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ben_vulpes: fucking pointers and in place mutation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00055963 = 18.9435 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: AND NOW I BLESS THEE WITH THE HOLY BIGNUM THIS FUNCTION PASSES ALL AROUND ITSELF
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 415 @ 0.00263136 = 1.092 BTC [+]
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ben_vulpes: "As always when a large group of people without prior exposure to Jace are introduced to his world, every single existing theory on his authenticity was brought up and discussed in great detail, as were questions concerning the state of mental health care in the United States, the situation of veterans, and the practicality of using a Prius in a street race." << ladies and gentlemen, i present...my peers in the eyes of american law.
BingoBoingo just stumbled upon this lulz catalog yesterday after getting my quarterly fix of CWC updates
ben_vulpes: "the reason why cops call it the web is because, The online is a 'Web' of lies and/or Computers are Satans kingdom on earth"
BingoBoingo: Basically Ironman's that movie where batman finally spends enough Hodl to build a suit that lets him do all the things superman does
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assbot: Goat Rentals Take Off In Seattle On First Day Of Amazon Home Services | KUOW News and Information ... (
http://bit.ly/20itWpe )
danielpbarron: >> The Nadi tights, which were announced at CES and will be available for pre-sale in May, can survive up to 25 washes. << planned obsolescence, now for pants!
punkman: you know there are clothes that can survive 0 washes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158150 @ 0.00055619 = 87.9614 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: "The OnCare™ LiftSeat® Powered Toilet Lift™ features LiftTek™ core assistive technology" "patent-pending drop-in commode bucket"
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assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 04:16:03; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my objection was to the notion of reading 600kB patches of spaces-to-tabs-every-line
mircea_popescu: my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ?
mircea_popescu: and also, since we're taking out memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); in favour of, from what i understand, unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; are these actually and in fact equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: especially after hanging out here i trust c++ about as much as php with these sorts of things
mircea_popescu: the wisdom seems to be that "don't fucking memcpy by hand, the compiler inlines (or even register-moves) most assignments itself and unlike you it fucking knows when to do it", but hey.
mircea_popescu: i can't help myself but suspect there may have been a good reason for the weird, even given the immense piles of pointless insanity scattered throughout the code.
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mircea_popescu: "If there is someone at this point who can look at Jace's insane rambling during this event and take it as a credible threat to Brianna Wu's life, they are either willfully misconstruing the facts or being intentionally alarmist to the point of complete credibility loss. " mno. they are being obtuse to the point of well adjusted, functioning ustard. how the fuck else does anything work in that country ? look at a dumb
mircea_popescu: lazy kid and write down "student", look at a weirdo babbling and write down "threat report", the whole meta-state survives out of categorical confusion of this sort.
mircea_popescu: "The number of video views rose to almost 40,000 within a day" << sigh. this is notable in what fucking alt-world ? i remember the earlier days of "omaigerd teh interwebs matter" when the numbers destined to impress the reader were in the millions. by now it's as if "consensus" has been achieved around the proposition that such a statement is impressive period, and the number's irrelevant. 40k people viewed every singl
mircea_popescu: e fucking concrete support in every town that has a subway that same day. what of it!
mircea_popescu: "On GamerGhazi, comments explaining that Jace was little more than an elaborate hoax were deleted, because they did not fit Wu's harassment narrative." <doh.
mircea_popescu: Steevo moaned, I cant even afford a pizza for the wife and kid on Friday night << the depth of the fucking disconnect. i wouldn't even eat what he calls pizza, if it were free. in fact i'd have serious compunction giving it to some begging dude.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58350 @ 0.00056236 = 32.8137 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: in other news : the title for stealing the highest traffic website doesn't go to the derps you'd expect, but to the russkis equivalent.
http://jw.org
gribble: Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
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shinohai: also known as the creepy people that stalk you in city subway terminals hawking magazines.
shinohai: Does that apply to all proselytizing though?
mircea_popescu: supposedly 4chan accepts bitcoin payments.... except when you go to pay them, they take paypal and the ccs. what sorta bs is this, are these people living in 2011 or somesuch ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13836 @ 0.00056535 = 7.8222 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: also someone tell newstarget.com that hostgator is stealing their 404s
PeterL: Biotech scientists now raising human–animal chimeras on U.S. farms ... << wasn't there already a thread about sheepfucking?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? << Not very "warm and fuzzy" on the openssl trust factor either. Would some tests or debugging help around this part?
mircea_popescu: the problem with tests is that you can't test for something not happening.
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mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 14:57:50; mircea_popescu: lots of bunnies grew ears on their back etc
ascii_butugychag: in exactly the same sense that man who eats chicken is not a man-chicken chimera.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 12:42:36; mircea_popescu: and also, since we're taking out memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); in favour of, from what i understand, unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; are these actually and in fact equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); << so this takes nsize bytes from pchsig and copies them over where vchsig lies.
mircea_popescu: unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; << this takes the pointer pos and points it to what vchsig is
mircea_popescu: my question is : are these two in fact equivalent. because we can end up with surprises in this sort of change.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 15:49:10; mircea_popescu: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); << so this takes nsize bytes from pchsig and copies them over where vchsig lies.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 15:49:34; mircea_popescu: unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; << this takes the pointer pos and points it to what vchsig is
mircea_popescu: ok but aren't they intended to be functionally equivalent by the patch ?
mircea_popescu: from what i hear from people who'd know, tis a common affliction.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the bit is in the horse's mouth : trb will be more read than wrot.
ascii_butugychag: (there is supposed to be a snow fall tonight in this part of the world, train stations will close, etc)
mircea_popescu: someone should someday write the anthropological study about the impact of katrina in the media. it's when derping pointlessly about the weather went from ridiculous to social expectation.
kakobrekla: since when do trains stop working if its snowing?
ascii_butugychag: i would have ignored it but there was much noise about preemptive closing of the trains
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla since the infrastructure hasn'\t been maintained in 30 years.
ascii_butugychag: (no word on whether obamitler is buttoned up inside or went off to the tropics)
ascii_butugychag: (you need not only snow but rails that aren't traversed regularly)
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: shouldn't you be at home. you don't want to get stranded in the uranium mines.
PeterL: what does DC get, like a half an inch at a time and they shut down? Up north here we don't blink at a foot of snow.
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: normally. result is that the place is grossly underequipped for anything like reasonable snow, and traffic grinds to a halt
PeterL: y'all are a bunch of pansies, afraid of a bit of snow
thestringpuller: PeterL: You guys have more than 1 snowplow for the whole state.
thestringpuller: PeterL: your roads are also the worst thing to drive on ever.
PeterL: just don't drink the water if you are driving through Flint
ascii_butugychag: doesn't help that d.c. roads are packed to 110% even without any snow or rain etc
ascii_butugychag: as for why they'd close the trains, i cannot say except that the latter are in a historic state of disrepair.
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ascii_butugychag: and dc metro dept. pulls interesting tricks - retains ~half the staff actually needed so that the remaining can work mandatory overtime and earn ~200K-usd
mircea_popescu: PeterL> y'all are a bunch of pansies, afraid of a bit of snow << ho i knew took a (well earned) vacation to morocco in the middle of the carpathian winter once. her fondest memory was that there was a tiny bit of snow just as she got ou of the bus, and everyone in sight was on their ass. "they have no idea how to walk on snow, the africans!"
PeterL: is that terminal as in cancer or terminal as in computer, or as in train station?
terminal: I'm a guy who's thinking about buying a significant amount of ETH
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 13:40:52; *: adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 13:41:39; mircea_popescu: lol no idea ? your isomer ?
terminal: I'm a software developer who is interested in the ecosystem, I see a lot of practicality in ethereum. Mostly I'm just looking for longterm gains
mircea_popescu: terminal well, get in the wot and let us know how your trade went as far as long term gains.
terminal: Why the negative sentiment about ethereum here?
punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth
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AdrianG: ethereum could have short-term momentum due to investors interest, its far more preferable to mention it in corporate pitches vs bitcoin.
thestringpuller: that's because investors seem to be borderline scandalous these days.
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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thestringpuller: Bitcoin isn't yieling what they have come to expect, so lets through fiat at Ehtereum and see what happens.
mircea_popescu: AdrianG if what you aim is to make money out of the vc circus, you're very much in the wrong spot.
mircea_popescu: like every fashion-driven scam, gotta keep ahead of the wavefront, not sit behind.
AdrianG: i remember at the peak of btc 2013 heights, litecoin was something around 11% of the btc marketcap
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: guess that's how TaT made bank on the ASICMINER scam.
AdrianG: some spillover is inevitable
mircea_popescu: heh, the usg can't afford to throw away half a bil just for this.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: if you are trying to extract fiat profits from Bitcoin, you've got some learnin' to do.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: as for bitcoin not doing what investors expect, ethereum can be shoehorned into their needs much more easily
mircea_popescu: the only problem with their "needs" is that their needs are a certain path to their own doom.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: good is subjective. its just a perception.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: there is sanity and insanity. You don't try to run a business with insanit expecting it to function.
thestringpuller: Most Bitcoin VC cirus shows are like watching a very long episode of the Profit without Marcus Lemonis.
AdrianG: why is using something like ethereum insanity?
AdrianG: thestringpuller: he's just very skinny
thestringpuller: They said that about Dib from Invader Zim and he obviously didn't amount to much.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: i think a programmable ledger has legitimate uses. unfortunately for ethereum holders, those ledgers are going to be private and inaccessible from outside.
AdrianG: banks are drowning in legacy code. anything that helps them to move away from it is useful.
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AdrianG: even as just an experiment, really.
mircea_popescu: malformed, dysfunctional, self-contradictory, defeated propositions aren't better than the currently chosen broken one. the broken one hasn't been chosen on technical merit.
AdrianG: what makes you so certain it has no uses whatsoever?
mircea_popescu: this is exactly why all the "oh, bitcoin needs x" "oh, bitcoin must or else Y will" bla bla is meaningless.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: you're failing to realize how terminal the system is right now.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: i never argued against that.
mircea_popescu: take your window, on the presumption that you are currently located in a room with one. this window of yours COULD be used as a door, to a larger degree than ethereum could be used to anything.
mircea_popescu: neveretheless... have you used it as a door ? will you ?
thestringpuller: AdrianG: Yes but you are arguing for trying to teach a sickly man to learn how to dunk a basketball.
AdrianG: why do you guys only speak in strawmen?
AdrianG: cryptographically signed txn ledger will simplify parts of audits
AdrianG: they can just basically automate a lot of regulatory compliance and cut out humans
mircea_popescu: of course, the other way to automate regulatory bs is to ignore it until it goes away.
PeterL: <AdrianG> cryptographically signed txn ledger will simplify parts of audits << why do they need etherum for this? just sign bits of the normal ledger as they are made, why do you need to involve cryptocurrency?
AdrianG: PeterL: it would have nothing to do with cryptocurrency ofc.
AdrianG: ethereum as a cryptocurrency itself is probably useless.
AdrianG: PeterL: it would be just a private instance, or a federated peg at best.
AdrianG: and signing the normal ledger, is just a small part, programmability gives you a lot more flexibility to code business logic in.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: how does this not differ from: "it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other."
AdrianG: thestringpuller: it differs in that an implementation already exists.
thestringpuller: except ethereum assumes all individuals in a contract act as machines. Better yet why not make them all machines!
mircea_popescu: AdrianG implementation is not per se valuable, for the sad reason that it is much cheaper to write code than to read it.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: people tend to re-use existing stuff.
mircea_popescu: anyone in business will prefer to write de novo rather than audit the dubious code of the crowd of idiot kids gathered around that buteriun dude.
mircea_popescu: it's a delusion, born fundamentally out of a lack of business experience.
AdrianG: banks' software depends on thousands of libraries written by random hobos
AdrianG: it wouldnt be anything new
thestringpuller: AdrianG: actually it's mostly a lot of java/vb code written by indian d00ds.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he's technically correct, they just stole it and delivered it, but anyway.
thestringpuller: i've invested in hobos. not really an investment as much as charity.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: sure, random indian d00ds
AdrianG: its not qualitatively different from code written by random hobos
mircea_popescu: better investment than chasing cephaloids' dubious fortunes at mit.
PeterL: does trb debug.log grow infinitely?
punkman: PeterL: it compacts on startup iirc
PeterL: so should I do something to it while it is running?
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
punkman: PeterL: I guess you could rotate the log
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i've been wondering, what the nazi variant of 'v' might look like
ascii_butugychag: or does it even make sense to suppose that usg uses anything of the kind
punkman: probably involves smartcards?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag ever met a govt employee that welcomed accountability ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: no, but i've met hordes who just ~loved~ faux-accountability
mircea_popescu: well... as much as a car without combustion as possible.
jurov: they do try at NASA, but they do it in meritocracy way
jurov: i.e. ennumerating mistakes, not people
mircea_popescu: lol, because mistakes, rather than people, are finite. gg.
jurov: dunno about funding, but it's nice example to avoiding accountability
mircea_popescu: i still recall the feynman conundrum. to me it's the archetype for this.
ascii_butugychag: it is not enough, for a classic bureaucrat, to avoid accountability; he has to put in scar tissue that gives the appearance thereof
trinque: ascii_butugychag: sounds like a centralized CVS/SVN repo where sigs "vote" for what constitutes the master branch
jurov: oh i meant pirely software development
jurov: no idea about possiblility of signing hardware
mircea_popescu privately bets alfie will mention the three russian stooges thing.
mircea_popescu: seeing how the men in question were unfortunate to die befgore the bible.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the future there will be the principal cause of war :
mircea_popescu: different branches in the wot disputing which earlier node to be credited with x.
PeterL: can we has !wot <nick> where the links get sent from assbot to <nick> instead of dumping in chan?
PeterL: proly want to limit the number of times assbot responds to stop spam vector?
mircea_popescu: but if you';re sick of seeing it you should be able to config your client to ignore that line.
terminal2: I've never had a GPG key before lol. I will make one tonight. On ETH: While I don't see a reason for established companies to re-use ethereum - I think you need to account for all the companies nerd kids will create ontop of it - which will grow
terminal2: Migrating a DAO off of ethereum would not be an easy thing to do in most cases
PeterL: all the "companies" will be amazing
terminal2: Only takes a couple of breakout successes to make ETH take off I think
mircea_popescu: terminal2 by this reasoning you really should invest in toilets.
terminal2: Don't know anything about ASICMINER
mircea_popescu: think of all the growth the kids will create on top of their parent's food!
terminal2: Toilets would have been great to invest in before they were owned by everyone
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? << Just to touch back on this again - I'd like to see more of this. If you happen to be reading through the code, and there is a question, ask - let's discuss.
thestringpuller: terminal2: ASICMINER actually delivered on their IPO, their stock skyrocketed. However due to insane management that seems to be very common in the mining world, the company imploded.
mod6: And 'you' in the sense of all of us. Not just Mr. P.
mod6: I think it's vital that we all gain a good grasp of what the intricacies are in this code - myself included.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the thing is, that 10`000 we took out - while very sensible to be out and belongs out - could very well had been covering up for say an openssl bug.
mircea_popescu: like it or not this is the level of scrutiny that patches have to face, even if it makes develoipment slow.
thestringpuller: well openssl will eventually need to be excised as well, what to replace it with, I don't know.
mircea_popescu: while cutting out crud we could get away with less poring, but as we add / change / etc it becomes ever more problematic.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wouldn't unit testing coverage prevent some of this from becoming a problem?
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 15:31:49; mircea_popescu: the problem with tests is that you can't test for something not happening.
thestringpuller: If you have expected behavior there should be a way to measure if that behavior changes due to something introduced into the system.
thestringpuller: i don't know in practice how "unknown unknowns" affect the system.
ascii_butugychag: there are exactly three mechanisms known for creating correctness:
ascii_butugychag: 1) fits-in-head. also known popularly as 'knowing precisely wtf you're doing'
trinque: the goddamned deedbot node would not sync no matter what... untli I changed his external IP
ascii_butugychag: trinque: if it's not a seekrit: why does deedbot use a heathen bitcoinatron ?
trinque: because his new trb node is at 152k
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> like it or not this is the level of scrutiny that patches have to face, even if it makes develoipment slow. << i very much agree with this methodology.
mircea_popescu: trinque i suspect this is what drove alf's ideas of you know, deliberate sabotage against trb nodes.
trinque: I have seen ample evidence to suggest it in deedbot's logz
trinque: in related news, deedbot- will be back when I figure out why it can no longer connect to freenode, having only changed his external IP
ascii_butugychag: i suppose the theory is that we are morons, and will conclude that 'trb is broken, can't sync' ?
trinque: ascii_butugychag: was there something else I was supposed to say aside from NICK to get going?
punkman: terminal2: Now everyone has a toilet << not true, and good chance you'll make more money investing in toilets than ETH
ascii_butugychag: it would probably look something like a nagant cylinder turned up
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, i suspect you'll find the latest quite very interesting, if you manage to wade through it all.
ascii_butugychag: but really in his harem scenario i'd imagine he would build something more like a horseshoe shape, so the users can face one another
mircea_popescu: so in that sense, my os copies files a lot faster than that.
mircea_popescu: seriously, 10 hours for 100gb ? what is this, maxtor days ?
trinque: well. I certainly didn't change the configuration to get that to connect.. merely the origin
trinque: AWS being the host was certainly a problem.
trinque: he'll be back again shortly
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: that article makes me think of (i entirely forget the source) - approximately - 'every man's life has a time when things were working correctly'
trinque: thestringpuller: yep, though not one I've passed any judgement on yet, other than "is elsewhere"
ascii_butugychag: the observation about 'girl is not annoying because it is a girl' is spot-on
ascii_butugychag: reading mircea_popescu's recollections of the '90s porn set feels a little like another one of my predilections, memoirs of su physics/math folk
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone sane was seriously thinking the situation may survive. it was painfully obvious we're riding a self-limiting wave.
mircea_popescu: then again, granted, most of those involved were pretty nuts.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the observation about 'camgurlz are a magnet for the attention of subhuman bois' seems unsurprising
ascii_butugychag: ... isn't that sorta like 'toilet is a magnet for shit' ? yes, sometimes people plant flowers in one. but speaking as to its purpose.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a castigation of them. but the system is a chute down not a chute up.
mircea_popescu: let's see. suppose a land, fertile but unimproved. to get anything, you have to actually get it.
mircea_popescu: we know this does promote all the industries - people will hunt and make farms, and then need lumber and tv sets.
mircea_popescu: suppose now a desert with small pellet dispensers, where a little food can be had.
mircea_popescu: we know this promotes all the africas - people will sit around and invent ways to insure they don't upset the gods.
mircea_popescu: there is necessarily no ensuring "the gods". just you know, transactional insuring 'em.
ascii_butugychag: because land doesn't actually behave so differently from a food dispenser
mircea_popescu: yet the effects of tiny modulation in environment are indisputably major in the mold that grows out
ascii_butugychag: i'd conjecture that 'africanization' is at its height when the 'food dispenser' ~responds to human buluceala'
ascii_butugychag: (it isn't about whether the pellets are small, as in a zoo, or large, as in a harvest season - but that zoo ~answeres prayers~ and rewards wheedling)
mircea_popescu: consider. the first major invention that "revolutionized" mankind was... agriculture. it reduced the societal bolus from "whole bison, if you get it" to "a fraction of a crop, if you well save it".
mircea_popescu: this reduction similarly took the world from greece to rome, give or take.
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mircea_popescu: the next one, actual industry, reduced the bolus further (the chinese never developed industry because yes, their goverment had already reduced it to "one bowl of rice")
mircea_popescu: degradation of society generally follows the success of technology in reducing the size of the minimal harvest.
mircea_popescu: which is why we're to expect all sorts of wonders from micropayments ; all of which wonders begin and end with caged ratpeople.
ascii_butugychag: small pellet leads to thinking of next pellet always. as in the professor who described to me how crack is smoked
mircea_popescu: more importantly, small pellet makes it LESS important to live.
mircea_popescu: the hunter didn't fear death ; the farmer feared death only, not drudgery ; the factory worker can't even think death, fears drudgery, not anonymity.
mircea_popescu: then finally the "literate" or "white collar" or however you call the despicable postmodern otaku, intellectuals I suppose ? can't even comprehend drudgery, fears anonimity, i can scarcely look down to see what's next.
ascii_butugychag: why do you suppose just about all of these people kill themselves ?
mircea_popescu: why does it happen to them that they died ? no one knows, for drudgery can't be thought.
ascii_butugychag: i can readily observe at least a subset of things they choose to do, when i find myself readily able to avoid doing them
ascii_butugychag: for instance, drinking yourself into catatonia every friday is optional
mircea_popescu: to quote, " Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?"
mircea_popescu: for me and for the waitress, showing up at the restaurant is optional, right ? and so it is for the cat.
ascii_butugychag: but i find a good bit of what these people do to themselves to be readily optional, at least in the sense that eating one's nagant is optional
mircea_popescu: "the beef is not a playing character for not having escaped from its pen ; the waitress is a playing character for not having escaped from its pen." << shall need some more sandbags. why hate the cow, what, if you prick it does it not bleed ?
ascii_butugychag: i've never seen a human woman land by mistake in a cow pen and end up processed for beef
ascii_butugychag: wasn't it in mircea_popescu's recent article where 'common man must be pumped through a sewer tunnel but oughta have a small escape hatch' ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, as a matter of fact some cows do make it out!
thestringpuller: "Apollo astronauts called their urine dumps "The Constellation Urion" and said it was very beautiful."
thestringpuller: SMTP's limit is 99mn terabytes!!!! Why do we need limit on blocksize guise?!?!?
assbot: More Air Force drones are crashing than ever as mysterious new problems emerge - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1Pb6qH9 )
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thestringpuller: Ugh. Can Roger Ver just go the fuck away, this prick is more of a douchebag than Weev.
thestringpuller: he's basically on reddit wanting Core to become bitcoin politicians
thestringpuller: so now he's gone from being bitcoin businessman to bitcoin politician
BingoBoingo: When we got our snow earier this week I was the only person the on our street civilized enough to shovel his drive way. Now that there's been a few days for it to melt and refreeze neighbors are complaining they can't get into or out of theirs because they've become too slick. Also precious few sidewalks have been shoveled in town.
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, nordic system looking better and better innit?
BingoBoingo: Usually get around with car in winter, sufficient wild snowplows here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Used to not be this way. Sometime 10-15 years ago the torts think scared people out of taking responsibility for clearing winter weather
mircea_popescu recalls enjoying doing it, the one year he ended up seriously snowed upon
BingoBoingo: It's not spectualarly fun, but its a way to be outside in the cold without feeling cold
BingoBoingo: What I don't get though is the people so lazy they won't do their own driveway and end up housebound three days after the last snow falls
BingoBoingo: We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily
mircea_popescu: and then by the time i cleared it, there was a slight melt an d i got a futher two tons off the roof.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the big snows are much more fun. Only been through a couple snows between 18-24 inches.
BingoBoingo: Also when done a well earned sense of superiority over other locals who are less accomplished in the clearing
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BingoBoingo: "Unlike me, Erik tries to be nice, to everyone, all the time. The downside of his approach is that he is treated like dirt, by everyone. Not every time, but every time it actually matters. (You are invited to review the logs of the #bitcoin-dev channel [cached] and make up your own mind on the subject.) "
BingoBoingo definitely bullish on 2013 flashbacks this year
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes i'd avoid all chrysler products (including jeep) like the plague. land cruiser/4runner, tahoe/suburban, and explorer/expedition are all worth considering and all fit the "mega-suv with low tco and reasonable maintenance prospects for an american family" niche. that being said, you'd probably be just as well, if not better, served by the 00-06 escape or 97-02 cr-v, both of which should be quiet
pete_dushenski: easier to park, better on fuel, and have lower tco. whichever way you go, driving them each and finding a used car with known providence (receipts!) are the two most important factors.
BingoBoingo: Dodge Magnum though could make interesting baby wagon. Just high risk of being stolen because "urban favorite"
pete_dushenski: magnum r/t for sure. probably less than $10k for a decent one.
pete_dushenski: chrysler has definitely taken the crown of "piece of cobbled together shit that only lasts as long as you're making payments on it", which fiat had through the 80s. fitting that fiat came back to north america in 2012 under chrysler proprietorship, really.
BingoBoingo: Meatspace friend had boring v6 one for a while. Beat it all to hell then "upgraded" to one of the daewoo crossovers rebadged as a chevy.
BingoBoingo: He mentioned not missing the covetous looks he got driving the magnum around the city
pete_dushenski: aha. the lulz of an "american" truck or car being designed and built in the firstest bestest southest korea. truly one of america's most glorious embarrassments.
BingoBoingo: I mean it was understandable when they did it with the Aveo because they wanted a bottom end car to scare people into buying up.
pete_dushenski: the only way i could explain dodge thefts topping the charts is that only poorfags ~report~ thefts, in much the same way as "all the rapes that happen on us campuses are committed by varsity athletes"
pete_dushenski: it's like the most believable pick-up line in the hood : "i'd pick you up at 8, hun, but my charger srt8 got stolen last week and i'm still trying to track down the basterds who dun it."
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: the only problem with that aveo theory is that... it was better than the cobalt.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: A lot of the charger/etc thefts are from rental agencies
BingoBoingo: The aveo and cobalt were different kinds of terrible
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The cobalt was basically a cavalier refresh which was a familiar, dependable kind of shitty. The aveo was an alien kind of suck.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:29:45; BingoBoingo: Dodge Magnum though could make interesting baby wagon. Just high risk of being stolen because "urban favorite"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: and you'd be amazed how many buyers preferred the alien. i sold 10x aveos as cobalts in my day.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Magnum is a good old fashioned station wagon.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're not progressive enough to get it
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You also are Canadian. Locally cobalts are common. Aveos are what Chinese restaurant workers drive.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Crash resistance. Truck is only way to get body on frame construction. Also favorable height differential in crash.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:39:10; pete_dushenski: the only way i could explain dodge thefts topping the charts is that only poorfags ~report~ thefts, in much the same way as "all the rapes that happen on us campuses are committed by varsity athletes"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not only are you not a progressive now, but you've clearly never been one either. while it's true that some fall into the 'prius/tesla' camp, others fall into the 'i'd never drive a sedan or wagon because that's what my parents did and that's old-fashioned and/or otherwise bad mkay' camp
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: as to thefts, the point of the rape parallel is that the act (of ownership or sex) never actually happened.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: as BingoBoingo points out, that most of the 'thefts' happened on rental lots indicates exactly this. namely, fraud.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No. Thefts are rentals that just don't get returned. Talked to a couple people who did the scary work of "rental car recovery"
pete_dushenski: or car "disappeared" from and ended up at employee's step-brother's house, "somehow"
jurov: rental agencies don't report that?
jurov: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: What typically was the worst case was car renter took car to region under "sovereign flag" like certain areas of North St Louis that precluded recovery when lojack revealed the car to be there.
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have experience with North Star Micro Electronics?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Apparently at that point recovery efforts became limited to driving by to verify the car was there and making it insurance company's problem
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: bwahaha. "how much does your enemy need to pay you for you to answer the call in his time of need ?"... indeed. why shouldn't "recovery" guys be on the same side as "thieves" ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: We shall see. I would like to put 8 of them in your hands. S.NSA needs a R&D project.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not necessarily on side of theives. Company just did not want life insurance premiums to bankrupt them so placed sane limits on what could be recovered from where.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: know anything about the honda passport model?
ben_vulpes: what does 'korean' mean for build quality and lifetime?
pete_dushenski: there's a good reason you don't see many 15-20 year old hyundais on the road
ben_vulpes: all the good cars have miserable lines.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'sold now' is not under consideration.
pete_dushenski: korean shitboxes tend to rattle and groan like very poorly maintained vacuum cleaners at 15-20 years of age and find themselves in the scrap yard as a result
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Gas is cheap. Just get a Ford Excursion and be done with it.
BingoBoingo: Just imagine how much bandwidth it would have when full of tapes!
pete_dushenski: " Will trow set of massa 23inch wheels if pay full price." <<< !!!
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ben_vulpes: certainly felt like it, driving across town to school and back every day.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bigger than some apartments
BingoBoingo: Can roll the window down and jsut drop a turd on the highway
mod6: '-has a couple songs in the rear bumper' wat?
BingoBoingo: mod6: How can one not want to investigate that mystery?
BingoBoingo: There's prolly also got to be aftermarket plate armour kits for the thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Arm fat, usually associated with older ladies that frequent Bingo halls. Now Obesity is prevalent enough the young and under exercised frequently have them. The arm fat in a bingo wing typically "flaps" when moving hence "wing"
BingoBoingo: But in the most gigantic, overwhelming space
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:56:13; gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have experience with North Star Micro Electronics?
BingoBoingo: Well. might actually make sense when children get to school if personally delivering them. May deter other parent's driving aggression if their baby wagon is insuffiecient to take yours in a fight for space.
BingoBoingo: Could also be a reflection of how many 'Muricans go planetary after birth requiring truck suspensions to hold their ass.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 22:40:27; BingoBoingo: Can then hang as trophy like "angel"
pete_dushenski: "Of the 269 Predators purchased by the Air Force since then, about half have been destroyed or badly damaged in accidents, records show." <--> "The Predator has been our most effective weapon in our campaign against the global jihadists,” said Michael G. Vickers, the Pentagon’s former top civilian intelligence official"
pete_dushenski: when your ~most effective~ weapon costs you more to build, maintain, and operate than it causes in damage to your enemies, you're deeply defeated.
pete_dushenski: not so. a pension is just a promise, a predator costs money today, in today's dollars
pete_dushenski: widow from vietnam can have 350/mo forever, can't afford cauliflower
pete_dushenski: see freight costs atm. here to shanghai for the cost of the containers.
pete_dushenski: "In March, the Air Force’s program manager for its Reaper fleet filed a report with the Pentagon noting that there had been “a dramatic increase” in starter-generator failures since 2013." <--> "General Atomics spokeswoman Kimberly Kasitz said the firm “stands behind the proven reliability” of the Reaper."
pete_dushenski: i greater display of circuitous wankery one could scarcely imagine.
pete_dushenski: "“Once the battery’s gone, the airplane goes stupid and you lose it,” said Col. Brandon Baker, chief of the Air Force’s remotely piloted aircraft capabilities division. “Quite frankly, we don’t have the root cause ironed out just yet.”"
pete_dushenski: also, "The Reaper carries an emergency battery backup system. But the batteries last only for about one hour. If a malfunctioning drone needs more time than that to reach an airfield, it is in trouble."
pete_dushenski: just imagine the conversation at lizard hitler hq : "sir, we have reports that the bitcoin xtcoreclassic team isn't providing adequate lulz to our enemies at #b-a. we've expended all the resources we had at our disposal and it still isn't enough. they're indefatigable sir!" "send in... the drones. it might not be a perfect plan, but it's all we have right now. at the very least, it'll buy us some time." "right away,
pete_dushenski: in lab, no, but the results would seem to support your theory, particularly as heathens with slingshots seem to be picking them off like flies buzzing around yesterday's leftovers
pete_dushenski: wait, really ? you think ~half~ of their fleet "had accidents" ?
pete_dushenski: i'm not persuaded that the front-line gameboyers think that there's an unlimited supply of these machines.
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polarbeard: I don't know if you'll find this interesting or horrible :)
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 22:37:55; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Arm fat, usually associated with older ladies that frequent Bingo halls. Now Obesity is prevalent enough the young and under exercised frequently have them. The arm fat in a bingo wing typically "flaps" when moving hence "wing"
polarbeard: I've been toying with trb's building scripts, and I've managed to do a whole build, including sig verification and pressing by generating a makefile
mircea_popescu: for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches.
mircea_popescu: apparently someone does this voluntarily! i expect to see prison camps next!
polarbeard: the makefile there is generated from the script on top
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.polarbeard.1:8a5bdee1eb6f2d33a59c6a5c2f83bc35d2934888e7e09fc6c99cbe2480d8c241
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for polarbeard with note: Managed a V press.
polarbeard: we have similar interests, for what I read in the public log
mircea_popescu: actually that's a neat little script. what dja think trinque mod6 ?
trinque: polarbeard: I posted some makefiles to the ML recently. How does what you've done here compare to it?
polarbeard: trinque: I used your makefiles to build the script actually, you sped up the process :)
polarbeard: this script generates a single makefile to verify, press and build, without using v
mircea_popescu: to look at that press enum... shit you people've been busy.
trinque: polarbeard: cool man. I'll read it in detail later this evening.
polarbeard: thanks! is still under heavy testing, but it works
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he included a test suite, and a list of its outputs, which is impressive.
polarbeard: those will not be imported if you already have them
polarbeard: yep, this is quite experimental anyway, I don't know make's limits
polarbeard: maybe if you feed it too much targets i'll die
mircea_popescu: "make has a 100000 targets limit written into the code"
polarbeard: after verifying, patches are split into hunks
polarbeard: why split or why make has to resolve them?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381687 << the definition of "effective" under which he operates is both peculiar and self-defeating. he wants to get something (in this case, anything, whatsoever) for nothing (in this case, no casualties, the one thing usg can't afford is coffins). so in that sense, his insanity is sensible.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:35; pete_dushenski: when your ~most effective~ weapon costs you more to build, maintain, and operate than it causes in damage to your enemies, you're deeply defeated.
polarbeard: it helps with parallelization but there was another reason I forgot
mircea_popescu: so technically it doesn't need the v once the output has been generated.
polarbeard: you get a signable build process though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, as per github tradition. if you trust your computer and v implementation, you can sign the output.
mircea_popescu: how do you thinkg everything else that's signed out there is signed ?
polarbeard: hunks is generated by the script after verification
polarbeard: you probably need to specify some paths, wot, patches and sigs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches. << Aha, yes. It's like lottery as in person activity.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:08:54; asciilifeform: about what a truck costs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno, it looks more like a job (and a shitty one at that) than entertainment to me.
polarbeard: right, you have to feed all the targets
polarbeard: that's why I said I don't know wether this will hit make's limits
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta consider the people wo were playing. "Big prison" is already pretty well engrained into their "living"
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:27:04; buZz: i am me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mostly here played by the elderly
mircea_popescu: tho i suppose some of the gentlemen may prefer swedes.
mircea_popescu: polarbeard you can self-voice, say !up to assbot in private.
mircea_popescu: actually, that one reporter wasn't bad, however long ago.
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:00:59; ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:13:17; mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT implied. most employers of uni derps are unis.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 8MN is par for feeding some classes of derp
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 21:20:07; gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: No one terribly interesting.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 16:55:28; mircea_popescu: who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ?
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2014 18:47:15; mircea_popescu: that's maybe what are you doing. who are you ?
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <nubbins`> <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america?
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: From what I understand nubsy occasionally has things to do like reveal laser fraud and print.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OKC is where a lot of fatfishing happens
pete_dushenski: btc-e trading higher than bistamp, which is itself trading higher than bitfinex... don't think i've ever seen that before.
pete_dushenski: from the mines : "Make no mistake. Shinola watches are battery-powered, quartz movement watches. They’re not automatics. One could question whether or not a battery-powered watch justifies a $550-$1,000+ price. However, the quartz movements are made by their Swiss partners, Ronda AG, and then are sent to the 30,000 square foot Detroit factory where Shinola created dozens of jobs for Americans. Each Shinola watchmak
pete_dushenski: ndergoes intense, strict training. None of them had any watchmaker experience before. In short, not only did Shinola create jobs, they gave Detroit natives the training to do those jobs. That’s a pretty fucking noble cause, if you ask me."
pete_dushenski: who wouldn't want an over-priced timepiece manufactured by hobos ? not ~real~ americans !!!1
mircea_popescu: uh. weren't q&q quartz timepieces like 10-20 bux since forever ?
pete_dushenski: the only major city with rents under $1/sqm lend untold credulity and providence
mircea_popescu: "As for having fat pets, this shows that they have no concept of portion control. An animal will eat anything you put in front of it." << this is nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:28; asciilifeform: quite odd that nobody has yet (afaik) demonstrated this.
mircea_popescu: (photodiode interrupted electic firiing, fly under enemy, boom)
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: You know you can voice yourself now?
ben_vulpes: i think that i hate managing projects.
mircea_popescu: "What are you, you're a secretary, John. Fuck you. That's my message for you."
ben_vulpes: the salesmen are also entirely interchangeable.
ben_vulpes: except for the ones who are not and who don't want anything to do with my asbestos gloves.
mircea_popescu: all of the defense (you know, picking up when people steal toilet paper), none of the offense, none of the good stuff, like making the team not suck dicks.
ben_vulpes: i don't see the problem with embezzling a reasonable amount of toilet paper. it's a valid business expense, and the staff don't get taxed for it.
mircea_popescu: well, it's your fucking toilet paper and what sort of people are these.
ben_vulpes: hey man i'm just trying to get cash in the kids pockets while paying as little taxes on it as possible
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ben_vulpes: the insane fucking rules around ESOPs. i tell you.
ben_vulpes: wall street and congress got a hold of the notion and now there are all sorts of arcane bezzle-quirements like "must get valued by a state-blessed valutron", "must be investment grade paper" etc.
mircea_popescu: the problem here, and it's a fundamental problem, is that the derps that get employed aren't usually investor grade.
mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: i had to explain how buy-and-hold of non-dividend-paying-stocks the other day wasn't forgoing compounding.
mircea_popescu: the result is that they have to make an endless array of rules to approximate "not entirely fucktarded teen".
ben_vulpes: fucktarded teen still gets hoodwinked with worthless paper regularly.
mircea_popescu: the only correct solution is to pay in stock only. you do get alf moaning about his sad fate as an owner of his own fate,
mircea_popescu: but the alternative is drinking straight crazy from a toilet bowl.
ben_vulpes: and as a result, my equitizing the staff is miserably difficult.
mircea_popescu: imo you're trying to make a copper-iron thermostable alloy.
ben_vulpes: explain the parallel in a little more detail?
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason people who make 30 an hour should own stock ; and if they did it certainly shouldn't be yours.
mircea_popescu: their needs (represented by copper in this diagram) and the realities of owning stock in a small venture (represented by iron in same) have very different reactions to a change in financial context (represented as temperature)
mircea_popescu: you're trying to meld two things together that will never, ever stay put as temperature varies.
mircea_popescu: even if through whatever arcana you get it "good enough" for the current context you happen to inhabit, such as your room.
ben_vulpes: i realized that the shartup bezzletron actually got this right
mircea_popescu: hey, they don't pay me $infinity + bonuses + golden dirigibles for nothing.
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ben_vulpes: years of slaving for nuggets of insight once or thrice a quarter
ben_vulpes: i wonder what alf gets out of it, so competent as he is.
ben_vulpes: life would be more like you don't get them when you need them.
ben_vulpes: i am now confronted with the difficult question of what the fuck i'm doing even owning my own stock.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel?
ben_vulpes: clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'.
ben_vulpes: toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity!
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 20:50:17; BingoBoingo: We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily
ben_vulpes: well it doesn't actually work, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: apparently i'm so scary i'm the only one taking the wine^H^H^H^Htoilet paper home
ben_vulpes: "wipe your hands on your pants, plebe"
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:57:53; ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:40:55; mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: again with the not reading the threads omg!
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:07:25; ben_vulpes: toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity!
ben_vulpes: yes. that's a joke about stock in startups.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:57; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: actually these are cheap, esp. in that when they explode, nobody's widow gets a pension
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 03:15:33; asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:18; asciilifeform: incidentally 'predator' is a very slow machine, a toy chopper could quite likely catch up with it
ben_vulpes: we have yet to arrive at state-issued flats for all but the most deeeeeserving of poor.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: japanese for-placement-only netdrones could probably snag one
ben_vulpes: you can smell the users of fashionable editors a mile away
ben_vulpes: some "we're going to revolutionize editing text by pretending emacs was never a thing"
ben_vulpes: i routinely mock users who have the escape wired into their brains
ben_vulpes: "what, can't afford 10 dollars for your text editor?"
ben_vulpes: electron beam and a good set of sights
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:52:58; polarbeard: after verifying, patches are split into hunks
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:55:19; polarbeard: there is no v
polarbeard: the script is 300 lines, not hard to review
ben_vulpes: if so easy to review, similarly easy to explain.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:03:11; polarbeard: you need the diff splitter, splitdiff
polarbeard: make is a build tool, it can build the press
polarbeard: why implementing toposort for the nth time
ben_vulpes: why split the patches, polarbeard, quit dodging the question.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:33:02; asciilifeform: and to leave plenty over for the common piggy
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: should reimplementing toposort be impossibly painful for you...
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: look at my contribution history. it is very nearly 100% reimplementations of that which asciilifeform or mod6 or trinque have written first.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however.
ben_vulpes is the undereducated american today as every day
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:40:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however.
ben_vulpes: this is like me giving a shit about what gavin and company do and derp about on reddit.
ben_vulpes: the dependency chain of "well i work for satan because i got this useless phd that i got because i had a masters i didn't know what to do with because i got a bachelors that i similarly didn't understand the purpose of because i was told to go to college and" it never fucking ends and i don't really give a shit about the root cause for whatever retardation.
ben_vulpes: and no this is not "electron" this is why did isaac fuck ahmeds goat
ben_vulpes: i literally do not care and the spending of time figuring out why the derps do what they do is best left as an exercise to good men like mister backtick who actually enjoy hanging out on bitcointalk.org all day
ben_vulpes: and for the umpteenth time polarbeard /why/ split the damn patches and introduce a million new dependencies?
ben_vulpes: "i didn't know any better" is, for the record, an entirely acceptable response.
polarbeard: intermediate state is all about optimization
ben_vulpes: i saw some turds, asked some questions, am not entirely thrilled with answers.
ben_vulpes has now filed reports with whip-crackers, can go home to die in sweet embrace, will be off shortly
ben_vulpes: anyways, interesting thing, polarbeard, perhaps i shall test it some day along side the tools written by people i trust like mod6 and trinque and asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, try to understand why we use 'v', and why your failure to do so has lead me to stomp on the ground like a petulant child.
polarbeard: I would have to implement a hash table in bash
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polarbeard: that's right, I shouldn't have released it this early anyway
polarbeard: I wanted to instrumentalize trb a bit, btw
polarbeard: a tx debugger sort-of-fits in my plans
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assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:03:27; asciilifeform: brunel was in the up elevator
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:58:10; ben_vulpes: clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:04:27; ben_vulpes: well that's novel and depressing
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:10:21; ben_vulpes: i can see it though
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:17:41; asciilifeform: and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid.
mircea_popescu: so, if that guy fucks up, as no doubt he will, his distress is merely amusing from a societal pov. and perhaps instructive., but mostly amusing.
mircea_popescu: when plebs "own stock", the problem becomes unsolvable, because the ready answer is, "i can't blame myself, for i'm nothing - so i'll just blame the gods"
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:23:28; asciilifeform: ok so you ~were~ speaking of stock.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:27:13; asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise
mircea_popescu: two step process : a) make everyone ACTUALLY carry the burden of being the lord he was seeing himself as and b) allow the scum to shirk away.
mircea_popescu: then they'll rant and rave about "dupa ce i-a cheltuit vor merita sa devina muncitori ! Nu mai au nici o scuza ca au devenit saraci!"
mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
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danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 i think your twatter bot died again
danielpbarron: i like to retweet those greaterthan 100 btc trades
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:41:20; mircea_popescu: this is the cornerstone of any possible sociology.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prison term didn't dislodge. people came back to their own flats.
mircea_popescu: right. but generally fambly kept the place, for mere conviction. it had to be political-wrathful to dislodge.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the exact same sort of people sifted to the top in the su as do anywhere else all the time. which is why yeltsin didn't survive and putin did.
mircea_popescu: history is precisely an endless loop of the same thing. also, it has to be.
mircea_popescu: the inventor is in this matter very closely related to the fashion designer.
mircea_popescu: fortunately or otherwise, few live the millenia required for most of it to wear off.
mircea_popescu: also you'll be very hard pressed to argue that 5000 years of egypt were less than 5000 years hence.
mircea_popescu: (if for instance your aim is "population", mind that they started on a very narrow base. hard to beat.)
mod6: danielpbarron: thx for the heads up
mircea_popescu: you flatter yourself if you imagine there's more difference here than there, to an archeologist so distant in the future.
mircea_popescu: besides, the discussion in civilisational terms is besides the point. i guarantee that there was an alf in upper egypt bemoaning the vagaries of fate in the following exact terms :
mircea_popescu: "Whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them ?"
mircea_popescu: so what did not repeat ? the shape of the woman's pants ?
trinque: they used to have feet. so what?
mircea_popescu: do you miss the things that'll be discovered after you die, perhaps ? nobody cares. you happen to have seen telegraph. they saw the complex calculation of how to pi, and counted them very civilised for it. big whoop.
trinque: it's simply staring at the tool and thinking of it in isolation, rather than inside the human process in which it is used
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing to change. what'd you change ?
mircea_popescu: you still value what you lost more than what you gain by that loss. you still need stimuli to grow geometrically for subjective sensation to progress arithmetically.
trinque notes the former SU guy's fixation on novelty
mircea_popescu: i expect change like you expect nonsense. it comes out of young / silly people.
mircea_popescu: the only news in the world is the history you didn't know and the measurements you took incorrectly.
mircea_popescu: not like photons went you know what ? this planck constant's boring, let's get a new one.
mircea_popescu: it isn't up to them. some people dont' care. some do. they can't change this anymore than you can be a woman.
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that miseducation can bring one up to think himself the other kind, whichg CAN be remedied.
mircea_popescu: but this is not unlike retarded mother bringing boy up in skirts.
mircea_popescu: eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:40:38; mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:09:02; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381724 << if anyone in afghanistan etc were not fully employed in countig rocks and fucking goats thus managing to find their way here, i'd definitely finance a project to fly a quad to a drone and use the old komet trick
trinque: mircea_popescu │ eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off. << I'm going to go ahead and carve this one into the inside of my skull.
mircea_popescu: for instance, charge of electron can be measured even from white noise of antenna.
mircea_popescu: but no. your thesis is that "can only result in" goatfuckistan.
mircea_popescu: there's another great difference, which may be easier to ford. socialism - sacrifice now for later paradise. this - is enjoyable. now. so much so i have not the least care if paradise or no paradise, or as the old man of the mountain said to allah,
mircea_popescu: eh, period in my life, i'd go to a party and inexorably leave with a half sack of books.
mircea_popescu: possibly a contributing factor in my distaste with the damned things.
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trinque: why is the egyptian man's desire for food, a place to shit, and women to fuck different from mine? and if it isn't, whence this idea that my motivations are manifold (and advanced!), his few?
mircea_popescu: trinque well, an argument can be brought that yours are a lot more cleaved. like, you know, you can separately desire to lay with the woman as in cuddle, to lay with the woman as in fuck her brains out, to lay with the woman as to impregnate her and so on. whereas poor simple he, just lay with the woman.
mircea_popescu: now, whether a natural tongue or one surgically bifurcated is a change worth the mention... well... i suppose we must leave this up to the inventor.
mircea_popescu: lest the academic has to publish to justify his high station, an' the inventor must invent, hence so many new inventions all the time.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't explain why young men are so undistinguishable from monkeys.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the difference between man and monkey is that man realises it's not actually worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: or to put it in more familiar terms, you know why the german goes bald arouind the corona, and the romanian arfound the forehead ?
mircea_popescu: it's a visual joke. imagine me saying "hmm, i wonder how best to do this" whille scratching the top of my head
mircea_popescu: contemplation. that's the divide. reflexivity. once the hardware started doing recursion, it split.
mircea_popescu: monkey-human divide cybernetically equivalent to non-recursive / recursive systems.
mircea_popescu: this conception of "novelty" is not so dissimilar to creationist's conception of darwinism. "he said my auntie's a dog!"
mircea_popescu: so far the score's about a trillion to 0 the other way.
mircea_popescu: (actually the only sane model of physical cosmogony i know doth require shifting planck constant, if ever so shyly)
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mircea_popescu: (the problem, in the simplest terms, is that for h to be constant energy and spacetime must stay coupled. as such, it's impossible to have an original singularity (aka the big bang) seeing how everything solves neatly for a radius of 0, yielding a pretty field of 0's and a pile of nondetermined constants. conversely : in planck terms, the age of the universe is about 10^61, its radius about 10^61 and its energy about 1
mircea_popescu: 0^61, which is one hell of a coincidence that it should allign so right now! (same results can be expressed looking at the schwarzschild radius, too). )