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asciilifeform: chlorpromazine ?
BingoBoingo: Clozapine is probably closer to an exact opposite
BingoBoingo: Either that or good old vitamin H
assbot: Chlorpromazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
BingoBoingo uses the traditional vitamin H, haloperidol as an example not pop culture Horse drug
decimation: "like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"" << most us cities have zoning rules specifically banning multiple occupants, multiple buildings, converting house to apartment, etc
decimation: most even have rules requiring a minimum floor size
mike_c: so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750. if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it.
asciilifeform: yes. every major population centre.
asciilifeform: but in practice there are 'grandfathered exceptions' etc
asciilifeform: because you gotta put all those warm bodies somewhere
asciilifeform: and (at least presently) the white kidz can't be placed just anywhere
decimation: asciilifeform: in the tenements owned by the rulemakers of course
cazalla: get home from holidays, bouncer autojoins #b-a and our friendly ddosser caught me slippin'
cazalla: ;;rate rozal -10 alleged that i stole bitcoin from him, fabricated logs and confessed to doing so, avoid at all costs - my logs here
assbot: Page not found | ... ( )
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rozal has changed from -3 to -10.
cazalla: fucking cunt put a dent in the first day of my holiday
Rozal: Yawn
Rozal: Doesn't effect my business :)
BingoBoingo: !up GoldenVizions
cazalla: it will when you go beyond nickles and dimes Rozal
BingoBoingo: !up Rozal
Rozal: Anyways, I think the matter is closed and I don't wish to create more drama
assbot: I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed. - Imgur ... ( )
asciilifeform: if there's one thing ancient wots had over ours, it was branding.
asciilifeform: not the idiot american marketing term
asciilifeform: but branding.
asciilifeform: as in, hot iron.
asciilifeform: as a pill against 'it won't affect my business'
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asciilifeform: just picture the sizzling iron, 'S' for sp4mz0r, ...
asciilifeform: tsssh-ssss.
BingoBoingo: I will admit to "imagining"
mod6: on the last part...
mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
BingoBoingo: Saying one's business is unaffected though is almost always a tacit admission one's business prospects have been affected.
BingoBoingo: ;;rated Rozal
gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment
asciilifeform: mike_c: unless you were very careful, node may have problems receiving newly born blocks.
mike_c: i was not careful. question that will be potentially answered: was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k.
Rozal: Hmm, so your implying that it has effected my business
Rozal: affected*
Rozal: I use otc for small trades, and haven't had a single bad trade. I think I'll be alright
BingoBoingo: The world does not merely exist in the present as people fretting about future memory exhaustion demonstrate.
cazalla: anyways, i bbl, need some sleep after long drive
mircea_popescu: o look at that, it's a cazalla!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2589 @ 0.00043899 = 1.1365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4601 @ 0.0004398 = 2.0235 BTC [+]
mod6: damn. literally on the last step here.
mod6: but apparently you have to be in the src dir to execute the `make -f makefile.unix` successfully.
mod6: maybe i can use this chdir thing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on rereading log - that jet engine heater - exists elsewhere ?!
asciilifeform wants to see photos of it
asciilifeform thought it was unique to that one dump
BingoBoingo: not "jet engine" shape, but upblowing furnace not uncommon
assbot: Standard Forced Air Furnaces ... ( )
asciilifeform: these are normal forced air furnaces
asciilifeform: for ducts
asciilifeform: i have one here.
asciilifeform: that thing - was actually a cylindrical beast, 3 or so metres tall, ~2 wide
asciilifeform: enormous propeller inside, and diesel oil tank on other end of room.
mod6: ok that worked.
mod6: *whew*
BingoBoingo: Ah, that is less common. Sounds like a fad riding a postwar technology trend
asciilifeform: was nominally retired in favour of forced-air system clumsily retrofitted (fat hose in each room, shedding insulation)
asciilifeform: but still there, on account of no one having paid to have it cut with torches and removed
mod6: ye ole 3 hour tour
BingoBoingo: Sounds like standard landlord fare.
mod6: root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# grep "Bitcoin version" ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
mod6: Bitcoin version
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: found it! turns out, these were called 'floor furnace'.
BingoBoingo: Forced only by physics
asciilifeform: there was propeller
asciilifeform: but no ducts
assbot: French prisons, long hotbeds of radical Islam, get new scrutiny after Paris attacks - The Washington Post ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
asciilifeform: or rather, there was a space between floor 0 and 1
asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me
asciilifeform: but it did
mod6: ok
mod6: it'll need some clean up perhaps... but if anyone wants to give that a shot... i had success with that, about 3 times just now
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably because such unusual solutions tend to leave impressions. I similarly remember house that happened to be along infrequently traveled highway with porch overhand supported by unfinished bark on sections of tree trunk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was also a memorable house that wasn't level.
asciilifeform: as in, put a marble on the floor and it will roll.
asciilifeform: also had what was apparently an extension, with entirely different inclination
asciilifeform: sinking into the earth
asciilifeform: and a 'second floor' that was about 1m tall
asciilifeform: (converted attic)
BingoBoingo: DC area is notorious for "settling" issues
asciilifeform: with the one habitable 10 sq. m. or so, converted into a toilet and gigantic bathtub
BingoBoingo: Here there tends to be a divide amongst neighborhoods capable of basements and undermined areas where basement might lead to extra unfinished floorspace.
BingoBoingo: Thanks to the coal mining that happened
asciilifeform: ^ no, not a nazi crematorium. home furnace.
mod6: looks like freddy crugers old furnace
mod6: *kruger
assbot: The Islamic State’s Dragunov sniper rifles, in photos - The Washington Post ... ( )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: barrel resource ~= 1000 rounds.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Barrel is almost always the or a limiting factor
assbot: Former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling convicted in leak case - The Washington Post ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol
asciilifeform: this case dragged on for years
asciilifeform: and involved a hilarious usg idiocy
asciilifeform: basic summary:
mod6: asciilifeform: you try that thing out, or did you build by hand?
asciilifeform: mod6: not yet
mod6: aight.
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asciilifeform: ru nuke man defected with drawings for detonator electronics
asciilifeform: it was of no use to usa because, well, had own
asciilifeform: but they shelved it, for later
asciilifeform: the 'later' came when another ru nuke jockey defected
asciilifeform: plans were doctored (subtly embugged) and given to sandia (iirc) labs to test
asciilifeform: monkeys puttered around for an entire quarter and fixed one of the half dozen or so deliberate mistakes
asciilifeform: (cia told them nothing)
asciilifeform: the latter decided it was fit for disinfo use, and sent ru chump to iran to sell it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1300 @ 0.00098007 = 1.2741 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: he did not know the bugs were deliberate... promptly fixed.
asciilifeform: like, in minutes.
BingoBoingo: Physics is a bitch
asciilifeform: this was leaked by the fella in that picture
asciilifeform: usg ended up grudgingly trotting out all of the original documents proving that every word was true
asciilifeform: in order to convict him
asciilifeform: (they're on 'cryptome')
asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc.
BingoBoingo: I recall in middle and High School hosting some rather complete plans plainly on the public web because of FOIA which have since been memory holed
asciilifeform: 'The case against Sterling was largely circumstantial — there were no recorded phone conversations or captured e-mail exchanges that show that he leaked classified information to Risen — and that required prosecutors’ to delve deeply into Sterling’s work and the details of Risen’s book. By prosecutors’ account, Sterling was the only potential source who had a relationship with Risen, knew all of the information fro
asciilifeform: m the chapter at issue and had a motive to discuss his clandestine work. They argued that the book — which suggested that the secret operation might actually have helped further Iran’s nuclear research — was somewhat inaccurate and that it cast Sterling as a hero and the CIA as hapless.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.0004398 = 11.2589 BTC [+]
assbot: This alleged Russian spy ring was interested in some very dangerous things - The Washington Post ... ( )
asciilifeform: d3st4b1l1z1ng our m4rk3tz!
mircea_popescu: Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days << o boy.
mircea_popescu: !up Rozal
mircea_popescu: mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." << not really fixed in any sense. just, counter-kludged.
asciilifeform: again, reminder for readers, these are -not- orphan blocks in the sense of 'orphaned transactions' and dead tree branches
mod6: anyway, let me know how it goes. im out.
mod6: later!
mircea_popescu: maybne the proper term is "parentless"
mircea_popescu: as opposed to "proper" orphans ?
assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( )
asciilifeform: according to that pile of shit on cryptome, the 'bugs' were mainly omissions of component values in an analogue circuit.
asciilifeform: because, apparently, no man alive can derive them again
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this.
asciilifeform: without tw3nty y34rz m4nh0urz
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I honestly at first though cazalla was making too much of this until... Rozal fabircated theft allegations against cazalla, which he would later confess to only when caught in a lie.
mircea_popescu hasn't looked into things.
BingoBoingo: ;;rated Rozal
gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment
asciilifeform: 170700.
BingoBoingo: ^ relevant dramas linked
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know im so impressed with that little train engine...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have one yet ?
mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.
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asciilifeform: can it be had in the land of the colocolo and ocelot ?
BingoBoingo: Choo Choo
mircea_popescu: dubious.
mircea_popescu: if worst comes to worst ima have friends import em when visiting.
asciilifeform: i'll be sure to bring a few.
asciilifeform: we can always do a build for whatever nas-gizmotron -is- available down there.
mircea_popescu: you'll be easy to pick up in the airport. "fetch me the guy that's inside a pile of boxes"
mircea_popescu: $conference
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 19 days. Estimated cost today: 8.08122669 BTC (Details: )
asciilifeform: i'd still rather eat actual food and have to import gizmos, than vice-versa
asciilifeform eats considerably more food than gizmo
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform defo.
mircea_popescu: also, gizmos keep.
asciilifeform: typically.
asciilifeform: when they don't grow little legs at customs office
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me << because it's pretty fuckin stupid.
mircea_popescu: and if custom guy wants to steal the thing to run his own node i dun mind lol.
mircea_popescu: not like i import the usual sort of teledildonics / ipads
assbot: widget now with serial console - Imgur ... ( )
mircea_popescu: The Post Recommends: Remember Russia? It’s still doomed.
asciilifeform: ahahaha.
asciilifeform: (who wants pinout, can find it in thread from 2-3 days ago)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. << i recall that. i also recall thinking "gee whiz, what a pointless thing nukes actually are."
asciilifeform: much buck, little bang
asciilifeform: at least, if sits on shelf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00043222 = 19.666 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Cuba demands Guantanamo Bay in return for US ties - Al Jazeera English ... ( )
mircea_popescu: they got their own perople to put in there huh
mats: the cubans ought to sublease the place
mats: maybe the americans will cover utilities
mircea_popescu: actually... i doubt obama would mind giving it to them, provided the cia etc still gets to use it.
mircea_popescu: buncha derps in there nobody knows what to do with anyway
mircea_popescu: the very dangerous terrorists of not particularly.
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[]bot: Bet created: "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar"
assbot: Smallest ever chess program: 487 bytes ... ( )
fluffypony: that is impressive
mircea_popescu: 487 bytes ? yeah.
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
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phillipsjk: OK, I got more data on the DDOS
nubbins`: asciilifeform is that just a basic FTDI adapter you've got hooked up to it? i'll take those pinouts if you've got a !search query handy
phillipsjk: It is a UDP fragment flood lasting about 30 minutes. about 0.3% of the packets were ICMP messages. Not sure if they are looking for "no route to host" from an intermediate router or what.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2085 @ 0.00096444 = 2.0109 BTC [-] {5}
phillipsjk: The second time (when I reconnected my router after the attack dropped to ~12kiB/s) the ICMP packets were making up about 0.9% of the packets.
phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P
nubbins`: wild
nubbins`: my netflix streaming quality *has* improved since i got a cloak
nubbins`: shrug
nubbins`: fiber to the door = ntb
trinque: my modem has gone down a couple times times this week
trinque: could just be shitty comcast
nubbins`: ok, pogoplug ordered
nubbins`: $27usd incl. shipping to the great white north(east)
phillipsjk: I found the attacker were enough to slow down the router. (Loading the web interface takes a while while under attack)
nubbins`: that's mildly inconvenient
phillipsjk: it was not unuseable or anything. Logging into the router from my Pentium-II (using X forwarding) was *way* more painful.
phillipsjk does not trust Internet-facing admin interfaces
phillipsjk: Wikipedia says ntb may be a "net-top-box"?
nubbins`: not too bad
nubbins`: ;;ud ntb
gribble: | ntb. Internet Shortform: Not Too Bad. How you doing? ntb thanks. by mode_seven February ... "Yeah I asked him but he totally gave me the NTB. Awkward city.".
nubbins`: could just ask next time ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00041785 = 24.9874 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: i'm gonna order some kialara bars today, anyone want one?
phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. 1. No servers. 2. They request detail GIS images from municipalities, but only give back "as build" diagrams in PDF format for "proprietary reasons"
nubbins`: !search out of ink
assbot: 6 results for 'out of ink' :
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.0004263 = 25.4501 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45585 @ 0.00042148 = 19.2132 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00043347 = 8.5394 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3556 @ 0.00090651 = 3.2235 BTC [-] {33}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3911 @ 0.00084589 = 3.3083 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1560 @ 0.00083952 = 1.3097 BTC [-] {8}
davout: fluffypony: medium-kek, the previous one you posted was top-kek tho
davout: :D
fluffypony: glad you enjoyed it:)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042881 = 17.5812 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4138 @ 0.00089999 = 3.7242 BTC [+]
assbot: Trezor Code no Longer LGPLv3, but now more restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License : Bitcoin ... ( )
danielpbarron: !gettrust inBitweTrust
assbot: inBitweTrust is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1614 @ 0.00087192 = 1.4073 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: We purposedly choose to change licence on commit after it was forked by chinese.
jurov: this...i'm at loss of words.
assbot: Theophilus London - Tribe (NGHTMRE Remix) by NGHTMRE - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( )
davout: jurov: pretty derpy heh
nubbins`: trezor fail
mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042492 = 16.9756 BTC [-]
mats: " we're aware that this won't stop Chinese to copy our product, but this step gives a sign that we're not happy with it. This is more about a moral urge to their customers."
nubbins`: HAHAHA
nubbins`: "we know it won't solve the problem, but a huge FUCK YOU to our customers will discourage competitors from messing with us again"
nubbins`: do the chinese guys have a github?
mats: i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork
mats: on my mobile tho so i can't check
assbot: SLC Creepy Daycare Saga : conspiracy ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00042152 = 17.2823 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00086228 = 1.5521 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00042492 = 11.0054 BTC [+]
davout: mats: "i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork" <<< they seem to have the same problem in -dev
davout: !gettrust punkman
assbot: Trust relationship from user davout to user punkman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. | |
davout: punkman: you're greek amirite?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00043051 = 42.9649 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00043209 = 23.4625 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
davout: danielpbarron: you actually use bitcointalk trust?
danielpbarron: *I* don't use it, but I leave ratings in there sometimes for people who do use it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00043211 = 5.1421 BTC [+]
davout: ic
davout: this fork-off thread is pretty lulzy
davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself
lobbes: lol >> "Then the alt gave me positive trust. I didn't ask for it!!"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
mircea_popescu: long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. << definitely a power grab.
nubbins`: danielpbarron lel
mircea_popescu: lol @ dat trezor drama.
mircea_popescu: "so derps beat you to market ? that's ok, give them half a year they'll hang themselves."
mircea_popescu: mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot << in fairness, i think his involvement with this was more in the lines of typical forum scams (name lending - btw, always a bad idea)
mircea_popescu: davout: they seem to have the same problem in -dev ,<< top kek :D
mircea_popescu: davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself << there's an entire generation of fucktards who pretty much run on this software with little else.
mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. but they do so expect.
assbot: a toca do coelho | Yeppuda Productions ... ( )
mircea_popescu: imagine this shit, i can actually read portuguese straight up!
mircea_popescu: will wonders never cease.
mircea_popescu: "Nos primórdios, minha fonte principal de notícias sobre Bitcoin era o Bitcointalk Forum. Mas eu cansei de lá." << first off, my principal source of news on bitcoin was teh tardstalk forum. i got sick of it.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. << gubment teat, of course
mircea_popescu: then the discussions re meatpacking yest. "why are landlords slumming them up ?" "because they're basically sheep ?"
thestringpuller: south parkifying names: Eloqua becomes Elequeef
mircea_popescu: eloqua ?!
mircea_popescu: shit, coelho means rabbit ?! omfg. WILL WONDERS!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cazalla im calling you j. coelho henceforth!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: He should raise a rabbit named Bugs.
mircea_popescu: and a cockroach named goat ?
thestringpuller: El Gringo Pussygatto
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli actually iirc assbot is not a gribble fork. gribble is supybot, and i dun think kakobreklaa pythons much. i dun actually recall what it was derived from tho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: that said, is a pretty awesome way to start your own irc bot.
assbot: Supybook ... ( )
thestringpuller: "I wrote Facebook in the course of a few weeks," said Mark Zuckerberg. The site now "worth" billions, concludes socialisms last stand against its inevitable erosion from humanity.
mircea_popescu: i guess scratch lottery is the way to beat zuck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00043275 = 11.6193 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Except when someone who doesn't deserve money wins, and then you find them in a ditch somewhere with 5 needles in there arm and a crack pipe in their mouth.
mircea_popescu: !rated felipelalli
assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
mircea_popescu: !unrate felipelalli
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.felipelalli:811fb8713831e0da1b08ff8b05f3bc76531e2d3f6864f7a733bbc08409566d52
assbot: Successfully unrated felipelalli
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. | |
mircea_popescu: hory shit i like assbot. curl an' there you go.
mircea_popescu: who knew the web SUCKED
mircea_popescu: at least before getting a fucking alternative up and running. like the "white" walls that are just about puke gray.
mircea_popescu: you won't know until someone brings some white stuff indoors.
thestringpuller: aka the GE Reveal marketing campaign :P
asciilifeform: 9 oomkills over the night.
mircea_popescu: slowed down huh.
nubbins`: !search hitler
assbot: 218 results for 'hitler' :
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the kills take longer and longer to recover from as the thing gets fatter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured.
asciilifeform: trezor news << For the love of god, Montrezor!
mircea_popescu: seems so huh.
mircea_popescu: well, kinda why we run things, find out.
asciilifeform: and of course zimmerman's turdphone or whatever it was called, will carry on 'as if nothing happened'
thestringpuller: !s lizard hitler
assbot: 38 results for 'lizard hitler' :
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now it's the best heuristic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1716 @ 0.00082999 = 1.4243 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ?
mircea_popescu: if so, then he's with souflakis.
mircea_popescu: "statal continuity" we could call it.
mircea_popescu: al gore, after being a total muppet, did he go commit sepukku quietly somewhere ? nope, still there, still doing substantiall the same thing. romney, after his beyond ludicrous failure with his "super duper website' thigee, did he quit ? nope... still there.
mircea_popescu: heck, his wiki page does not even mention it.
mircea_popescu: 27k words, no mention of "website", no mention of "software", wikipedia relevant as ever.
mircea_popescu: all that article needed was a thick red "Idiot who was going to make the first best and greatest election website. He failed."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5457 @ 0.00043928 = 2.3972 BTC [-]
assbot: The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News Politics President - ... ( )
mircea_popescu: by next year it's going to be completely gone, and the muppets ready to be sent against a wall again.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4388.36 B (80%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 4`868 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign. I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead this country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader."
mircea_popescu: "and i'm going to take two weeks of and carry on regardless, because the "all" on the field was really nothing at all."
davout: asciilifeform: "the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured." <<< doesn't the whole thing work that way because you can't request peers to give you blocks matching a certain height in their chain?
nubbins`: y'know, yes could totally still win
nubbins`: btc just needs to be at $7k 30-day avg by mid-march
nubbins` searches for usd wallet
mike_c: you mean $700.
assbot: Shmoocon 2015 Videos: Playlist Version : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( )
mats: best one is prob #40: james forshaw's winders sandbox paradox
nubbins`: i can has math
nubbins`: i do indeed
mircea_popescu: nubbins` moar like 7-800
mircea_popescu: starting in a coupla weeks or so.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if i end up winning that thing it'll make a pretty great story. enough for an autobiography at any rate.
mircea_popescu: "how i challenged buffett and won millions in the process"
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 217160.00÷ 314.59764223
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 217160.00 / 314.59764223
gribble: 690.278536294
mircea_popescu: it dropped, apparently.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00043444 = 5.4522 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: I wouldn't be surprised if the price shot up to 700 for one day.
thestringpuller: Seen crazier things.
thestringpuller: nubbins`:
mircea_popescu: tis bitcoin.
mats: up 12% since opening o_o
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.00044127 = 40.1776 BTC [+] {4}
Apocalyptic: mats, still lower than it was on Tuesday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54713 @ 0.00043708 = 23.914 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: yes assbot is no fork. its written in worlds most hated language.
danielpbarron: !gettrust SatoshiLabs
assbot: SatoshiLabs is not registered in WoT.
mike_c: idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool.
ben_vulpes: another thousand plus line day
ben_vulpes: y'all are killin me
ben_vulpes: !unrate felipelalli
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.0004287 = 28.68 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.unrate.felipelalli:ba53d39c9a996d90a8e2747bcde7b7549369b170b1d50edd388b8f8788f71ddb
assbot: Successfully unrated felipelalli
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | |
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli no hard feelings
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: thestringpuller fun
kakobrekla: the hell that is < ill tell if noone figures it out
trinque: dunno could be rubby
TomServo: kakobrekla: is it emitting light or is that a reflection?
kakobrekla: reflection
TomServo: hmph, one of those 'air motion' tweeters?
TomServo: er, ribbon tweeter is the common name?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96991 @ 0.0004412 = 42.7924 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: yeah, almost 100 years old invention - a ribbon twitter, in open baffle
kakobrekla: in a normal speaker you have a coil suspended in magnetic field and that moves the (small) cone with terrible side effects
kakobrekla: here alu foil is suspended in a magnetic field and acts as a coil with huge surface
kakobrekla: and very little mass.
TomServo: pretty cool. Is that a custom box?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. << tablets, "smartphones"
ben_vulpes: <davout> asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind << me too, me too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64908 @ 0.00042457 = 27.558 BTC [-] {3}
davout: ben_vulpes: to be completely fair there was an osx-specific bug that got my db corrupted
ben_vulpes: blech
kakobrekla: TomServo these were custom developed for me by a friend who runs a high end speakers co.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00044448 = 17.6459 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2235 @ 0.00084006 = 1.8775 BTC [-] {7}
mats: Apocalyptic: ya. i bought at close yesterday. its up 18% nao
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, does your build script build the R.I. on obsd? (haven't had a chance to try it yet)
mod6: oh nm, i need to learn to read. thought it said OPENBSD not OPENSSL
mod6: nice
mod6: how many times has it died?
asciilifeform: 15 or so.
mod6: ah, yikes. we'll keep working on the map of orphans problem into next month for sure.
mod6: I appreciate any help/guidence you can provide in that direction.
asciilifeform: mike_c might have the answer already.
mod6: well, he was just looking at how they limit to 750 in forward versions right?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 05:26:57; mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
mod6: oh yeah cool.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00042281 = 14.439 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: openbsd << it should build anywhere the dependencies build, theoretically. nothing linux-specific in there, much less distro-specific.
mod6: we want to get this thing running on openbsd, but in the 5 minutes i looked at it, iirc there was a database version change and maybe another thing or two that needed to change. can't recall off the bat.
mod6: but yeah, that's one of the goals for this year is to get it going there.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli You can self voice again
mats: #b-a so fickle
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 321731021.91
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341060 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1659 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47714824514.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.60819
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 295*1.15
gribble: 339.25
trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment
trinque: in terms of a programming environment, SQL dominates this "wad of json" business
trinque: talked with ben_vulpes last night about the deedbot "publisher" service, which does the blockchain timestamping
mike_c: asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing.
trinque: what we came up with was just rolling forward from the transaction which funded deedbot first and finding spendable outputs each time, then using one to stamp
asciilifeform: mike_c: not one block ?
mike_c: no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change
trinque: seems like with a well-thought-out schema this is a trivial sql query
mike_c: so i gotta dig in more.
trinque: you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field
trinque: whose fault is the btc json thing? nosql people?
assbot: bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.9.0 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( )
trinque: insert into raw_transaction (...) values (...); << and fuck the jsonrpc
TheNewDeal: copyright The Bitcoin Developers. fml
ben_vulpes: what is copyright?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thanks for the find
mod6: at the top of that file
TheNewDeal: apparently a line of text at the top of a file
mod6: i think all of 'em say that now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00041933 = 10.63 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: mod6: more asking "what does copyright even mean in a world of bitcoin?"
ben_vulpes: i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write.
mod6: The Bitcoin Developers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPower Rangers
mod6: ben_vulpes: ah.
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges
mod6: well, if he removed the entire orphanMap, then it if the chain split off and became the new best chain, it can't move forward.
mod6: not sure what the specifics were there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00042693 = 11.271 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: if the chain split off where, at 144k?
mod6: well, for instance if you received the blocks out of order, and then you got the child of 144,000 a few after some others, then it can't continue
danielpbarron: is it seriously block # 144k? or is that approx?
mike_c: approx.
mike_c: well i just blew it away and restarted it. we'll see how it does.
mod6: ok cool.
mod6: thanks for the help mike_c!
mike_c: my pleasure.
mod6: we appreciate all the help that the attendants of #b-a have given to the foundation & the effort to decruft the R.I.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00042754 = 7.0972 BTC [+]
mod6: Reference Implementation
TheNewDeal: anduck eh
TomServo: !up jumae
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.0009249 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00092493 = 2.3123 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, you're both prolly making too much of this. <<< not reary, i don't think anyone made a big deal of it, but i'm thankful BingoBoingo and danielpbarron were able to point out this guy's lies same day i left for holidays
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Blazedout419.-5:e40b0a47992f98d407f734b54afc958da19f8e6e71a05a105ca0a0603431534b
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Blazedout419 from -1 to -5 with note: maliciously stupid
danielpbarron: ;;later tell Blazedout419 wtf dude ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> im calling you j. coelho henceforth! <<< and when my son has kids, i can be.. wello coelho
thestringpuller: !rated danielpbarron
assbot: You have not rated danielpbarron.
cazalla: miss me thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not :\
thestringpuller: ;;rated danilepbarron
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thestringpuller: ;;rated danielpbarron
gribble: You rated user danielpbarron on Tue Jan 20 11:03:44 2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: crypto-priest.
thestringpuller: ugh 2 wots :P
thestringpuller: cazalla how do you feel about iggy azalea? :D
cazalla: dunno, thestringpuller only know that one song of hers but then only because weird al did it first
TheNewDeal: south park did a pretty good episode with iggy, lorde, and nicki minaj
TheNewDeal: lorde was played by one of the main character's fathers, dressed in drag
trinque: yayaya...
trinque: I actually thought lorde was a made-up singer until recently
cazalla: trinque, yeah that is what i thought after that episode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00041725 = 25.6192 BTC [-] {2}
davout: trinque: "you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field" <<< it's a bit more complicated than that
davout: but an sql datastore would be really cool indeed
trinque: davout: what did I overlook? that was assuming everything that got stored in sql was validated by say an insert trigger
davout: not all transactions are a transaction to a pubkey
davout: some implementations will let you store the DB in a SQL store iirc
trinque: davout: right, but the balance would be "that which has been spent to me, and not subsequently spent elsewhere"
davout: sure
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trinque: ben_vulpes tells me there's one that pulls it into postgresql too
trinque: davout: what kind of transaction does not involve a pubkey?
davout: trinque: p2sh for example
trinque: and would that be a concern of something trying to ascertain a balance
fluffypony: "balance" is subjective
davout: not really if you only use normal addresses
fluffypony: if you receive a transaction with an NLOCKTIME in the future is that part of your balance or the sender's balance?
davout: there's also multisig, that you can do with the dedicated script, or in the p2sh fashion
davout: fluffypony: balance(t) <-- fixed :-)
trinque: fluffypony: right, the subject being this bot, in this instance
trinque: so I can constrain the domain of things I care about
trinque: simple funding transactions, simple "publishing" transactions
davout: trinque: do you intend to run a full client for deedbot's needs?
trinque: using btcd at the moment
davout: i don't know shit about this one
trinque: has the same wad 'o json api
davout: the way i'd do it is simply keep an unspent out around
davout: when i have the addy to spend to for notarization, create a raw tx spending from that, and sending all the change back to the original address
davout: that way you keep one private key around, and you just need to track one txid that you reuse in the next tx
trinque: davout: I'm hesitant to keep my own count of btc when the correct value can be pulled from the node
trinque: say I send a transaction, get one confirmation, then the thing still ended up on the losing fork
TheNewDeal: davout , isn't p2sh nonstandard ?
davout: hrm yeah, i forgot about keeping count of the balance, for that you should be able to use the gettxout call though
davout: TheNewDeal: i don't think so
trinque: yup, that's where the "roll forward from first funding transaction's block" comes from
trinque: and then back to my rant re: holy shit this is a trivial query with well-structured data
trinque: anyhow that's what I'll do for now
davout: TheNewDeal: failed miserably at detecting them for a while, don't know if that's changed since, but afaik it's perfectly standard, and nodes will relay them
trinque: since the thing publishes once an hour, rolling forward doesn't seem that big a deal
trinque: each time it's funded the starting point will advance, too
davout: trinque: so you keep the txid around, query your client for the txout and work from there? not very clear on what you mean
jurov: mod6 i like the banner. not sure we're all necessarily cryptoanarchists, tho
jurov: there it alt least one cryptokyriarch
jurov: *at
jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy
trinque: davout: we did not find a way to just "get all utxos" from btcd, could've overlooked something obvious. barring that, I can roll forward from the block where it was first funded and just chew on all the transactions from there forward looking for relevant ones
ben_vulpes: yeah i've lost the btcd documentation
davout: trinque: if you import a private key into bitcoind you'll get the 'listunspent' call, don't know about btcd
trinque: davout: right, if I use a wallet, wallet does everything for me
davout: but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key
trinque: btcd has btcwallet, seems overkill
mod6: jurov: gotcha.
mod6: think we should switch to the black & hacker-green motif?
ben_vulpes: yeah looks great :D
davout: if you're not using the wallet you just know the first out you spend, and you know the next one from the raw tx you create, you still need 'gettxout' to not have to follow the balance around
ben_vulpes: mod6: ^^
jurov: nah. i'm for Comic Sans on pink backgeroubd
jurov: *background
davout: anyway, have fun!
mats: black and green is unreadable
ben_vulpes: <davout> but it's not possible to get the list of unspent outs given an arbitrary private key << wat
ben_vulpes: mats: fuck reading
mats: think of the poor souls that are red green colorblind
davout: ben_vulpes: bitcoind doesn't provide any way to retrieve a list of unspent outs for a key that's not in your wallet
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: anyway, back to ganja << FIFY
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ben_vulpes: davout yeah i gotcha
TheNewDeal: he's saying your on the weed
TheNewDeal: you*re
ben_vulpes: davout shouldn't even be a concern for a "node"
davout: sure
ben_vulpes: f'n wallets
ben_vulpes: f'n utxos
ben_vulpes: f'n pruning
ben_vulpes: it's malice! all malice, i tell you.
mircea_popescu: you fighting the malice mice /
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mircea_popescu: trinque: I'm starting to itch for a sqlite+deturdolatedbitcoind experiment <<< wha happened to deedbot ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: 'tis what caused it; not working on the sqlite thing atm tho
trinque: this "oh hey we added getutxos" thing... no!
trinque: just expose the damn data; let the thing using the data decide what questions are interesting
mircea_popescu: but if you let people off the street do system design you get systems designed by people off the street.
trinque: mhm
kakobrekla: well good music is like a drug if thats what you meant
mircea_popescu: and a lot of political entrenchment and noncontent sprouting for pages.
mircea_popescu: the woodcollector guy spending weeks producing 10s of k's of words a day on the topic of nothing at all being the prototype for how that works.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah.
trinque: mircea_popescu: open source is dead to me
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol what's wello ?
cazalla: it's spanish for grandfather isn't it?
mircea_popescu: close enough i guess
cazalla: maybe the spanish kid 2 doors down as a kid was not spanish then, nfi, that is what he use to call his grandfather
mircea_popescu: "btcd won’t be supporting the command because it is completely unauthenticated and insecure as pointed out numerous times on the initial pull request. In response to these concerns, a section entitled “Authentication” was added to the BIP which attempts to address the concerns by simply calling them out along with some potential modifications that could happen in the future. However, we prefer to wait until the t
mircea_popescu: hings necessary to implement this functionality in a secure fashion are already in place, which Bitcoin Core should have done as well."
mircea_popescu: "The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core."
mircea_popescu: will wonders never cease.
mircea_popescu: just take that idiot out and shoot him already.
mircea_popescu: in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is. the dog learns to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore.
mircea_popescu: and im negrating anyone ever hiring him, on general principle.
mircea_popescu: davout, fluffypony < i don't think bitcoin reference supports either nlocktime or multisig.
mircea_popescu: both being spuriously stupid ideas anyway.
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what word... Serenissima Cryptokyriarchy << or Cryptokickyourbuttocracy why not.
mircea_popescu: mod6 where's this banner anyway ?
mod6: i just swapped it like 2 seconds ago
mod6: works pretty decent with lynx
mod6: <3 | h8
mod6: ?
pete_dushenski: nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block.
pete_dushenski: ^for those like me who didn't know
pete_dushenski: ya, seems spurious
davout: mircea_popescu: actually both are supported
davout: multisig in two different ways
davout: and nlocktime only in the original way, not in gmaxwell's/todd's way
jurov: lol @ that time discussion
jurov: in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude
jurov: no need to invent the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24501 @ 0.00042378 = 10.383 BTC [+]
jurov: mhm, did anyone already suggest time synchronization by actually tracking heavenly bodies by outdoor camera?
trinque: jurov: heh, I think decimation did
jurov: maybe but it was understood only in philosohical sense
jurov: while it's in fact actionable idea
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:23:30; *: decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
jurov imagines going asking for roof access and number of cloudless days around DC's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00041926 = 25.3652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1286 @ 0.00092397 = 1.1882 BTC [+] {4}
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assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( )
ben_vulpes: fuck an nlocktime
asciilifeform: 'multisig' is yet another chumpatronic engineering structural element, just as nlocktime is (see link)
asciilifeform: ultimate purpose of which is usg escrow of coin.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bashed quote is a clean cut, nicely done
asciilifeform: these two misfeatures are not accidental 'derperies' but have very specific, well-thought-out purpose.
ben_vulpes: i dislike them
ben_vulpes: cannot abide.
pete_dushenski: so off with its head!
asciilifeform: chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways
davout: why would they hang out in the mempool?
davout: utxo maybe, but mempool i dun see
punkman: I've seen nlocktime mentioned in various microtransaction derpage, needed to help fill those 20mb blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00041888 = 24.295 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.
cazalla: i think it was only december that they announced their bitcoin killer reddit notes
fluffypony: under 4 months from hire to fire
punkman: is that the "moar javascript" guy?
fluffypony: ad went out beginning of August
fluffypony: and he had started by Oct 1st
davout: cazalla: lol
pete_dushenski: Yum calculated that the transferred coins were worth a total of $13.4 million.
pete_dushenski: “You mean direct, one-to-one transfers?” prosecutor Timothy Howard asked Yum.
pete_dushenski: “Yes, direct, one-to-one transfers,” Yum responded.
pete_dushenski: mano a mano!
pete_dushenski: Remarkably, that total trail of drug-tainted coins represents more than four times as many bitcoins from Silk Road Ulbricht’s laptop than have yet been found and seized in the Silk Road investigation. It’s still not clear from Yum’s testimony where the rest of them ended up.
pete_dushenski: Given the mind-twisting complexity of the bitcoin blockchain for an unschooled jury, the defense may yet have plenty of room to inject doubt into the government’s analysis.
pete_dushenski: i should sincerely hope so
trinque: I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved
pete_dushenski: ya that'd be pretty rich
davout: wtf is south park waiting for? so much material
pete_dushenski: that'd be funny if karpeles was behind ethereum too
pete_dushenski: keep in mind that we're in late january and he promised, what, march delivery ?
pete_dushenski: tick tock vitalik
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trinque: End-user programming tool!
davout: bitcoin's visual basic yo
trinque: these legos suck
davout: fair trade programmable money on top of the blockchain technology
davout: pre-order here, receive in two weeks(tm)
trinque: b-b-but the website has that cool graph animation!
trinque: they win; they did the standard 1) build Responsive! (TM) website layout with big image at the top 2) kickstarter or the like 3) cut and run
trinque: this is how web business is *done*
danielpbarron: << notes on a possible redditnote qntra article
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: If you want to write one up...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00042442 = 29.0303 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Flabbergasted. Bulk of txns to Ulbricht's wallets weren't tumbled, can be traced directly to Silk Road. /hashtag/SilkRoadTrial?src=hash
davout: "has anyone said "lolbricht" yet"
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in fact, since earth is noninertial frame, even atomic time depends on latitude <
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42536 @ 0.00042357 = 18.017 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> chumpatronics aside, they also have the more pedestrian objective of creating GBs of turdsactions that bob about in mempool indefinitely, blowing up memory footprint in non-mitigable ways << in any case that unpleasant side effect.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> under 4 months from hire to fire << progress.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I think I'd die laughing if Karpeles was actually involved << his being *completely* uninvolved is improbable on the face.
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin-derp community is very... how shall we put this politely...
mircea_popescu: incestuous.
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, here's what i got so far: | am I forgetting anything?
ben_vulpes: oh man if this kills reddit i'm going to pop a hernia laughing
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks good so far. Anything else you want to add?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6456 @ 0.00042694 = 2.7563 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: i mean i could ramble on about why reddit sucks or why altcoins suck, but that seems to be the meat of the story
danielpbarron: in the intrests of brevity, i'm ok with it as is
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.5, Best ask: 234.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 234.49, 24 hour volume: 26344.77687968, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 242.18, 24 hour vwap: 232.064793104
ben_vulpes: noice
ben_vulpes: i had people calling the bottom at 185
ben_vulpes: (which obviously never happened)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97223 @ 0.00041636 = 40.4798 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable.
Naphex: maybe he wanted to port all reddit to js :o
Naphex: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ?
mircea_popescu: Naphex was in log earlier you know :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80534 @ 0.00043111 = 34.719 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50221 @ 0.00043333 = 21.7623 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: xD
Naphex: i just lold, tought id share :D
mircea_popescu: heh, the gavin idiots. "The chart below illustrates the growth in the number of transactions per day along with Bitcoin's market cap1. There is a strong correlation between the two variables2. If the correlation continues to hold, it suggests that the 1 MB blocksize limit may also limit Bitcoin's future liquidity and adoption. 1I've plotted the number of transactions excluding popular addresses to remove the on-chain
mircea_popescu: gambling bubble of 2012/2013. This has only a minor effect on the 2014/2015 portion of the data."
mircea_popescu: so... a) correlation = causation ; b)i've doctored the data so correlation = the causation i wish to see.
mircea_popescu: this is like... the "global warming" consensus all over again.
mircea_popescu: "here's how we extrapolate data in the past to create a dataset which we arbitrarily call historical, on which we extrapolate a future. and here's how we've fixed it all to look a certain way. no matter that anything put through this mixer would look like a golf club, including most random distributions"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Up!
mircea_popescu: really, usg : hire smarter people. i know that obama was wildly successful by promising a bunch of losers unprecedented financial incentives to voice for him, and i know that for that reason it WORKS for him to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit, like most recently claiming that inviting the president of israel "breaks protocol" because it could be seen as supporting a side in the coming elections, while his staff i
mircea_popescu: s actually in israel working for the other side in those same elections, not to mention the mess in the ukraine.
mircea_popescu: i know this stupid shit works for the low information voters that constitute the libertard america. figure it out : these people do not actually matter.
mircea_popescu: not in bitcoin, not in the world, not in any sense. they're here for feedstock and no more.
mircea_popescu: hire smarter people.
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mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: felipelalli go moderate your blog comments.
mircea_popescu: i gotta say ... that's some gnarly shit. is this how sql actually works ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: no! dear god no!
mircea_popescu: trinque % is wildcard right ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah for the like operator
mircea_popescu: there's like 100 of them in there, that should be pretty wild to run
trinque: the sad thing about sql is it tried to be an end user programming language
trinque: behind that mess is an utterly elegant data model
trinque: really relational algebra's the thing, not sql, and someone should redo the former sans the latter
trinque: the idea was accountants or somesuch would be able to write SQL
Naphex: mircea_popescu: whats dummer is that looks like a table for machine learning
Naphex: and its using sql for that
Naphex: big lol
Naphex: horrible stuff
mircea_popescu: pretty gnarly.
trinque: Naphex: neh your thing just needs to be smart enough to make its own tables, relational can do runtime structure creation just fine
trinque: the system catalog is there for a reason
davout: CASEs in SQL queries, my eyes burn
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you and your altcoin coverage!!
trinque: I had a mentor burn rdbms into my mind indelibly; it's as right and overlooked as lisp
BingoBoingo: cazalla: danielpbarron's altcoin coverage
cazalla: BingoBoingo, but you encouraged him! i'm not too fussed on altcoins but i would've made mention how foolish redditors were to believe a jew was going to give away 5 million
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes was about 160ish it bottomed out neh ? << which plebs actually caught that knife?
davout: trinque: a lot of rdbms will let you do relational algebra, it's just that people don't use it
BingoBoingo: lol cazalla
trinque: davout: well shit, a lot of derps try to turn it into a key value store
trinque: and all kinds of other foot-blown-off scenarios
davout: yup
trinque: incidentally postgresql spanks the ass off any other kv store on earth
trinque: with native json types
jurov: mircea_popescu: that was *enterprise* sql
davout: trinque: how do you even use that kind of stuff, does it give you tools to actually filter on the json object?
davout: iirc mssql also had the kind of native stuff for xml
jurov: davout yes it does
davout: may it burn in hell
trinque: yep
jurov: with indexes, everything
trinque: postgres ate yer mongo, postgres ate yer couch
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
trinque: postgres slapped your mother, postgres fucked your spouse
mats: mongo was never good
trinque: mats: reasoning of "json therefore..."
mats: says the db guy i work with, anyway.
trinque: any new database will incrementally do the things sql already did
trinque: or kick them to the app layer where those idiots will do even worse
trinque: constraints, indexes, transactions, etc etc
davout: sure, lets use uuids as primary keys
trinque: this idea for example that schema's too hard! the fuck?! like building the lack of schema into each query isn't infinitely worse?
trinque: and you can write dynamic code even that will build out schema for you because there's a system catalog to reference
trinque: ^ most underused feature of SQL there is
trinque: I once wrote a thing that'd dynamically generate schema for production rules of a given grammer given the relational representation of that grammar, and a dynamic to-string in the other direction
trinque: do that in your mongo
jurov: schema is subject to change irl and there be dragons. but i presume with btc it isn't a problem, no changes expected
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jurov: oracle nixed it
trinque: the company all but collapsed but we produced this:
assbot: aquameta/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( )
trinque: having that you can write queries which output things which can be inserted into the writable system catalog
jurov: okay let's not go overboard with this :)
davout: jurov: lol, too late
trinque: jurov: what, writing wads of plpgsql to do it is better?
trinque: being able to declaratively modify schema was incredible
trinque: too bad the owner of the biz thought money was filthy
jurov: 90% of migrations isn't about schema, but about data
trinque: I also jacked git into postgres and did an automatic migrations system
trinque: via a foreign data wrapper
trinque: given the right set of first principles in a system so many things become trivial
assbot: Reduction (The Java™ Tutorials > Collections > Aggregate Operations) ... ( )
Naphex: missed an l before
jurov: looks like sqlalchemy
trinque: yeh I don't tend to like these middle layers
davout: Naphex: looks like derpy ruby :D
trinque: ^ lol
trinque: I'm oop racist so don't mind me
Naphex: davout: hehe, a bit maybe. because of the method chaining
davout: Naphex: filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE) <<< this
davout: select(&:male?) yo
Naphex: the lambdas?
davout: yea
trinque: jeez is that java lambda syntax?
trinque: oh no, the one above
Naphex: aye
trinque: what's the second one?
trinque: ampersand colon fuck my life question mark
davout: each time i hear about java i can't help but picture these SomeObjectFactoryBuilder.getObjectFactory().getObject()
trinque: I don't see why we're still doing objects
trinque: shitty dispatch, shitty scoping tool, shitty ....
davout: trinque: that & is just a pointer to function
davout: the ? is here just to troll you, because question marks are allowed in function names
trinque: ah lol
trinque: hey that doesn't even make me mad
trinque: ! for side effects, ? for booleans, seems fine to me
davout: yup
Naphex: i'm actually liking the lambda syntax :D
Naphex: (Person p) -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25
trinque: (fn butts ...)
trinque: how dare these languages steal fire from the gods and claim it as their own
davout: p.male? && p.can_drink? && !p.wrinkly? <<< ruby is better
trinque: rubby aint no lisp
trinque: python's my default slumming language
trinque: long as you never write "class" you'll survive
davout: BingoBoingo: is this dog?
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Dachshund/Pit bull mix
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jurov: Person.query.filter(Person.gender== Person.Sex.MALE && p.age >= 18 && p.age <= 25)
jurov: ^ py/sqlalchemy
davout: BingoBoingo: hah yeah, i didn't notice at first but it does look like it
BingoBoingo: Availabru for adotion
davout: it's cute and scary at the same time
trinque: face of "this is what your human hubris has wrought"
davout: ok i'm off, laters!
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trinque: so eat the bastard
trinque: looks great
trinque: ...canadians, they're probably vegan
trinque: "the duo are now vegans" LOOOL
cazalla: he's fucking game laying next to it for a nap, pigs are known for rolling and crushing the piglets
BingoBoingo: Surprised it hasn't ate the dogs
felipelalli: Hi gang noise! :] (sorry if I can't express myself very well in English) First of all, I want to apologize for that "gavin day", really sorry about that.
felipelalli: Then, I can see you guys are talking something about altcoins (I couldn't follow everything), and by change I've been thinking all day about something related to write an article. Actually I've been thinking about it from a long time ago, and the subject is: << the importance (or not) of a strong "second" coin >> and I'd love to read the most I could about it (altcoins, sidechain, and related) and I'm sure you guys have have a plenty of
felipelalli: material. I know I can search on Google but I guess you guys already have selected that "cherry cake" about this theme. Trying to summarize: my point is to show the importance (or not) of a strong coin to be used together with bitcoin. My initial thesis is that in the future (almost) all wallets will work with two (or maybe 3) totally different coins. The second coin would be so important as silver was in the past when the government tried
felipelalli: to "confiscated" the gold (I heard about that but I have to study more deeply). I came to this conclusion because I know bitcoin can't be available 24/7 forever. It will eventually fail in some situation (for example during a bad made hard fork - either because Gavin's gang spoiled or not) and at that time everybody should already is using some strong second coin to be used as backup during a temporary "bitcoin blackout". I think this coin
felipelalli: would work similar as silver works to the economy (silver have ~ 777B market cap in a quick search I just made, not too much compared with gold but it is enough). Even if this coin have only 5 or 6% of total bitcoin value, it could be useful to "don't stop the world" when bitcoin is under attack or maintenance. --- If I am wrong about that, I could write about what this is a bad idea and altcoins are bad at all.
felipelalli: Thank you!
trinque: jesus christ dude, use a pastebin
felipelalli: ahhaah sorry
felipelalli: I'd write few, but... you know. I just wrote, wrote...
thestringpuller: so harsh trinque
thestringpuller: as long as his count doesn't go above mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: Hi gang noise! :] << best opening line. ever.
trinque: thestringpuller: shit to substance ratio applies
thestringpuller: A pete_dushenski!
thestringpuller: now we can talk cars
pete_dushenski: lol hey man
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: welcome back
jurov: felipelalli: if you dream of altcoins, you might make elevator pitch about monero
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: thank you!
cazalla: felipelalli, you need more logs before this idea
jurov: ^ that too
felipelalli: cazalla: that's the idea.
felipelalli: cazalla: sorry, logs in which sense?
ben_vulpes: felipelalli:
ben_vulpes: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: and do you guys can point an specific relevant conversation about that? a day? month? Or just dig, dig, dig? :)
ben_vulpes: oh jeez well start with search.bitcoin.assets
ben_vulpes: !s altcoin
assbot: 1215 results for 'altcoin' :
ben_vulpes: !s moner
assbot: 0 results for 'moner' :
ben_vulpes: !s monero
assbot: 93 results for 'monero' :
ben_vulpes: !s litecoin
assbot: 566 results for 'litecoin' :
ben_vulpes: !s potcoin
assbot: 0 results for 'potcoin' :
ben_vulpes: lolrly?
ben_vulpes: !s darkcoin
assbot: 61 results for 'darkcoin' :
ben_vulpes: do you get it?
felipelalli: yes, perfect!
ben_vulpes: well i'm off to hobnob with the lawyers i'll catch y'all on the flipside
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, last sentence of that article: s/it's/its/
felipelalli: this search engine seems pretty smart.
felipelalli: thank you.
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: tell that to asciilifeform :D
kakobrekla: and dont forget to run.
felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: done
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i never wanna see a regex search and replace again
ben_vulpes: mjokes my clock's an hour fast
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
felipelalli: *perfect* thanks mike_c !!
jurov: felipelalli there's much more good stuff on trilema
felipelalli: jurov: I'll search. Thank you.
ben_vulpes: isis taking off after the Kingdom?
mod6: felipelalli: read all of 2012, 2013, 2014 & 2015
mod6: there are some good ones in 2011 too
felipelalli: mod6: thanks, a lot to study!
felipelalli: year 1933 - seizure of gold, seizure of silver one year later. Just insane.
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assbot: How to become a good poker player, translated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us
mike_c: conference this year should definitely include a poker game
asciilifeform: felipelalli: i didn't write it. and it's a piece of shit.
jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where?
pete_dushenski: mike_c even though i won't be there, that's a sublime idea
pete_dushenski: jurov what corporations are these?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: why won't be there ?
felipelalli: asciilifeform: ahahahah. fair. are you writing a better one?
jurov: it says "Filed" but where?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform a good friend's wedding.
pete_dushenski: i'd be remiss if i missed it
asciilifeform: felipelalli: it has a brain-damaged option turned on, that replaces words with supposedly similar ones
asciilifeform: felipelalli: could be turned off, would take five seconds. but it isn't my search engine
felipelalli: asciilifeform: isn't that part of assbot wrote by you?
pete_dushenski: jurov hmm. i don't believe that there's a requirement to publish annual reports for private corporations.
pete_dushenski: in canada
jurov: kk
pete_dushenski: that's all for me for today. laters!
jurov: hm. interesting, while even my puny llc has to have balance sheet public
mike_c: or anywhere else afaik.
mike_c: that's one of the perks of "private"
jurov: there's no such thing as private corp. here. anything except for physical person gets their filings published
mike_c: wow. balance sheet says who? audited?
jurov: not necessarily audited. it's just mandatory part of yearly tax report
mike_c: interesting
jurov: and why i'm asking in first place. noo our friend jorash again
jurov: i'll say more later
jurov: of simulated quantum computing fame
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asciilifeform: ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit
asciilifeform: (pgs. 4, 5)
asciilifeform: on top of jail term
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00041692 = 13.133 BTC [-]
trinque: asciilifeform: "mental health treatment" << we will drug the fuck out of you until you forget your name
asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks: gigantic fines like these are imposed in case the condemned owned any real estate
asciilifeform: which is then auctioned off
decimation: asciilifeform: lol @ probation restrictions
asciilifeform: decimation: apparently, typical
decimation: yes, given that they are a 'program'
asciilifeform: it's rather puzzling why they haven't reached the point where the condemned is required to wear a wireless microphone, camera, and shock collar
decimation: why don't these kind of people with a brain just leave the country?
trinque: decimation: working on it!!
asciilifeform: hard enough -without- the collar
decimation: I guess usg is very good at the good cop/bad cop routine in its derpy way
trinque: turns out you have to pay them for the right to cross the imaginary line an odd number of times
decimation: the real problem with us 'gulag' system isn't really the jail term, etc
asciilifeform: trinque: that's more of an issue if you're actually worth money
decimation: it's the fact that you will never be employed by a non-sleazy person again
trinque: asciilifeform: I imagine so
asciilifeform: usa is a tar pit the likes of which cannot be imagined by folks unfamiliar with the subject. those without money - cannot afford to make even basic preparations to flee; those with some - e.g., with a profession - know full well that they are not needed or wanted outside of the usg sphere of influence; those with serious money - understand (or sometimes don't) that their 'wealth' is really a creature of usg, and really lives i
asciilifeform: n the treasury all along
trinque: decimation: my biz employs a friend who was thoroughly stomped by the... incidentally texan justice system for sending a prank email
trinque: in high school
trinque: they pounded him under some kind of computer terrorism thing, and he could barely find work
trinque: sharp dude, works his ass off
decimation: yeah I feel sorry for folks caught in such a chumpatron
decimation: he would be better off going to mexico probably
asciilifeform: if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks.
asciilifeform: far and wide.
mike_c: asciilifeform: what's the target memory usage for this thing?
assbot: Tor and Encryption Have Created a ‘Zone of Lawlessness,’ Justice Department Says | Motherboard ... ( )
asciilifeform: mike_c: <128M
decimation: "Caldwell was being interviewed as a part of the annual State of the Net Conference in Washington, DC. One minute, she was vilifying encryption; the next, she was sending a message to the country’s citizens and companies that they need to be “more conscious of cybersecurity.” “They need to be assuming they are vulnerable, assuming their data can be taken,” she said"
mike_c: ok. mine takes ~220 right out of the gate, i assume there are some dials that can lower that?
trinque: how do they expect to beat the curiosity out of people for generations and expect that anyone useful will be produced?
asciilifeform: mike_c: what you're seeing is largely os disk cache.
cazalla: asciilifeform, why recruit these folk? fwiw, i never had a single one door knock me and offer a job lol
assbot: i'm an OG troll.. this was from 15 years ago today.. i'll still be at it in another 15 years
mike_c: as update, my 0 orphan test didn't go anywhere (stopped cold at block 500). So I'm trying now with a 50 block orphan cache. I think the right number is proportional to the # of connections you have.
mike_c: anyhoo, we'll see how this one runs.
asciilifeform: cazalla: what's that
cazalla: <asciilifeform> if i were a kgb recruiter, i would be searching for these folks. <<< re: that or maybe i just misread chat
asciilifeform: cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ?
cazalla: killing people or just making threats? :P
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cazalla: what's the perfect job for intelligent, resourceful folks shut out of the normal economy by demented regime ? << Very interested in answer to this question.
asciilifeform: the fascination with 'death threats' the nato world has is very peculiar
trinque: asciilifeform: this was how my friend's email was construed
asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ?
trinque: can't recall the text of it but really... "school's out forever" level stuff, nothing terrible
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it is related to the 'confession culture' of the us legal system
trinque: grow up cowards
asciilifeform: it's related to the 'cardinal richelieu' culture of having the proverbial six words written by every honest man to hang him by
asciilifeform: some fool with a short temper, fond of 'death threating' - will be condemned for that
asciilifeform: dope aficionado - for dope
asciilifeform: popular with the gurlz? (assange!) - 'rape'
trinque: make any money? irs
asciilifeform: can fill in this chart
asciilifeform: not hard.
cazalla: actually, australian magistrate's just tell you to go away and stop wasting his time with death threat charges
decimation: cazalla: do they jail the drunken aboriginals much there?
cazalla: decimation, nope, they run em over
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BingoBoingo: Pretty sure Australia just helps the Abbos gas themselves
cazalla: BingoBoingo, that'd be the british, they'd bury the abo kids in the sand and kick their heads off
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though your government was still shipping them that recreational 87 octane
cazalla: cheap atm too, 99c a L for 91o, i'm sure the abos can afford top shelf 98o at these prices
asciilifeform: if anyone here is fond of www programming, can write one of those quizzes, a la 'which genocidal dictator are you?' --- 'what will you be in u.s. prison for, ten years hence ?'
BingoBoingo: Gas just went up 25 cents here today after going up 10 cents earlier this week.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a number of locales are in the process of raising fuel tax, yours may be one of them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not yet. Across the river there is talk of it, but not yet here.
asciilifeform: basic 'laffer curve' idea, it would seem
assbot: I don’t know what to do, you guys | Fredrik deBoer ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up goldview
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41250 @ 0.0004302 = 17.7458 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: If you ever have reason to soul slander gar again, here is a picture of his namesake meeting an end
kakobrekla: nice pic
danielpbarron: ;;later tell girevik you're rating in the wrong WoT!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041426 = 24.5242 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46458 @ 0.00042063 = 19.5416 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20051 @ 0.00042889 = 8.5997 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahhh lomito de cordero &trumpeter malbec
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mircea_popescu: felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D
mircea_popescu: shit mike_c beats me by like hours.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ^for the non-romanian-speaking poker players among us << sheeit check that out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00041314 = 11.0102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041213 = 5.3371 BTC [-] {3}
mats: brown-147.pdf << where is your republic now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37792 @ 0.00041129 = 15.5435 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's really all it seems like except for those who accept a side of pederastry as they plea
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Ryan X. Charles on Twitter: "I was just let go from reddit because cryptocurrency is not a part of reddit's near-term plans. This is unfortunate, but understandable." ... ( )
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "The get hit with just under a million dollars" s/The/Then/c
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: fxd, thx
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in American popular culture there is a carefully groomed myth through all kinds of fictitious media that in criminal proceedings a plea always results in some form of mercy from the courts when all it does is keep the cattle line moving through the feedlot.
danielpbarron: !rated metsuno
assbot: metsuno is not registered in WoT.
danielpbarron: !up metsuno
danielpbarron: hi metsuno
metsuno: Hi Daniel
metsuno: The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly.
metsuno: Why don't I see more pseudonymity here?
danielpbarron: what is that?
danielpbarron: anonymity is counter to the purposes of the WoT, although a user does not need to link their key to their slave name
metsuno: anonymity != pseudonymity
metsuno: I didn't read it that carefully
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: <metsuno> The constant openness of this channel, and everyone on it, freightens me slightly. << so it should.
mircea_popescu: we are the eaters of worlds.
mircea_popescu: jurov: any canadian around here pls - are corporations' annual reports public? and where? << if listed as a stock yes. if not, no.
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metsuno: What does it feel like to be the eaters of worlds?
BingoBoingo: It isn't so bad, but you need to keep antacid tablets on you. The last thing you want is world induced dyspepsia affecting your composure.
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