting my arm too eh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <trinque> another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my one sacrament.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: religiously.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform - i do
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the most marvelous achievement of mine is the time allocated to reading patches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol nothing to it beyond applying patches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in other news, my bloodily hacked together stator has achieved block 331707
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why anyone would pay cash without this arrangement boggles.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: come from*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: * danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <phf> ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: aka teledildonics?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: didja grunt out a script or something else i could try?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200342 << twas my assperience
(trilema) ben_vulpes: zhe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the *unsalted* *unhashed* *stored* password
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the *stored* password
(trilema) ben_vulpes: WOO
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa mp's getting out the banhammer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phrance!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: relatedly, i'm always amazed at how `getinfo' blocks on...something.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eatblock doesn't provide for that?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah indeed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what is 'other work'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing against sane logs!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: i'm not advocating insane logs, i'm just saying pretty it up and make it consistent but perhaps we don't waste too much time arguing about syslog and logrotation at precisely this moment?
(trilema) ben_vulpes still booting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "ticket"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also logging is a pretty low priority ticket. if it looks better, has more information, is less braindamaged, is more consistent, great. does not deserve major surgery atm imho.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: great big screaming steamer of "i cannot reason about this system"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wb nubbins`
(trilema) ben_vulpes: $bizpartner is going to shoop us around in a fiberglass meattube
(trilema) ben_vulpes is sitting at the glider port
(trilema) ben_vulpes: had enough of that flavor of chumpatronics, tyvm.
(trilema) ben_vulpes avoids
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: nifty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: o nm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cutblock wasn't you?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: forgive the idiocy, i don't see any scriptage around the `dumpblock'ing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: surely not...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: we broke email. notrly surprised.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's fine tho i'll just buy a little more rsi :P
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all of your mails coming through in .txt makes finding your utterances annoying, because i don't index attachments
(trilema) ben_vulpes: didja now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes nods
(trilema) ben_vulpes: link plx? ascii_modem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hate to interrupt, but ascii_modem did you ever post a hack for speedily dumping all blocks via a -dumpblock analog or am i misremembering?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: shiva indeed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: neat trick.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah that's delightfully affordable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: wipe and slam with dd-wrt?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: "unifi ap"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rallymoad?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: get outta heah!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have eight people here and this consumer object is falling over
(trilema) ben_vulpes: certainly, but i'd like something nice-/ish/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyone running dd-wrt have a recommendation on midprice router hardware?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: I KEEL U
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: you up him again...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fucking register.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SuchWow: get a fucking key.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gossip is already a reserved term, sorry.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a lol is a "line of log", SuchWow.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1.8klol*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's okay suchwaoender, i'm approximately 1.8lol behind
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and the real bitcoin for the hackers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: qntra for the writers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: see there's eulora for the gamers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bitcoingrpg*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and giving some random noobs the opportunity to play bitcoinrpb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the difference between "fire and forget"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but the people setting pogos up is the thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> pogo cannot see the sun! << i hazard that pogo is not the thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: too heady for you, SuchWow?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (that itself is drifting steadily along another axis)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but it's not so much the brain as the necessity of linearization of memory for things that travel along a 3-brane
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain << hear hear
(trilema) ben_vulpes: arbeith macht frei
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nothing is fun
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > fun
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways with all this froofraw it'd be nice to have a mining pool that ran 0.5.3
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i want every token << you probably want the serialization insanity as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 271609
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SuchWow: what's litecoin?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: GOOD AFTERNOON
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.solrodar.1:898d1835333b88e8a1aeafa9acb92bbad9b839fc1cf4135f8a2ea7ea45bf4c5f
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !rate solrodar 1 doolb wen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (on the use of "torture" in the nyt)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: but then people would have to touch it !!111twelve1
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha the one where you simply hold difficulty constant and mine a long-ass chain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which variants are cheap?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm sure you've gone into this in depth, but doesn't the length of the current main chain make that ludicrously expensive?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is a rewind attack?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you say that as though there were an option.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways i don't believe you nobody gets paid to write common lisp lalala i can't hear you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: braindamage.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: otoh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now on one hand that this thing doesn't give programmers any handles to alter test data is fine, in that it forces one to either work in a js repl or you know /actually write tests/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one can configure post-commit hooks in git, but their logic importer a) only works with github and b) only works with public repositories.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the suggested way to cram code into their orifices is by pasting it into text fields.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is not configurable in any way.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: their sandbox provides precisely one map of dummy data.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: developers working with this service can alter its behavior by providing it 'node' code that it executes on login/registration events
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there is a SaaS that handles users for people who for whatever reason don't want to stand up their own services and servers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: let me tell you of the salt mines of my homeworld...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not you, gabriel_laddel
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh fuck you srsly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'twas a sovietism
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ¿de veras? ¿porque?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ¿y tu, comrade?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: muy bien
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buenos dias
(trilema) ben_vulpes: balancing of rewards for being mage/barbarian/etc over time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: players vs. the game. conversation in ars.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think mircea_popescu designed something like that for eulora
(trilema) ben_vulpes: * williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> phf: No, not yet. On OpenBSD I'm running an 0.7.2 derivative with LibreSSL 2.0 just to see how it behaves. << how's the libressl build going?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vast quantities of braindamage.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <trinque> haha holy shit, dxr's "install" method is vagrant << see also gitlab
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, u
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> want a fucking WALL POSTER << codebase isn't that bad, should be doable by hand :P
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and pogo is?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and they *can* bless a pogo.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you need a million tyler durdens.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: myeah, i see that.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm sure moreso under load