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mod6: does anyone like ?
danielpbarron: mod6,
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BingoBoingo: mod6: Banner looks purty
mod6: danielpbarron!
mod6: Thanks, Sir.
mod6: BingoBoingo: werd. been consider switchin to hard-core mode.
mod6: *considering
asciilifeform: mod6: cut off on my display
mod6: has anyone else used PC-BSD?
decimation: mod6 it verfies for me
mod6: asciilifeform: awe
mod6: decimation: thanks!
asciilifeform: (banner)
decimation: BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly
decimation: my suggestion: use GPS time
decimation: " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "
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BingoBoingo: decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.
decimation: sure. do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades?
mod6: asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool.
asciilifeform: 1440 horiz.
asciilifeform: cut off unless fixedtype font is set absurdly small.
mircea_popescu: decimation how do you now ?
mod6: lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768
TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.
mircea_popescu: note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks
mod6: looks ok on that box
mircea_popescu: time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.
danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday
mircea_popescu: decimation exactly. not even a blockchain.
BingoBoingo: Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo:
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have one. they work.
TheNewDeal: the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: distinguish wall clock time from the other kind.
mircea_popescu: even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will note
mircea_popescu: (i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interval is rigorously defined as n transitions of cesium atom b/w energy levels
asciilifeform: the purpose is precision rather than accuracy.
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
mircea_popescu: this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts"
asciilifeform: precision timekeeping is what allows for, e.g., satellite navigation.
tripleslash: fucking znc
BingoBoingo: timekeeping is a myth
decimation: yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'
mircea_popescu: tripleslash you too ?
asciilifeform: rigorous, in this case, means 'arbitrarily replicable'
asciilifeform: on demand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice that so would be his.
mircea_popescu: for different values, ofcourse.
BingoBoingo: Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality.
asciilifeform: incidentally, cesium standard is a fairly recent thing.
mircea_popescu: well so is the iridium alloy meter.
asciilifeform: was arrived at somewhat reluctantly, as i understand.
asciilifeform: just as metre.
mircea_popescu: standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable
mircea_popescu: (micro to macro interactions)
decimation: isn't that what your processor is doing right now?
mircea_popescu: note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,
mircea_popescu: coupla weeks ago
asciilifeform: stuck?
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"
asciilifeform: what if they didn't. what then. sunrise off by a few ns.
mircea_popescu: well...
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.
asciilifeform: i say braindamaged.
BingoBoingo: Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception
mircea_popescu: we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase
mircea_popescu: decimation maybe "biotcoin blocks" is your timebase.
mircea_popescu: i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.
decimation: sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor
mircea_popescu: such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks"
asciilifeform: as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.
mircea_popescu: only in YOUR system
mircea_popescu: in my system YOUR precision is measurably poor.
mircea_popescu: relativity. it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :)
mircea_popescu: "hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!"
BingoBoingo: Kritik der reinen Vernunft A37=B54fn
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans.
mircea_popescu: otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.
BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring.
mircea_popescu: lol how many shots you in bb ?
decimation: well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty
mircea_popescu: sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena.
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep
Dimsler: what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
decimation: good point, that
mircea_popescu: how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.
mircea_popescu: there's no end of that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.
mircea_popescu: maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: guess what i've got.
mircea_popescu: ye, 85 million years offs.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen adlai
gribble: adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Adlai> 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
asciilifeform: a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo.
Dimsler: good ol Rutherford-Bohr model
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^^^^^^
decimation: excellent news!
mircea_popescu: fuck you you magnificent bastard.
asciilifeform: will post shortly
asciilifeform: note! had to patch the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: how ?
mod6: asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch?
asciilifeform: because it was retardedly missing a header.
adlai: mircea_popescu: sup
asciilifeform: somehow this flew
asciilifeform: but not with static libs
mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus
mod6: what header?
asciilifeform: stripped binary 4153212 bytes
asciilifeform: with no dependencies
tripleslash: that's better
decimation: asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day?
asciilifeform: mod6: stdint.
mircea_popescu: tripleslash saw teward's lulzy crash earlier ?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude...
BingoBoingo: spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is invited to replicate once automat is posted
decimation: BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's a joke
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels.
Dimsler: since we are discussing horology
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what is ?
Apocalyptic: teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc
mircea_popescu: o it is ?!
mircea_popescu: got me lol
Apocalyptic: heh, yeah
adlai: mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.
decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
mircea_popescu: adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
adlai: that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary
BingoBoingo: * decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h
mircea_popescu: ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.
mircea_popescu: vs
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic
mircea_popescu: ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.
mircea_popescu: adlai "mpif is direct", where's that from ?
mircea_popescu: context dammit
mircea_popescu: oh
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
adlai: :)
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is
mircea_popescu: adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?
adlai: i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory
mircea_popescu: Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.
mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
Dimsler: the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just generally you know, run on prose.
decimation: Dimsler: wohnen Sie in der Schweiz?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.
Apocalyptic: trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?
mircea_popescu: i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor.
Dimsler: decimation, nein
BingoBoingo: Probably.
mircea_popescu: anyway, great article, solid structure, errything.
decimation: Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp
BingoBoingo: Thank you.
Dimsler: decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german
BingoBoingo: My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.
mircea_popescu: thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year
mircea_popescu: cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish
BingoBoingo: Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul
Dimsler: yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads
BingoBoingo: Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age
Dimsler: the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you think take overs are ?
mircea_popescu: what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere.
adlai: mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: sent
Dimsler: neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour
decimation: of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945
asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though
asciilifeform: mod6 check plz ?
mircea_popescu: adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking.
asciilifeform: i'm not seeing any output.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.
asciilifeform: ^ moldy's observation originally
mircea_popescu: right into my "argentina has no school" of yest.
decimation: aye, it was moldbug's
adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex?
mircea_popescu: don't you need it to be on whatever exchange ?
Dimsler: decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011
adlai: what's mpex, a text-based casino?
Dimsler: "Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."
mircea_popescu: adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it.
decimation: as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology
Dimsler: what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt
mircea_popescu: decimation not too far off.
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.
Dimsler: decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps
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asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."
asciilifeform: yes jurov's thing ate it silently.
adlai: what's the MPIA?
mircea_popescu: why do you hate it ?!
BingoBoingo: adlai: MP Intelligence Agency
asciilifeform: because it doesn't work.
adlai: lololololl
asciilifeform: never worked.
asciilifeform: i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ?
asciilifeform: and it was missing dashes.
decimation: < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( )
asciilifeform: my code - works
decimation: Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"
asciilifeform: turdatron - n
asciilifeform: o
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL i know
asciilifeform: it also ate my mail
Dimsler: a very amusing analogy
asciilifeform: without even a squeak.
asciilifeform: turdatron == jurov's www patch submission gizmo
asciilifeform: on
mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...
asciilifeform: well anyway, i'm back to putting patches on my site
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.
asciilifeform: ifuckinghatethis.tgz <<<<<<< universal deterministic builder for bitcoind
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: for any machine you like that has gcc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: instructions inside. safe if used as prescribed.
Dimsler: excuse my ignorance but what is b-a?
decimation: mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion
mircea_popescu: this.
Apocalyptic: ;;search Bridgewater
gribble: There were no matching configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ?
asciilifeform: it's in there!
asciilifeform: it's just a fscking shell script
adlai: mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things
mircea_popescu: as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately.
mircea_popescu: yo danielpbarron you around ?
adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely.
asciilifeform: nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet
asciilifeform: this one gives you a bitcoind executable, fully static, for given cpu.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, ya
asciilifeform: using given turdballs of 'openssl', 'bdb', 'boost'.
asciilifeform: user supplies them.
asciilifeform: oh don't forget the patch.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ?
asciilifeform: this particular script just as easily builds pc unix version of bitcoin
danielpbarron: sure
asciilifeform: just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.
asciilifeform: deterministic build, about 40 minutes later.
asciilifeform: (on my box)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet
asciilifeform: just gives arm ELF of bitcoin
Apocalyptic: re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself.
asciilifeform: can run on any armv5 box running a unix.
asciilifeform: danke mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic write it up ? got a blog ?
asciilifeform: anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ and his pdp
asciilifeform: or what it was
mircea_popescu: adlai you gotta man up at *some* point.
asciilifeform: 60 lines of sh.
asciilifeform: dear glub. why this did not exist before.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform answer obvious, skipping.
asciilifeform: l0l aha
asciilifeform: i was gonna post my armv5 elf
asciilifeform: but realized that me tree's out of date
asciilifeform: not even the bdb locks patch
Apocalyptic: mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article
asciilifeform: (why? see thread )
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <>
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion.
decimation: asciilifeform: your sigs check out
asciilifeform: ty decimation
asciilifeform: now somebody fire it.
asciilifeform: oh
asciilifeform: probably should explain patch
asciilifeform: 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
decimation: i remember that dep. hell
asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it
asciilifeform: 3) added missing stdint header include in util.h. how it worked without it? ask satoshi not me
asciilifeform: that's all.
asciilifeform: end product should be 'bitcoind' in bitcoin/src, stripped
decimation: I had to do that to make it build on openbsd
asciilifeform: for your cpu.
decimation: too lazy to build patch sorry :(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol
asciilifeform: and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type.
mircea_popescu: why not.
mircea_popescu: wcpgw
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"
BingoBoingo: Dammit
mircea_popescu: "First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term ‘coined’ by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"
mircea_popescu: distributive justice ? seriously ?
asciilifeform: btw that thing is running on me pogo now.
mircea_popescu: distributively juice my cock.
asciilifeform: grabbing bloxx
mircea_popescu: yay!
BingoBoingo: fxd
decimation: asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.
mircea_popescu: decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block.
BingoBoingo: Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu
asciilifeform: decimation: model name : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)
asciilifeform: BogoMIPS : 795.44
asciilifeform: (/proc/cpuinfo)
asciilifeform: for what it's worth.
decimation: that's actually not too bad
mircea_popescu: feroceon ?! ahahaha great name.
BingoBoingo: fxd pt 2
adlai: mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic!
mircea_popescu: adlai alrighty.
decimation: what does cat /proc/timer_list | grep resolution return?
mircea_popescu: ^ yeah me 2.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu,
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: blocheit 1416
adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment"
asciilifeform: decimation: .resolution: 1 nsecs
decimation: interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer
asciilifeform: decimation: prolly tick counter
asciilifeform: like everybody else.
decimation: aye
mircea_popescu: that must be a fake
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu see above
decimation: yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision
mircea_popescu: yea k
asciilifeform: oscillator drift
asciilifeform: your cpu pll is not a scientific instrument, lol
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.
mircea_popescu: "The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in
mircea_popescu: which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o lordy.
asciilifeform: (if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)
mircea_popescu: a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?
mircea_popescu: line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list
asciilifeform: mod6: i sent it
asciilifeform: it ate it
asciilifeform: naturally, nothing came out other end.
mod6: yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.
mircea_popescu: "organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree
BingoBoingo: fxd 3
mircea_popescu: decimation not so.
asciilifeform: after 1900 blox, ram is half full
mircea_popescu: on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.
BingoBoingo: fxd 4
asciilifeform: wat even is this
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."
mircea_popescu: essentially, bitcoin is apolitical AND areligious.
decimation: of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened
mircea_popescu: a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this
mircea_popescu: anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.
asciilifeform: oh before i forget
BingoBoingo: fxd 5, deviant from suggestion
asciilifeform: that thing needs to piss debug.log to rs232 console, not disk
asciilifeform: (now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee)
mircea_popescu: great titjob is great.
assbot: ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fork of fork ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo coo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant
asciilifeform: for maximum ribbed pleasure
assbot: - Twitter Search ... ( )
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn
decimation: !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they still do that in the us ?!
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: i never saw it in usa.
mircea_popescu: prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.
mircea_popescu: ah kk
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice stuff.
decimation: mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers
asciilifeform: decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater
decimation: even our security theater is made of plastic these days
mircea_popescu: maybe they progress to dildos soon
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816
mircea_popescu: heh srsly ?
asciilifeform: discount plastic dildo
decimation: they have those too:
assbot: Plastic Bollards | Plastic Traffic Bollards | Removable Plastic Bollards ... ( )
assbot: ButterNubber comments on Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( )
decimation: with that I bid good evening gentlemen
decimation: !down decimation
assbot: Stainless Steel Bollards Mitred Welded Cap. · Barriers Direct ... ( )
asciilifeform: oh elf shows as 'dynamic', because
assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - ... ( )
asciilifeform: for a minute i almost thought it was all a waste of time.
assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - ... ( )
mod6: f
mod6: sorry
asciilifeform: blockheight=2892, memory is 90 percent full.
asciilifeform: soon dies.
asciilifeform: 3324 rather
asciilifeform: anyone still awake who gives a fuck ?
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it go
mod6: yeah
mod6: just let it run
mod6: that's what it does though, chews up ram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow.
asciilifeform: world's smallest bitcoin node possible.
mod6: and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will do exactly what planned, oomkill itself
asciilifeform: mod6 aha
mircea_popescu: and restart ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: so let it go.
asciilifeform: what i said, ye
asciilifeform: loop, loop.
mod6: aight. anyway gl!
assbot: It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :(
mircea_popescu: come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amen.
asciilifeform: i'm still mindfucking over that it weights only 4m
asciilifeform: *weighs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm
mircea_popescu: no dude. it's about right.
mircea_popescu: once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.
asciilifeform: most of the 4m is crud incidentally
mircea_popescu: exactly.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNEwDeal
BingoBoingo: Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise
asciilifeform: i should like to hear tomorrow that one of you folks built it
asciilifeform: and it ran
asciilifeform: doesn't get any easier than this
mircea_popescu: !up happyfr0gg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we see what danielpbarron sez
mircea_popescu: !up tripleslash
mircea_popescu: tripleslash gotta use your reg'd name.
tripleslash: fucking bots
tripleslash: gay
mircea_popescu: no u
tripleslash: urmom
mircea_popescu: clearly.
tripleslash: some things aren't meant to be.
mircea_popescu: lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.
mircea_popescu: "did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"
tripleslash: "so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?"
BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP
mircea_popescu: "and which one was the llama"
tripleslash: ;;ud queer
gribble: | queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term.
mircea_popescu: queer was never fucking pejorative wtf.
BingoBoingo: Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer
tripleslash: I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer.
mircea_popescu: well either queer or not very bright.
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.
BingoBoingo: !up happyfr0gg
tripleslash: BingoBoingo, never.
mircea_popescu: !up happyfr0gg
tripleslash: !down
tripleslash: !down tripleslash
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: Free live minstrel shows...
tripleslash: !ud minstrel
tripleslash: damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form
mircea_popescu: minstrel was pejorative ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is next, woman ?
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people
asciilifeform: << loltronic
assbot: US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Everything is pejoative
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again that one /
asciilifeform: obligarory preet!
mircea_popescu: didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: or rather, '09
asciilifeform: << him
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: nono, was another one
asciilifeform: no that's today's.
asciilifeform: woman - was called 'chapman'
asciilifeform: (i forget actual name)
BingoBoingo: Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.
asciilifeform: 'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, “The fact that I’m sitting with a cookie right now at the … chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.”'
mircea_popescu: wait so this is a rehash ?
asciilifeform: ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.
asciilifeform: sorta rehash
asciilifeform: with new faces
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol right. so damning, that.
mircea_popescu: "some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: blockheight=4623, mem=86% full (odd), no kill yet
asciilifeform: presumably there was some caching in the mix
mircea_popescu: it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies.
asciilifeform: (figure was total ram usage, incl. os, not process per se)
asciilifeform: and yes it will.
asciilifeform to bed
danielpbarron: it's only at 5k so far?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: bottleneck right now is disk
asciilifeform: i ran it off sd card
asciilifeform: will try with actual drive later
asciilifeform: (the one in the photo)
danielpbarron: ah
BingoBoingo: Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.
asciilifeform: << that one
assbot: test - Imgur ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i so love that story :D
BingoBoingo: That was a great one.
BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather Trilema.
BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy
danielpbarron: is this the thing?
assbot: : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Appears so
danielpbarron: and it needs a hard drive too?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo.
BingoBoingo: "Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign
assbot: Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister : Bitcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: murderin dat social moedia ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040395 = 20.2783 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Workin on it.
BingoBoingo: If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game.
BingoBoingo: Mega lol
assbot: KoKansei comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Oh we have uno fan who is not a part of SMHOWA
assbot: xcsler comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: *Social Media Holy War
assbot: sgornick comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( )
assbot: ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident
assbot: 796 lost 1,000 bitcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.
mircea_popescu: "why you can't invest with [insert random website]".
assbot: Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.
mircea_popescu: yeah i recall them.
mircea_popescu: " I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."
mircea_popescu: seems pretty reasonable decimation
mircea_popescu: oh he left.
BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx
mircea_popescu: just aboot.
pete_dushenski: you should send ars a letter
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D
pete_dushenski: "hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.
pete_dushenski: if they make it that long
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.
pete_dushenski: why wait?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.
pete_dushenski: there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read
pete_dushenski: taking down their front page and posting, for one
mircea_popescu: this proposes they're that important.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif
pete_dushenski: lol really not saying it is
pete_dushenski: either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief
pete_dushenski: The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.
pete_dushenski: ^o no poor cad
mircea_popescu: afaik the chinese do not wish this.
pete_dushenski: because?
BingoBoingo: Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.
mircea_popescu: well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.
mircea_popescu: like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: suddenly sustainable marriage.
pete_dushenski: sounds quite reasonable
mircea_popescu: moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then
pete_dushenski: why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?
mircea_popescu: lack of sufficient size.
mircea_popescu: the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened.
BingoBoingo: Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there.
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: instead, it went "something something something derp"
pete_dushenski: The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah no, just me being out of date.
mircea_popescu: apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union.
pete_dushenski: shanghai union?
mircea_popescu: that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"
pete_dushenski: lol
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.
mircea_popescu: (except japan, korea etc)
pete_dushenski: o that thing, their baby-imf
pete_dushenski: south africa was in that too
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: yup
BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia
mircea_popescu: imo nz/au will be the worst hit.
mircea_popescu: mostly because japan's so thoroughly fucked.
pete_dushenski: huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china
pete_dushenski doesn't know diddly about nz economy
mircea_popescu: nope, none whatsoever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1146 @ 0.00105732 = 1.2117 BTC [-] {22}
mircea_popescu: they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language.
BingoBoingo: AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing
pete_dushenski: ya $19 or w/e is zany
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the language is a good point
mircea_popescu: nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate
mircea_popescu: rents insanely high, developments burdensome.
pete_dushenski: sandstone isn't cheap to work with i gues
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
BingoBoingo: US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: totally
mircea_popescu: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
pete_dushenski: and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that
mircea_popescu: aptly put
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: heya mr. coliseum
phillipsjk: OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed.
BingoBoingo: I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.
phillipsjk: Hi pete.
phillipsjk: ..nothing yet.
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates?
phillipsjk: Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.
mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
mircea_popescu: paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs.
mircea_popescu: Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.
mircea_popescu: So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.
mircea_popescu: Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this."
mircea_popescu: ballas on teh same topic
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: oh so like europeans
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.
pete_dushenski digests
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week.
mircea_popescu: decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely.
mircea_popescu: seems an excellent way to expose a tor server.
mircea_popescu: having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00040395 = 3.9991 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: bon soir dude. nice writing today
BingoBoingo: "The New Salem Experience
BingoBoingo: Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and
BingoBoingo: about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where
BingoBoingo: Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New
BingoBoingo: Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here,
BingoBoingo: Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He
BingoBoingo: clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster
BingoBoingo: and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General
BingoBoingo: Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832."
BingoBoingo: Lincoln, fucking hobo
BingoBoingo: Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.
mircea_popescu: have some booties.
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.
mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
mircea_popescu: ing cylinders."
mircea_popescu: dude this guy rocks. who's he ?
mircea_popescu: "ButterNubber"
mats: this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform
mats: i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands
mircea_popescu: i liked teh prose.
mircea_popescu: course eschew takes an extra h
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
mircea_popescu: aham
mircea_popescu: and turd is a reasonably rare usage
mircea_popescu: !up cardigm
mats: nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.
mircea_popescu waves
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes.
assbot: High society pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: days b4 bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: same here, it so happens
pete_dushenski: spent most of undergrad at the card table
adlai: infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like
assbot: ... ( )
pete_dushenski: we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did
pete_dushenski: about a dozen of us
pete_dushenski: one guy is on the pro tour now
mircea_popescu: adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D
mircea_popescu: did it mostly win on volatility ?
adlai: that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23
mircea_popescu: you know most bots fail through over engineering.
adlai: s/ engineer/fitt/
adlai: which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo
mircea_popescu: aha
adlai: "Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "menimist"
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: If You're Participating In #MenimistTwitter, You're An Ass ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "i am on the internet and can't write out asshole"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".
mircea_popescu: i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects"
mircea_popescu: well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.
mircea_popescu: it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.
adlai: all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public
adlai: i guess they just don't take to twitter
mircea_popescu: are these feminists lactating ?
adlai: then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D
adlai: the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate
mircea_popescu: so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it"
adlai: how dare you call my mom stupid
pete_dushenski: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
pete_dushenski: i kinda hope adlai isn't even kidding
mircea_popescu: wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?!
adlai: let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"
mircea_popescu: but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits
mircea_popescu: has jack shit to do with feminism.
adlai: empowerment! equality!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00042042 = 8.3664 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.
assbot: 65% of people use the same password everywhere
pete_dushenski: ^ "Sorta hard to call them "people" then isn't it? "
adlai has no comeback, goes back to emacs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00040567 = 8.3771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44035 @ 0.00042392 = 18.6673 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( )
mircea_popescu: not a bad readd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38315 @ 0.00043703 = 16.7448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
mircea_popescu: Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
mircea_popescu: religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
mircea_popescu: "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
mircea_popescu: I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960.
mircea_popescu: best write-up of a book ever, too
mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
mircea_popescu: o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?
mircea_popescu: even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!
assbot: Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever | TechCrunch ... ( )
mircea_popescu: Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p
mircea_popescu: unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate
mircea_popescu: taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!"
mircea_popescu: mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this.
pete_dushenski: short all the techs!
mircea_popescu: later!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45294 @ 0.00041105 = 18.6181 BTC [-]
mats: i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago
mats: there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share
pete_dushenski: ouch
pete_dushenski: Oleg Andreev: i thought people reuse passwords because bright and capable engineers haven't come up with a better way yet.
pete_dushenski: me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!
pete_dushenski: to say nothing of, y'know, memories
pete_dushenski: "engineers should give us better memories!"
pete_dushenski: actually, that would explain the nootropic fad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00040567 = 1.8255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00039711 = 12.6877 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: !up Vexual
assbot: The inalienable rights railroad. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
pete_dushenski: and with that, i bid adieu!
Vexual: i do ;ike a train
Vexual: barrelling on thru the night
Vexual: largely unstoppable
fluffypony: quite
Vexual: standard
Vexual: we had australia day recently
Vexual: you're supposed to drink beer
Vexual: fuck that
Vexual: I thought about Israel
Vexual: same sorta buhala
adlai: mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85450 @ 0.00039116 = 33.4246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22693 @ 0.0003893 = 8.8344 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00038155 = 2.6327 BTC [-]
punkman: what'd you do for australiaday Vexual
Vexual: i tried to remeber that name of that usefull leightweight bitcoin client
Vexual: yjrn i hit it with a hammer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039246 = 13.3436 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: i had a gew whiskeys after noon
Vexual: i dont suppose you have a holiday for greeks invading greece?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039957 = 38.3188 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: << there was a bit of dancing
assbot: ... ( )
Vexual: corfu?
Vexual: big tree island?
Vexual: ugg boots is holding a blunt
Vexual: if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver
punkman: check out the square from diff view
assbot: ... ( )
punkman: those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings
Vexual: looks hot, where is this?
Vexual: punkman school of architecture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33043 @ 0.00041002 = 13.5483 BTC [+]
punkman: !up Vexual
Apocalyptic: for those interested in Bridgewater:
assbot: The Billion-Dollar Aphorisms of Hedge Fund Cult Leader Ray Dalio -- New York Magazine ... ( )
Vexual: cool handel
jurov: "rocket-grade helium"
Vexual: its a thing
Vexual: back blocks
Vexual: here have a snow stoen that never happemmef
jurov: obamastorm
Vexual: uwotnow?
Vexual: !google death proof lap dance
Vexual: !!google death proof lap dance
assbot: OKCoin´s Clawback Update - OKCoin美元交易站 - 最专业的比特币美元交易平台 ... ( )
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31551 @ 0.00039396 = 12.4298 BTC [-]
assbot: Blamed for Bee Collapse, Monsanto Buys Leading Bee Research | Healthy News and Information ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00040179 = 16.6743 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27106 @ 0.0004116 = 11.1568 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00041254 = 15.7817 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D <<< this is actually how i got into most things
nubbins`: "but i don't know electronics" "who cares? here are some jumer cables and a bunch of toys with voice chips"
nubbins`: *jumper
nubbins`: "but i don't know how to smoke" "well, i bet you can suck a smokey milkshake through a marijuana straw!"
nubbins`: etc
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34195 @ 0.00042096 = 14.3947 BTC [+]
nubbins`: pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china
nubbins`: !up Vexual
assbot: Eyes Wide Shut is a plank - YouTube ... ( )
nubbins`: ^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations
nubbins`: "no way are you in vietnam" "WELL FUCK YOU HERES A VIDEO"
Vexual: ive still got noodles in my beard
jurov: mod6 asciilifeform your emails were rejected.
jurov: asciilifeform: your key expired
nubbins`: :o
nubbins` guffaws
nubbins`: ;:rate alf -1 total noob
jurov: mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0004301 = 9.2902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22589 @ 0.00042268 = 9.5479 BTC [-]
jurov: mhm apparently asciilifeform prolonged in december
jurov: gotta referesh my db
jurov: he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit
nubbins`: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039191 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00040548 = 21.0039 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: dat mpoe bot
adlai: wut mpoe bot
nubbins`: wut
nubbins`: sorry, "dem trades executed by humans" o.O
adlai: wut
adlai: wait you mean subhuman nonpersons are allowed to trade on mpex!?
nubbins`: !up diana_coman
diana_coman: thanks nubbins`
jurov: hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in
diana_coman: hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm
diana_coman: thanks for pointing it out, I'll check that
nubbins`: np
jurov: adlai: i can admit mpex interface having some elements of turing test
nubbins`: diana_coman i had the same issue, just had my password in the wrong box in my client
jurov: but "not allowed" is too strong
nubbins`: server password instead of "identity password" in textual FWIW
adlai: nickserv instead of sasl ftl
nubbins`: unrelated, i just discovered a large marijuana cigarette in a seldom-used inside pocket of my winter jacket
diana_coman: ah, that might be it, thanks nubbins`
nubbins`: quit & rejoin to test :D
jurov: weed solves errything
jurov: :D
nubbins`: jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD
diana_coman: will do :)
nubbins`: "man, i don't care if this shit is solved or not!"
nubbins`: [10:47:25] diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.
nubbins`: !up diana_coman
nubbins`: congrats
diana_coman: thanks nubbins` it wasn't that though
diana_coman: the pass was in the right box
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: unrelated:
assbot: RPM Challenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
nubbins`: anyone participating this year?
punkman: using SASL should work for leaky cloaks
nubbins`: maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go
nubbins`: we did two last year
assbot: CBC Music ... ( )
assbot: CBC Music ... ( )
nubbins`: AB is probably the more accessible of the two
nubbins`: (for some definition of the word)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00041357 = 1.6758 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16998 @ 0.00044081 = 7.4929 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: nubbins`:
assbot: Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( )
adlai: the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.
nubbins`: heh
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030001 / 0.00038826 / 0.00048081 (1657321 shares, 643.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00046574 / 0.00053193 (6351244 shares, 2,958.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00053638 / 0.00068113 (36507342 shares, 19,582.03 BTC)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00044081 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the war chests are filling
thestringpuller: my god
thestringpuller: GOOD GOD YA'LL
nubbins`: !search war chests
assbot: 7 results for 'war chests' :
nubbins`: war chest or shire sauce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.000412 = 26.4916 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: << even coinbr api?
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 14:16:03; jurov: weed solves errything
thestringpuller: i never new jurov smoked
thestringpuller: awesome :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00041637 = 7.6067 BTC [+]
mats: 5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok
adlai: to learn of the echo chamber, you must become the echo chamber.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47646 @ 0.00041637 = 19.8384 BTC [+]
punkman: "so 2013 glibc fixed a bug, 2014 google found+fixed the same bug … and 2015 qualys found it again.."
assbot: Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( )
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only << ah, ok.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, jurov, ben_vulpes: blockheight 6391 oomkill (and died. forgot to run the loop variant that day)
mod6: no clue. when i ran it on my vm with 128mb of ram, it flew and ran for 12-14 hours before it blew up
asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
asciilifeform: will let it run.
asciilifeform: might actually make sense to bake in some perverse replacement memory allocator into this thing
asciilifeform: for hard constraint
asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
asciilifeform: better would be to plug the leaks.
asciilifeform: mod6: how many blocks yours loaded before death ?
mod6: err.. lemme see.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 19:34:00; mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2354 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6054 @ 0.0004339 = 2.6268 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
asciilifeform: about 15x faster.
asciilifeform: no, 35.
asciilifeform: 16000 & counting
nubbins`: ooo
nubbins`: n
nubbins`: ...b
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what kind of drive can plug into the pogo? anything that's 2.5 inch sata? or is there a way to use larger drives with a cable?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67659 @ 0.00043049 = 29.1265 BTC [-] {5}
TomServo: danielpbarron: I'm guessing you'd need to provide your own power for a 3.5", but don't see why that wouldn't work.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude this guy rocks. who's he ? << Maybe a splinter fraction of redditards is finally reading logs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.005701 = 1.1402 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: 'Super-secure' BlackPhone pwned by super-silly txt msg bug • The Register ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00045914 = 12.1213 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: inb4 orangephone
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 2.5" sata
asciilifeform: or usb3 into rear jacks
asciilifeform: 104893 blox
punkman: "In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."
TomServo: heh, "No-fly firmware"
punkman: more on the same theme
assbot: Officers Ask Map App To Remove Police-Tracking : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( )
danielpbarron: hah, i love that app
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1691 @ 0.00102669 = 1.7361 BTC [-] {15}
adlai: vehakol betotzeret haaretz!
assbot: Greek F-16 Crash Kills 11 During NATO Exercise | Flying Magazine ... ( )
adlai: well that's shitty.
adlai: F-16s are supposed to kill hundreds during NATO operations, not dozens in exercises
danielpbarron: !gettrust NxtChg
assbot: NxtChg is not registered in WoT.
hanbot: BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1101 @ 0.00104599 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041531 = 7.2679 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?
ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: share? << see last night's thread:
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:37:52; asciilifeform:
ben_vulpes: haw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00043249 = 1.8472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30951 @ 0.00043249 = 13.386 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'blackphone' >> :
asciilifeform: !s zimmerman
assbot: 20 results for 'zimmerman' :
asciilifeform: but of course, this place doesn't officially exist, 'no one could have guessed' that z was lowered into pederasty and made usg stooge, etc. never happened because not in 'forbes.'
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.19, vol: 16928.15134187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.699, vol: 12475.48887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 242.3, vol: 44508.56374097 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 262.0, vol: 9.37144747 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 242.8717, vol: 171698.44510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.02223, vol: 70.23057819 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 249.502, vol: 107.03334957 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
mircea_popescu: innit weird it uses two types of quotes ?!
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"
asciilifeform: where? in my turd ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no my bash
TomServo: Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.
TomServo: Address is also displaying this odd message:
TomServo: Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.
mike_c: TomServo: what's the address again?
TomServo: mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe.
mike_c: yeah, that was it. thanks.
trinque: Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.
trinque: I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it.
asciilifeform: 130080
mircea_popescu: nice!
mike_c: snsa going to sell the node in a box?
mike_c: that would be cool
mod6: ascii: good deal!
nubbins`: would buy
mircea_popescu: mike_c giveaway more like it.
nubbins`: slap some branding on it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can make stickers. design some :D
mike_c: the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)
nubbins`: once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal
TomServo: I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?
TomServo: Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
mircea_popescu: TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.
mircea_popescu: !up berndj
nubbins`: straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ?
nubbins`: look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi
nubbins`: prob would not distribute
nubbins`: still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8)
nubbins`: packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still
nubbins`: but something rustic yet simple
assbot: ... ( )
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.
mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster and imo more effective.
nubbins`: so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate"
mircea_popescu: yup
nubbins`: nb.
nubbins`: most people would not take the 50 back
mircea_popescu: entirely up to them.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: could even use blockchain-based proof
mircea_popescu: but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two
nubbins`: unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up
mircea_popescu: anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper than on paper
mircea_popescu: i dunno unit can create txn
nubbins`: daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live
asciilifeform: no rng in these machines. literally none.
nubbins`: bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it.
asciilifeform: can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats.
nubbins`: no doubt
nubbins`: but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
nubbins`: generate offline, w/e
nubbins`: bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc
mircea_popescu: not so crazy about the privacy implications.
nubbins`: privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?
nubbins`: i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p
mircea_popescu: that's inconsequential.
mircea_popescu: understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
nubbins` gestures helplessly
nubbins`: what
asciilifeform: oomkill/restart cycler works as it ought to.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ayup.
asciilifeform: (it's simply a 3-line sh)
mircea_popescu: cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified.
nubbins`: sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?
asciilifeform: ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night
nubbins`: ^
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nubbins`: this is why i'm having trouble making the leap
asciilifeform: but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad
nubbins`: you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device
nubbins`: and just store the tx
mircea_popescu: mebbe i misunderstand what's being proposed here /
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases.
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoin-market68
asciilifeform: some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap
nubbins`: some number of idiots will do this no matter what
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt it, but anyway.
nubbins`: some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it
nubbins`: etc etc
nubbins`: but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded
nubbins`: actually retarded
nubbins`: however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
asciilifeform: i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"
nubbins`: you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
nubbins`: those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
mircea_popescu: the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
asciilifeform: for the motherland (tm)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"
trinque: are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?
trinque: the filesharing thing has always appealed to me
trinque: some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing
asciilifeform: conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how do you pay for 10k units ?
nubbins`: i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?
mircea_popescu: trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind
mircea_popescu: much safer.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then move to the antiles ?
nubbins`: gross, too hot
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing
nubbins`: anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified
nubbins`: i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque
mircea_popescu: im not shipping anything
nubbins`: and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
phillipsjk: I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?
mircea_popescu: that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost
mircea_popescu: let people just buy thjem themselves.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk impossible.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's
mircea_popescu: wut ?
mircea_popescu: i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.
asciilifeform: a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure
mircea_popescu: l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.
nubbins`: hm
mircea_popescu: you know, when the space kept doubling.
nubbins`: so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?
asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup
mircea_popescu: so far at any rate.
nubbins`: o.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static
mircea_popescu: problem is the chain won't fit.
mats: kek
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mircea_popescu: wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's what i pictured too
asciilifeform: idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc.
nubbins`: yes, precisely
nubbins`: luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit
asciilifeform: just... breed them.
asciilifeform: first unit - use pc, yes, or borrow from phriend.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.
phillipsjk: What size SSD are you thinking of using?
asciilifeform: why ship them? so many folks already selling them. just need defloration.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc.
danielpbarron: a 256 should last for 5 years if blocks are 1mb
asciilifeform: no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk 256 so far.
phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node.
nubbins`: minimal, but nonetheless
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.
asciilifeform: if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury
phillipsjk: Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.
mircea_popescu: you don't plug it into the wall
phillipsjk: Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed.
mircea_popescu: you plug it into your current modem
mircea_popescu: nat router, w/e you use
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asciilifeform: phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome.
danielpbarron: can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ?
mircea_popescu: yay. defo.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.
mircea_popescu: !up macklemores_toup
mircea_popescu: dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens.
danielpbarron: the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine
mircea_popescu: just paper wallets, no node whatsoever ?!
phillipsjk: MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P
phillipsjk: *if
mircea_popescu: microsoft is not in the wot.
phillipsjk: Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks.
mircea_popescu: adaptec's private turd ?
trinque: why use vfat in the first place?
phillipsjk: They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)
phillipsjk: trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl dunno what scoopbot's issue is ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.
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asciilifeform: why are we discussing weird microshit-proprietary filesystems ?
mircea_popescu: part of aculturation process for noobs ?
phillipsjk has a habit of going on tangents.
phillipsjk: Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine
mike_c: it should be irrelevant
lobbes: <asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?
mircea_popescu: but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"
mike_c: yeah. it will be cool.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact
asciilifeform: hell knows. incidentally, who's for putting root pw (unique) on a scratch-off stickey on bottom. or, alternatively, send to requester by gpg
mircea_popescu: mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
lobbes: mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"
mircea_popescu: and we can have a private chuckle
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: see it's working already.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)
asciilifeform: i also admit i have a netbsd variant (experimental) for this machine
mircea_popescu: we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.
phillipsjk: *patents
mircea_popescu: the chuckflation.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.
phillipsjk: Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: not in the wot = no rights.
nubbins`: incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced
nubbins`: backed up til at least april right now
phillipsjk: The Wot is not Bitcoin though.
mircea_popescu: << see thar
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ?
mircea_popescu: or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?
trinque: "This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly.
asciilifeform: 135461; (running from zero on new disk since first i logged in today. see log.) 2 oomkills so far
BingoBoingo: !up phillipsjk
asciilifeform: appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?)
asciilifeform: now unwedged. go figure.
davout: ohai
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davout: the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date
davout: curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up
asciilifeform: davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform time /
mircea_popescu: davout i'd say more like 3ish % but yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.
mircea_popescu: the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node.
asciilifeform: ~4 hrs
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, it got 135k blocks in 4 hours ?!
asciilifeform: first 135k
mod6: took mine like 12 hours to get that many.
mod6: i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram
asciilifeform: it's on a fat pipe. and presumably got lucky with seed
mod6: ah.
mircea_popescu: impressive!
davout: so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ?
mircea_popescu: davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide
PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts?
mircea_popescu: PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
mircea_popescu: ah started over. kay.
davout: methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain
mircea_popescu: well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so.
mircea_popescu: one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain
asciilifeform: davout:
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
davout: "one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting
mircea_popescu: apparently its ~ 100 hours or so
asciilifeform: for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart
mircea_popescu: ie, better than bitcoind for most of its history.
davout: if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible
mircea_popescu: even if it takes a month, it's perfectly fine.
davout: also <<< top kek
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davout: "you just need to deposit some collateral"
mircea_popescu: sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ?
mircea_popescu: ". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products – a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance."
mircea_popescu: these people are complete fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch
mircea_popescu: half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF
mircea_popescu: omfg, i saw half a movie!!1
nubbins`: joke's on them!!!111
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing.
asciilifeform: 'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>>
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mircea_popescu: think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.
nubbins`: well y'know, give everyone the internet...
mircea_popescu: "This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "
mircea_popescu: and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius'
mircea_popescu: srsly, "people who had no idea made this" ?
mircea_popescu: how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.
mircea_popescu: o wait. the romantic genius doesn't have a father.
mircea_popescu: he has tuberculosis.
davout: "how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.
mircea_popescu: riiiight.
mircea_popescu: fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething.
nubbins`: alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?
asciilifeform: not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.
nubbins`: k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well
mircea_popescu: that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable
mircea_popescu: but this is a perk./
nubbins`: a.
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asciilifeform: nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread.
davout: asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool
fluffypony: I thought I had someone, he bailed
fluffypony: (and that was with agreement to pay)
nubbins`: oh, i missed that as well.
nubbins`: what's the make/model?
mircea_popescu: davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?
fluffypony: quite
mircea_popescu: we need slave labour damnit.
asciilifeform: davout: see log:
asciilifeform: !s pogoplug
assbot: 16 results for 'pogoplug' :
asciilifeform: cheap (qty. 1, ~12 usd sans sata, 18 - with) box sold originally for nas and some 'cloud' bullshit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: << teh coy behaviour.
assbot: ... ( )
nubbins`: don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho
mircea_popescu: notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.
asciilifeform: actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes
mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.
nubbins`: remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted
asciilifeform: usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.
mircea_popescu: shit, the usb errupters are a good idea.
nubbins`: asciilifeform true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform box takes usb stick doesnt it ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?
asciilifeform: they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log)
nubbins`: couldn't tell ya
mircea_popescu: yeh right you are asciilifeform
nubbins`: but y'know. this is just adding whistles
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah
nubbins`: smallest capable size is what you want
nubbins`: if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running
nubbins`: my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example
nubbins`: i don't have room for a big ol' box
asciilifeform: nubbins: << size & shape
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nubbins`: nb
nubbins`: that's the regular lid on the right?
davout: asciilifeform: amirite
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nubbins`: dat price
asciilifeform: nubbins: yes, it
nubbins`: and this is the thing you've been testing it on
nubbins` blinks, purchases
asciilifeform: aha
davout: asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage
davout: in addition to the thing itself
asciilifeform: davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil
asciilifeform: davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs)
davout: ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?
asciilifeform: davout: sd is slow as fuck
mircea_popescu: and wear prob lems
mircea_popescu: but it may work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running
davout: ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it
asciilifeform: who doesn't have a bag of old laptop drives lying around ?
mircea_popescu: most people lol
davout: lol
davout: "No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable.
asciilifeform: at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop.
asciilifeform: the sd will croak reasonably quickly.
mircea_popescu: this is not going into items like, india, chad, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've seen hobos with laptop. not uncommon.
mircea_popescu: where you live.
davout: so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded
mircea_popescu: davout untested but conceivably.
davout: asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos
mircea_popescu: ^ aptly put.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from speaking with some, learned that actual hobos, traditional. but with laptop, because why not? none were born hobo
mircea_popescu: women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.
asciilifeform: fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him?
mircea_popescu: a web entrepreneur
nubbins`: would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there
mircea_popescu: at least in my experience.
asciilifeform: nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.
nubbins`: oh, usb, that's right. jeez.
mircea_popescu: ^
nubbins`: one of those tiny little nub (!) ones
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mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you can even buy them anymore
asciilifeform: wai wat?! 8g? how
mircea_popescu: and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives
nubbins`: 8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall.
asciilifeform: nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wifi means plugged into router ;)
nubbins`: HEH
nubbins`: for some defs of plug!
mircea_popescu: for all of em lol. this guy has no wifi.
nubbins`: too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point
davout: how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?
nubbins`: zip it, duh
nubbins`: ;D
mircea_popescu: oh that's right.
mircea_popescu: FINE!
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: usb sticks are ~$1/gb
mircea_popescu: i was here in an earlier time, a happier time
nubbins`: suppose it's a 64
nubbins`: still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all
davout: $ du -sh blocks --> 34G
mircea_popescu: 28gb atm
davout: the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device
davout: :D
mircea_popescu: ayup.
mircea_popescu: because you know, gavin is right and storage is free.
mircea_popescu: (if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")
davout: it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year
davout: OKEY DOKEY
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: wrong sp
mircea_popescu: wtf is it ?
nubbins`: i uh.
nubbins`: andreesen?
nubbins`: ;;google usgavin bitcoin
gribble: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: <>; Bitcoin - Twitter: <>; USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>
nubbins`: andresen
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, here's a rough draft of the blackphone thing
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: maybe he can sell us some $0.5 / gb sticks.
mircea_popescu: to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: in fairness, give it a year
nubbins`: and they prolly will be.
BingoBoingo: thanks danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, tell you what :
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
nubbins`: i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle
mircea_popescu: that WAS given a coupla years, now it's 36 gb.
nubbins`: 2 troo
mircea_popescu: and if you do a leetal math, full 1mb blocks...
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 6 * 365 * 1024**2
gribble: 55113154560
nubbins`: why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!
mircea_popescu: 55gb a year as we are.
asciilifeform: oomkill, 139007
mats: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!
gribble: Current Blocks: 340906 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1813 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47404309835.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.85585
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll patch it as soon as i get a working patcher (see last night's thread)
mircea_popescu: kk
asciilifeform: incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ?
assbot: Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun think so.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?
danielpbarron: isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number."
BingoBoingo: Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.
mod6: asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten. and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput
mod6: which is another major problem for ben & i
mircea_popescu: jurov you around ?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, sounds good
TomServo: RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD.
danielpbarron: good point; that does make it sound especially bad
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron:
assbot: BlackPhone Less Opaque Than Promised | ... ( )
asciilifeform: sd is just a bitch
xanthyos: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00043011 = 9.6254 BTC [-]
scoopbot: New post on by danielpbarron:
jurov: mircea_popescu: just arrived
mircea_popescu: jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list
jurov: i know, explained in the morning
jurov: but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email
asciilifeform: any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator?
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not advanced enough to say.
mircea_popescu: !up t4nk
asciilifeform: it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also...
mircea_popescu: this is a point huh
asciilifeform: not essential piece, but should be tried, unless somebody plugs leak soon
asciilifeform: as it is, os kills it, and it dies 'with full pants'
jurov: okay it's here
assbot: ... ( )
davout: asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind
asciilifeform: ty jurov!
jurov: but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :(
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space.
mod6: ah cool, i see it now
davout: asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-)
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
mircea_popescu: worx now.
mircea_popescu: scoopbot you old perv
asciilifeform: mod6: cat: gpgout.log: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: because, i think, already had keys
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter
pete_dushenski: it seems to me that it just was
pete_dushenski: just as it just is
pete_dushenski: just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy.
asciilifeform: cat: chicken.sig.log: No such file or directory
pete_dushenski: maybe it wants to, maybe it doesn't, but it will be
asciilifeform: none of the gpg logs end up written
mod6: are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website?
asciilifeform: site
mod6: it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.
mod6: clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE
asciilifeform: it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears
mod6: Should still end up with "Good Signature"
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: the gpg logs never happen.
mod6: *shrug*, works for me i guess
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: what's this, the magic website ?!
mod6: I'll take it down.
mod6: YOu'll just have to patch it by hand.
mircea_popescu: but i mean...
nubbins`: you mean, we nice
nubbins`: ;/
mod6: done
BingoBoingo: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
pete_dushenski: Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed
asciilifeform: !b 1
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
mircea_popescu: doh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00043266 = 17.1766 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 144255 block
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
mircea_popescu: get a wot already eh.
phillipsjk: What is the minimum?
mircea_popescu: for what ?
phillipsjk: the bot voicing me
pete_dushenski: l2
mircea_popescu: 1
danielpbarron: the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2
mircea_popescu: ah ok
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | |
mircea_popescu: yeah you pm assbot !up and verify it.
phillipsjk: I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS
mircea_popescu: possibru
assbot: Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( )
mats: kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it
phillipsjk: is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment)
BingoBoingo: !down phillipsjk
BingoBoingo: !up phillipsjk
mod6: asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring?
jurov: mod6 i'm on it, too
mod6: thanks jurov
phillipsjk: no, I just gave it the decrypted string
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.
mircea_popescu: well done.
davout: mazeltov
mircea_popescu: << who said teh ghetto's a dangerous place ?
assbot: ... ( )
jurov: is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?
jurov: in the script there are plenty of lines starting with -
jurov: that got mangled
davout: jurov: gpg -d would do that
jurov: mod6 ^
jurov: got it working
davout: iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr
mats: << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now.
assbot: The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( )
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro :
mircea_popescu: size_needed = (sizeof (*host_addr)
mircea_popescu: - + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) + strlen (name) + 1);
mircea_popescu: + + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs)
mircea_popescu: + + sizeof (*h_alias_ptr) + strlen (name) + 1);
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking lulzy too.
mod6: \o/
mod6: thanks mp
mircea_popescu: that's basically it, recompile.
mod6: jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?
jurov: mod6 that's about script not working
mod6: oh. weird.
mod6: OH
mod6: ok.. yes.
mod6: i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.
mod6: the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think.
jurov: but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested
jurov: and won't accept relative paths for homedir
mod6: now that is bizzare
jurov: and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys
jurov: *homedir
mod6: so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg
mod6: (for instance)
mod6: it's gotta be a versioning problem.
mod6: lemme see what I was using...
mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version
mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
mod6: and
jurov: gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version
mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
mod6: huh.
jurov: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil
mod6: jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using
mod6: ahh, ok
mod6: yeah, i think this is an old school thing
mod6 looks
jurov: anyway, gonna post my script
mod6: deeeerp
mod6: --log-file file
mod6: --logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.
assbot: Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( )
mats: hohoho
mats: "Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"
mod6: gotta figure out something with this --homedir option
assbot: American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( )
mod6: that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno
mod6: i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also
mod6: ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab
nubbins`: this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there
nubbins`: and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals
nubbins`: i have no sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00043539 = 9.4697 BTC [+]
jurov: mod6 script fix sent
mats: nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok
nubbins`: if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too
nubbins` sets lit match on floor
jurov: mod6, also it left all qt-related files in
jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97750 @ 0.00042924 = 41.9582 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh.
mircea_popescu: speaking of al jazeera usa - tlp on point as usual.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: How Does The Shutdown Relate To Me? ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors."
mircea_popescu: humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit
mircea_popescu: typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker.
mircea_popescu: for the past... uh i dunno, 2k years ? pretty much the mode
mircea_popescu: souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved."
mircea_popescu: in other news, teh house with a view :
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56908 @ 0.00043576 = 24.7982 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: ...aaaannnd it's here:
assbot: Satoshi ... ( )
mircea_popescu: The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered. He is given an ideology without even knowing it. Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing. All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit.
mircea_popescu: You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house.
mircea_popescu: This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything.
mircea_popescu: holy shit i love this guy.,
mats: 16-12-2014 01:38:56 <asciilifeform> here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise
mats: y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38531 @ 0.00043792 = 16.8735 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00042709 = 33.676 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00042546 = 14.8911 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: <+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em
mod6: plz
jurov: i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6)
mod6: jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway.
jurov: yes, i sent it
mod6: jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time
jurov: i may not be always available, don't wait for me
mod6: lol, im pretty dumb
mod6: ugh, im disgusted right now
mircea_popescu: utility raven
assbot: Crow feeding a cat & dog. ... ( )
mod6: jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website.
mod6: very much appreciated.
mod6: I ran it, but got an error here:
mod6: ./ 157: Syntax error: Bad fd number
mod6: gpg --homedir $HOME/.gnupg -k >& /dev/null
jurov: interesting, your shell doesn't supprt >&
mod6: did i mention that I hate shell scripts :)
mod6: i should hvae wrote it in perl.
mod6: that's my bad
jurov: apparently it should be &>
mod6: i dunno what i was thinking
jurov: when you change it works?
mod6 is testing it
mod6: seems to be. i'll post the typescript
jurov: &> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh).
gribble: Error: ">" is not a valid command.
jurov: In a portable shell script (and if you don't need portability, why are you writing a shell script?), use > file 2>&1 only
jurov: it's unix wars all again
jurov: bye
assbot: dpaste: 20J4G50 ... ( )
mod6: my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet.
mod6: will look
mod6: to find out, i'll comment out line 167 and run again
mod6: huh. i dunno
mod6: keys were imported tho
mod6: i'll resend to the list with the updates.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00042999 = 26.4014 BTC [+]
mod6: ok all set, thanks again jurov.
mod6: !rated jurov
assbot: You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer.
mod6: !rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00042999 = 7.2286 BTC [+]
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.3:3a2d0d3341af24537f819d7ae5ec297a3d704c8fd3e70b7ddfc18b8456389649
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 3 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
mod6: !rated decimation
assbot: You have not rated decimation.
mod6: !rated danielpbarron
assbot: You have not rated danielpbarron.
asciilifeform: 158125
mod6: !rate decimation 1 Tested something for me quick
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mod6: !rate danielpbarron 1 Tested something for me quick
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mod6: nice asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mod6: sorry missed your message. was in a car.
asciilifeform: ever got the thing to work ?
mod6: no worries. yeah. jurov did some magic i wouldn't have ever figured out.
asciilifeform: neato
mod6: sorry, was super busy earlier. been getting ym head kicked in this week.
asciilifeform: is there a link to the latest ?
mod6: yeah, its on the website
mod6: one sec
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.decimation.1:592e1116aa3803ecba1bb80db5c231d4ebd357a093ad820c3114d9ef39dbf3e8
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for decimation with note: Tested something for me quick
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.danielpbarron.1:fd829af03ec6e1e365523c7052b003d1cd0c94ebb0254c63ccd8749207c02c38
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for danielpbarron with note: Tested something for me quick
mod6: !rated asciilifeform
assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: #bitcoin-assets & No Such lAbs.
mod6: !rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.2:a2bf41f16c31b6d7481d0c931e1fc204358af2edbbc1240286b8c127f8e80b11
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 1 to 2 with note: Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
mod6: who'd i miss?
asciilifeform: cut: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: find: `./bitcoin-': No such file or directory
asciilifeform: cat: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: Error! The resulting file count after pruning did not match\n
asciilifeform: the file count from the manifest.
asciilifeform: post-pruning: 1
asciilifeform: manifest: 0
mod6: lol
mod6: omg
mod6: ok. just hang tight, i'll just have to rewrite this thing in perl.
mod6: not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably.
mod6: right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers
mod6: and then I gotta start writing the eom docs.
asciilifeform: 5 oomkills today.
mod6: after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now..
mod6: sorry for the trouble here.
asciilifeform: mod6: might have to patch by hand for now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00043147 = 7.2681 BTC [+]
mod6: ok, well, the latest build guide will help you.
asciilifeform: mats: forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise << there were several points. i recommend reading that entire thread, well worth the time
mod6: should be version 0.0.4
mod6: anyway, i'll cross my fingers that you can get through it.
mod6: it's pretty easy.
asciilifeform: mats: point is, proposed protocol is not a circuit at all, but an arbitrarily delay-tolerant 'mailboxer.'
mod6: just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order.
mats: ok
mod6: let me see what I can do about a perl script quick.
mod6: maybe i can whip something out
asciilifeform: mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)
asciilifeform: << mega-lol
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: reveals that only 20 of his 56 'sentence points' came from the youtube thing.
asciilifeform: 'With respect to Defendant’s inquiry during the January 16, 2015 sentencing hearing regarding the return of his copy of the Declaration of Independence, Defendant’s counsel acknowledged that this is one of the items that Defendant agreed to forfeit as part of his Plea Agreement. Upon further reflection, however, the court can think of no reason why Defendant should have to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independenc
asciilifeform: e, as it was not used to commit any of the crimes of which he was convicted or used in conjunction with any of these crimes. Thus, notwithstanding the agreement between the parties, the court declines to accept the portion of the Plea Agreement that requires Defendant to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, the court orders the Government to return Defendant’s copy of the Declaration of Independe
asciilifeform: nce to his counsel within ten (10) days of the date of this order.'
asciilifeform: ^^^^^^^
mats: << athens market tanks 9% following disclosure of Tsipras' genius plan
assbot: Χάρτης της αγοράς (Heatmap) | Χρηματιστήριο Αθηνών | ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ i put this here because it is a mega-lol that ought to be recited at the hangings.
asciilifeform: (theirs - or ours - whichever comes first)
mike_c: is this some kind of stupid joke? debian takes 8 DVD's to install?
mike_c: oh, plus two update dvd's. an even 10 is nice i guess.
asciilifeform: wat
assbot: Index of /cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd ... ( )
mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00042866 = 9.0019 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mike_c: no, that's including loads of packages
trinque: there's a mini install iso that's on the order of megs
mike_c: and it works? the other 40 gigs is just crap?
asciilifeform: mike_c: offline installables, for when you're flying to alpha centauri or whatnot
trinque: its some subset of or the whole apt collection
mike_c: interesting. ok. i guess i'll give it a whirl.
BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take systemd onto a spaceship
asciilifeform: i have no idea for what
asciilifeform: it seems to be a custom left over from the days of 9600 baud
asciilifeform: who here used ?
trinque: airdropped into africa!
asciilifeform: was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk
asciilifeform: (they conveniently packaged it)
asciilifeform: aka 'walnut creek cdrom.'
assbot: ... ( )
BingoBoingo remembers browing linuxiso.???
asciilifeform: jurov: can that lxr thing crap out html for offline viewing by any chance ?
mircea_popescu: !up GodHatesFigs
asciilifeform: 162160
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 340937 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46118990047.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.74165
mircea_popescu: almsot there eh ? :D
asciilifeform: oomkill every half hour or so
asciilifeform: might need to plug that leak before these sail.
asciilifeform: it isn't a memory leak in the usual sense
asciilifeform: << here
assbot: Satoshi ... ( )
asciilifeform: (and previous threads. but now with nice jurov concordance)
mircea_popescu: mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. << debian past sarge suffers from bitcoin past 0.5 problem
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway
asciilifeform: the mapOrphanBlocks shitpile never gets flushed.
mircea_popescu: yeah that's likely it.
asciilifeform: provably it.
assbot: dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( )
asciilifeform: (threw that here a while ago)
asciilifeform: did anyone ever conclusively identify the first bitcoind release that didn't leak like a sieve ?
thestringpuller: none of them?
mircea_popescu: it never existed.
thestringpuller: d00d its fucking MSVC code
asciilifeform: thestringpuller, mircea_popescu - not so
thestringpuller: da fuck you expect?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: wat
thestringpuller: v 0.1 was written with Visual C++
asciilifeform: ah that
mircea_popescu: it was to be fixed "eventually". power rangers still not got around to it.
thestringpuller: they'll just run valgrind until it tells them its okay
asciilifeform: i have a 0.8.6 node running continuously with no leakage
asciilifeform: during chain load or otherwise
asciilifeform: although come to think of it, it inherited its blocks from earlier one
mircea_popescu: oh you meant first that way ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: it's not really deterministic best i can tell
mircea_popescu: and im not spending man hours on dead branches.
asciilifeform: only to see what changed
asciilifeform: looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability
asciilifeform: 'glue with broken glass'
mircea_popescu: yep
asciilifeform: almost like these folks specifically anticipated what we are doing here.
asciilifeform: and didn't much care to see it go easily
mircea_popescu: well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so.
mircea_popescu: they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it.
mircea_popescu: and to think, two years of effort, gone. all those "salaries", suddenly unjustified.
mircea_popescu: all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper.
mircea_popescu: if only nightmares could scream.
trinque reaches the top of the pile, switches to deedbot dev
BingoBoingo: So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile
assbot: San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Arrested For Intervening Between Police And Her Client « CBS San Francisco ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10262 @ 0.00043147 = 4.4277 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Also Matonis spreading the @qntra tweets over and over again, not back to back...
assbot: Jon Matonis (@jonmatonis) | Twitter ... ( )
BingoBoingo wonders when he will realize... he can submit writing too as he atones for that unfortunate Foundation episode...
pete_dushenski: matonis is a pretty strong writer too
BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile.
pete_dushenski: just plunk down a coin on one side or the other and away you go
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer
BingoBoingo: 1+1=99
pete_dushenski: i guess i'm more of a gambling man
pete_dushenski: or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake
mike_c: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mod6> maybe i can whip something out
ben_vulpes: OH GOOD EVENING
ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book.
pete_dushenski: you betting on black BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Odds are favorable for betting the underdog.
BingoBoingo: I am betting on not Serena.
mod6: im workin on it
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00043255 = 17.6048 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"
mike_c: hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.
mike_c: or did you have to download it directly
ben_vulpes: this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target
ben_vulpes: then..."ghost".
mike_c: well, i just installed deb 6
ben_vulpes: how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?
mike_c: i'll deal with that tomorrow. one problem at a time :)
ben_vulpes: i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target << I though a lesson of Pogo is cheap was any sane *nix is target
ben_vulpes: oh all *nixen are the same nao?
ben_vulpes doesn't know anything about anything
ben_vulpes: or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix
ben_vulpes: an argument i've no basis to contest
mike_c: i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide.
ben_vulpes: gtfo ghost is less than a week old
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P
nubbins`: ;D
ben_vulpes: i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet
ben_vulpes cracks the archive
ben_vulpes: !up happyfr0gg
asciilifeform: had to manually download the 4.8 sources << for my crossdev buildatron, you have to.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Ah it is some American girl named Keys my money is on.
asciilifeform: debian << it's distro-agnostic, incidentally
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just beat the other Williams sister too.
asciilifeform: (buildatron, that is)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski:
assbot: 2015 Australian Open -- Women's quarterfinals - ESPN ... ( )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tar << self-explanatory in the comments
ben_vulpes: indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work.
asciilifeform: lol, it's a sh script
asciilifeform: not much there.
asciilifeform: but works.
ben_vulpes: okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao
asciilifeform: when used as prescribed (tm)
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: odds?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I got in at about 5.5 time my stake this afternoon.
BingoBoingo doesn't want to endorse any shady non-BitBet book in chan
pete_dushenski: that's a healthy slope
pete_dushenski: heck, i'd offer 5:1 for 0.1 btc
BingoBoingo: Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller
pete_dushenski: ^anyone may take
BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo help the guy get in the wot, why not.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao < ?! lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo works
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mike_c: would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags..
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked."
mircea_popescu: ha-HA! it will, because we happened.
mircea_popescu: except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd,
mircea_popescu: it will be both, before pornmonging physchopats etc.
asciilifeform: gotta ask,
asciilifeform: what is a 'croc' ?
mircea_popescu: bad plastic shoes
asciilifeform: crock of shit ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny.
asciilifeform: aha.
pete_dushenski: "comfiest shoes ever"
pete_dushenski: also "ugliest"
mircea_popescu: (it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79550 @ 0.000434 = 34.5247 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'history rhymes'
lobbes: mircea_popescu: thanks for exposing me to tlp. I especially enjoyed 'hipsters on foodstamps'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what is a 'croc' ? << Plastic clog footwear sold in mall walkways. Watchstand I worked at has a croc dealer as a neighbor. Things seem practical as an alternative shoe for some kinds of boating and little else.
mircea_popescu: lobbes i dun recall who invented him here. mebbe bb ?
BingoBoingo: I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: Look at the bug wandering into future amber
assbot: This critique of /yanisvaroufakis is way less convincing than Varoufakis's critique of bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
mircea_popescu: yeah well, apple pie is probably a lot more convincing than working out.
mircea_popescu: "convincing" is not a criterion.
asciilifeform: re: mapOrphanBlocks: there is some confusion of terminology in the source. the orphan blocks in question are not the orphan blocks spoken of usually (i.e. blocks on dead ends of the tree) but rather any block for which the antecedent is not yet loaded by the node
asciilifeform: hence the nondeterminism. the blocks arrive in braindamaged order and are not sorted in any intelligent way
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015."
mircea_popescu: derp.
asciilifeform: nor does is fetching mechanism steered
mircea_popescu: when your enemy says this ain't convincing you just scored.
asciilifeform: and wtf is with the two entirely disjoint concepts named 'orphan'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1
asciilifeform: i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Slate is conviced housing will boost Merica's economy instead of America's housing customs coalescing into multi-generational domiciles common in much of the unbezzel'd world
assbot: Millennials living with parents: We just can't leave the nest apparently ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "we're just seeking a power structure"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
asciilifeform: that great invention, communal flat, has won over the americans.
asciilifeform: four bois/gurlz to a flat, room each, one shitter, one kitchenette, tv pit.
mircea_popescu: clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: such victory of socialism.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized.
asciilifeform: the variant described above is the 'luxury' btw.
BingoBoingo: Of course
asciilifeform: for those with slightly less-loaded parents, same arrangement informally, with higher density
asciilifeform: and more vermin
punkman: ^ super common around here
asciilifeform: in converted victorian houses
asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
mircea_popescu: clearly, the rich are very very affraid of this scum.
asciilifeform: (ended up with a normal one)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated.
mike_c: mod6: you interested in feedback on this script?
mircea_popescu: let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco
asciilifeform: it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz
mircea_popescu: you know, the "silicon valley"
asciilifeform: owner introduces, says, 'this fella wants the place'
asciilifeform: they 'which room'
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In this region that flavor is still mostly confined to close proximity to universities.
asciilifeform: me: 'what room'
punkman: hah
asciilifeform: it had the oddest heater i've ever seen
asciilifeform: something quite like a jet engine, mounted in the cellar
asciilifeform: blowing through a grate in floors one and two
asciilifeform: vertically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for.
asciilifeform: you stand on the grate and peer in the fiery abyss.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i wasn't thinking of subleasing them
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin'.
asciilifeform: they'd be out on their arses
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat"
mircea_popescu: and yet these are the derps going on about "intrinsic worth" on reddit.
asciilifeform: but i didn't take that building, owner refused to carry out construction work i wanted.
mircea_popescu: it'd better be *intrinsic* knamean ?
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: it was surreal, seeing how these folks each live in room the size of toilet in my old flat
mircea_popescu: one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads
asciilifeform: and with tv each, some books (all school-related, counted), titanic piles of clothing forming a kind of underbrush in each
mircea_popescu: then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: most zoologically educational experience i had in years.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury
BingoBoingo: Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents.
mike_c: well look at that. thanks foundation!
assbot: ... ( )
mike_c: relatively painless.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79300 @ 0.00043257 = 34.3028 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'Right now, the U.S. household formation rate (essentailly the pace at which people, typically young adults, are moving out on their own) is incredibly low. When it speeds up, you'll see more demand for housing, and the things that come along with it, like appliances, furniture, televisions, and so forth. So, you know, just think of this graph as increasing potential.' << mega-lol!
asciilifeform: ~= 'think of this sinking titanic as increasing potential! when it hits the bottom of the sea, it will inevitably bounce up, with such strength that it will fly to the moon !111!'
mod6: it's coming....
asciilifeform: well, it half-works.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
asciilifeform: from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps;
asciilifeform: and realists, who are building kommunalki.
asciilifeform: the latter, in the initial designs are laughably low-density - but can always be packed tighter.
asciilifeform: and tighter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00042991 = 19.7329 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: wd mike_c :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ someone did it eh
mike_c: only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed
asciilifeform: mike_c: what that mod6's script, or mine ?
mike_c: mod6
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density.
asciilifeform: aha, how else.
mircea_popescu: like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"
mircea_popescu: burned at stake.
mircea_popescu: !up testsasdfqwer
asciilifeform: no one paints 'gasenwagen' on the van. they paint 'kaiser kaffee'.
pete_dushenski: mike_c: what tweaks did it take to get it going on deb6?
mike_c: had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages
mike_c: a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error
mike_c: and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it
mike_c: but all in all, worked like a champ.
pete_dushenski: sweet. wd
mircea_popescu: mike_c what is this running on ? pc ?
mike_c: yup
mircea_popescu: cool.
mike_c: i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.
mircea_popescu: ayup.
mircea_popescu: foundation definitely going the right path.
asciilifeform: as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases << gnu autoconf is the culprit 99%
asciilifeform: of the time.
decimation: re: walnut creek < I remember. I also remember when you could get shareware by mailorder catalog - on floppies
mircea_popescu: pre gates.
asciilifeform: autoconf, what a sad joke. so often dwarfs the proggy it's distributed with!
mod6: mike_c: \o/ neat pic :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00042441 = 29.3692 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: decimation: i admit to having been mildly surprised to learn today that vanished years ago. i sorta expected some shrivelled, mummufied husk to still be there.
asciilifeform: the evil things of that time - all are still there, in some zombie form (aol, yahoo, microshit)
asciilifeform: the bright things - vanished
mircea_popescu: << so as the trafic grows, the women and aa demographics continue to shrink.
assbot: Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( )
asciilifeform: who remembers the finnish ftp search engine?
decimation: ibiblio is still around
asciilifeform: nothing like it was built again
asciilifeform: (i'd love to know why)
decimation got internet in 1994, only had bbs before that
decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis
BingoBoingo: !up Rozal
lobbes: decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands
decimation: lobbes: indeed. born consumers
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat ?
decimation: re: autoconf << horrible. whoever thought it was a good idea to write 'magic autoconfigure' in 'm4' ought to be negrated
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about everyone knows an 'arts type' with his photoshit
decimation: video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX
mike_c: lol. the "other" foundation also had a release
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right.
asciilifeform: decimation: typesetting - not sequencing
asciilifeform: (a sequencer typically has provisions for playback, and entry from external device)
BingoBoingo: ^ Yes
asciilifeform: as well as moving, well, sequences, around.
decimation believes that a dedicated machine ought to handle both of those functions
decimation remembers editing video on 'video toaster'
BingoBoingo: For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out.
Rozal: Thank you BingoBoingo
decimation: just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web
BingoBoingo: Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever
Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days
asciilifeform: decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer'
asciilifeform: aside from the twirly-knobs
mike_c: asciilifeform:
assbot: bitcoin-qt out-of-virtual-address-space problem · Issue #2353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( )
mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."
asciilifeform: why the fuck does it even fetch block n when n-1 is not present ?
asciilifeform: who conceived of this, and on what drug
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00043859 = 14.8243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: nobodybelievesyou comments on New Coinbase Bitcoin Exchange Is the Best One Yet ... ( )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPEED!!!
asciilifeform: more like retardation
asciilifeform: (what kind of dope is a direct opposite of 'speed' ?)

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