ascii_rear: and yes, eternal comp.lang.lisp holy war re: it constituting a heathen small language within cl
asciilifeform: and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will no doubt supply us with the mega-insight that if i have no money it is because i have no competence at anything and oughta be boiled for soap asap
asciilifeform: punkman: you can't compress random crud
asciilifeform: 'Although in theory Miller can claim priority, reality is more complex. As will be explained below, it is quite unlikely that either he or anyone else ever used his system for real messages; in fact, it is unclear if anyone other than he and his friends and family ever knew of its existence. That said, there are some possible links to Mauborgne. It thus remains unclear who should be credited with effectively inventing the one-
asciilifeform: now one could try to prove that extracting this information usefully is computationally intractable. but this is never been publicly done.
asciilifeform: (and, as per earlier thread, unemployment)
asciilifeform: in which case you get the ridiculous american number of 30. which assumes an ideal spherical horse of an empire where the chump actually keeps getting that 100k for 30 years, and it isn't eaten away at by spiraling costs of fuel, food, medical, etc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398011 << closer to 10. ~unless~ you use my magic formula and compute using ~the money you have left over to actually pay for the thing~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397985 << there is an eternal unmet demand of folks who will do $work for ~$free. hence indians imported, etc.
asciilifeform: (it doesn't go straight on the cpu, no, will crack the mb and drown in condensation. it goes in the tank through which you pump the oil.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397765 << if you crunch the simple arithmetic re: propagation delays, it reveals that one of two things: a) whole thing is a scam, not actually intended to happen in physical reality b) collectivized, 'kolhoz' of gaming processor will be installed on street corner router cabinets, one per 100 houses or so, this will go great with ownership of actual computer being Officially forb
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397698 << templeos comes with a 'talk to god' terminal.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, i will remind, factoring was never demonstrated to be np-complete)
asciilifeform: the gotcha is, there is no shortage of demonstrably np-complete problem classes; but converting one into a cryptosystem, esp. ~safely~ is nontrivial
asciilifeform: incidentally, another b00k worthy of inclusion in #b-a w4r3z dump
asciilifeform: re: the cipher thread, gotta love how nobody complained re: mircea_popescu asking folks to solve an unsolved mathematical problem, the answer to which eluded two great empires for half a century.
ascii_butugychag: 'Also, he awards bonus points for proofs of hardness. No one has managed to prove hardness for any existing block cipher. Block ciphers are simply ways to jumble the plaintext up in a reversible fashion. They are not based on difficult mathematical problems.
ascii_butugychag: also gotta love the 'free, open workstation' where the sole component supplier is ibm
ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”'
ascii_butugychag: ^ from my multi-year attempt to find out something definitive re: the strength of mceliece
ascii_butugychag: with more frequency then we might like. But this surely does not eradicate the importance of
ascii_butugychag: heroes hang when traitors triumph (tm) (r)
ascii_butugychag: pretty complete re: modern folk
asciilifeform: pitch that Crypto AG was a neutral company and its equipment was the best. They were Swiss, after all. [3] Crypto AG eventually paid one million dollars for Buehler's release in January 1993, then promptly fired him once they had reassured themselves that he hadn't revealed anything important under interrogation, and because Buehler had begun to ask some embarrassing questions.'
asciilifeform: and was so very confused, when u.s. federal judges would inevitably and inexplicably 'lose' his complaints
asciilifeform: filing complaints left and right
asciilifeform: Anonymous said... 'NSA began to remove public key crypto implementations from weapons in about 1991. Sandia cryptographer Gus Simmons suggested to NSA and Sandia that NSA replace the shift register-based Benincasa algorithm in the ctbt data authenticator with public key. I was ordered by my supervior, Dr John Holovka [chemist] to explain what Simmons was talking about. http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/mcconnell/pacer/Pa
asciilifeform: http://mybiasedcoin.blogspot.com/2007/08/how-mathematicians-view-computer.html?showComment=1189170960000#c5322431910783198900
asciilifeform: the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn.
asciilifeform: and, on the other side, the ludicrous, when seen from outside, deluge of pseudomathematical claptrap that now passes for 'computer science research'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396901 << the other thing is, simplicity is sorta like sanitation. picture trying to explain 'why i do not like to swim in liquid shit'
asciilifeform: (in fact, the roots of all of the state-of-the-art work ~pre-date~ cook's theorem and the notion of quantifiable algorithmic complexity !)
asciilifeform: we have proof that $problem falls into, e.g., np-complete complexity class. but what we ~don't~ have is,
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116434
ascii_butugychag: (simply keep both keys secret)
ascii_butugychag: the champs of recent history re: both-at-once was prolly israel. hence a dead gerald bull.
ascii_butugychag: pet sayeth, i simply haven't merited my bullet yet
ascii_butugychag: it has to compete for those with what remains of private industry
ascii_butugychag: e.g., 'compute bbp algo in silico'
ascii_butugychag: also i will add that preferring 'weird' operations, vs. simple arithmetic, costs us more than it costs the enemy.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, all block (and even stream) implementations in the battlefield use over-the-wire rekeying
ascii_butugychag: punkman: it is an example of such, yes
ascii_butugychag: ^ example.
asciilifeform: nobody has seriously improved on this barbarism, at least publicly.
asciilifeform: because it is a motherfucking REFERENCE implementation
ascii_butugychag: esp. once it is actually a debugger and not simply a lame proof of concept as now
ascii_butugychag: i mean hey, it's ~my~ history of bug-crapping that is being whitewashed over, so i shouldn't complain... but still
ascii_butugychag is still not sure why it was necessary to discard the history and compress the old patch + its fix into a new one
ascii_butugychag: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al can produce curated trees simply by signing.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: how about we have the simple and sane solution - a name can be used once.
ascii_butugychag: and produces CONSTANT timestamp.
ascii_butugychag: also using signature timestamps for anything is idiotic
ascii_butugychag: and i have no intention of asking people to use a patched pgptron simply so they can use v
ascii_butugychag: existing pgptrons do not, afaik, allow you to specify a custom timestamp
ascii_butugychag: https://www.osadl.org/Dumping-gcov-data-at-runtime-simple-ex.online-coverage-analysis.0.html
ascii_butugychag: chances are you simply aren't looking.
asciilifeform: 'hobo in the alley has same right to impregnate wife as master of the house' or how did mircea_popescu put it.
asciilifeform: it is idiocy, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/17Q4MX2hmktmpuUKHFuoRmS5MfB5XPbhod/dropzone-lib << lulzy derpatron from the spam in mircea_popescu's comment section
asciilifeform: found improvement of plouffe's algo.
asciilifeform: re: turing-complete cellular automaton proof
asciilifeform: cars all looking entirely alike are a better example
asciilifeform: computer-UNaided designs.
asciilifeform: age of cheap transistor had a faux-renaissance where folks used the cheap transistors for elaborate self-delusion - 'this is sooo complicated, nobody!1111 could crack'
asciilifeform: the simplest algo, for all patchons in patch, dive down recursively and find ancestor.
asciilifeform: implement it!
asciilifeform: i haven't even plugged the thing in yet, and already impressed.
asciilifeform: (the former being an exercise in self-delusion, the latter - adds complexity and potentially buggy or noisy circuitry)
asciilifeform: e.g., 1 and 2 imply that there are sufficient bits per entropy without having to resort to whitenings or distillation
asciilifeform: however, i do find it... interesting, that it is not ~entirely~ empty, but the intersection of it and implementations ~you can get~ .... IS.
asciilifeform: the field of crypto that has provable hardness foundation is depressingly empty
asciilifeform: computable?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394699 << funnily, maslennikov's b00k was largely about his futile attempts to interest kgb middle management in group-theoretical foundations for new block ciphers
ascii_butugychag: if i dump a credit card into my own 'paypal' input, they will dutifully tally it up and 'income'
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: the genesis is always implicit in the head
ascii_butugychag: v is simply a mathatron that deals in the basic operation h,s1,o,s2 where s1 and s2 are strings, h is an operation (usually a hash) for recognizing said strings via trapdoor, and o is a transform
ascii_butugychag: or you get improperly localized failure
ascii_butugychag: (also important to disable 'fuzziness' in the latter)
ascii_butugychag: an obsolete patch is simply one that doesn't keep getting built on.
ascii_butugychag: anyway the funniest thing is that nobody cancelled purchased commissions, and other simonies - they are simply brokered through the credential racketeers now
ascii_butugychag: i tend to associate this with old brit and ru empires, officers with purchased commissions, imbecilic commanders, 'blue blood.'
ascii_butugychag: nsa complex is not indian - yet
ascii_butugychag: (i must mention, for completeness, that derpwall could have an opposite purpose, of preventing inquiriy into the ~weakness~ of b-b-s when used as prng, as it is in many systems incl. iirc, certain versions of winblowz)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393994 << ahahahahaha l0l this would be true if computing were an actually adult field, like refrigeration
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/02/shaun-bridges-arrested-for-attempting-to-flee-united-states/#comment-44523 << lulzy
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually i would be only slightly surprised if prb could be persuaded to jmp into a block.
ascii_butugychag: ncluding one that Bridges created on October 28, 2015 after he had pleaded guilty in this case; a Samsung cell phone; and a thumb drive. Also located in those bags were documents relating to his wife’s, Ariana Esposito’s, attempts to obtain citizenship in another country. Government agents also found a MacBook with the serial number scratched off, an ipad tucked between a bedroom mattr
ascii_butugychag: and helps not at all in actual computation.
ascii_butugychag: and folks who cannot, or will not, attempt said understanding, will have to find themselves a priest, yes.
ascii_butugychag: hdbuck: idiocy, beneath contempt
ascii_butugychag: if it were given a place to pump in patches, we could finally give turdatron a proper burial
ascii_butugychag: introduces exactly the wrong incentives, and empowers the folks you least want in the driver's seat
ascii_butugychag: ^ there is more than one way of accomplishing this effect
ascii_butugychag: attempt at 'i/o-hard' workfunction
ascii_butugychag: what i don't get is what desirable thing the workfunction change accomplishes
ascii_butugychag: right now we have gangrene in one leg. what is an improvement about having ~two~ ?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392496 << the sane upgrade path is TO THERMONUKE GNUDIFF and have turing-complete operation set!
asciilifeform: nothing quite compares to the magical power of actually reading things...
ascii_rear: i can't use mp's filter algo
asciilifeform: also i laugh when folks take the spew of academitard 'compiler research' claptrap and try to actually use
asciilifeform: phf: annotate laboriously, by hand, and painfully aware of the impedance mismatches
asciilifeform: a cpp is that is interpreted, and where magic that normally happens during compilation can happen MORE THAN ONCE, and AT RUNTIME, is guaranteed semantic-distinct from ordinary cpp.
asciilifeform: phf: cpp does enough munging at compile time that this whole concept is disastrously meaningless
asciilifeform: it scales pretty well, if tmsr were an actual empire it could have a 100% mod6 and a 100% asciilifeform et al
asciilifeform: claims to 'compile to cpp' doesn't it ?
asciilifeform: there are good examples of this kind of thing, from the past, see 'chicken' and 'stalin'
asciilifeform: anyway if somebody insists on tamping versionstring and versionstring-fix into one path, i will read and sign it.
asciilifeform: whole point of v is to avoid having to pretend that symphony was farted out in one perfect go.
asciilifeform: 'So, are you whiter than him or darker than him ? If whiter, you go before him, if darker after him. Problem of "who goes first" solved, and inasmuch as it's an irrelevant problem anyway, it doesn't matter how it's solved just as long as it's solved. The Arabs implement this exact solution, which is why I never saw buluceala in their very popular mosques. The Romanians do not implement it, or anything else, and as such bulucea
asciilifeform: right now there are simply insufficient flies, and their proboscis - insufficiently sharp and long, to make this point properly felt.
asciilifeform: pile of jewls jewl-rippers tore from their mounts, as was their impulse.
asciilifeform: then i have nfi, i simply do not know enough about subj
asciilifeform: phf: reimplemented pgp verify ?
ascii_rear: and compiler.
ascii_rear: next thing i will do, supposing that nobody else takes it up, is to make the mempool shiva-walkable
ascii_rear: BingoBoingo: not entirely impossible
ascii_rear: (there are hard tests for compliance, can run these)
ascii_rear: there is much to be done there, incl. reimplementing the classical rpc hooks
ascii_rear: tinyscheme is the smallest (loc and complexity-wise) schematron that has these necessaries.
ascii_rear: the important message here is something else, the shiva console is not to be considered publicly exposable in any sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they aren't simply 'different sized holes', there is reed-solomon encoding
asciilifeform: as in, compiled.
asciilifeform: such as: microshit in charge of 'computer education'
asciilifeform: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3027924/it-industry/obama-wants-4b-for-more-computer-science-education.html << from the l0ltr0ns
asciilifeform: for completeness, arrows oughta be red, on black
asciilifeform: jurov: i want a non-nato computer.
asciilifeform: re: the hardware pr0n link earlier, it is a good example of what i call an ~iridium toilet~ - as DISTINCT from a golden toilet, it is a device that is build with 1) price is no object 2) NOT FOR showing off and playing idiot tlp rolex status games.
asciilifeform: afaik this is only at online retailers, physical shops simply charge 100-200 usd more
asciilifeform: cn is historically a champ at absorbing own spew
asciilifeform: 'plebe does not need to compile anything'
asciilifeform: but actually i think mircea_popescu is right, we will have a 'triumph of the cockroaches' situation
asciilifeform: re: arm, every few yrs i get an attack of the temptation to build a new workstation, and it never happens, and probably never will. would dearly love to buy something nato-free, wouldja tell me ~where~ ?
asciilifeform: not ONLY do they use the foreign devil's masks, complete with backdoor turds, but PAY.
asciilifeform: signed binary can be contemplated when there is simply no escape (e.g., firmware image, compiler bootstrap) but otherwise entirely braindamaged
ascii_butugychag: there is, however, the ample retardation of the 'any time' variant.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what i want is not a gutted corpse of gnudiff, but a turing-complete vtron
ascii_butugychag: buncha gmp calls, in c.
ascii_butugychag: adlai: to me it simply means 'i don't have to leave my editor and FUCK NO I AM NEVER pasting code into a motherfucking shell 10000000 time a day'
ascii_butugychag: which is imho an important historical document
ascii_butugychag: adlai: i implanted a scheme runtime in a trb.
ascii_butugychag: mod6: fortunately it is the world's simplest, possibly, usable language
ascii_butugychag: turing-complete vtron
ascii_butugychag: it simply gets orphaned.
ascii_butugychag: (and, as i explained very early on, cycled are an error, and anyone attempting to introduce a graph cycle deserves a good thrashing)
ascii_butugychag: you can specify a tag file it will fill from when tab(or your favourite other key)-completing.
ascii_butugychag: this was a common complaint about my rotor system also, recall
ascii_butugychag: now i am fighting a compulsion to stick that tape to the bottom of every single object on my desk
ascii_butugychag: and so makes it quite impossible to properly have tinyscheme-genesis FULLY MACHINE-READABLY flow into shiva genesis
asciilifeform: soon i will post some examples of hooks which actually take arguments
asciilifeform: so i sent it off with a few very basic examples.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388189 << i must say also that this is not why i wrote it, originally. this was an attempt at an online debugger, so i can interactively play with tx in mempool, issue db queries, etc.
ascii_butugychag: but that does mean that it is quite impossible for me to do what mod6 asked for.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387686 << the appearance of 'despondent turds' doesn't sink empires though, it is quite the reverse
asciilifeform: except that i get same comments on my computing bl0g
asciilifeform: i do wonder, do the 'basic income' folks simply not understand the hierarchical role of money? or think that it can be magicked away? or do not, but lie about it ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387575 << everybody burning with desire to be warehoused with the lumpens, raise yer handz!
ascii_butugychag: you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps
ascii_butugychag: my first attempt was a very dirty hack, i re-did it as a properly vtronic thing (to preserve pedigree linkage to classical tinyscheme)
asciilifeform: any more than stampeding bulls are partizans on a farm.
asciilifeform: afaik, tinyscheme is currently the smallest (in re: complexity) standards-compliant (mostly) schematron in the world
asciilifeform: (but unfortunately not usable for this experiment, lacks support for i/o 'ports' and, more importantly, arrays)
ascii_butugychag: argentina isn't a squalid pisshole complete with free-range islamic nutters
ascii_butugychag: (gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.)
ascii_butugychag: works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc.
ascii_butugychag: for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero
ascii_butugychag: there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank
ascii_butugychag: catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty.
ascii_butugychag: and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim
ascii_butugychag: compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot
ascii_butugychag: the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386367 << mpex submarine! six MIRV cones, any questions.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies
ascii_butugychag: this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat
ascii_butugychag: unless preemptively pushed out.
ascii_butugychag: rats can also outcompete man, as can roaches
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa
ascii_butugychag: (somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks)
ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: pretty much impossible
asciilifeform: echnology companies such as Google and Facebook getting involved the field of AI. "We have to get rid of the big companies and go back to giving support to individuals who have new ideas because attempting to commercialise existing things hasn't worked very well," he said.'
asciilifeform: 'But, in one of his last interviews, with MIT Technology Review last year, Prof Minsky said there had been "very little growth in artificial intelligence" in the past decade, adding current work had been "mostly attempting to improve systems that aren't very good and haven't improved much in two decades". By contrast, he said, "the 1950s and 1960s were wonderful - something new every week". And he hinted he was against large t
asciilifeform: ^ interestingly, these have tiny incandescent lamps in'em
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385711 << TomServo: how did you press? post your complete set of sha512s
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43123
asciilifeform: ah so computer
asciilifeform: 'This one, however, is different from the rest. The person throwing dirt over the coffin last week was not an outsider, as has most often been the case. It was not some mainstream economist who just doesnt get it. It was not a misinformed journalist fishing for clicks. It was Mike Hearn, a former Google developer, the guy who wrote the first java implementation of Bitcoin. Hes a regular presence at conferences and
asciilifeform: (and i find it very strange that an adult would play a solitaire, it seems like a serious symptom of 'has no theorems to prove')
asciilifeform: lack of any style at all is generally symptomatic of serious cranial cockroaches
asciilifeform: folks who produce 'gems' like this, are prime candidates for http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Iran-Finger-Amputation-ISNA-3.jpg
asciilifeform: when i explain this to folks, i like to use the example of liquid nitrogen sausage
asciilifeform: i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free
asciilifeform: (you can cross-compile trivially, and gcc gives 10x the compactness of vs crud. just treat the box as a kind of nintendo.)
asciilifeform: i would much rather trade the computer for a pencil.
asciilifeform: it is entirely impossible without installing something like vmware
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is a complete piece of shit
asciilifeform: study the linux loader to see what 'dynamic' means. static is simply... not doing this
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384237 << what is the nonobvious thing re: static compilation ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384035 << this is lulzy in re: how i recently had to set up a complete orchestra on an apple box
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383869 << we don't have a computer that you can buy that makes this concept have a point
asciilifeform: we don't have a computer.
asciilifeform: mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i got it to compile ages ago, the tricky bit is to add useful tendrils into it
asciilifeform: or even compile itself on.
asciilifeform: (it isn't as if they were of any serious amplitude, or even fluctuated in any particular phase to salaries, interest rates, or other relevant number)
asciilifeform: and even there folks chortled when i asked 'notice no mention of complexity class proof or even assumption'
asciilifeform: implement tx debugger, sane logger instrumentation, and 101 other things, IN IT
asciilifeform: with that in mind, YES, the logs need timestamps, or better still, an adjustable format, verbosity levels, etc.
asciilifeform: and correctly implementable by a stray dog
asciilifeform: ~genuine~ reduction in complexity specifically excludes shenanigans where it is 'swept under the rug' and hidden somewhere else
asciilifeform: or at the worst, a simple telnet-type protocol
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the whole racket stood on a solid column of chump, and was designed around such
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382433 << all i really want presently is to dump mempool. and to have some means of removing ANYTHING whatsoever from it. because if we had this, we COULD semispace-garbagecollect.
asciilifeform played with a bag of empty shells of those, as a boy
asciilifeform: only because the beast is immunocompromised
asciilifeform: i am picturing, one day measured value of plank's constant shifts, mircea_popescu goes back to sleep, says 'this shift was implicit all along, could not otherwise happen.' and will sleep until the very integers get up and walk around.
asciilifeform: this being said, i wouldn't mind visiting limonov's (or mircea_popescu's for that matter) planet where folks practice bare-handed head-chopping from sunrise to noon, and measure neutron cross-sections, compose symphonies, after dinner
asciilifeform: as amply confirmed experimentally as anything i'd care to think of.
asciilifeform: thesis is that 'the spartan speaks with his sword', untempered, results in goatfuckistan.
asciilifeform: perhaps a better example would've been the 10,000 yrs of australian abo.
asciilifeform: but overall, dependency on ~more~ unix tools is a bad thing, and dependency on ~more complicated~ and less-likely-to-be-reimplemented-by-wot-folk-soon tools, likewise
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently fella wanted to reimplement v in gnumake (as i once considered doing) but made some peculiar design decisions along the way
asciilifeform: wait till polarbeard finds out what ~else~ we intend to implement for the n+1th time
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: living in a rising, rather than falling, empire
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that is implied under 'graduated'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was some chick, you quoted it as 'as the name implies, i am jinglebutt. now remove me from this list' or the like
asciilifeform: polarbeard: care to give an example of how this was run ?
asciilifeform: you lose a good bit of important side functionality, and become dependent on a gigantic gnuturd
asciilifeform: i actually considered implementing v this way, and decided against it
asciilifeform: sorta like a fella i once knew who had a 'new computer if this one dies' warranty, and had a handy electrostatic wand'o'death he built for new-computer-gettin'
ascii_butugychag: wasn't it in mircea_popescu's recent article where 'common man must be pumped through a sewer tunnel but oughta have a small escape hatch' ?
ascii_butugychag: whaddayamean can't comprehend drudgery
ascii_butugychag: i would have ignored it but there was much noise about preemptive closing of the trains
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381007 << these were not chimeras ! but immunocompromised beasts
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldn't it already be a thing if we had the fee-based mempool sorter ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380275 << i could try feigning stupidity and becoming sturmbannführer of something, but i don't think it works like that - you can't turn into a hapsburg emperor by elongating your nose, last i heard
asciilifeform: mod6: does your vtron implement 'origin' ?
asciilifeform: there is no place in computingdom where one does not find it after just a light scratch.
asciilifeform: or that the sea of shit in which we are now drowning was implicit in 1940s model of computer, and is no accident
asciilifeform: 'It is called the 'One-Page CPU' because you can fit the specification on an 8.5 by 11 sheet of paper without margins using 8 point Consolas font, and still have lots of room to spare. It is intended to be an easy to emulate compile target that supports context switching and interrupts.'
asciilifeform: http://recc.robertelder.org/op-cpu.txt << he has a full toolchain, incl. c compiler, and several emulators for it
asciilifeform: and reading mircea_popescu on certain subjects is rather reminiscent of this 'computer'
asciilifeform: he said 'i will give you a gift! a real computer!'
asciilifeform: i suppose herr ceausescu would be a counter-example
asciilifeform: and from mircea_popescu's articles i get the impression that his meatspace friends are respectable folk, 'high power' lawyers, traders, etc. rather than cpp connoisseurs
asciilifeform: now i've never actually met a chess-boxer. but it would not astonish me if i learned that they keep the company of other boxers and regard actual Großmeisters, who devoted their lives to chess, as effete lusers.