(trilema) mike_c: ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov
(trilema) mike_c: jurov: please and ty: http://pastebin.com/Dp3RbqtU
(trilema) mike_c: probably just culled from bitcoin-seeder, no?
(trilema) mike_c: I guess not. just step N is download list of nodes.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, well, still makes plug-n-play nodebox more difficult.
(trilema) mike_c: ^ seems evidence it takes more than one?
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: BOOST_FOREACH(string strAddr, mapMultiArgs["-addnode"])
(trilema) mike_c: this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)
(trilema) mike_c: ah
(trilema) mike_c: it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.
(trilema) mike_c: hopefully addnode didn't get nixed
(trilema) mike_c: well, this is clearly best solution :D
(trilema) mike_c: hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"
(trilema) mike_c: oh.
(trilema) mike_c: 0x959bd347, 0xf8de42b2, 0x73bc0518, 0xea6edc50, 0x21b00a4d, 0xc725b43d, 0xd665464d, 0x1a2a770e,
(trilema) mike_c: unsigned int pnSeed[] =
(trilema) mike_c: this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now? brb. code grep.
(trilema) mike_c: i'm going to get this node list into my mini-node how?
(trilema) mike_c: neh! i like names. but i get it.
(trilema) mike_c: heh, so people are going to download this file by IP address?
(trilema) mike_c: dns-based
(trilema) mike_c: PeterL: this mechanism already exists. bitcoin-seeder
(trilema) mike_c: oh my. everything being tracked in that product shot is from web wallets.
(trilema) mike_c: anyhoo, we'll see how this one runs.
(trilema) mike_c: as update, my 0 orphan test didn't go anywhere (stopped cold at block 500). So I'm trying now with a 50 block orphan cache. I think the right number is proportional to the # of connections you have.
(trilema) mike_c: ok. mine takes ~220 right out of the gate, i assume there are some dials that can lower that?
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: what's the target memory usage for this thing?
(trilema) mike_c: interesting
(trilema) mike_c: wow. balance sheet says who? audited?
(trilema) mike_c: that's one of the perks of "private"
(trilema) mike_c: or anywhere else afaik.
(trilema) mike_c: conference this year should definitely include a poker game
(trilema) mike_c: felipelalli: read this. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
(trilema) mike_c: my pleasure.
(trilema) mike_c: well i just blew it away and restarted it. we'll see how it does.
(trilema) mike_c: approx.
(trilema) mike_c: if the chain split off where, at 144k?
(trilema) mike_c: so i gotta dig in more.
(trilema) mike_c: no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing.
(trilema) mike_c: idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool.
(trilema) mike_c: you mean $700.
(trilema) mike_c: i was not careful. question that will be potentially answered: was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k.
(trilema) mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
(trilema) mike_c: so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750. if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it.
(trilema) mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2353#issuecomment-14806541
(trilema) mike_c: lol. the "other" foundation also had a 0.5.3.1 release
(trilema) mike_c: i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.
(trilema) mike_c: yup
(trilema) mike_c: but all in all, worked like a champ.
(trilema) mike_c: and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it
(trilema) mike_c: a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error
(trilema) mike_c: had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages
(trilema) mike_c: mod6
(trilema) mike_c: only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed
(trilema) mike_c: relatively painless.
(trilema) mike_c: well look at that. http://i.imgur.com/B9Kq467.png thanks foundation!
(trilema) mike_c: mod6: you interested in feedback on this script?
(trilema) mike_c: would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags.. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html
(trilema) mike_c: i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide.
(trilema) mike_c: i'll deal with that tomorrow. one problem at a time :)
(trilema) mike_c: well, i just installed deb 6
(trilema) mike_c: or did you have to download it directly
(trilema) mike_c: hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get?
(trilema) mike_c: ;;seen mod6
(trilema) mike_c: interesting. ok. i guess i'll give it a whirl.
(trilema) mike_c: and it works? the other 40 gigs is just crap?
(trilema) mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, plus two update dvd's. an even 10 is nice i guess.
(trilema) mike_c: is this some kind of stupid joke? debian takes 8 DVD's to install?
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: yeah. it will be cool.
(trilema) mike_c: it should be irrelevant
(trilema) mike_c: the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)
(trilema) mike_c: that would be cool
(trilema) mike_c: snsa going to sell the node in a box?
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, that was it. thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: TomServo: what's the address again?
(trilema) mike_c: brother of 20year
(trilema) mike_c: it does smell to some.
(trilema) mike_c: i believe it. welcome to life under a thumb.
(trilema) mike_c: certainly. just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.
(trilema) mike_c: *they're
(trilema) mike_c: their coming, we promise.
(trilema) mike_c: the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price
(trilema) mike_c: ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, i saw that. so what's the idea?
(trilema) mike_c: sekrit idea?
(trilema) mike_c: i want to say namworld, but not sure
(trilema) mike_c: nope
(trilema) mike_c: pete_dushenski: he's a partner, not sole proprietor.
(trilema) mike_c: jurov runs it
(trilema) mike_c: b-a has a dice site, coinroll
(trilema) mike_c: j-d now runs on fake-coin
(trilema) mike_c: yeah. what a money spout that thing was. i miss it.
(trilema) mike_c: thank you!
(trilema) mike_c: which isn't really true. and the fact of that will become interesting when mpex takes a side on the hard-fork.
(trilema) mike_c: i suppose his point is along the lines of "mpex controls the coins it is holding, but account holders own them".
(trilema) mike_c: bitcoin-dev is confused about some things.
(trilema) mike_c: hmm.. "<sipa> justanotheruser: but control of coins != ownership of coins"
(trilema) mike_c: ;;later tell BingoBoingo draft submitted
(trilema) mike_c: i'll give mats a brazilian hugs
(trilema) mike_c: oh god.. the accent in my head is killing me. hilarious
(trilema) mike_c: 30 brazilian?
(trilema) mike_c: well, it's just a survey. confidence interval is +- 2 brazilian
(trilema) mike_c: heh, 50 brazilian. that's a lot.
(trilema) mike_c: ah. well, hit the streets, get 50 random brazilians to answer a survey. the results of that might be worth an article.
(trilema) mike_c: so, if you want to do this research but have not yet, what is the article going to say?
(trilema) mike_c: not even a good scam. price goes down all the time.
(trilema) mike_c: you trust assbot, the bot doesn't yet trust you
(trilema) mike_c: you are doing it the other way
(trilema) mike_c: what's the topic?
(trilema) mike_c: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
(trilema) mike_c: ^ i agree. write it in english and get that reviewed.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah.. not sure who is going to do that translation for you
(trilema) mike_c: i am trying to twist his arm.
(trilema) mike_c: kako, when are we buying our tickets to BA for april? it's getting late.
(trilema) mike_c: reasoning is along the lines of, "the only people you are reaching is the people in italy who haven't bothered to learn english"
(trilema) mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up.
(trilema) mike_c: why do you want to write in portuguese?
(trilema) mike_c: ah, nice to have all the robots back.
(trilema) mike_c: down, down! first time in forever i can auth myself :)
(trilema) mike_c: not as well as fiat though.
(trilema) mike_c: ^ gee, the btc hedge is doing not-bad.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;bc,stats
(trilema) mike_c: oh its going
(trilema) mike_c: and this is before the hard fork.
(trilema) mike_c: well, at least he acknowledged your superior intellect ;)
(trilema) mike_c: i am drowning in work over here, but i will get that article out soon
(trilema) mike_c: omg. the holdup is the stupid 1 week buffer on a 3 week bet.
(trilema) mike_c: i was wrong, maff is hard. 16.5 mins per block. but anyway, last 500 block time is fine.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 612/37
(trilema) mike_c: phew, i miscalculated
(trilema) mike_c: 19m per block
(trilema) mike_c: um, yeah. sell!
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc (12*60 + 12)/37
(trilema) mike_c: ok, this isn't hard. i'll do the maff
(trilema) mike_c: sort of a drop != -37%
(trilema) mike_c: +2.81%
(trilema) mike_c: smoking the good stuff
(trilema) mike_c: gribble is on crack
(trilema) mike_c: which one?
(trilema) mike_c: thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings
(trilema) mike_c: there's a channel with all rating updates
(trilema) mike_c: yes. thankfully we are not experian :)
(trilema) mike_c: meh. i don't mind replacing. rating shouldn't necessarily follow you forever.
(trilema) mike_c: can it get 'rated since' right? so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date.
(trilema) mike_c: right after dinner :) to be continued later.
(trilema) mike_c: ok, i shall paint a complete and pretty picture on btcalpha.
(trilema) mike_c: *at
(trilema) mike_c: why would I bet on a 40% likely event and 20% odds?
(trilema) mike_c: and OBVIOUSLY nobody is going to maintain the 60% because the time weighting!
(trilema) mike_c: and obviously market inefficiency is the only way to make money at parimutuel wagering..
(trilema) mike_c: well, i break even
(trilema) mike_c: that's not right.
(trilema) mike_c: and if no wins, i get 6/66 * 11btc = 1btc? wtf.
(trilema) mike_c: ok, day 4 i bet 1 btc on no (6 weight)
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, i'm about to school ya :)
(trilema) mike_c: this example makes no sense. why did i put .35 on yes and .65 on no.
(trilema) mike_c: ok.. so you meant 4 btc and 6 btc in the beginning.
(trilema) mike_c: clearly both sides can't be profitable wagers
(trilema) mike_c: yes, well, first off that was silly
(trilema) mike_c: but ok, i'll work with that.
(trilema) mike_c: i assume you meant 40 btc/60 btc
(trilema) mike_c: i will
(trilema) mike_c: ok
(trilema) mike_c: well *that* doesn't happen until late in the bet
(trilema) mike_c: but you still can't bet profitably, because time weighting has progressed and only made it profitable if you think the odds are something like 82%
(trilema) mike_c: you believe the odds are actually 65%
(trilema) mike_c: "market", i.e. what the money says is that the odds of yes are 60%
(trilema) mike_c: no, more like this:
(trilema) mike_c: the beginning of the bet (high weight) and the end of a bet (high confidence) are the best two times to bet
(trilema) mike_c: It is often not profitable to bet given your estimation of the odds and the current weight.
(trilema) mike_c: the time weighting system puts a dead zone in the middle of the lifetime of a bet
(trilema) mike_c: ok then, whoever this is come see me for a detailed explanation of how you are killing bitbet. http://bitbet.us/stats/1sz7C5kag76Djs55vdBFvtinvLTyfn4pf/
(trilema) mike_c: right, the initial wager
(trilema) mike_c: there should be a 'bet author' credit. make people famous, and then i'd know who to yell at about some of these terms.
(trilema) mike_c: well, we all know by now that the title is not controlling :)
(trilema) mike_c: thestringpuller: you've seen http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ ?
(trilema) mike_c: betting early on bitbets makes sense and betting late makes sense. you are cutting out 50% of the time it makes good sense to bet.
(trilema) mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice?
(trilema) mike_c: *insane!
(trilema) mike_c: wtf. bitbet has gone insanse
(trilema) mike_c: Jan. 10 "Fuck, I don't know, stop asking"
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. Jan. 6 "24-48 hrs". Jan. 8 "Progress is strong!"
(trilema) mike_c: so.. this is when assbot officially takes over the world then.
(trilema) mike_c: true
(trilema) mike_c: well, you took a few weeks off and we still trust you
(trilema) mike_c: aren't you writing gossipd? we need it yesterday :)
(trilema) mike_c: somebody send artifexd more coffee
(trilema) mike_c: can't wait for gribble to come home.
(trilema) mike_c: except he can't talk
(trilema) mike_c: given irdial's apparent hatred of kyc it seems like this is a good place to be.
(trilema) mike_c: !up irdial
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. it works out for long term holders :) risky for short term players.
(trilema) mike_c: there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
(trilema) mike_c: ^ it is also illegal to sell them.. such bullshit.
(trilema) mike_c: they should come to NYC. very bitcoin friendly. just drop all your coins off at lawsky's office on the way into town.
(trilema) mike_c: interesting. they must be retaining UK incorporation, no? I would think it would be legal shitstorm otherwise.
(trilema) mike_c: just teasing the bitcoin foundation :D
(trilema) mike_c: why? let the other ircd change it's name.
(trilema) mike_c: don't believe it. i'm not for hire :)
(trilema) mike_c: feels right
(trilema) mike_c: that is excessive. call it $100/hr.
(trilema) mike_c: your estimation was $50 / hr. I doubt that is the case.
(trilema) mike_c: how much do you think it would cost to hire someone to build something like that and trust that it would be done well?
(trilema) mike_c: (not that i'm bitter)
(trilema) mike_c: i am worth much more than that.
(trilema) mike_c: six months of my life and $5k?
(trilema) mike_c: nope
(trilema) mike_c: the new analyzer will tell you how much to bet based on your input of % of event happenning.
(trilema) mike_c: well, the "correct" amount to bet depends on what you think the % chance of the event happening is.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. more betting!
(trilema) mike_c: much improved bitbet analyzer coming soon. it is being stubborn about getting finished, but it will happen.
(trilema) mike_c: oh i miss mpoe-pr: "Yes, for as long as you don't try to take them out they're safe."
(trilema) mike_c: gribble is still dead
(trilema) mike_c: yw. a few bitcents in the tip jar :)
(trilema) mike_c: oh. doh. stupid gribble
(trilema) mike_c: ;;later tell jurov re: dec. qntra shares http://dpaste.com/3FJ1DGC
(trilema) mike_c: s/comments/complaints/
(trilema) mike_c: I will get 0 comments and have no idea how bad the problem is.
(trilema) mike_c: that is a much bigger problem on the wiki. For you, you will get x comments and know there are 10x problems
(trilema) mike_c: of which it is neither
(trilema) mike_c: <@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system. But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills.
(trilema) mike_c: psa: don't click that.
(trilema) mike_c: wtf is that evil link?
(trilema) mike_c: that's the problem. sloths can't defeat spammers. cats can.
(trilema) mike_c: captcha fixed, no cats.
(trilema) mike_c: diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site". not run by minigame.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe
(trilema) mike_c: but, this is religious debate.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, but it took six weeks. picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain.
(trilema) mike_c: you just didn't post
(trilema) mike_c: yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki. you, for example, did not go yell at the owner
(trilema) mike_c: because you don't know even know why
(trilema) mike_c: the thing is, the trilema one is extremely frustrating when it misfires.
(trilema) mike_c: the wiki
(trilema) mike_c: idk, the thing has some smarts. but that's why it worked sometimes and not others.
(trilema) mike_c: only each and every time you post a link.
(trilema) mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans
(trilema) mike_c: Trilema tries that
(trilema) mike_c: they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day
(trilema) mike_c: before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages
(trilema) mike_c: srsly. it was working really well too.
(trilema) mike_c: diana_coman: ^