mircea_popescu: yes, that wasn't in discussion. but the current plan takes you to week 35, after which comes week 36 and a new plan ?
spyked: well, I made the last and only mod to it since http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08c-feedbot-iii.html yesterday; I am going to add it to the queue as it comes, right now I'm sticking to the current plan.
spyked: mircea_popescu, why should the output of weekly work be necessarily genesis? for now, it's a review of coad; the review will be followed by a genesis, as stated.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:48:34 trinque: the thing's literally built atop tcp which supposedly has "connections" and it wants this ping/pong mechanism atop. ask me how many more hours of my life I wish to dedicate to this duck cunt that just wants a bit more.
mircea_popescu: spyked, you know, it occurs to me your workplan is fundamentally weak in that it includes no "will genesis material / publish patches". am i guessing right in that the next edition, seeing how week 35 is just about the corner, will include prior plan performance review and that ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 << this is definitely a good q. /me goes to see on thetarpit.org, when's publishing scheduled.
mircea_popescu: so long as we don't exceed it by mass, it'll be the correct approach.
mircea_popescu: it's this device that transforms inca (circular motion) into republic (linear motion) by the principle of only permitting rotary motion in one direction, thereby using the inca mass against itself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:38:59 trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 20:51:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, lobbes , et al : prolly could easily purge ~100% of spam, simply by detecting these. lemme know if you want.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930218 << nah. notice how these didn't exist on trilema except when specifically quoted. i let it go in eulora intentionally.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-09-22.log.html << maybe not, his logger shows most of them.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930209 << it's likely this is because they got re-encoded on his end ; it's also the case nobody gives a shit.
asciilifeform: ( if anyone wants to put async-sends in mine, the natural place to do so is imho where recv() times out, pop (nonblockingly) string from a queue and speak() . )
asciilifeform: decided in the end that it is easier to pour a cup of tea an' write one from 0, than to wade through the rubbishes
asciilifeform: ( when set out to write it, asciilifeform looked at coupla dozen published heathen bots, but threw'em all out, the smallest were still 1000+ ln for no detectable reason )
asciilifeform: lobbes: aha. i made no attempt to clean out the spamola, it will remain unless mircea_popescu asks ' drop xyz where... ' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 20:51:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, lobbes , et al : prolly could easily purge ~100% of spam, simply by detecting these. lemme know if you want.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930218 << 'tis mircea_popescu's chan, so his call. Though I imagine there is reason to keep them (e.g. maybe one day in the future someone wants to make a post re: "hey remember how IRC sucked?"). Point being: it was logged, so it is in the logs.
asciilifeform: trinque: re 'irc, wish to see end' -- i also balked, but turns out even this chore had some interesting wtf-discoveries lying in wait, e.g. the apparently massive nonflatness of net lag topology
asciilifeform: trinque: from the (very fragmentary) clues , seems to me that fella was demoralized somehow, for long time ( and possibly into bottle, tho tbf nothing specifically pointed to bottle )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:51:18 trinque: bringing things in closer, apparently phf's in the hospital or something, and is thus persona non grata?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930234 << near as i can tell , mp drilled him a new arse and consigned him to штрафбат for cowering in a cave for yr+ , rather than for sitting in hospital. ( see also mp's 'nickel' article )
asciilifeform: trinque: i cannot resist to wonder if the problem is in the hoster -- iirc deedbot used to stand up for weeks at a time , in earlier days
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:38:59 trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 << ftr i agree entirely with this , but -- did write bot, when mp blew into the bugle, sometimes gotta be done
asciilifeform: trinque: i may be able to help w / bot ( would like a working cl bot at any rate ). how current is the published src ( that i used in pehbot ) ?
trinque: bringing things in closer, apparently phf's in the hospital or something, and is thus persona non grata?
trinque: fuck me, drop the pretense and get on facebook messenger or w/e the kids use and be done with it
trinque: the thing's literally built atop tcp which supposedly has "connections" and it wants this ping/pong mechanism atop. ask me how many more hours of my life I wish to dedicate to this duck cunt that just wants a bit more.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 20:38:48 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG lobbes et al : the #e archive created earlier by lobbes , is now imported into http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora . as usual plox to report any oddities .
trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
asciilifeform doesn't give a damn in either direction, the archive doesn't weigh even within order of magnitude enuff to impact overall speed of indexing in any detectable way
asciilifeform: thinkin' about it moar -- mircea_popescu et al, if you wanna nix the spamola, simplest way is to import the db and sort the users, there's i think 100 or so spamola nicks , could simply drop'em if want.
asciilifeform: aaand the db dump has been triggered manually ( it takes approx 10sec ) , in case anyone wants to get his hands on the updated db Right Nao .
asciilifeform: archives remaining to import : #a ( if ben_vulpes turns up, i'd like to use his mimisbrunnr log to close the gaps; otherwise will use own znc ) ; #p ( again ditto )
asciilifeform: ( the washitistan ??!?? + the randomly quoted lines from unknown heathen chans, + possibly other shannonized crapola )
asciilifeform: going by informal walk via 'random' button -- that spamola is a substantial % of the archive, by mass
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, lobbes , et al : prolly could easily purge ~100% of spam, simply by detecting these. lemme know if you want.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:23:52 asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp)
asciilifeform suspects that they were orig. encoded in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928981 and thereby didn't even get into lobbes's db
asciilifeform: these ^ however are empty in lobbes's orig. archive snapshot.
asciilifeform: ty for the converter fixes and archive, lobbes .
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG lobbes et al : the #e archive created earlier by lobbes , is now imported into http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora . as usual plox to report any oddities .
asciilifeform contemplates what a bvt-style dissection of the current 'urandom' might reveal.
mircea_popescu: though this comes at cost of complexity. imo only correct approach is to have this set ~at kernel compile~, and there it stays. if you declare I 16kb and O 2mb, then therefore your stretch factor is 256
asciilifeform: it seems like the obv. Right Thing. i.e. let tetris read from urandom, rsatron -- from random, etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, exactly what stretch factor to use is a bit of an open question. may be worth it to permit the thing to self-adjust, based on O read volume.
mircea_popescu: if indeed a stretch of say 8:1 is preferred, HF takes 1 byte makes 8, then the HG will work on 8byte buffers, take 8 bytes make 8 byres.
asciilifeform: ftr this is how i formerly thought the existing linux worked.
mircea_popescu: now, the magic numbers are only here by need of example.
asciilifeform: then makes sense. i had missed 'stretched by...' when 1st reading.
asciilifeform: ok so the classical pair of 'random vs urandom' devs ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they are allowed to read I. that blocks.
mircea_popescu: that's why the two-hash system : you either have a byte of FG, to put into O, or you don't.
asciilifeform: ok then makes sense.
mircea_popescu: in exchange, they get non blocking "entropy" reads.
mircea_popescu: if that one byte is not yet available, from I, then the HG (good hash) will take half the O that was already read, and replenish it
asciilifeform: ah so users who read moar than the available ration, get prngism?!
mircea_popescu: at this point, the HF (fast hash) will take one byte out of the next position of the R head, and produce MANY (ie, 1mb) worth of O filler from it.
mircea_popescu: then in the first ms, the R head of O will have moved halway towards the W head of it.
mircea_popescu: now, the O buffer is, say, 2mb. if someone decides to read 1GB/s out of it,
mircea_popescu: but let's try it again. so, the I buffer is 16 kb, the O buffer is 2 MB. if the FG spits out 8kb/s or so, then the I buffer spits about 8kb/s or so into O, after the first two seconds,
mircea_popescu: you, stanislav, asked "where is the shop". i told you "go this and therefore" and you came back with "but where is the shop". at this point, this question can not be answered, BECAUSE YOU, STANISLAV, DO NOT READ.
mircea_popescu: this cycle can continue until 1GB is pissed out. if any FG bytes make it in during the interval, they are the source for the writing, stretched by HF. if not, whatever, HG applies on already read bytes
asciilifeform: same 'thermodynamic' problem , no matter how the output of FG is massaged, tho. if proggies ask for moar FG bits than FG has actually produced, they gotta block. ( linus fraudulently gave folx shitropy instead of entropy, so 'not block', but imho that's not even worth to discuss )
mircea_popescu: user asks for say 1gb, O feeds 1mb, at which point reading head is more than halfway writing head, so HF gets called, and fills the half that was just read
asciilifeform: then i'm defo thick. let's work example ? machine booted up 5min ago. ergo primary FG buffer contains ~2MB. now i'ma a user, and i ask for dd if=/dev/random of=foo bs=1M count=3 , i.e. 3MB. nao what ?
asciilifeform: or is the idea that there's a per-user buffer which actually contains his ration, and reads block on ~that~ ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, neh, hence the many.
asciilifeform: you still gotta rate-limit the users' reads tho, or 1 could empty whole thing in burst, starving the rest, neh
mircea_popescu: such that it can't either deplete the machine entropy by reading mb/s nor can it figure out the internals by reading straight fg bytes
mircea_popescu: this way - O is "always full" from the pov of userland ; I is protected from userland reading O.
mircea_popescu: the operation then consists of : 1. FG -> I.W 2. if I.W = I.R, I.R -> O.W, such that if O.R >= O.W/2, next O.W goes through HF filling many offset bytes ; if O.R <= O.W/2, next OW goes through HG, filling one offset byte.
mircea_popescu: ring buffers : Inner (small, 16kb to cpu-cache-size) ; Outer (large, 1 MB to swap partition size). each buffer has a writing head moving around it and a reading head moving around it, their position is W and R at any time.
mircea_popescu: no, it's not the same length, for one thing. 2nd buffer should be mb or larger ; and it gives the effect that there's an always-full entropy buffer
asciilifeform: the 1st half of this , i get, is same as what i sketched. but for what is the outer buf ? seems like a single ring of same length as the 2, gives same effect ?
mircea_popescu: this outer ring should use two cprngs to stretch the flow-in, one fast and one good.
mircea_popescu: imo correct design is 16kb to cpu-cache-sized inner ring buffer, wherein fg material is simply written into a loop, plain ; and from where high quality entropy is read blockingly. whenever the writing head threatens to overwrite the reading head, the overwritten bits are instead fed into outer ring
asciilifeform: ( what means here 'attrition' ? and for what is the 2nd buffer ? )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 00:18:54 mircea_popescu: could you simply throw out the whole damn thing and replace with from-scratch random.c / h ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930033 << naively seems to asciilifeform that whole thing oughta be replaced with a single ring buffer, where 1) root can write 2) users can read (w/ settable max byte/sec quota/ea. perhaps) 3) erry read consumes a segment of the buffer, i.e. no 2 users get same chunk of FG tape 4) if buffer empties, machine goes into single-user mode and rings alarm .
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930032 << to return to this : when asciilifeform laid out the (~8 y.o.!) kernel , to bake the 'demo' image for 'M' , found that ~whole thing~ is written in this style. ( last dealt with kernel internals at length in '06-07, when wasn't ~quite~ this nauseating . or perhaps my stomach were stronger..? )
asciilifeform: ( for the curious : 'erlang' had 0 'shared memory' b/w threads. all inter-thread motion was in the form of messages (received in 'atomic' queues internally). these could consist of whatever -- symbols (a la lisp) , for simple 'a/b/c' cases ; strings of bits; etc. a message could be eaten, or forwarded to yet another thread, or even sent back to the sender. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i keep coming back in my notes to the swedes, simply b/c in their notation, a 'bulletproof' net of mutually-synchronized bots is suddenly ~trivial.
asciilifeform: if the 'silent wedge' effect actually exists (rather than , say, an artifact of trinque's async mechanisms) i expect it will eventually be found to wedge
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 07:50:22 spyked: to detail: trinque's bot has a thread that pings the irc server and does lag tracking (the lag then is: pong_response_timestamp - ping_sent_timestamp); if it detects that the lag is high, then it tries to reconnect. so when feedbot spends a lot of time in the notification loop, it doesn't receive the pong and gets disconnected.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930066 << ftr i've yet to observe this 'silent wedge' effect in my bot (i.e. where the tcp pipe is 'alive' but not doing anyffin useful). tbf it is, what, only 3rd week of this bot.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 10:43:52 asciilifeform: both, however, occasionally forced to make 'unprincipled exception', cuz the set of what can be done by deskilled monkey with 'cluck' tool is never 100% .
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- ericsson at one pt sacked him and ordered their pbx rewritten in cpp. and nearly tanked, had to beg him to come back.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:50:38 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
asciilifeform: author (one armstrong, recently dead) sewed it by taking various fp langs of the time, and mercilessly cutting cpu-expensive features (e.g. the infamous np-complete reductor of prolog, the 'lazy' of haskell, etc)
asciilifeform: 'erlang' was ultra-fascist 'functional' , i.e. even to make variable in the usual sense is difficult
mircea_popescu: logically, it'd be exactly the sort of spitshine fit for its shoes.
asciilifeform: ( 'erlang' has a pretty martian syntax that most folx who didn't program in 'ml' or similar , dun have the digestive enzymes for )
mircea_popescu: this is the first time i hear of some actually useful lisp improvement
asciilifeform: imho would be 9000x better to simply steal the technique and port to e.g. cmucl .
asciilifeform actually has working copy of that compiler, 'erlang' , from 2000s (i.e. before the webtards got to 'improving' it) if anyone at some pt wants to experiment with this particular sunken uboat
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 07:54:59 mircea_popescu: can't, in general speaking, when plumbing the synch-asynch divide (such as for instance tryuibng to resolve through design the impedance mismatch between non-threqaded process and synchonous messaging) commit to any activity of an open-ended length. main loop gotta know at least approximately how long each call will take, or else it can't make them
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930071 << the swedes had a model of programming which asciilifeform always wanted to steal, which was especially good fit for cases like this -- '9000' ultralight threads with ~0 spawn/die penalty, if you wanted to wait for an event, could spawn thread that does nuffin but ( and in turn if times out sends correct signal to
mircea_popescu: the 18. a class you quited yes
asciilifeform in gui browser with cleared cache -- consistently gets the expected 1.3s for that page here.
spyked: the downside is that now messages are going to arrive somewhat slower -- ISONs aren't sent too often, so as to not abuse that command; but probably not that much of a problem either way. if a user was offline for a while, then he can wait the extra minutes to receive the messages.
spyked: mircea_popescu, for PM notifications, the sender is called only when the target nick is online; to find out whether a nick is connected, it sends an ISON and waits for a reply; and on the reply handler, it (until now) tried to process the entire message queue for that nick, which... yeah, that's a really bad idea.
mircea_popescu: can't, in general speaking, when plumbing the synch-asynch divide (such as for instance tryuibng to resolve through design the impedance mismatch between non-threqaded process and synchonous messaging) commit to any activity of an open-ended length. main loop gotta know at least approximately how long each call will take, or else it can't make them
spyked: the fix I'm currently applying is to have feedbot send notifications in short bursts so that it doesn't take over the main program loop
spyked: to detail: trinque's bot has a thread that pings the irc server and does lag tracking (the lag then is: pong_response_timestamp - ping_sent_timestamp); if it detects that the lag is high, then it tries to reconnect. so when feedbot spends a lot of time in the notification loop, it doesn't receive the pong and gets disconnected.
spyked: mircea_popescu, meanwhile I found it wasn't the issue I initially thought! I'ma bring the bot back online shortly
snsabot: Logged on 2018-10-12 12:56:05 mircea_popescu: in the 1980s engineers / cstronicists' defense, it was not yet understood how important entropy is to individuality and human existence.
spyked: grrrr, this is annoying. ftr, I set the delay knob for feedbot msg delivery to 2 seconds and it still gets disconnected for some reason. I suspect it's something other than fleanode simply disconnecting, so I will ask users who are waiting on pending PMs from feedbot to bear with me for a while.
asciilifeform: 1tb ssd btw ~100bux nao. keep pile of spares, and dun hesitate to rotate prophylactically, they're a consumable.
asciilifeform: 'gain speed' applied strictly to mech hdd, they could be spun out of phase, i.e. cut seek time
asciilifeform: algo -- simple, you pull the 1 that a) has nonzero write failure counter, or if none such, b) the one with highest blocks-written count .
asciilifeform: 4 is the min. that makes any sense
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 00:13:36 mircea_popescu: raid was immensely useful for the older drives. with ssds its' not clear you gain so much in either speed or reliability
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nao you know why i skipped the ' feed linux random ' stack entirely in '16. ( admittedly didn't get even half as far as bvt before barfed )
mircea_popescu: considering the keys we use are 4kb, it seems reasonable we should keep entropy pools of no less than 16kb ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fucking notion of a byte-counted entropy pool is fucking ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: in any case it is obvious that using it as intended (ie, pretending fg is what the linuxtards call a "hardware random generator") is ~wasting it. i dun wanna initialize the middle 32 bytes out of anything.
mircea_popescu: could you simply throw out the whole damn thing and replace with from-scratch random.c / h ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, there's not much point to two disk raid arrays ; nor to software raid.
mircea_popescu: raid was immensely useful for the older drives. with ssds its' not clear you gain so much in either speed or reliability
lobbes: in other news, I'm in the process of provisioning a dedi server (for primarily a second trb node). I grabbed one with 2 512GB SSD drives. Now my question is: should I bother with RAID 1? Or will this just be stupid because they will wear at the same rate?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 22:47:29 lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929954 << there's certainly substance to that "also failing her" portion.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact the definition, jungle as above, camp as in, <1minute.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 22:39:42 snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:54:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929950 < it helps immensely if the woman can actually respect you, though.
mircea_popescu: i'm starting to suspect the actual market for gangbang porn is really ~diane keaton
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:07:20 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, the trad ru 'ethno-slur' for poles, 'пшеки', is quite a bit like 'пшик', what nominally spray can says.
asciilifeform: holyFUCK the sheer fecal mass.
BingoBoingo: In local weather, Mujica's wife will be acting president tomorrow for some hours while doctors poke current president's lungs with scopes and radiation
snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-30 13:34:00 phf: true, but alf also "won't touch the web"
snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-28 16:44:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592214 << entirely possible folx weren't aware of phuctor, it's not exactly advertised much. (then again, cue mp's "they don't have a right/privilege not to be aware"..)
BingoBoingo: And as far as I can tell, USG to USG drones is the only actual satellite internet
asciilifeform: betcha there's some convoluted reason asciilifeform would never in 9000 yrs guess at, for fiber-to-africa
BingoBoingo: Well, they need to be oppressed through something
asciilifeform: why not also run fiber to the penguins in south p. i suspect they can just as easily pay.
asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, but what the fuck do angola and cameroon need net connections for ?!
asciilifeform: spain, portugal tho. rather than riga.
BingoBoingo: There's also the older "Atlantis 2" which goes Fortaleza Brasil, Senega, the splits to land in Spain and Portugal
asciilifeform: ( i.e. rather than silently forwarding packets over atm or whatever antediluvian horror )
asciilifeform: last i knew there were 0 direct lines from south a. to europistan, at all.
asciilifeform: i suppose theoretically -- could. but wai.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-21 00:00:24 asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )
diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-21#1929962 - yesterday I ran a traceroute on both (nosuchlabs and btcbase) and it was going via stockholm+london for btcbase but not for nosuchlabs (iirc it was riga and then s.america)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 18:31:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.
asciilifeform: imho would be interesting to formally map out these 'mystery' delays.
asciilifeform: in olden times, when they at least had shame, would tape deck in the very undersea capsule and retrieve with sub. today -- this , instead.
asciilifeform: ( can't even make their shitware snoop in ~realtime, moreover )
asciilifeform: ( often enuff there's a concealed -- if not always well-concealed -- roundtrip to london / washington, sitting in 'between austria and switzerland' etc )
asciilifeform: lobbes: presently seems to me that 'distance' such as exists on net, corresponds moar closely to '# of hops through nsa cisco' rather than naive 'km of fiber'.
lobbes: still, roughly the same difference in distance give or take
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 20:42:10 asciilifeform: interesting that there's an entire 150ms b/w austria & frankfurt
lobbes: and keeping off of the ol' ass, of course
lobbes: this makes sense. But in order for this to happen I know I'll first need to be able to reliably identify things that are/are not stupid. Which, I'm getting better at each day, so there is that. Time is the key I guess
trinque: I think more like "continuous discourse about things which are not stupid" and the rest flows from that
lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-16 22:54:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
lobbes: we were together 8 years, mind. Living together for 7 of those 8, which made me ~23 when we got together. I was even dumber then, and the bad habits were engrained long before I got a clue
trinque: now I'll turn it your direction. ever told her no before the exchange in your post?
trinque: lobbes: you know, mircea_popescu asked me this when I told a similar tale of misbehaving woman wrecking the home.
asciilifeform: it's entirely conceivable tho that the wedge is on acct of a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-20#1000423 !
asciilifeform: trinque: it is interesting that the ssl thing gets wedged. if i had free hand might even try to find where -- could be a 0day in there, potentially
asciilifeform: lobbes: but even there, i sat an' read e.g. 'programming of hell', got goin' with ada
trinque: asciilifeform: will find time this weekend to do the minimal duct tape to keep the thing connected, probably amounts to simply lopping off ssl
asciilifeform: lobbes: in those days could think, more or less, only on the train.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:17:29 asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929908 << yes, specifically I'm reminded of your tales you told of one salt mine (ascii_butugychag period?) where you could not *think*; this was how it was for me except when *not in the mines*. It is so nice to think again
snsabot: Logged on 2019-01-02 11:38:20 asciilifeform: if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )
asciilifeform: trinque: in yours, tho, iirc there ~is~ such a knob (it waits for a fleanode-specific ack string when connects)
trinque: I had forgotten the email registration part actually, so I guess bot pwd mitm somewhat mitigated by that
asciilifeform: not yet stuck (or even bumped, other than by my own hand) .
asciilifeform: trinque: atm the bot on dulap is 'naked' <-> fleanode
trinque: sorry about the outage y'all; I'm going to do ^ next
asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...
asciilifeform can read written pl approx as readily as engl, but to hear'em ~speak~ is other story entirely
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, the trad ru 'ethno-slur' for poles, 'пшеки', is quite a bit like 'пшик', what nominally spray can says.
asciilifeform: 'they're pretty much the only linguistic group very much in danger of mistaking industrial sounds for speech. Careful if you, for instance, use a can of compressed air to clean an old motherboard -- it's entirely possible the resulting vijiieli, indistinct as they may sound to your ear, nevertheless insult the Polish passerby's long dead relatives in the sauciest of manners.' << asciilifeform falls down.
asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' )
mp_en_viaje: everyone takes too long to act ~retrispectively~. it's part of the same bonus package of fonts as "treason never prospers"
lobbes: that article, man. It is what set the gears in my head in motion. Read it on a plane flight some years ago and realized I was walking into a trap
mp_en_viaje: as per the http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ dichotomy, one can acquire the useless female either by hunting stupidly or by wife spawning shit.
asciilifeform: compl. w/ 'i want dog but woman won't let' and the like
lobbes: I'm just very thankful I never got married / had kids; the state being involved would have made this even harder to break free from
asciilifeform: lobbes: i got stuck in an airport 1ce with the thieves fella. he lived under the heel of wife, like saharov. entirely broken man.
mp_en_viaje: no, afaik tha tguy was in same boat as pete_d, where the girl's daddy's the victim and the dude's just... you know, like those little male spiders ? dependopotamus accessories.
mp_en_viaje: some http://trilema.com/2012/the-man-with-the-golden-arm/ -esque story, at any rate.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rright, but not only this, but packet switching is nuffin like straight wire , is monstrously slow vs theoretical
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-30 02:02:16 asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'
asciilifeform: lobbes: do you know the old j00 folk tale where http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-30#1920764 ?
lobbes: then I need to sell that damn house. never doing the 'mortgage' thing again. the logs were right (as always)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if 43 ms in diameter then 135 in circumference ; and moreover information doesn't quite flow at the speed of light in our machines.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, dude lobbes dodged a dependopotamus bullet ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: when you stand up bot, make sure to change prefix knob ( both for when you arrange with mp_en_viaje to voice it in #t, but especially in the other chans, where if you fughet to change knob, it will step on the feet of mine )
asciilifeform: i suspect presently that for nearly all installations, the 'limiting reactant' will be pipe bw, rather than cpu, ram, etc
lobbes: really simple to backup the database too when it is just a single 'file'. cron and scp ftw
lobbes: auctionbot (which sits on the logbot tree) however is postgres
lobbes: my archiver and the original lobbesbot still run on sqlite
asciilifeform: ( i.e. theoretically might even be faster if one were to sit it down in a sqlite rather than postgres. that is, if there were any actual need to make this thing faster, currently seems that there is not any such need )
lobbes: will do. yeah, I didn't get the bot portion running on my local test box, nor did I do port forwarding, but the reader.py and database portions were up and running pretty smoothly
asciilifeform: lobbes: it aint a very 'hungry' proggy -- e.g. the db presently weighs <70MB
asciilifeform: interesting that there's an entire 150ms b/w austria & frankfurt
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 18:31:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929816 << on heavy page test, I get the following: NC : 0m1.711s, Austria VPS : 0m0.379s, Piz Rkchp : 0m2.054s
asciilifeform: meanwhile : BingoBoingo rk3328 seems to be back in print ! 50bux for the 4 GB, for 2 GB -- 35.
bvt: hi, sorry for delay on the linux rng post, it is in fact ~ready, but i need one more day for proofreading
asciilifeform: the mirrors are identical to the orig ( in re pythonism, nginx, etc ) and in fact considerably slower boxen, and laden with shitlinux ('centos') iirc . geography is the killer, imho satisfactorily proven .
mp_en_viaje: there IS an absolute limit. but, perhaps.
asciilifeform: theeere we go.
mp_en_viaje is writing an article and then hopping on a plane, but in principle.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.
asciilifeform: atm it seems quite impossible even to say which ~generates~ the pgs faster -- the diff, if any, is entirely dwarfed by pipe effects
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 21:20:26 asciilifeform: ftr gets ~80kB/s avg. from dulap, there.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 08:48:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929711 << this is possible if the intercontinental interchange's fucked. which...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929795 << the measurements strongly suggest this.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 17:35:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hard to say for fact, but seems to add up to a picture where's there's a ~0.5s bottleneck b/w south amer. and errywhere else.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929711 << this is possible if the intercontinental interchange's fucked. which...
mp_en_viaje: on the first pass it appears as a complete disinterest in "feelings", but it fundamentally is a method for the valuation of human activity. and therefore complete ethics and a set of morals. co
mp_en_viaje: -science-on-my-penis-first/?b=Third&e=date.#select][the very substance of science], BECAUSE it is ~the scientific METHOD~.
mp_en_viaje: THE. METHOD. the one thing that unites "What do you mean how ?" and the reporting "who cares who it damages" and the engineering "who cares what business models/political arrangements this renders obsolete" is [http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write
mp_en_viaje: ~any woman'd rather read me write in defense of rape than watch charlie branson-sheen derp about like little bois. the reason is ~THE METHOD~, not the subject, not "oh mp is rich" -- seriously, wtf -- not anything else.
mp_en_viaje: "traditional" (no they aren't) heuristic valuations of activity imported from the practices and intellectual habits of the herd of idiots are NOT USEFUL. how "boring" or "interesting" or "sexy" or whatever things seem, truly the on;ly saviour is the method ; which is why trilema can be interesting whatever i discuss, be it defecation or obscure byzantine minutia, whereas the herd of idiots c
mp_en_viaje: meaning that all prediction as to the future is to be based on METHODOLOGICAL considerations. how well the method was applied, and how uniformly, over how homogenous a sample with how good expected coverage. that's all.
mp_en_viaje: but the important point is, METHODOLOGY. science, not as "the profession" nor as "the professional activity", but as the occupation, science as in, productive, not science as in, socially acceptable -- IS A BEHAVIOUR. that's all it is, applying a method systematically.
mp_en_viaje: (amusingly, there was an article i ran into that made the exact point, in a list of four. meanwhile (superficially) reviewed the complete list of trilema articles i looked at this month (on this mchine), >6k lines, did not find it anymore. fuck me. and then of course there's http://trilema.com/2019/pizd-atrage-da-curu-trage-ca-n-viata-tragic/ )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 07:47:16 mp_en_viaje: would like to take the time to point this out re ye olde discussion of "is something to learn / is nothing to learn", coming up oft re gosspid but generally always there. "to learn" is insanely vague an operator. just because you don't learn anything useful [about programming] while doing, say, python, it still dun mean you don't learn anything useful about your girflriend, or the tcp infrastructure, or router hardware, or the difference be
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929777 < this, obviously is the exact complement to the oft-repeated "now that i write article 2, i find article 1 useful ; there was no way to evaluate this utility at the time decision to write article 1 was to be made" re blogwriting.
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, what the heck are you doing, anyways ?