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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker--market all
gribble: Error: "ticker--market" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 399.37, vol: 10882.56721678 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 400.3, vol: 8384.13004 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 397.5, vol: 36247.56345948 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.2, vol: 6.22430836 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 399.00304, vol: 88223.39620000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 414.544176, vol: 125.53458151 | Volume-weighted last average: 398.740525367
BingoBoingo: !up jimmy16
ben_vulpes: ugh cpp
ben_vulpes: fucking pointers and in place mutation
ben_vulpes breathes through the nausea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00055963 = 18.9435 BTC [-]
assbot: File:Gamerfruit.png - Lolcow Wiki ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 415 @ 0.00263136 = 1.092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57067 @ 0.00055677 = 31.7732 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: "As always when a large group of people without prior exposure to Jace are introduced to his world, every single existing theory on his authenticity was brought up and discussed in great detail, as were questions concerning the state of mental health care in the United States, the situation of veterans, and the practicality of using a Prius in a street race." << ladies and gentlemen, i peers in the eyes of american law.
assbot: Operation Wu-Pocalypse - Lolcow Wiki ... ( )
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo just stumbled upon this lulz catalog yesterday after getting my quarterly fix of CWC updates
ben_vulpes: "the reason why cops call it the web is because, The online is a 'Web' of lies and/or Computers are Satans kingdom on earth"
punkman: nothing, it's a comedy sketch
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 23:23:04; mircea_popescu: << da fuck does that even mean
BingoBoingo: Basically Ironman's that movie where batman finally spends enough Hodl to build a suit that lets him do all the things superman does
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 401 @ 0.00263798 = 1.0578 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.0005567 = 29.7835 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Amazon Hires Homeless Workers – And Everyone Ends Up Disappointed | KUOW News and Information ... ( )
assbot: JL: Insane Welfare Whore Alliance ... ( )
BingoBoingo: punkman: from same wrap
assbot: Goat Rentals Take Off In Seattle On First Day Of Amazon Home Services | KUOW News and Information ... ( )
danielpbarron: >> For example, if your hip is rotated too far inwards in warrior pose, a vibration will move across the hip in an outwards direction, like the guiding hands of a yoga instructor. When everything’s aligned, the tights give off a gentle "om" hum.
assbot: These Vibrating Yoga Pants Will Correct Your Downward Dog ... ( )
danielpbarron: >> The Nadi tights, which were announced at CES and will be available for pre-sale in May, can survive up to 25 washes. << planned obsolescence, now for pants!
BingoBoingo: lol
punkman: you know there are clothes that can survive 0 washes
assbot: ... ( )
punkman:<< these would be fun for "industrial-strength node", at least after some parallelizing
assbot: 500 - Internal server error. ... ( )
assbot: MikroTik&nbspCCR1009-8G-1S-PC - Cloud Core Router w/ 9 core Passive Cool ... ( )
assbot: OnCare LiftSeat - Powered Toilet Lift - OnCare ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158150 @ 0.00055619 = 87.9614 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: "The OnCare™ LiftSeat® Powered Toilet Lift™ features LiftTek™ core assistive technology" "patent-pending drop-in commode bucket"
punkman: pretty cool
assbot: Dolphin Fluid Immersion Simulation - Therapeutic Bed & Mattress - OnCare ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00055672 = 13.751 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00055903 = 24.4017 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Hello TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: oh hi there
BingoBoingo: How have you been?
TheNewDeal: so so, how bout you?
BingoBoingo: Not to bad
BingoBoingo: *too
BingoBoingo: They still out to get you?
deedbot-: [Qntra] FBI Begins Negotiations With Oregon Liberators -
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00055672 = 17.3975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00055704 = 20.8054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00055751 = 27.6525 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: << yeah well, that's sheer insanity. i wouldn't.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 04:16:03; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my objection was to the notion of reading 600kB patches of spaces-to-tabs-every-line
mircea_popescu: my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ?
mircea_popescu: and also, since we're taking out memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); in favour of, from what i understand, unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; are these actually and in fact equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: especially after hanging out here i trust c++ about as much as php with these sorts of things
mircea_popescu: the wisdom seems to be that "don't fucking memcpy by hand, the compiler inlines (or even register-moves) most assignments itself and unlike you it fucking knows when to do it", but hey.
mircea_popescu: i can't help myself but suspect there may have been a good reason for the weird, even given the immense piles of pointless insanity scattered throughout the code.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00055695 = 12.0301 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: << did cosmo kramer (ex ceo, kramerica industries) end up hired as vp for fluentization and finally got to push through his pet project of homeless-driven rickshaws in new york or something ?
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 07:54:42; punkman:
mircea_popescu: "If there is someone at this point who can look at Jace's insane rambling during this event and take it as a credible threat to Brianna Wu's life, they are either willfully misconstruing the facts or being intentionally alarmist to the point of complete credibility loss. " mno. they are being obtuse to the point of well adjusted, functioning ustard. how the fuck else does anything work in that country ? look at a dumb
mircea_popescu: lazy kid and write down "student", look at a weirdo babbling and write down "threat report", the whole meta-state survives out of categorical confusion of this sort.
mircea_popescu: "The number of video views rose to almost 40,000 within a day" << sigh. this is notable in what fucking alt-world ? i remember the earlier days of "omaigerd teh interwebs matter" when the numbers destined to impress the reader were in the millions. by now it's as if "consensus" has been achieved around the proposition that such a statement is impressive period, and the number's irrelevant. 40k people viewed every singl
mircea_popescu: e fucking concrete support in every town that has a subway that same day. what of it!
mircea_popescu: "On GamerGhazi, comments explaining that Jace was little more than an elaborate hoax were deleted, because they did not fit Wu's harassment narrative." <doh.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.44000000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 -
mircea_popescu: << actually i'd say this is his best one yet. slowly a sort of milleresque dickensian balzac may emerge out of that fellow.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 08:01:50; BingoBoingo:
mircea_popescu: but in any case the improvement over time is marked.
mircea_popescu: Steevo moaned, “I can’t even afford a pizza for the wife and kid on Friday night << the depth of the fucking disconnect. i wouldn't even eat what he calls pizza, if it were free. in fact i'd have serious compunction giving it to some begging dude.
mircea_popescu: there must be some exaggeration involved, somewhere.
mircea_popescu: but, in other news,
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58350 @ 0.00056236 = 32.8137 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: lisp OS vaporware
assbot: The 3L Project ... ( )
mircea_popescu: in other news : the title for stealing the highest traffic website doesn't go to the derps you'd expect, but to the russkis equivalent.
assbot: Jehovah’s Witnesses—Official Website: ... ( )
punkman: huh?
mircea_popescu: dig
mircea_popescu: ;; ANSWER SECTION: 3471 IN A
gribble: Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00056678 = 12.4692 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: also known as the creepy people that stalk you in city subway terminals hawking magazines.
mircea_popescu: aha. apparently verboten in russia.
shinohai: Does that apply to all proselytizing though?
mircea_popescu: i'm sure if they could.
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: supposedly 4chan accepts bitcoin payments.... except when you go to pay them, they take paypal and the ccs. what sorta bs is this, are these people living in 2011 or somesuch ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13836 @ 0.00056535 = 7.8222 BTC [-]
assbot: Biotech scientists now raising human–animal chimeras on U.S. farms ... ( )
mircea_popescu: this has been going on for decades now.
mircea_popescu: lots of bunnies grew ears on their back etc
mircea_popescu: also someone tell that hostgator is stealing their 404s
PeterL: Biotech scientists now raising human–animal chimeras on U.S. farms ... << wasn't there already a thread about sheepfucking?
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: So Victoria from changetip in her youth:
mod6: morning!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? << Not very "warm and fuzzy" on the openssl trust factor either. Would some tests or debugging help around this part?
mircea_popescu: the problem with tests is that you can't test for something not happening.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00056372 = 24.7473 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: << these were not chimeras ! but immunocompromised beasts
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 14:57:50; mircea_popescu: lots of bunnies grew ears on their back etc
mircea_popescu: yawell.
ascii_butugychag: in exactly the same sense that man who eats chicken is not a man-chicken chimera.
ascii_butugychag: << how could this possibly be true ?
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 12:42:36; mircea_popescu: and also, since we're taking out memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); in favour of, from what i understand, unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; are these actually and in fact equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
ascii_butugychag: these statements don't even refer to the same destination
ascii_butugychag: am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: mmm nah just me being sloppy
ascii_butugychag: hm ok
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); << so this takes nsize bytes from pchsig and copies them over where vchsig lies.
ascii_butugychag: << this kind of sad is well-known from the 'hired welfare fella and now he's poorer' thing
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 07:54:42; punkman:
mircea_popescu: unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; << this takes the pointer pos and points it to what vchsig is
mircea_popescu: right ?
ascii_butugychag: can just say vchSig
mircea_popescu: so i wasn't being sloppy.
mircea_popescu: my question is : are these two in fact equivalent. because we can end up with surprises in this sort of change.
ascii_butugychag: which is the other ?
ascii_butugychag: (other side of the equivalence)
mircea_popescu: dawg.... and
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 15:49:10; mircea_popescu: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); << so this takes nsize bytes from pchsig and copies them over where vchsig lies.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 15:49:34; mircea_popescu: unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; << this takes the pointer pos and points it to what vchsig is
mircea_popescu: c++ is fucking impossible to follow.
ascii_butugychag: both statements are correct
ascii_butugychag: but they are not equivalent
mircea_popescu: ok but aren't they intended to be functionally equivalent by the patch ?
ascii_butugychag goes to read the patch
mircea_popescu: is what i'm working on atm
assbot: ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: aha already found it
ascii_butugychag: these are only marginally easier to read than to write...
ascii_butugychag: (which is why i normally like to write'em)
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear from people who'd know, tis a common affliction.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the bit is in the horse's mouth : trb will be more read than wrot.
ascii_butugychag notices that boss is mysteriously missing
ascii_butugychag: perhaps he did not want to get marooned in this tower.
ascii_butugychag: (there is supposed to be a snow fall tonight in this part of the world, train stations will close, etc)
mircea_popescu: someone should someday write the anthropological study about the impact of katrina in the media. it's when derping pointlessly about the weather went from ridiculous to social expectation.
kakobrekla: since when do trains stop working if its snowing?
ascii_butugychag: i would have ignored it but there was much noise about preemptive closing of the trains
ascii_butugychag: which is a new thing
ascii_butugychag: lived here since '92 and it never happened.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla since the infrastructure hasn'\t been maintained in 30 years.
ascii_butugychag: also they sent usg home
ascii_butugychag: even white house apparently skeleton-crewed
ascii_butugychag: (no word on whether obamitler is buttoned up inside or went off to the tropics)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the other best korea,
assbot: Crazy Russian Snow Plowing - Train Snow Plowing - YouTube ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: i suspect that usa isn't ~long~ enough to feature this scene
ascii_butugychag: (you need not only snow but rails that aren't traversed regularly)
mircea_popescu: a proper snowstorm can drop ten feet overnight.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: shouldn't you be at home. you don't want to get stranded in the uranium mines.
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: nobody cancelled the uranium mines.
PeterL: what does DC get, like a half an inch at a time and they shut down? Up north here we don't blink at a foot of snow.
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: normally. result is that the place is grossly underequipped for anything like reasonable snow, and traffic grinds to a halt
ascii_butugychag: when there actually is some
ascii_butugychag: (which happens every coupla years)
PeterL: y'all are a bunch of pansies, afraid of a bit of snow
thestringpuller: PeterL: You guys have more than 1 snowplow for the whole state.
thestringpuller: PeterL: your roads are also the worst thing to drive on ever.
punkman: pretty cool
assbot: Rotary Snow Plow - YouTube ... ( )
PeterL: just don't drink the water if you are driving through Flint
ascii_butugychag: doesn't help that d.c. roads are packed to 110% even without any snow or rain etc
ascii_butugychag: as for why they'd close the trains, i cannot say except that the latter are in a historic state of disrepair.
ascii_butugychag: every day one gets stuck, rails crack, various joys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41798 @ 0.00055672 = 23.2698 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_butugychag: and dc metro dept. pulls interesting tricks - retains ~half the staff actually needed so that the remaining can work mandatory overtime and earn ~200K-usd
mircea_popescu: PeterL> y'all are a bunch of pansies, afraid of a bit of snow << ho i knew took a (well earned) vacation to morocco in the middle of the carpathian winter once. her fondest memory was that there was a tiny bit of snow just as she got ou of the bus, and everyone in sight was on their ass. "they have no idea how to walk on snow, the africans!"
mircea_popescu: !up terminal
PeterL: is that terminal as in cancer or terminal as in computer, or as in train station?
terminal: good question
thestringpuller: Grand Central Terminal is the train station
thestringpuller: Grand Central Station is the post office
terminal: it's cool and ambiguous
terminal: who knows
PeterL: ah, but who are you?
terminal: I'm a guy who's thinking about buying a significant amount of ETH
thestringpuller: Why?
thestringpuller: Guaranteed loss.
mircea_popescu: wow check it out, the things that exist.
shinohai: O.o
PeterL: << Later I realized why I missed the isomer joke: L is isomer of D, R is isomer of S, not quite interchangeable
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 13:40:52; *: adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 13:41:39; mircea_popescu: lol no idea ? your isomer ?
terminal: Why a guaranteed loss?
thestringpuller: PeterL: you're a chemist right?
PeterL: yeah
mircea_popescu: PeterL hey, best humour is sloppy!
terminal: I'm a software developer who is interested in the ecosystem, I see a lot of practicality in ethereum. Mostly I'm just looking for longterm gains
mircea_popescu: terminal well, get in the wot and let us know how your trade went as far as long term gains.
terminal: wot?
terminal: Why the negative sentiment about ethereum here?
mircea_popescu: !s ethereum
assbot: 529 results for 'ethereum' :
mircea_popescu: can start reading teh logs.
punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth
mircea_popescu: hehehe
shinohai: kek
terminal: Thanks for that mircea
punkman: hey ETH's back to 0.00387
mircea_popescu: !up sergiohlb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056678 = 15.133 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: punkman: so the suckers took the bait...
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianG
AdrianG: thx.
AdrianG: ethereum could have short-term momentum due to investors interest, its far more preferable to mention it in corporate pitches vs bitcoin.
thestringpuller: that's because investors seem to be borderline scandalous these days.
PeterL: obligatory
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
thestringpuller: Bitcoin isn't yieling what they have come to expect, so lets through fiat at Ehtereum and see what happens.
AdrianG: terminal: scandalous how?
mircea_popescu: AdrianG if what you aim is to make money out of the vc circus, you're very much in the wrong spot.
thestringpuller: ;;google the problem of too much money
gribble: The problem of too much money on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <>; Money, fucking and lying on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>; Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema ...: < (1 more message)
thestringpuller: AdrianG: ^-obligatory
mircea_popescu: like every fashion-driven scam, gotta keep ahead of the wavefront, not sit behind.
AdrianG: i remember at the peak of btc 2013 heights, litecoin was something around 11% of the btc marketcap
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: guess that's how TaT made bank on the ASICMINER scam.
AdrianG: some spillover is inevitable
mircea_popescu: heh, the usg can't afford to throw away half a bil just for this.
mircea_popescu: some spillover, sure.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: if you are trying to extract fiat profits from Bitcoin, you've got some learnin' to do.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: as for bitcoin not doing what investors expect, ethereum can be shoehorned into their needs much more easily
mircea_popescu: certainly.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: and this is good thing because?
mircea_popescu: the only problem with their "needs" is that their needs are a certain path to their own doom.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: good is subjective. its just a perception.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: there is sanity and insanity. You don't try to run a business with insanit expecting it to function.
thestringpuller: Most Bitcoin VC cirus shows are like watching a very long episode of the Profit without Marcus Lemonis.
AdrianG: why is using something like ethereum insanity?
thestringpuller: because Buterin has a big head.
mircea_popescu: what's your idea of "using" ?
AdrianG: thestringpuller: he's just very skinny
thestringpuller: They said that about Dib from Invader Zim and he obviously didn't amount to much.
thestringpuller: Just the insane musings of a derp with too big of a head.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: i think a programmable ledger has legitimate uses. unfortunately for ethereum holders, those ledgers are going to be private and inaccessible from outside.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why you think this is a use.
AdrianG: that it has uses?
mircea_popescu: the comet W52C2 also "has legitimate uses".
mircea_popescu: who's using it ?
AdrianG: banks are drowning in legacy code. anything that helps them to move away from it is useful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00056679 = 10.8257 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is a very naive view.
AdrianG: even as just an experiment, really.
mircea_popescu: an unhappily married woman is drowning in sorrow
mircea_popescu: any cock rubbing on her is useful ?
mircea_popescu: what are we, 15 ?
mircea_popescu: malformed, dysfunctional, self-contradictory, defeated propositions aren't better than the currently chosen broken one. the broken one hasn't been chosen on technical merit.
AdrianG: what makes you so certain it has no uses whatsoever?
mircea_popescu: this is exactly why all the "oh, bitcoin needs x" "oh, bitcoin must or else Y will" bla bla is meaningless.
AdrianG: thats a very broad view
mircea_popescu: i like broads.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: you're failing to realize how terminal the system is right now.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: i never argued against that.
mircea_popescu: take your window, on the presumption that you are currently located in a room with one. this window of yours COULD be used as a door, to a larger degree than ethereum could be used to anything.
mircea_popescu: neveretheless... have you used it as a door ? will you ?
thestringpuller: AdrianG: Yes but you are arguing for trying to teach a sickly man to learn how to dunk a basketball.
AdrianG: why do you guys only speak in strawmen?
mircea_popescu: o.O
thestringpuller: Just because with cybernetics "he could" but should he?
mircea_popescu: illustrate this!
AdrianG: cryptographically signed txn ledger will simplify parts of audits
mircea_popescu: o noes they terminated terminal! YOU BASTIDS
mircea_popescu: AdrianG how does this make the window a strawman ?
AdrianG: they can just basically automate a lot of regulatory compliance and cut out humans
mircea_popescu: of course, the other way to automate regulatory bs is to ignore it until it goes away.
thestringpuller: ^-this
mircea_popescu: seems much cheaper.
PeterL: <AdrianG> cryptographically signed txn ledger will simplify parts of audits << why do they need etherum for this? just sign bits of the normal ledger as they are made, why do you need to involve cryptocurrency?
AdrianG: PeterL: it would have nothing to do with cryptocurrency ofc.
AdrianG: ethereum as a cryptocurrency itself is probably useless.
thestringpuller: PeterL: better yet
AdrianG: PeterL: it would be just a private instance, or a federated peg at best.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: so...
AdrianG: and signing the normal ledger, is just a small part, programmability gives you a lot more flexibility to code business logic in.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: how does this not differ from: "it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other."
thestringpuller: Buterin's view of how a contract works is highly skewed.
AdrianG: thestringpuller: it differs in that an implementation already exists.
thestringpuller: except ethereum assumes all individuals in a contract act as machines. Better yet why not make them all machines!
mircea_popescu: AdrianG implementation is not per se valuable, for the sad reason that it is much cheaper to write code than to read it.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: people tend to re-use existing stuff.
mircea_popescu: anyone in business will prefer to write de novo rather than audit the dubious code of the crowd of idiot kids gathered around that buteriun dude.
mircea_popescu: NOBODY reuses anything. this has not happened yet.
mircea_popescu: it's a delusion, born fundamentally out of a lack of business experience.
AdrianG: banks' software depends on thousands of libraries written by random hobos
AdrianG: it wouldnt be anything new
mircea_popescu: i guess by this argument we shall invest in hobos.
thestringpuller: AdrianG: actually it's mostly a lot of java/vb code written by indian d00ds.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he's technically correct, they just stole it and delivered it, but anyway.
thestringpuller: aha
thestringpuller: i've invested in hobos. not really an investment as much as charity.
thestringpuller: it's also better to pay them in 40s than actual money
AdrianG: thestringpuller: sure, random indian d00ds
AdrianG: its not qualitatively different from code written by random hobos
mircea_popescu: well, so get in the wot, look into v and be happy.
mircea_popescu: better investment than chasing cephaloids' dubious fortunes at mit.
PeterL: does trb debug.log grow infinitely?
AdrianG: look into v?
punkman: PeterL: it compacts on startup iirc
PeterL: so should I do something to it while it is running?
mircea_popescu: !v ascii_butugychag
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
punkman: PeterL: I guess you could rotate the log
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: AdrianG
assbot: The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i've been wondering, what the nazi variant of 'v' might look like
mircea_popescu: more links in thar.
ascii_butugychag: or does it even make sense to suppose that usg uses anything of the kind
punkman: probably involves smartcards?
ascii_butugychag: they have a bastardized pgp, for instance
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag ever met a govt employee that welcomed accountability ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: no, but i've met hordes who just ~loved~ faux-accountability
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: so what would the paper car look like ?
mircea_popescu: well... as much as a car without combustion as possible.
jurov: they do try at NASA, but they do it in meritocracy way
mircea_popescu: didn't nasa get its funding cut for this ?
jurov: i.e. ennumerating mistakes, not people
mircea_popescu: lol, because mistakes, rather than people, are finite. gg.
jurov: dunno about funding, but it's nice example to avoiding accountability
mircea_popescu: i still recall the feynman conundrum. to me it's the archetype for this.
ascii_butugychag: it is not enough, for a classic bureaucrat, to avoid accountability; he has to put in scar tissue that gives the appearance thereof
mircea_popescu: remember ? the o rings ?
trinque: ascii_butugychag: sounds like a centralized CVS/SVN repo where sigs "vote" for what constitutes the master branch
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i think everybody remembers the o-rings
mircea_popescu: trust, but verify!
ascii_butugychag: it was when feynman became a popular cult figure
jurov: oh i meant pirely software development
mircea_popescu: o ?
jurov: no idea about possiblility of signing hardware
mircea_popescu privately bets alfie will mention the three russian stooges thing.
ascii_butugychag: i think i already mentioned them in the logz
mircea_popescu: aok
ascii_butugychag: interestingly, i did some digging,
ascii_butugychag: turns out that the '3' system was possibly saharov's idea
ascii_butugychag: and borrowed by korolev
ascii_butugychag: rather than vice-versa
ascii_butugychag: but i'm probably the last one alive who gives half a shit
mircea_popescu: seeing how the men in question were unfortunate to die befgore the bible.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the future there will be the principal cause of war :
mircea_popescu: different branches in the wot disputing which earlier node to be credited with x.
ascii_butugychag: as in sunni vs shia ?
mircea_popescu: quite, but with crypto verification.
ascii_butugychag: l0lzies
mircea_popescu: !up terminal2
mircea_popescu: terminal2 and for that matteer
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: !help
kakobrekla: help isnt adequate for joining wot really, this is better
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ah kk.
mircea_popescu: can we has !wot ?
kakobrekla: prolly
terminal2: Thanks mircea
PeterL: can we has !wot <nick> where the links get sent from assbot to <nick> instead of dumping in chan?
PeterL: proly want to limit the number of times assbot responds to stop spam vector?
kakobrekla: noobs are often blind to pms
PeterL: oh, nevermind then
mircea_popescu: it doesn't hurt anything being linked in chan anyway.
mircea_popescu: gets indexed better.
mircea_popescu: but if you';re sick of seeing it you should be able to config your client to ignore that line.
terminal2: I've never had a GPG key before lol. I will make one tonight. On ETH: While I don't see a reason for established companies to re-use ethereum - I think you need to account for all the companies nerd kids will create ontop of it - which will grow
terminal2: Migrating a DAO off of ethereum would not be an easy thing to do in most cases
terminal2: It's a very sticky platform
PeterL: all the "companies" will be amazing
terminal2: Only takes a couple of breakout successes to make ETH take off I think
thestringpuller: terminal2: oh like ASICMINER
mircea_popescu: terminal2 by this reasoning you really should invest in toilets.
terminal2: Don't know anything about ASICMINER
mircea_popescu: think of all the growth the kids will create on top of their parent's food!
terminal2: Toilets would have been great to invest in before they were owned by everyone
terminal2: Now everyone has a toilet
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? << Just to touch back on this again - I'd like to see more of this. If you happen to be reading through the code, and there is a question, ask - let's discuss.
thestringpuller: terminal2: ASICMINER actually delivered on their IPO, their stock skyrocketed. However due to insane management that seems to be very common in the mining world, the company imploded.
mod6: And 'you' in the sense of all of us. Not just Mr. P.
mircea_popescu: mod6 kinda what my thinking is.
mod6: I think it's vital that we all gain a good grasp of what the intricacies are in this code - myself included.
thestringpuller: d00d. once you hit block 280k it chugs so slow.
mod6: ya it happens.
thestringpuller: 100k blocks to go ~_~ eta like 1 more week
thestringpuller: and this is a decent PC.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the thing is, that 10`000 we took out - while very sensible to be out and belongs out - could very well had been covering up for say an openssl bug.
mircea_popescu: like it or not this is the level of scrutiny that patches have to face, even if it makes develoipment slow.
thestringpuller: well openssl will eventually need to be excised as well, what to replace it with, I don't know.
mircea_popescu: while cutting out crud we could get away with less poring, but as we add / change / etc it becomes ever more problematic.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wouldn't unit testing coverage prevent some of this from becoming a problem?
ascii_butugychag: no.
mircea_popescu: it will catch all the bugs it catches
mircea_popescu: and not catch all the bugs it doesn't catch.
ascii_butugychag: !s dijkstra testing
assbot: 1 results for 'dijkstra testing' :
mircea_popescu: nono, i prefer my own quote!
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 15:31:49; mircea_popescu: the problem with tests is that you can't test for something not happening.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: so what? like bug that exists that needs to exist?
mircea_popescu: no, like bug whose wot you're not in.
thestringpuller: If you have expected behavior there should be a way to measure if that behavior changes due to something introduced into the system.
thestringpuller: i don't know in practice how "unknown unknowns" affect the system.
ascii_butugychag: there are exactly three mechanisms known for creating correctness:
ascii_butugychag: in order of decreasing idiocy,
ascii_butugychag: 1) fits-in-head. also known popularly as 'knowing precisely wtf you're doing'
ascii_butugychag: 2) mathematical proof
ascii_butugychag: 3) testing.
ascii_butugychag: increasing idiocy.
ascii_butugychag: l0l
trinque: the goddamned deedbot node would not sync no matter what... untli I changed his external IP
ascii_butugychag: trinque: if it's not a seekrit: why does deedbot use a heathen bitcoinatron ?
trinque: because his new trb node is at 152k
trinque: *352k
ascii_butugychag: ah hm
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> like it or not this is the level of scrutiny that patches have to face, even if it makes develoipment slow. << i very much agree with this methodology.
mircea_popescu: trinque i suspect this is what drove alf's ideas of you know, deliberate sabotage against trb nodes.
mircea_popescu: you're not the first to see such wonders.
trinque: I have seen ample evidence to suggest it in deedbot's logz
trinque: in related news, deedbot- will be back when I figure out why it can no longer connect to freenode, having only changed his external IP
ascii_butugychag: here's a riddle. why no straight tcp ddos against any of'em ?
ascii_butugychag: why this wankery.
ascii_butugychag: what, usg botnet only works on trilema ?
ascii_butugychag: i suppose the theory is that we are morons, and will conclude that 'trb is broken, can't sync' ?
trinque: ascii_butugychag: << for example
assbot: ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: that looks like a full relay ?
trinque: ascii_butugychag: was there something else I was supposed to say aside from NICK to get going?
trinque: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: PASS and USER ?
ascii_butugychag: e.g.,
ascii_butugychag: PASS none
ascii_butugychag: NICK luser
ascii_butugychag: USER blah
punkman: terminal2: Now everyone has a toilet << not true, and good chance you'll make more money investing in toilets than ETH
punkman: BB even shared toilet investment opportunity earlier
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 09:03:57; BingoBoingo:
ascii_butugychag: i prefer mircea_popescu's idea
ascii_butugychag: have been thinking about it
ascii_butugychag: it would probably look something like a nagant cylinder turned up
ascii_butugychag: (7-seats variant ?)
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, i suspect you'll find the latest quite very interesting, if you manage to wade through it all.
ascii_butugychag: but really in his harem scenario i'd imagine he would build something more like a horseshoe shape, so the users can face one another
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the grep output ?
mircea_popescu: no, on trilema\
ascii_butugychag reads
thestringpuller: Can we get a graph like this:
thestringpuller: subtract the question mark at the end :(
mircea_popescu: does 0.12 even do any validation anymore ?
thestringpuller: no.
thestringpuller: I want to see where the "churn" is in TRB.
thestringpuller: I might do another sync just to construct a graph.
thestringpuller: the above option wasn't using --verify-all
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: so in that sense, my os copies files a lot faster than that.
mircea_popescu: seriously, 10 hours for 100gb ? what is this, maxtor days ?
trinque: well. I certainly didn't change the configuration to get that to connect.. merely the origin
mircea_popescu: trinque see, problem fixed.
trinque: AWS being the host was certainly a problem.
mircea_popescu: no i meant sarcastically, cus it parted.
trinque: o lol
trinque: he'll be back again shortly
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: that article makes me think of (i entirely forget the source) - approximately - 'every man's life has a time when things were working correctly'
mircea_popescu: heh
thestringpuller: trinque: you found a new host?
mircea_popescu: so you suspect it's me, do you ?
trinque: thestringpuller: yep, though not one I've passed any judgement on yet, other than "is elsewhere"
ascii_butugychag: the observation about 'girl is not annoying because it is a girl' is spot-on
ascii_butugychag: i verified it experimentally at minimal cost
ascii_butugychag: one does not need to be mircea_popescu to test this.
mircea_popescu: thanks god.
ascii_butugychag: reading mircea_popescu's recollections of the '90s porn set feels a little like another one of my predilections, memoirs of su physics/math folk
ascii_butugychag: same feel of 'alas sunken atlantis'
thestringpuller: !s girl is not annoying because
assbot: 0 results for 'girl is not annoying because' :
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: this was re: the latest trilema article
thestringpuller: aha
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone sane was seriously thinking the situation may survive. it was painfully obvious we're riding a self-limiting wave.
mircea_popescu: then again, granted, most of those involved were pretty nuts.
ascii_butugychag: 'gold rush' is always quite similar, no ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the observation about 'camgurlz are a magnet for the attention of subhuman bois' seems unsurprising
mircea_popescu: they drive otherwise "normal" boys into subhumanity.
ascii_butugychag: ... isn't that sorta like 'toilet is a magnet for shit' ? yes, sometimes people plant flowers in one. but speaking as to its purpose.
ascii_butugychag: srsly?
mircea_popescu: this isn't a castigation of them. but the system is a chute down not a chute up.
ascii_butugychag: how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: let's see. suppose a land, fertile but unimproved. to get anything, you have to actually get it.
mircea_popescu: we know this does promote all the industries - people will hunt and make farms, and then need lumber and tv sets.
mircea_popescu: suppose now a desert with small pellet dispensers, where a little food can be had.
mircea_popescu: we know this promotes all the africas - people will sit around and invent ways to insure they don't upset the gods.
ascii_butugychag: ensure?
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: both, really, but myeah.
ascii_butugychag: and farmers do their share of 'must not upset the gods'
mircea_popescu: there is necessarily no ensuring "the gods". just you know, transactional insuring 'em.
ascii_butugychag: because land doesn't actually behave so differently from a food dispenser
mircea_popescu: granted.
mircea_popescu: yet the effects of tiny modulation in environment are indisputably major in the mold that grows out
ascii_butugychag: i'd conjecture that 'africanization' is at its height when the 'food dispenser' ~responds to human buluceala'
ascii_butugychag: ~
mircea_popescu: and here it does.
ascii_butugychag: (it isn't about whether the pellets are small, as in a zoo, or large, as in a harvest season - but that zoo ~answeres prayers~ and rewards wheedling)
mircea_popescu: the size of the pellet is imo the important part.
ascii_butugychag: how so ?
mircea_popescu: consider. the first major invention that "revolutionized" mankind was... agriculture. it reduced the societal bolus from "whole bison, if you get it" to "a fraction of a crop, if you well save it".
mircea_popescu: this reduction similarly took the world from greece to rome, give or take.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.58, Best ask: 382.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 382.6, 24 hour volume: 46720.82048297, 24 hour low: 378.77, 24 hour high: 414.49, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, from sioux to irish.
mircea_popescu: the next one, actual industry, reduced the bolus further (the chinese never developed industry because yes, their goverment had already reduced it to "one bowl of rice")
mircea_popescu: degradation of society generally follows the success of technology in reducing the size of the minimal harvest.
mircea_popescu: which is why we're to expect all sorts of wonders from micropayments ; all of which wonders begin and end with caged ratpeople.
ascii_butugychag: small pellet leads to thinking of next pellet always. as in the professor who described to me how crack is smoked
ascii_butugychag: this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, small pellet makes it LESS important to live.
mircea_popescu: the hunter didn't fear death ; the farmer feared death only, not drudgery ; the factory worker can't even think death, fears drudgery, not anonymity.
mircea_popescu: then finally the "literate" or "white collar" or however you call the despicable postmodern otaku, intellectuals I suppose ? can't even comprehend drudgery, fears anonimity, i can scarcely look down to see what's next.
ascii_butugychag: whaddayamean can't comprehend drudgery
mircea_popescu: just that.
ascii_butugychag: we got drudgery on tap
ascii_butugychag: in every godforsaken cube farm tower
mircea_popescu: anyone bothered by it ?
mircea_popescu: anyone even seem to notice ?
ascii_butugychag: everybody?
mircea_popescu: ha-ha.
ascii_butugychag: why do you suppose just about all of these people kill themselves ?
ascii_butugychag: (usually slowly, with drink etc. but.)
mircea_popescu: i would not presume these people do anything.
mircea_popescu: as the expression goes, "it happened"
mircea_popescu: why does it happen to them that they died ? no one knows, for drudgery can't be thought.
ascii_butugychag: i can readily observe at least a subset of things they choose to do, when i find myself readily able to avoid doing them
ascii_butugychag: ergo they choose to?
mircea_popescu: im not so sure.
ascii_butugychag: for instance, drinking yourself into catatonia every friday is optional
mircea_popescu: to quote, " Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?"
mircea_popescu: what's your model for optionality ?
mircea_popescu: for me and for the waitress, showing up at the restaurant is optional, right ? and so it is for the cat.
ascii_butugychag: for eater - optional
ascii_butugychag: for waitress and cat - perhaps less so ?
mircea_popescu: well, you'll need a model.
mircea_popescu: maybe for cat most of all. how about the beef ?
ascii_butugychag: the beef is not a playing character...
mircea_popescu: but the waitress is ?
mircea_popescu: why, cuz you never fucked a cow ?
ascii_butugychag: is, if only residually
ascii_butugychag: i must admit this glaring omission. i have not.
mircea_popescu: how about a waitress ?
ascii_butugychag: approxim.
mircea_popescu: well then, that explains it :D
ascii_butugychag: but i find a good bit of what these people do to themselves to be readily optional, at least in the sense that eating one's nagant is optional
mircea_popescu: "the beef is not a playing character for not having escaped from its pen ; the waitress is a playing character for not having escaped from its pen." << shall need some more sandbags. why hate the cow, what, if you prick it does it not bleed ?
mircea_popescu: if you poison it, does it not die ?
ascii_butugychag: i've never seen a human woman land by mistake in a cow pen and end up processed for beef
ascii_butugychag: while i have seen thinking people end up waiting tables etc
ascii_butugychag: wasn't it in mircea_popescu's recent article where 'common man must be pumped through a sewer tunnel but oughta have a small escape hatch' ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, as a matter of fact some cows do make it out!
mircea_popescu: << cow cowrdashian
assbot: ... ( )
thestringpuller: "Apollo astronauts called their urine dumps "The Constellation Urion" and said it was very beautiful."
thestringpuller: latest from the gavin-stooge:
trinque: deedbot-:
assbot: ... ( )
thestringpuller: SMTP's limit is 99mn terabytes!!!! Why do we need limit on blocksize guise?!?!?
punkman: cool mil in this block
assbot: Bitcoin Block #394456 ... ( )
trinque: deedbot-:
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: More Air Force drones are crashing than ever as mysterious new problems emerge - The Washington Post ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80150 @ 0.00056996 = 45.6823 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: deedbot-:
assbot: ... ( )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: cool.
trinque: deedbot-:
assbot: ... ( )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: deedbot-: wb.
trinque: deedbot-: !services
trinque: !services
thestringpuller: Ugh. Can Roger Ver just go the fuck away, this prick is more of a douchebag than Weev.
thestringpuller: "I'm against war, but I love selling guns."
mircea_popescu: gavin is not very itnelligent, is he.
thestringpuller: seems evoorhees is no better
thestringpuller: he's basically on reddit wanting Core to become bitcoin politicians
thestringpuller: so now he's gone from being bitcoin businessman to bitcoin politician
thestringpuller: everyone wants to be in office!
BingoBoingo: When we got our snow earier this week I was the only person the on our street civilized enough to shovel his drive way. Now that there's been a few days for it to melt and refreeze neighbors are complaining they can't get into or out of theirs because they've become too slick. Also precious few sidewalks have been shoveled in town.
punkman: !up drnet
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, nordic system looking better and better innit?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Not really
funkenstein_: how else you gonna get around in the winter?
funkenstein_: pin to win
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sucks huh.
BingoBoingo: Usually get around with car in winter, sufficient wild snowplows here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Used to not be this way. Sometime 10-15 years ago the torts think scared people out of taking responsibility for clearing winter weather
mircea_popescu: either that or sheer lazy.
BingoBoingo: The tort justifies the lazy
mircea_popescu recalls enjoying doing it, the one year he ended up seriously snowed upon
BingoBoingo: It's not spectualarly fun, but its a way to be outside in the cold without feeling cold
BingoBoingo: What I don't get though is the people so lazy they won't do their own driveway and end up housebound three days after the last snow falls
BingoBoingo: We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily
mircea_popescu: i got a foot an a half.
mircea_popescu: and then by the time i cleared it, there was a slight melt an d i got a futher two tons off the roof.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the big snows are much more fun. Only been through a couple snows between 18-24 inches.
mircea_popescu: gives you plenty of time to practice jr high maths.
BingoBoingo: Also when done a well earned sense of superiority over other locals who are less accomplished in the clearing
mircea_popescu: true.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37495 @ 0.00056658 = 21.2439 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: and speaking of toilet bowls,
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 856935770.399
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 394516 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 619 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: seems awfully prescient as now Erik seeks to appease all the pinoy spamzors
assbot: The bitchslapping of 2013... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: IMHO, BTC price will be weak until Core demonstrates competency in social consensus. : Bitcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: opinions being like assholes, whether humble or not.
BingoBoingo: "Unlike me, Erik tries to be nice, to everyone, all the time. The downside of his approach is that he is treated like dirt, by everyone. Not every time, but every time it actually matters. (You are invited to review the logs of the #bitcoin-dev channel [cached] and make up your own mind on the subject.) "
BingoBoingo definitely bullish on 2013 flashbacks this year
BingoBoingo waits for flashbacks to
assbot: Strategic superiority - the saga continues on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes i'd avoid all chrysler products (including jeep) like the plague. land cruiser/4runner, tahoe/suburban, and explorer/expedition are all worth considering and all fit the "mega-suv with low tco and reasonable maintenance prospects for an american family" niche. that being said, you'd probably be just as well, if not better, served by the 00-06 escape or 97-02 cr-v, both of which should be quiet
pete_dushenski: easier to park, better on fuel, and have lower tco. whichever way you go, driving them each and finding a used car with known providence (receipts!) are the two most important factors.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: for those at home, tco = true cost to own
BingoBoingo: Ah, yes. J.e.e.p. Just empty every pocket
BingoBoingo: Dodge Magnum though could make interesting baby wagon. Just high risk of being stolen because "urban favorite"
pete_dushenski: magnum r/t for sure. probably less than $10k for a decent one.
pete_dushenski: chrysler has definitely taken the crown of "piece of cobbled together shit that only lasts as long as you're making payments on it", which fiat had through the 80s. fitting that fiat came back to north america in 2012 under chrysler proprietorship, really.
BingoBoingo: Meatspace friend had boring v6 one for a while. Beat it all to hell then "upgraded" to one of the daewoo crossovers rebadged as a chevy.
BingoBoingo: He mentioned not missing the covetous looks he got driving the magnum around the city
pete_dushenski: aha. the lulz of an "american" truck or car being designed and built in the firstest bestest southest korea. truly one of america's most glorious embarrassments.
pete_dushenski: << lel. til.
assbot: Dodge Charger and Challenger among America’s most stolen cars - ... ( )
BingoBoingo: I mean it was understandable when they did it with the Aveo because they wanted a bottom end car to scare people into buying up.
pete_dushenski: the only way i could explain dodge thefts topping the charts is that only poorfags ~report~ thefts, in much the same way as "all the rapes that happen on us campuses are committed by varsity athletes"
pete_dushenski: it's like the most believable pick-up line in the hood : "i'd pick you up at 8, hun, but my charger srt8 got stolen last week and i'm still trying to track down the basterds who dun it."
pete_dushenski: maybe this works ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: the only problem with that aveo theory is that... it was better than the cobalt.
pete_dushenski: or at least just as terrible
pete_dushenski: for 5k less
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: A lot of the charger/etc thefts are from rental agencies
BingoBoingo: The aveo and cobalt were different kinds of terrible
asciilifeform: << wtf is that
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:10:19; mircea_popescu: and speaking of toilet bowls,
pete_dushenski: breakfast wut
asciilifeform: i mean, what substance
pete_dushenski: sugarpops
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The cobalt was basically a cavalier refresh which was a familiar, dependable kind of shitty. The aveo was an alien kind of suck.
asciilifeform: << i never understood this idea - what is wrong with a normal passenger car ? you can fit even 2x as many children as adults in it
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:29:45; BingoBoingo: Dodge Magnum though could make interesting baby wagon. Just high risk of being stolen because "urban favorite"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: and you'd be amazed how many buyers preferred the alien. i sold 10x aveos as cobalts in my day.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Magnum is a good old fashioned station wagon.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're not progressive enough to get it
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You also are Canadian. Locally cobalts are common. Aveos are what Chinese restaurant workers drive.
ben_vulpes: thank you pete_dushenski!
asciilifeform: i see this idea, colleagues had children, 'must buy gigantic truck!1111'
asciilifeform: but... why?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i thought 'progressive' enviro-whinerism would demand a ~smaller~ car
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Crash resistance. Truck is only way to get body on frame construction. Also favorable height differential in crash.
asciilifeform: << who the everliving fuck ~doesn't~ report the theft? 'oh i don't need the insurance money, just keep it' ?
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:39:10; pete_dushenski: the only way i could explain dodge thefts topping the charts is that only poorfags ~report~ thefts, in much the same way as "all the rapes that happen on us campuses are committed by varsity athletes"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: avec plaisir :D
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not only are you not a progressive now, but you've clearly never been one either. while it's true that some fall into the 'prius/tesla' camp, others fall into the 'i'd never drive a sedan or wagon because that's what my parents did and that's old-fashioned and/or otherwise bad mkay' camp
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: as to thefts, the point of the rape parallel is that the act (of ownership or sex) never actually happened.
asciilifeform: i dun get it, ~somebody~ had title to the wheeled coffin
asciilifeform: so what does this mean, 'ownership never happened'
asciilifeform: it was on the lot? the dealer (or bank, etc) owned.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: as BingoBoingo points out, that most of the 'thefts' happened on rental lots indicates exactly this. namely, fraud.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No. Thefts are rentals that just don't get returned. Talked to a couple people who did the scary work of "rental car recovery"
pete_dushenski: or car "disappeared" from and ended up at employee's step-brother's house, "somehow"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i guess there's that too eh
asciilifeform: l0l
jurov: rental agencies don't report that?
asciilifeform: it is interesting that a zimbabwe would even get to have such a thing as car rental lots.
jurov: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: What typically was the worst case was car renter took car to region under "sovereign flag" like certain areas of North St Louis that precluded recovery when lojack revealed the car to be there.
pete_dushenski: jurov: sure they do, possibly even over-report.
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have experience with North Star Micro Electronics?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Apparently at that point recovery efforts became limited to driving by to verify the car was there and making it insurance company's problem
gabriel_laddel: I found 20 XC6216-2HQ240Cs
gabriel_laddel: Very reasonably priced too.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: gonna build own dragonflytron?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: bwahaha. "how much does your enemy need to pay you for you to answer the call in his time of need ?"... indeed. why shouldn't "recovery" guys be on the same side as "thieves" ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: We shall see. I would like to put 8 of them in your hands. S.NSA needs a R&D project.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: got six or so 'r&d project' depending on how you count.
gabriel_laddel: Though I'd need to see some designs first..
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: this one's yours.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: try something easy at first, e.g., evolve a bit-counter
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not necessarily on side of theives. Company just did not want life insurance premiums to bankrupt them so placed sane limits on what could be recovered from where.
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ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: know anything about the honda passport model?
pete_dushenski: that it's korean
pete_dushenski: also not sold in canada afaik
ben_vulpes: what does 'korean' mean for build quality and lifetime?
pete_dushenski: very, very bad things.
pete_dushenski: there's a good reason you don't see many 15-20 year old hyundais on the road
ben_vulpes: hm.
asciilifeform: i question that any wheelbox sold now will be on the road in 20 years, even if the road is still there then
ben_vulpes: all the good cars have miserable lines.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'sold now' is not under consideration.
pete_dushenski: korean shitboxes tend to rattle and groan like very poorly maintained vacuum cleaners at 15-20 years of age and find themselves in the scrap yard as a result
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Gas is cheap. Just get a Ford Excursion and be done with it.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: honda pilot > passenger
BingoBoingo: Just imagine how much bandwidth it would have when full of tapes!
assbot: 2003 Honda Pilot LX 4WD ... ( )
pete_dushenski: " Will trow set of massa 23inch wheels if pay full price." <<< !!!
pete_dushenski: hear that ? he'll "trow" in some spangly dubs tooo !!
pete_dushenski: bbias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00056372 = 53.7789 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: This looks easy on the HODL
assbot: 2003 Suburban Z71 ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.00056398 = 28.0016 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i grew up in a suburban
ben_vulpes: great vans
asciilifeform: living in it?!!
ben_vulpes: certainly felt like it, driving across town to school and back every day.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bigger than some apartments
BingoBoingo: Can roll the window down and jsut drop a turd on the highway
mod6: my specialty
mod6: '-has a couple songs in the rear bumper' wat?
BingoBoingo: mod6: How can one not want to investigate that mystery?
mod6: right?
BingoBoingo: There's prolly also got to be aftermarket plate armour kits for the thing
assbot: ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
assbot: Ruston's Guide to Spotting and Avoiding Fatfishing | fatpeoplehate ... ( )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is a 'bingo wing' ?
asciilifeform: (mentioned in link)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Arm fat, usually associated with older ladies that frequent Bingo halls. Now Obesity is prevalent enough the young and under exercised frequently have them. The arm fat in a bingo wing typically "flaps" when moving hence "wing"
asciilifeform: ugh.
asciilifeform: for some reason my first thought was the old viking punishment, 'making the bloody eagle'
BingoBoingo: Ah, not yet.
asciilifeform: (evisceration from behind, lungs would flap out the back like wings)
BingoBoingo: Can then hang as trophy like "angel"
mircea_popescu: << he likes to shop for shelf stable stuff at sam's club, once or twice a quarter. needs the space.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:45:32; asciilifeform: << i never understood this idea - what is wrong with a normal passenger car ? you can fit even 2x as many children as adults in it
mircea_popescu: << not everyone's insured. these are old cars, worth relatively little.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:48:51; asciilifeform: << who the everliving fuck ~doesn't~ report the theft? 'oh i don't need the insurance money, just keep it' ?
asciilifeform: i do similar, with normal car
asciilifeform: the extra space of all but the most gigantic 'suv' is largely illusory
BingoBoingo: But in the most gigantic, overwhelming space
asciilifeform: in garbage truck, yet moar space!11
BingoBoingo: ^
mircea_popescu: << iirc, recycler.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 21:56:13; gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have experience with North Star Micro Electronics?
asciilifeform: (anyone ever throw a party in a converted garbage truck? and then see if guests piss themselves when you show that the hydraulics STILL work ??)
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: Will have to remember that if relapse
asciilifeform: i still think 'babywagon' is a constructed meme, like the diamond ring idiocy
BingoBoingo: Well. might actually make sense when children get to school if personally delivering them. May deter other parent's driving aggression if their baby wagon is insuffiecient to take yours in a fight for space.
BingoBoingo: Could also be a reflection of how many 'Muricans go planetary after birth requiring truck suspensions to hold their ass.
pete_dushenski: << ok i lollered
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 22:31:22; BingoBoingo:
asciilifeform: << obligatory ancient uncle al: 'i sat down the angel on top of the christmas tree... i think... she ~liked~ it!!11'
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 22:40:27; BingoBoingo: Can then hang as trophy like "angel"
pete_dushenski: "Of the 269 Predators purchased by the Air Force since then, about half have been destroyed or badly damaged in accidents, records show." <--> "The Predator has been our most effective weapon in our campaign against the global jihadists,” said Michael G. Vickers, the Pentagon’s former top civilian intelligence official"
asciilifeform: what, one wonders, are the stats for other flying machines ?
pete_dushenski: when your ~most effective~ weapon costs you more to build, maintain, and operate than it causes in damage to your enemies, you're deeply defeated.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: actually these are cheap, esp. in that when they explode, nobody's widow gets a pension
pete_dushenski: not so. a pension is just a promise, a predator costs money today, in today's dollars
asciilifeform: about what a truck costs
pete_dushenski: widow from vietnam can have 350/mo forever, can't afford cauliflower
pete_dushenski: $4 mn for a truck ??
asciilifeform: quite possibly. (truck delivered to afghan)
pete_dushenski: see freight costs atm. here to shanghai for the cost of the containers.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you would be surprised to learn what seemingly pedestrian items cost when purchased on usg dime
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: shanghai is a 'special' place.
pete_dushenski: "In March, the Air Force’s program manager for its Reaper fleet filed a report with the Pentagon noting that there had been “a dramatic increase” in starter-generator failures since 2013." <--> "General Atomics spokeswoman Kimberly Kasitz said the firm “stands behind the proven reliability” of the Reaper."
pete_dushenski: this shit's just too lulzy. honestly.
pete_dushenski: i greater display of circuitous wankery one could scarcely imagine.
asciilifeform: l0l perhaps they're using the starters of the same make as in my old 'subaru'.
pete_dushenski: takata ? famous for poor airbags.
asciilifeform: incidentally, what happens to that thing if the starter croaks? how many hours of battery for guidance system
pete_dushenski: "“Once the battery’s gone, the airplane goes stupid and you lose it,” said Col. Brandon Baker, chief of the Air Force’s remotely piloted aircraft capabilities division. “Quite frankly, we don’t have the root cause ironed out just yet.”"
pete_dushenski: ^
asciilifeform: l0lzy
pete_dushenski: also, "The Reaper carries an emergency battery backup system. But the batteries last only for about one hour. If a malfunctioning drone needs more time than that to reach an airfield, it is in trouble."
pete_dushenski: this shit's better than usgavin, i swear
asciilifeform: i'ma guess these are built without redundant tandems
asciilifeform: (unlike manned machine)
asciilifeform: ~deliberately~.
asciilifeform: they are seen as inventory, to be churned
asciilifeform: like rockets.
pete_dushenski: just imagine the conversation at lizard hitler hq : "sir, we have reports that the bitcoin xtcoreclassic team isn't providing adequate lulz to our enemies at #b-a. we've expended all the resources we had at our disposal and it still isn't enough. they're indefatigable sir!" "send in... the drones. it might not be a perfect plan, but it's all we have right now. at the very least, it'll buy us some time." "right away,
pete_dushenski: lizardliness!"
asciilifeform: recall also that 'predator' et al are not aerial combat machines, but roasting-defenceless-people machines
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: by design.
asciilifeform: they are not built to survive so much as one bullet.
pete_dushenski: relevant :*u0cOcOtNDobvT8ZsWzfzXA.png
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: much like everything else usg
mircea_popescu: "works fine if you roll over"
asciilifeform: incidentally 'predator' is a very slow machine, a toy chopper could quite likely catch up with it
asciilifeform: quite odd that nobody has yet (afaik) demonstrated this.
asciilifeform: the payload could be as humble as one shotgun round.
pete_dushenski: in lab, no, but the results would seem to support your theory, particularly as heathens with slingshots seem to be picking them off like flies buzzing around yesterday's leftovers
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what makes you think that the heathens have picked them off ?
asciilifeform: the most likely scenario is takeoff/landing 'oopses'
asciilifeform: as with ordinary planes.
pete_dushenski: wait, really ? you think ~half~ of their fleet "had accidents" ?
asciilifeform: aha.
pete_dushenski: like they're some kind of total ceo ?
asciilifeform: recall also the other kind of usgistic accident, as with the car rental lots,
asciilifeform: 'i want a new one. let's oops this'
pete_dushenski: i'm not persuaded that the front-line gameboyers think that there's an unlimited supply of these machines.
asciilifeform: sorta like a fella i once knew who had a 'new computer if this one dies' warranty, and had a handy electrostatic wand'o'death he built for new-computer-gettin'
pete_dushenski: what if you break xbox... and it was last one ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol.
asciilifeform: what if you break yer paycheque and it were the last one...
asciilifeform: nobody thinks this.
pete_dushenski wasn't raised by wolves, can't confirm
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asciilifeform: !up polarbeard
polarbeard: hi
asciilifeform: who might you be, polarbeard ?
mircea_popescu: ello
polarbeard: I don't know if you'll find this interesting or horrible :)
polarbeard: but I'll share anyway
mircea_popescu: << i went to a bingo hall for the first time in my life recently. made it for like half an hour. mostly in dazed bewilderment that people actually DO this.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 22:37:55; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Arm fat, usually associated with older ladies that frequent Bingo halls. Now Obesity is prevalent enough the young and under exercised frequently have them. The arm fat in a bingo wing typically "flaps" when moving hence "wing"
polarbeard: I've been toying with trb's building scripts, and I've managed to do a whole build, including sig verification and pressing by generating a makefile
mircea_popescu: for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches.
polarbeard: look here:
assbot: Makefile · GitHub ... ( )
mircea_popescu: apparently someone does this voluntarily! i expect to see prison camps next!
polarbeard: the makefile there is generated from the script on top
mircea_popescu: polarbeard good for you. now get in the wot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no more astonishing than the fact that folks played, e.g., 'everquest', voluntarily
polarbeard: I'm there
mircea_popescu: at least that's with graphics
mircea_popescu: !rate polarbeard 1 Managed a V press.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
polarbeard: but unrated
polarbeard: thx
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.polarbeard.1:8a5bdee1eb6f2d33a59c6a5c2f83bc35d2934888e7e09fc6c99cbe2480d8c241
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for polarbeard with note: Managed a V press.
polarbeard: I'll stay around
asciilifeform: polarbeard: how did you come upon your interest in trb ?
polarbeard: we have similar interests, for what I read in the public log
polarbeard: and is nice that you cleaned it up
mircea_popescu: actually that's a neat little script. what dja think trinque mod6 ?
trinque: polarbeard: I posted some makefiles to the ML recently. How does what you've done here compare to it?
mircea_popescu: similar, maybe shorter.
polarbeard: trinque: I used your makefiles to build the script actually, you sped up the process :)
polarbeard: this script generates a single makefile to verify, press and build, without using v
mircea_popescu: to look at that press enum... shit you people've been busy.
trinque: polarbeard: cool man. I'll read it in detail later this evening.
asciilifeform: press enum ?
polarbeard: thanks! is still under heavy testing, but it works
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he included a test suite, and a list of its outputs, which is impressive.
mircea_popescu: see L 170>
asciilifeform: neato except for the 32bit key fps
asciilifeform: those need fixin'
asciilifeform: (ln. 186-7)
polarbeard: oh, yep
polarbeard: those will not be imported if you already have them
polarbeard: but right
asciilifeform: polarbeard: in case you did not know, you can browse the almost-current trb using www browser,
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/ ... ( )
asciilifeform: very helpful for wrapping one's head around.
polarbeard: asciilifeform: bookmarked, thx
asciilifeform: likewise mod6's chart:
assbot: VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ it is mechanically generated but not yet in real time
asciilifeform: polarbeard: you can click on the patches and see exactly what has changed.
polarbeard: neat
mircea_popescu: so why would we find this horrible ?
polarbeard: because you built v in first place
mircea_popescu: well yes but for this reason afaiu.
polarbeard: yep, this is quite experimental anyway, I don't know make's limits
polarbeard: maybe if you feed it too much targets i'll die
polarbeard: *it
jurov: lol
mircea_popescu: that'd be a sight.
jurov: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
asciilifeform: polarbeard: what do the 'hunks' do ?
mircea_popescu: "make has a 100000 targets limit written into the code"
polarbeard: after verifying, patches are split into hunks
polarbeard: so make can resolve them
mircea_popescu: uh
asciilifeform: why?
mircea_popescu: look at that, it's like we're back to .rar torrents.
polarbeard: why split or why make has to resolve them?
asciilifeform: why the latter
asciilifeform: v is guaranteed to apply all vpatches in the correct order.
polarbeard: there is no v
mircea_popescu: << the definition of "effective" under which he operates is both peculiar and self-defeating. he wants to get something (in this case, anything, whatsoever) for nothing (in this case, no casualties, the one thing usg can't afford is coffins). so in that sense, his insanity is sensible.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:35; pete_dushenski: when your ~most effective~ weapon costs you more to build, maintain, and operate than it causes in damage to your enemies, you're deeply defeated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he wrote a makefile maker
polarbeard: it helps with parallelization but there was another reason I forgot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can see this
mircea_popescu: so technically it doesn't need the v once the output has been generated.
asciilifeform: i actually considered implementing v this way, and decided against it
mircea_popescu: yes but all possibility space WILL be explored.
asciilifeform: you lose a good bit of important side functionality, and become dependent on a gigantic gnuturd
asciilifeform: (it is bad enough that we rely on gnu diff)
mircea_popescu: well, he wants to find out if he can crash make.
polarbeard: true, it's just an experiment
polarbeard: you get a signable build process though
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: right :)
asciilifeform: signable?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, as per github tradition. if you trust your computer and v implementation, you can sign the output.
asciilifeform: i suppose if a megatonne of hardcoded hashes can be called 'build process'...
mircea_popescu: how do you thinkg everything else that's signed out there is signed ?
mircea_popescu: and rly i should say "As per git tradition"
mircea_popescu: debian was never anything else, etc.
asciilifeform: i'm still not certain why the patches had to be broken down into patchons
polarbeard: its just intermediary state though
mircea_popescu: ;;google pat & patachon
gribble: Pat & Patachon by Thomas Staedeli: <>; Soundtrack #7 Pat und Patachon | Eric Frantzen Chor & Orchester ...: <>; Pat und Patachon | Eric Frantzen Chor & Orchester | Bulimie Song ...: <>
polarbeard: like it is on memory using v
polarbeard: hunks is generated by the script after verification
asciilifeform: polarbeard: care to give an example of how this was run ?
asciilifeform: let's say i want to press to the latest
polarbeard: you probably need to specify some paths, wot, patches and sigs
polarbeard: and that's it
polarbeard: sigs is what you call seals
polarbeard: you need the diff splitter, splitdiff
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches. << Aha, yes. It's like lottery as in person activity.
mircea_popescu: << nah, they're 2-3 tons at 5-10k a kg. a truck is 5-10 tons at maaaybe a few hundies a kg.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:08:54; asciilifeform: about what a truck costs
asciilifeform: polarbeard: and i notice that this thing relies on grep
polarbeard: from the patchutils package
asciilifeform: ugh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno, it looks more like a job (and a shitty one at that) than entertainment to me.
polarbeard: right, you have to feed all the targets
mircea_popescu: :D
asciilifeform: polarbeard: this is neat, in the sense that an eiffel tower built from toothpicks is neat
polarbeard: that's why I said I don't know wether this will hit make's limits
polarbeard: I know :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta consider the people wo were playing. "Big prison" is already pretty well engrained into their "living"
asciilifeform: i thought 'bingo' was largely played by children ?!
asciilifeform: and folks in insane asylums
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely the best introduction i've seen to date, tho. beats by quite the margin.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:27:04; buZz: i am me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mostly here played by the elderly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i liked 'jinglebutt' introduction
mircea_popescu: tho i suppose some of the gentlemen may prefer swedes.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: uh... which was that one ?
asciilifeform: !up polarbeard
mircea_popescu: polarbeard you can self-voice, say !up to assbot in private.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was some chick, you quoted it as 'as the name implies, i am jinglebutt. now remove me from this list' or the like
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: actually, that one reporter wasn't bad, however long ago.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: thanks for the tip
mircea_popescu: i guess ima make a top nao. brb.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 383.64, vol: 14814.48883594 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 388.887, vol: 10333.26836 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.56, vol: 62542.28941267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 352.0, vol: 12.8786204 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.2852, vol: 97365.99530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 384.3099, vol: 519.12550084 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.786203978, vol: 69.32396777 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 384.957436949
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mircea_popescu: << oldies but goldies.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:00:59; ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet
asciilifeform: who even was that
BingoBoingo: Prolly an Israeli Jew
BingoBoingo: Just judging by demographics
asciilifeform: << l0lparticle from linked day in logz
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:13:17; mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?
asciilifeform: interesting how this came to nothing.
mircea_popescu: i don't even recall what that was ?
BingoBoingo: U Maryland
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was this,
assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: << graduated
assbot: Andrew Miller phd@umd ... ( )
asciilifeform: no signs of lowering into pederasty
pete_dushenski: except for "Currently on the job market"
asciilifeform: << still employed
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that is implied under 'graduated'
mircea_popescu: myeah. dey doubled down on stupid didn't dey.
asciilifeform: she's teaching at cornell now
asciilifeform: upgraded to junior nomenklatura, apparently.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT implied. most employers of uni derps are unis.
asciilifeform: crime - pays.
mircea_popescu: yeah, until it doesn't it keeps paying.
asciilifeform: my point is that it went down exactly how i knew it would - dean looked at the books and understood where the payola comes from, and did not ask further questions of anybody.
asciilifeform: nobody throws out $8M in nsf grantola
mircea_popescu: 8mn is actually lowish.
asciilifeform: quite enough to feed two derpatronicists and a dozen slave labourers
asciilifeform: and to leave plenty over for the common piggy
asciilifeform: << prize winner !!11111
assbot: Elaine Shi Awarded 2014 Sloan Research Fellowship | UMD Department of Computer Science ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 8MN is par for feeding some classes of derp
mircea_popescu: << since i'm going through history.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 21:20:07; gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: No one terribly interesting.
asciilifeform: as a former participant in the racket, i will say that 8m - even in ~today~'s watered-down usg - is a princely grant bag.
asciilifeform: quite enough to run a large lab for a year+.
asciilifeform: the other takeaway is that ~nsf~ specifically is a magical thing in that the dean had nothing whatsoever to worry about, even if the grant were for reprocessing babies into lollipops, he would never be answerable for it - washington ~signed~, aha
mircea_popescu: lol epic logs. "who are you ?" "princessnell sent me"
BingoBoingo: !up polarbeard
mircea_popescu: << lol is this early danielpbarron ?
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 16:55:28; mircea_popescu: who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ?
asciilifeform: ;;google "ken sent me"
gribble: Leisure Suit Larry: Reloaded - Part 9 - Ken sent me - YouTube: <>; Fouk - Ken sent me - YouTube: <>; Cosmic Space Jorma - Ken Sent Me - YouTube: <>
mircea_popescu: << lmao.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2014 18:47:15; mircea_popescu: that's maybe what are you doing. who are you ?
pete_dushenski: << heh. dead links.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2014 18:49:24; datz_: i run and sponsor
pete_dushenski: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <nubbins`> <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america?
pete_dushenski: and then there was one canuckistani
asciilifeform: !s ;;seen nubbins`
assbot: 210 results for ';;seen nubbins`' :
pete_dushenski: i guess there was the wikidood what was his name...
asciilifeform: << record not yet broken!111
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2015 14:33:39; gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <nubbins`> autographs for only 5 tx fees
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: From what I understand nubsy occasionally has things to do like reveal laser fraud and print.
pete_dushenski: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
asciilifeform: ;;seen artifexd
mircea_popescu: he has a point dun he.
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen fiat500
gribble: fiat500 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 4 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <fiat500> protein with a side of agony
mircea_popescu: ha-HA!
asciilifeform: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 13 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, and 4 seconds ago: <moiety> i have to go, it was nice to see yous
pete_dushenski: lol.
pete_dushenski: mike_c has br0ken previous record :
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:49:35; gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
mod6: ;;seen vragnaroda
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 29 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> I'm American.
mircea_popescu: sheesh
mod6: ikr?
mircea_popescu: and it's still here, you know, four years later.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck lasts this long on the internet.
mod6: not much
mircea_popescu: back then digg > reddit even.
polarbeard: mircea_popescu:
assbot: Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( )
mircea_popescu: nb.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo << lotta that dumb shit on okcupid too. "oh how strange, she has 20 pics in the same exact angle"
assbot: Ruston's Guide to Spotting and Avoiding Fatfishing | fatpeoplehate ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OKC is where a lot of fatfishing happens
pete_dushenski: btc-e trading higher than bistamp, which is itself trading higher than bitfinex... don't think i've ever seen that before.
pete_dushenski: must be a blue moon
mircea_popescu: or a red one.
pete_dushenski: soviet moon is best moon
shinohai: o7
pete_dushenski: from the mines : "Make no mistake. Shinola watches are battery-powered, quartz movement watches. They’re not automatics. One could question whether or not a battery-powered watch justifies a $550-$1,000+ price. However, the quartz movements are made by their Swiss partners, Ronda AG, and then are sent to the 30,000 square foot Detroit factory where Shinola created dozens of jobs for Americans. Each Shinola watchmak
pete_dushenski: ndergoes intense, strict training. None of them had any watchmaker experience before. In short, not only did Shinola create jobs, they gave Detroit natives the training to do those jobs. That’s a pretty fucking noble cause, if you ask me."
pete_dushenski: who wouldn't want an over-priced timepiece manufactured by hobos ? not ~real~ americans !!!1
mircea_popescu: uh. weren't q&q quartz timepieces like 10-20 bux since forever ?
mircea_popescu: what 500.
pete_dushenski: "made in detroit" (tm) (r)
pete_dushenski: the only major city with rents under $1/sqm lend untold credulity and providence
mircea_popescu: "As for having fat pets, this shows that they have no concept of portion control. An animal will eat anything you put in front of it." << this is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: what is the animal, a pig ?
deedbot-: [Trilema] The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date -
polarbeard: what an honour
mircea_popescu: << if anyone in afghanistan etc were not fully employed in countig rocks and fucking goats thus managing to find their way here, i'd definitely finance a project to fly a quad to a drone and use the old komet trick
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:28; asciilifeform: quite odd that nobody has yet (afaik) demonstrated this.
mircea_popescu: (photodiode interrupted electic firiing, fly under enemy, boom)
BingoBoingo: !up polarbeard
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: You know you can voice yourself now?
polarbeard: yes, thanks
BingoBoingo: !help
BingoBoingo: ^instructions there
BingoBoingo: !down polarbeard !up thyself
pete_dushenski: off to the cinema. g'nite !
mircea_popescu:*u0cOcOtNDobvT8ZsWzfzXA.png << this is actually pretty good.
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ben_vulpes: woof
ben_vulpes: i think that i hate managing projects.
ben_vulpes: in bezzleland at least.
ben_vulpes: glorified secretarial work.
mircea_popescu: ever seen glengarry glenn ross ?
mircea_popescu: "What are you, you're a secretary, John. Fuck you. That's my message for you."
ben_vulpes: i have.
ben_vulpes: the salesmen are also entirely interchangeable.
ben_vulpes: except for the ones who are not and who don't want anything to do with my asbestos gloves.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: then again john was quite a miserable manager.
mircea_popescu: all of the defense (you know, picking up when people steal toilet paper), none of the offense, none of the good stuff, like making the team not suck dicks.
ben_vulpes: i don't see the problem with embezzling a reasonable amount of toilet paper. it's a valid business expense, and the staff don't get taxed for it.
mircea_popescu: well, it's your fucking toilet paper and what sort of people are these.
ben_vulpes: hey man i'm just trying to get cash in the kids pockets while paying as little taxes on it as possible
ben_vulpes: tax*
mircea_popescu: sounds ever more like a co-op :D
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: funny you should mention that
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ben_vulpes: the insane fucking rules around ESOPs. i tell you.
ben_vulpes: wall street and congress got a hold of the notion and now there are all sorts of arcane bezzle-quirements like "must get valued by a state-blessed valutron", "must be investment grade paper" etc.
mircea_popescu: the problem here, and it's a fundamental problem, is that the derps that get employed aren't usually investor grade.
ben_vulpes: ofc not
mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: i had to explain how buy-and-hold of non-dividend-paying-stocks the other day wasn't forgoing compounding.
mircea_popescu: the result is that they have to make an endless array of rules to approximate "not entirely fucktarded teen".
ben_vulpes: fucktarded teen still gets hoodwinked with worthless paper regularly.
mircea_popescu: they perceive they gotta try.
mircea_popescu: the only correct solution is to pay in stock only. you do get alf moaning about his sad fate as an owner of his own fate,
mircea_popescu: but the alternative is drinking straight crazy from a toilet bowl.
ben_vulpes: and as a result, my equitizing the staff is miserably difficult.
mircea_popescu: imo you're trying to make a copper-iron thermostable alloy.
mircea_popescu: desist.
ben_vulpes: explain the parallel in a little more detail?
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason people who make 30 an hour should own stock ; and if they did it certainly shouldn't be yours.
mircea_popescu: their needs (represented by copper in this diagram) and the realities of owning stock in a small venture (represented by iron in same) have very different reactions to a change in financial context (represented as temperature)
mircea_popescu: you're trying to meld two things together that will never, ever stay put as temperature varies.
mircea_popescu: even if through whatever arcana you get it "good enough" for the current context you happen to inhabit, such as your room.
ben_vulpes: i just had the weirdest experience
mircea_popescu: whassat
ben_vulpes: i realized that the shartup bezzletron actually got this right
mircea_popescu: it did.
mircea_popescu: well, better than throwing darts anyway.
ben_vulpes: anyways, thanks for the insight.
mircea_popescu: hey, they don't pay me $infinity + bonuses + golden dirigibles for nothing.
ben_vulpes: lol golden dirigible
ben_vulpes: anyways this place is amazing
mircea_popescu: hey, i started low on the dirigible scale.
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ben_vulpes: years of slaving for nuggets of insight once or thrice a quarter
ben_vulpes: i wonder what alf gets out of it, so competent as he is.
ben_vulpes: rubs the wrath itch?
mircea_popescu: yes but see, you get them as you need 'em. lyf.
ben_vulpes: life would be more like you don't get them when you need them.
ben_vulpes: i am now confronted with the difficult question of what the fuck i'm doing even owning my own stock.
mircea_popescu: now you are truly welcome.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel?
ben_vulpes: clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'.
asciilifeform: brunel was in the up elevator
ben_vulpes: what is this 'up elevator'
asciilifeform: as was, e.g., tesla
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: living in a rising, rather than falling, empire
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: well that's novel and depressing
asciilifeform: rewards slightly different sorts of folk
asciilifeform reads thread, and falls down, srsly, ben_vulpes pays his monkeyz stock ?
asciilifeform: why?!
ben_vulpes: lol you didn't read the thread didja
ben_vulpes: toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity!
asciilifeform: something about tax dodges, aha
asciilifeform: 'clever was the turkey, but ended in the soup anyway'
asciilifeform: (tm) (r)
ben_vulpes: << same exact story here. californians and it only happens once per year.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 20:50:17; BingoBoingo: We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily
ben_vulpes: well it doesn't actually work, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: apparently i'm so scary i'm the only one taking the wine^H^H^H^Htoilet paper home
asciilifeform: oh and you're not running a proper sov-collapse shop until the workers have to bring own shitpaper
ben_vulpes: dude heaven forfend
ben_vulpes: i can see it though
asciilifeform: there are tales of truck stops in finland being picked clean, early '90s, even of fixtures like mirrors and toilet paper ~holders~, for a while. then they were re-equipped sov-style to have nothing worth taking
ben_vulpes: heh
asciilifeform: in a sufficiently intense collapse one might expect the toilets themselves to disappear, eventually
ben_vulpes: good old anemic hand dryers
ben_vulpes: "wipe your hands on your pants, plebe"
ben_vulpes: it's good for the envirowhatever
ben_vulpes: (tr) (m)
asciilifeform: << you kill the queen of the hive and eat the royal jelly. this gives you five extra appendages, with which to kill other pretenders, and +5 vorpal sword of virility, and a +3 willpower.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:57:53; ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel?
danielpbarron: << yes and I'm glad I had the sense to stfu after that line
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:39:42; mircea_popescu: << lol is this early danielpbarron ?
ben_vulpes: wow
ben_vulpes: time flies
asciilifeform: << around here, there is no shortage of 500k/y,50y.o. mortgaged to the hilt, who would die ~faster than i would~ if income cut to 0
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:40:55; mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons
asciilifeform: a 500k/y chump is just a slightly higher-powered chump
asciilifeform: and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid.
asciilifeform: he ~could~ put the 500 in his pocket instead of mortgaging his anal virginity to a 10m cardboard 'house'.
asciilifeform: BUT these folks are typically 'bred to be eaten', heavily selected in the first place for the kind of behaviours that preclude 500k-in-pocket.
asciilifeform: at least here in the reservation, this is so.
asciilifeform: also
asciilifeform: also i am quite amused thinking about how ben_vulpes quasi-offered me work in a shop where the toilet paper is supposed to be an appealing perk
ben_vulpes: again with the not reading the threads omg!
asciilifeform: what did i miss now.
ben_vulpes: 'tis in the logs.
asciilifeform: << do i misinterpret this ?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:07:25; ben_vulpes: toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity!
ben_vulpes: yes. that's a joke about stock in startups.
asciilifeform: ok so you ~were~ speaking of stock.
ben_vulpes: i was talking about several things!
asciilifeform: re: paying non-investorgrade folks (as in, people who need to ~work to eat~) in stock, do you know the soviet voucher story ?
ben_vulpes: no, go on
asciilifeform: !s privatization
assbot: 12 results for 'privatization' :
asciilifeform: de-sovietized affairs of all kinds, from oil&gas to factories, etc. were turned into stock, 'vouchers', parcelled out among the peeeeeple
asciilifeform: and pretty much all ended up sold for nanopennies
asciilifeform: so that folks could eat a little in the hungry '90s
ben_vulpes: << 'tis just a step on the road to the obvious solution of entirely disposable versions of all the above
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:57; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: actually these are cheap, esp. in that when they explode, nobody's widow gets a pension
asciilifeform: ... ditto the flats, which were now owned by the residents, making 'insta-millionaires'
asciilifeform: but somehow most ended up bought up by folks who didn't have to worry about eatin'
asciilifeform: and now the rest, pay them rent.
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise
asciilifeform: << see also.
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 03:15:33; asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'
ben_vulpes: << which is mind-boggling given the thing has a what turbofan?
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:18; asciilifeform: incidentally 'predator' is a very slow machine, a toy chopper could quite likely catch up with it
asciilifeform: thing is also large and draggy
ben_vulpes: we have yet to arrive at state-issued flats for all but the most deeeeeserving of poor.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: japanese for-placement-only netdrones could probably snag one
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and not actually similar, even where exist. american 'sec 8' leprosoria are not in any sense whatsoever owned by the inhabitants
asciilifeform: whereas sov flat inhabitant could only be dislodged by death or prison term
asciilifeform: a much stronger ownership than ANYBODY in usa has of ANY real estate
ben_vulpes: << enough with the aligned shits
assbot: Makefile · GitHub ... ( )
ben_vulpes: you can smell the users of fashionable editors a mile away
ben_vulpes: i'd wager this one uses Atom
ben_vulpes: or Sublime Dicks
asciilifeform: bawawhat
asciilifeform: i thought 'atom' was a www syndicatron thing
asciilifeform: sublime dicks, on the other hand, is mega-popular for some reason, colleagues had it and i lullzed seeing the nag popup interrupt their session
ben_vulpes: some "we're going to revolutionize editing text by pretending emacs was never a thing"
ben_vulpes: lol over there too?
ben_vulpes: i routinely mock users who have the escape wired into their brains
asciilifeform: emacs is a thick enough, barbed enough broomstick, that this is not hard to pull off
ben_vulpes: "what, can't afford 10 dollars for your text editor?"
ben_vulpes: (or two man-years, yes)
asciilifeform: doubly lulzy when you're all pro re folks who 'ida' all day long
asciilifeform: and too lazy to bust the idiot nagware
ben_vulpes: the mind, it doth boggle.
polarbeard: lol, sublime
polarbeard: I use the only and true editor
asciilifeform: 'ed' ?
ben_vulpes: nano!
polarbeard: notepad.exe
ben_vulpes: editor of the dirigible
asciilifeform: pair'o'wirez+teeth
ben_vulpes: electron beam and a good set of sights
polarbeard: aggresive looks to the keyboard
ben_vulpes: << what? no.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:52:58; polarbeard: after verifying, patches are split into hunks
ben_vulpes: << what? what?!
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 23:55:19; polarbeard: there is no v
polarbeard: again, hunks = intermediate state
ben_vulpes: why.
polarbeard: the script is 300 lines, not hard to review
polarbeard: again, experiments, do not use
ben_vulpes: if so easy to review, similarly easy to explain.
polarbeard: ask
ben_vulpes: << more dependencies, and again i ask /why/
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:03:11; polarbeard: you need the diff splitter, splitdiff
ben_vulpes: why?
polarbeard: make is a build tool, it can build the press
asciilifeform: i read the whole thing, still can't figure out the 'why'
polarbeard: why implementing toposort for the nth time
ben_vulpes: why split the patches, polarbeard, quit dodging the question.
polarbeard: linear dependencies
asciilifeform: wait till polarbeard finds out what ~else~ we intend to implement for the n+1th time
ben_vulpes: << and that's eating the capital of all sins
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 00:33:02; asciilifeform: and to leave plenty over for the common piggy
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: should reimplementing toposort be impossibly painful for you...
polarbeard: lol, k
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who have enough capital to eat the drawn dividends, eat that, and never eat capital. the rest of us, eat whatever falls into the hopper
asciilifeform: see the su privatization thread again, if this does not make sense.
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: look at my contribution history. it is very nearly 100% reimplementations of that which asciilifeform or mod6 or trinque have written first.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however.
ben_vulpes: whomever?
ben_vulpes is the undereducated american today as every day
asciilifeform: i can't speak for ben_vulpes, but the idea that folks who what they do for some explicable reason, rather than because of daemonic possession, was - imho - an advance.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in reference to?
asciilifeform: in re:
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:40:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however.
ben_vulpes: oh, whichever sins?
ben_vulpes: this is like me giving a shit about what gavin and company do and derp about on reddit.
asciilifeform: the islamic world, for instance, never moved beyond this, and it shows
asciilifeform: 'electron moves because allah willed so'
ben_vulpes: the dependency chain of "well i work for satan because i got this useless phd that i got because i had a masters i didn't know what to do with because i got a bachelors that i similarly didn't understand the purpose of because i was told to go to college and" it never fucking ends and i don't really give a shit about the root cause for whatever retardation.
ben_vulpes: and no this is not "electron" this is why did isaac fuck ahmeds goat
ben_vulpes: i literally do not care and the spending of time figuring out why the derps do what they do is best left as an exercise to good men like mister backtick who actually enjoy hanging out on all day
ben_vulpes: and for the umpteenth time polarbeard /why/ split the damn patches and introduce a million new dependencies?
polarbeard: what dependencies?
ben_vulpes: "i didn't know any better" is, for the record, an entirely acceptable response.
ben_vulpes: diffsplit
polarbeard: *splitdiff
polarbeard: it's a neat tool
ben_vulpes: but more importantly the patches
polarbeard: I aliased it to 'spliff'
ben_vulpes: why won't you answer that one
polarbeard: linear dependencies, easier to handle
polarbeard: intermediate state is all about optimization
ben_vulpes: violates principles of v, though.
ben_vulpes: this is 'yagni' optimization.
polarbeard: you didn't read the script
ben_vulpes: i have to admit, my eyes glazed over.
ben_vulpes: i saw some turds, asked some questions, am not entirely thrilled with answers.
ben_vulpes has now filed reports with whip-crackers, can go home to die in sweet embrace, will be off shortly
ben_vulpes: anyways, interesting thing, polarbeard, perhaps i shall test it some day along side the tools written by people i trust like mod6 and trinque and asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, try to understand why we use 'v', and why your failure to do so has lead me to stomp on the ground like a petulant child.
ben_vulpes: led*
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently fella wanted to reimplement v in gnumake (as i once considered doing) but made some peculiar design decisions along the way
asciilifeform: (no, you don't ~have~ to split the patches into patchons, to do this)
asciilifeform: also it appears that his version requires you to manually munge it every time a new patch is added
polarbeard: I would have to implement a hash table in bash
polarbeard: meh
polarbeard: to keep track of multiple parents
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asciilifeform: which is how i ended up ~not~ doing it in gnumake
polarbeard: that's right, I shouldn't have released it this early anyway
polarbeard: just wanted to get some love
asciilifeform: but overall, dependency on ~more~ unix tools is a bad thing, and dependency on ~more complicated~ and less-likely-to-be-reimplemented-by-wot-folk-soon tools, likewise
asciilifeform: polarbeard: why not try your hand at, say, a tx debugger? sorely needed item
polarbeard: what do you want from a tx debugger
polarbeard: I wanted to instrumentalize trb a bit, btw
polarbeard: a tx debugger sort-of-fits in my plans
polarbeard: feed me :3
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mircea_popescu: << who's brunel ?!
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:03:27; asciilifeform: brunel was in the up elevator
mircea_popescu: << i have nfi. i think it's a lot of "how does one get a gf". not being worthy, per se. not demanding $randomfemale submit, per se. not that far off, either.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:58:10; ben_vulpes: clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'.
mircea_popescu: << but it does make a lot of difference. a rising tide lifts all boats, there was no admiral nelson of the mughal empire. certainly not at that date.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:04:27; ben_vulpes: well that's novel and depressing
mircea_popescu: << it happened.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:10:21; ben_vulpes: i can see it though
mircea_popescu: << you deeply misunderstand what "investor grade" means in this context. the point is that he is RARE. you understand this ? the fundamental property of capital control in any functioning society without exception possible is that it must be concentrated.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:17:41; asciilifeform: and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid.
mircea_popescu: so, if that guy fucks up, as no doubt he will, his distress is merely amusing from a societal pov. and perhaps instructive., but mostly amusing.
mircea_popescu: and "you only have yourself to blame".
mircea_popescu: when plebs "own stock", the problem becomes unsolvable, because the ready answer is, "i can't blame myself, for i'm nothing - so i'll just blame the gods"
mircea_popescu: you can't blame the gods and live to see the morn.
BingoBoingo: for alf
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "and the moon changes ever as his mind!"
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:23:28; asciilifeform: ok so you ~were~ speaking of stock.
mircea_popescu: << there's no other way out of the idiocy of equality.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 02:27:13; asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise
mircea_popescu: two step process : a) make everyone ACTUALLY carry the burden of being the lord he was seeing himself as and b) allow the scum to shirk away.
mircea_popescu: then they'll rant and rave about "dupa ce i-a cheltuit vor merita sa devina muncitori ! Nu mai au nici o scuza ca au devenit saraci!"
mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
mircea_popescu: this is the cornerstone of any possible sociology.
asciilifeform: << isambard kingdom brunel. quite possibly greatest engineer of all time - built first modern bridges, world's largest ships of his century, for britain
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:24:11; mircea_popescu: << who's brunel ?!
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danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 i think your twatter bot died again
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danielpbarron: i like to retweet those greaterthan 100 btc trades
mircea_popescu: oh oh
asciilifeform: << this'd be rather like a pirate proposing that piracy is the only possible structure. if it were, what would there be for him to plunder ?
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:41:20; mircea_popescu: this is the cornerstone of any possible sociology.
asciilifeform: su existed.
asciilifeform: for the privatizatory to carve up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prison term didn't dislodge. people came back to their own flats.
mircea_popescu: prison term FOR WHOLE FAMILY
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not if 'sentenced to 100th km'
mircea_popescu: even those got rescinded.
asciilifeform: on occasion, yes
mircea_popescu: right. but generally fambly kept the place, for mere conviction. it had to be political-wrathful to dislodge.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the exact same sort of people sifted to the top in the su as do anywhere else all the time. which is why yeltsin didn't survive and putin did.
asciilifeform: history is not, fortunately or otherwise, an endless loop of the same thing
mircea_popescu: pfff.
mircea_popescu: history is precisely an endless loop of the same thing. also, it has to be.
asciilifeform: it is the job of the inventor to not permit the endless loop.
asciilifeform: otherwise, yes, 5000 yrs of egypt.
mircea_popescu: the inventor is in this matter very closely related to the fashion designer.
mircea_popescu: they work hard at lipsticking the pig.
mircea_popescu: fortunately or otherwise, few live the millenia required for most of it to wear off.
asciilifeform: wake me up from my grave when, e.g., the gunpowder fashion, dies down.
mircea_popescu: also you'll be very hard pressed to argue that 5000 years of egypt were less than 5000 years hence.
mircea_popescu: (if for instance your aim is "population", mind that they started on a very narrow base. hard to beat.)
mod6: danielpbarron: thx for the heads up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the egypt point is in re: the fact that the 3000th yr was quite like the 4000th and entirely possibly indistinguishable even to pro archaeologist
asciilifeform: perhaps a better example would've been the 10,000 yrs of australian abo.
mircea_popescu: you flatter yourself if you imagine there's more difference here than there, to an archeologist so distant in the future.
mircea_popescu: their shit keeps better than your shit does.
asciilifeform: no doubt.
asciilifeform: and the fossilized skeletons of the jurassic keep better still.
mircea_popescu: besides, the discussion in civilisational terms is besides the point. i guarantee that there was an alf in upper egypt bemoaning the vagaries of fate in the following exact terms :
mircea_popescu: "Whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them ?"
asciilifeform: quite possibly.
asciilifeform: but meanwhile somebody wiped arse with the papyrus.
asciilifeform: so we're stuck guessing.
mircea_popescu: so what did not repeat ? the shape of the woman's pants ?
mircea_popescu: who cares, it's the same ass.
asciilifeform: telegraphy ?
trinque: they used to have feet. so what?
mircea_popescu: telegraphy is not a thing.
asciilifeform: i know full well that mircea_popescu can arbitrarily redefine 'a thing' for there to be none.
mircea_popescu: do you miss the things that'll be discovered after you die, perhaps ? nobody cares. you happen to have seen telegraph. they saw the complex calculation of how to pi, and counted them very civilised for it. big whoop.
trinque: it's simply staring at the tool and thinking of it in isolation, rather than inside the human process in which it is used
asciilifeform: i can boot up fortran and set 1 to equal 2 also.
asciilifeform: and i suppose 'human processes' didn't change a lick since pharaonic egypt. aha, right.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing to change. what'd you change ?
mircea_popescu: you still value what you lost more than what you gain by that loss. you still need stimuli to grow geometrically for subjective sensation to progress arithmetically.
asciilifeform: and my arse still takes up space in 3 dimensions, big whoop
mircea_popescu: your eyes' cablature still crosses behind your nose.
mircea_popescu: quite.
trinque notes the former SU guy's fixation on novelty
trinque: HA!
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu blasting off to mothership, tells chums 'this planet is a mega-snore, nothing ~ever~ changes there, let's get outtahere'
mircea_popescu: i don't mind.
mircea_popescu: i expect change like you expect nonsense. it comes out of young / silly people.
asciilifeform: and asteroids.
mircea_popescu: hardly.
mircea_popescu: you ever read that thing on the latin language ?
asciilifeform: 'the 80th latin' or what was it
asciilifeform: on trilema ?
mircea_popescu: yeah that.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: spiffy
mircea_popescu: so asteroid. what sort of novelty is that ?
mircea_popescu: the only news in the world is the history you didn't know and the measurements you took incorrectly.
mircea_popescu: not like photons went you know what ? this planck constant's boring, let's get a new one.
asciilifeform: i suppose if asteroid cleaned everybody's clock but the hydrothermal vent microbes, mircea_popescu would (from his dirigible!) still say, 'nothing novel, planet still crawling with whatevers, snore'
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
asciilifeform: i cannot say to this, but only take off my hat.
asciilifeform: *say anything
mircea_popescu: your earlier mistake was to suppose it's UP TO THEM.
mircea_popescu: it isn't up to them. some people dont' care. some do. they can't change this anymore than you can be a woman.
asciilifeform: wai wut? up to whom ?
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that miseducation can bring one up to think himself the other kind, whichg CAN be remedied.
mircea_popescu: but this is not unlike retarded mother bringing boy up in skirts.
mircea_popescu: eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 03:40:38; mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
asciilifeform: this is also how we get
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 01:09:02; mircea_popescu: << if anyone in afghanistan etc were not fully employed in countig rocks and fucking goats thus managing to find their way here, i'd definitely finance a project to fly a quad to a drone and use the old komet trick
mircea_popescu: how would you know this ?
trinque: mircea_popescu │ eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off. << I'm going to go ahead and carve this one into the inside of my skull.
asciilifeform: in approx same way and to same degree as i know that electron exists.
asciilifeform: (no, i did not see one with naked eye.)
mircea_popescu: so what did you see to make this equivalence stick ?
mircea_popescu: for instance, charge of electron can be measured even from white noise of antenna.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: and from molar mass / speed of reaction
asciilifeform: and the sheer mega-virility of pashtun can be likewise measured in 1,001 ways.
mircea_popescu: and from a number of other things.
mircea_popescu: but that's not your thesis.
asciilifeform: thesis is that 'the spartan speaks with his sword', untempered, results in goatfuckistan.
mircea_popescu: but no. your thesis is that "can only result in" goatfuckistan.
asciilifeform: as amply confirmed experimentally as anything i'd care to think of.
mircea_popescu: and this has nothing to stand on.
mircea_popescu: such as actual sparta ?
asciilifeform: has same to stand on as 'communism results in misery' etc
asciilifeform: the totality of the record.
mircea_popescu: not so.
asciilifeform: wake me up when the he-men create so much as a 'aa' battery.
mircea_popescu: there's another great difference, which may be easier to ford. socialism - sacrifice now for later paradise. this - is enjoyable. now. so much so i have not the least care if paradise or no paradise, or as the old man of the mountain said to allah,
mircea_popescu: "you can keep your virgins"
mircea_popescu: "i already ate".
asciilifeform: this being said, i wouldn't mind visiting limonov's (or mircea_popescu's for that matter) planet where folks practice bare-handed head-chopping from sunrise to noon, and measure neutron cross-sections, compose symphonies, after dinner
asciilifeform: followed by a good ol'fashioned chess-boxing match on weekend.
asciilifeform: i might get eaten as a snack on said planet, but it'd be almost worth it
BingoBoingo: !b 3
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mircea_popescu: teh stubborn is strong with this one :D
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, not long ago had a brain-melting mindfuck, browsed maths crud on 'amazon' rec list, and noticed b00k, 'wait a sec, where did i see the author' - turns out, in email box
asciilifeform: (at wurk)
mircea_popescu: this is common neh ?
mircea_popescu: publish or shittish.
asciilifeform: personal first
mircea_popescu: eh, period in my life, i'd go to a party and inexorably leave with a half sack of books.
asciilifeform: interestingly, never happened when i actually was involved in academic racket
mircea_popescu: possibly a contributing factor in my distaste with the damned things.
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asciilifeform: my father had a world-class library, left it behind, today cannot stand the idea of amassing any such thing
trinque: why is the egyptian man's desire for food, a place to shit, and women to fuck different from mine? and if it isn't, whence this idea that my motivations are manifold (and advanced!), his few?
trinque brb
asciilifeform: i suspect that i will go the same
asciilifeform: the b00kz become associated with thing-that-anchors-you, i suspect
mircea_popescu: trinque well, an argument can be brought that yours are a lot more cleaved. like, you know, you can separately desire to lay with the woman as in cuddle, to lay with the woman as in fuck her brains out, to lay with the woman as to impregnate her and so on. whereas poor simple he, just lay with the woman.
mircea_popescu: now, whether a natural tongue or one surgically bifurcated is a change worth the mention... well... i suppose we must leave this up to the inventor.
mircea_popescu: lest the academic has to publish to justify his high station, an' the inventor must invent, hence so many new inventions all the time.
asciilifeform: i'd put the bifurcation as the whole of the man-monkey divide
mircea_popescu: you would.
asciilifeform: sure as hell, monkey has one fuck mode
mircea_popescu: this doesn't explain why young men are so undistinguishable from monkeys.
asciilifeform: not bifurcated far
mircea_popescu: "not along - across!"
asciilifeform: l0lz!
mircea_popescu: anyway. the difference between man and monkey is that man realises it's not actually worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: ie, contemplation, not invention.
mircea_popescu: or to put it in more familiar terms, you know why the german goes bald arouind the corona, and the romanian arfound the forehead ?
asciilifeform: speaking of 'indistinguishable from monkeys', i observed that approx 1 train car in 5 has a loud, rambling nutter in it
asciilifeform: or at least a black fella singing loudly along to his headphones, without a care
asciilifeform: in a car otherwise full of dour folk making angry eyes
asciilifeform: so why the german goes bald ... ?
mircea_popescu: it's a visual joke. imagine me saying "hmm, i wonder how best to do this" whille scratching the top of my head
asciilifeform: ah!
mircea_popescu: and then "omfg what have i done" slapping forehead
mircea_popescu: contemplation. that's the divide. reflexivity. once the hardware started doing recursion, it split.
mircea_popescu: monkey-human divide cybernetically equivalent to non-recursive / recursive systems.
asciilifeform: aha, as pictured in hofstadter and minsky
mircea_popescu: mebbe ? i dun recall
asciilifeform: (the former wrote a whole mega-l0ltron re: same, 'i am a strange loop')
asciilifeform: and i suppose the egyptians must have known this
asciilifeform: or we'd have a... new idea
mircea_popescu: i'm sure we also have a new language!
mircea_popescu: such novel!
mircea_popescu: this conception of "novelty" is not so dissimilar to creationist's conception of darwinism. "he said my auntie's a dog!"
asciilifeform: i am picturing, one day measured value of plank's constant shifts, mircea_popescu goes back to sleep, says 'this shift was implicit all along, could not otherwise happen.' and will sleep until the very integers get up and walk around.
asciilifeform: this is not curable.
mircea_popescu: catch me doing that first, wouldja ?
mircea_popescu: so far the score's about a trillion to 0 the other way.
asciilifeform: aha, which is why lulzy
mircea_popescu: (actually the only sane model of physical cosmogony i know doth require shifting planck constant, if ever so shyly)
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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mircea_popescu: (the problem, in the simplest terms, is that for h to be constant energy and spacetime must stay coupled. as such, it's impossible to have an original singularity (aka the big bang) seeing how everything solves neatly for a radius of 0, yielding a pretty field of 0's and a pile of nondetermined constants. conversely : in planck terms, the age of the universe is about 10^61, its radius about 10^61 and its energy about 1
mircea_popescu: 0^61, which is one hell of a coincidence that it should allign so right now! (same results can be expressed looking at the schwarzschild radius, too). )

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