asciilifeform: vacuuming and even air compressor, turns out, does not really clean the inside.
asciilifeform: has dampeners ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this thing had noise dampeners and intake filters (bottom and front)
asciilifeform: which is why it is important to ~help them die~.
asciilifeform is not ~complete~ idiot
asciilifeform: handling 50k/gram samples !!
asciilifeform: and assumes no surgical, if you will, complications.
asciilifeform: the competition to the machine was asian gurlz for $15/h
asciilifeform: ruined sample is a loss.
asciilifeform: my lab tested custom compounds in vitro, some worth $50k/gram
asciilifeform: the matter is that the buyers for this thing simply do not exist !
asciilifeform: see, mircea_popescu, simply NOT USING WINBLOWZ is a guaranteed gain in ANY conveyor!
asciilifeform: quite impossible, actually, afaik.
asciilifeform: my list is not complete until i'm dead...
asciilifeform: (maybe ants are not the best example, but ~the mold on the cheese~ is. mold is necessary and useful in the RIGHT PLACES)
asciilifeform: ftr i still see the high-S thing as a deplorable compromise
asciilifeform: there is an excellent scene of 16 c. horse-drawn impalement in the pl film 'Ogniem i mieczem' ('with fire and sword').
asciilifeform: the last instance i recall of a formal sentence of impalement was, iirc, in 1740s, and it was commuted at the last minute to beheading
asciilifeform: it will still be a few yrs. before it becomes impossible to play on the net.
asciilifeform: which... is COMPATIBLE with ezusb !?!?! >>. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428437
asciilifeform: and eat roomtemp-stable cheese? fuck that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , who IS free man, can sit down & write mpcoin.
asciilifeform: anyway i did not jump, assumed lsd.
asciilifeform: i will NOT be complicit in a reallocation of chainvalue to the enemy.
asciilifeform: i don't buy whole computer (other than portables, for restricted uses)
asciilifeform: so if you lot end up surrendering, i will simply have to add 'bitcoin replacement' to my already tall pile of 'redo computing' pyramid, slowly grind it in my mostly nonexisting spare time, and wait another 20 years to find a new set of sane people, if i live that long.
asciilifeform: (i loathe ada, but this needs a BOUNDS-CHECKED language where i can AUDIT THE BINARY and NO RUNTIME COMPONENT / GC - which leaves exactly ONE)
asciilifeform: this pointedly does not mean that i am interested in attempting to wash the smell of shit off a rando sickly rat from rando sewer.
asciilifeform: the idiots have an impenetrable armour plate
asciilifeform: ~because~ : computer - NEVER HAPPEND there.
asciilifeform: computer, as i like to point out, very much is a boeing with feathers.
asciilifeform: i would say that we ~understand~ a thing if we can fully separate the ~accidental~ complexity of it from the ~essential~.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bottle at room temp for few hrs != city water tower (which has cl, etc)
asciilifeform: !s so room would be empty
asciilifeform: no industrial giant remotely contemplated funding the other kind of chess (and there ~was~ work, as recently as early '80s)
asciilifeform: impaciuitorism ?
asciilifeform: but also that a thrown match was almost impossible to conceal from expert eye
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: pointedly an example of the ~current~ crud
asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall the article where some fella implanted a small magnet into his finger ?
asciilifeform: i.e. attempting to get to the bottom of what thought process ~is~, in a meaningful way
asciilifeform: fucktardedly, the talkingheads of alphago are prattling in front of an ~empty~ vertical go board. The game per se is a small corner inset !
asciilifeform: also lulzy, from same rag, http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/03/report-elon-musk-tim-cook-and-larry-page-meet-to-halt-trumps-ascendancy
asciilifeform: and it would greatly surprise me if most of mircea_popescu's personal coin was not 1 step from mpex
asciilifeform: nubbins`: did you miss the part where i point out that ~all of MY coin is just as 'mpex'y
asciilifeform: nubbins`: fwiw pretty much all of my own coin would appear as 'mpex funds' per your analysis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: variable. but there is a boojum! typically you have to sign 'noncompete' to get the severance. and you have to be sacked, can't leave on own free will. and the sacking can't be 'for cause', etc, etc.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if kako disagrees with mp, i expect that he will put this in writing and sign ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, i am not seeing a bbet shareholder stampede
asciilifeform: and from my reading of the listing article, it appears to very clearly imply that it is mircea_popescu's thing and he can take the ball and go home, etc.
asciilifeform: the ~only thing i know about mpb is that 1) it is roughly compatible with 0.6 and 2) he fixed the db locks bug years ago, and shared with me the patch, a while back, and it is in trb
asciilifeform: i don't have an mpex account; am powerless to move so much as one share of anything; etc.
asciilifeform: (and before this, was 'mpoepr'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426568 << iirc she runs mpif.
asciilifeform: complete with gangrene.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426328 << mebbe he's zoned for impalement, l0l!
asciilifeform: recently i contemplated doing a rotor port to a chinese tv box, 1G of ram, available for ~30 usd in qty. infinite. but when the fuck would i do this, a student ought to do this
asciilifeform: (the blkindex and mempool exhaustion)
asciilifeform: davout: so a1 was rejected by miners because ????. and a few hundred nodes, a day later, showed no symptoms of knowing about it.
asciilifeform: dumpblock, rather
asciilifeform: mpb prolly.
asciilifeform: why would an unprincipled mp ~not~ anonymously fill in the hole ?
asciilifeform: i am also sympathetic to the argument that the currency chair broke when he sat down on it and wtf.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424835 << is important point.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you did not complain when mine was late ?
asciilifeform: he can't simply say 'oops!'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: recall the quantum computer thread ?
asciilifeform: or, similar example, do you know how famous sov. circus trainer kuklachev trained housecats to perform ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: incidentally i have nfi what mpb does, i have never seen it and don't expect to
asciilifeform: [02:07:54] [mircea_popescu] ALL these ~happened~ to somehow drop out of mempools ? << from the document << later we learn that prb DROPS what it deems 'doublespend' SOLELY based on chronology.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what does the listing agreement say re: what to do, as a shareholder, if you think mp has been afflicted by martian brain parasites and broke the agreement ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is not true, see the onetimepad thread, mp admitted that he made an arithmetical mistake once !
asciilifeform: nubbins`: my current hypothesis is that he did not intend a reactor test, but simply allowed the transmitter to calculate a default fee, which turned out to be 0, and sent.
asciilifeform: want to fight with captain? pump bilgewater to cool down the rods ?
asciilifeform: you are on a nuke sub. captain, having been informed by six different crew members that reactor coolant has been replaced with pisswater, and the valve gaskets - with chewing gum, gives in to the temptation to run a test.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: imho the shareholders have a legit complaint re: the reactor test, and ought to be told why/what/etc. but i'm not a s.bbet shareholder, and nobody asked me (tm) etc.
asciilifeform: try, make? except that spamola temperature seems to be low today
asciilifeform: this was one of mp's accusations actually
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the point re: mpex is valid imho.
asciilifeform: i like that there is more than one implementation
asciilifeform: well for some reason you sent hanbot to turn over dumpsters in alleys and find'em. so here i am.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what i was trying to say is that no one, afaik, has ever proposed and implemented entirely novel mechanism.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: being a slave, it would be stepping outside of my competence to attempt the use of any other kind of definition.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423707 << definitely discussed. there is deliberately no simple way of refirmwaring the thing.
asciilifeform: escape from my concentration camp, for one thing. But that costs 1000x what i have.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423537 << you forgot mpex subscriptions
asciilifeform: ^ shouldn't mpex be denominated in gold pieces-of-eight now?!1111
asciilifeform: ^ usg says 'ty mp, have moar fine fresh printolade'
asciilifeform: which i am trying to derive the implications of.
asciilifeform: but every computer user knows that a bad schelling point can take generations to dislodge.
asciilifeform: or a usable computer.
asciilifeform: it is simply the current britain. forget the particular.
asciilifeform: but to say that mircea_popescu's retreat is of no interest to mpex users, beggars the imagination and melts my brain.
asciilifeform: and i admit that i wonder about mpex.
asciilifeform: mp calls artillery strike on own position. takes cover in bunker. the rest of tmsr - in ???.
asciilifeform: the enemies of sound money are uncorking champagne today.
asciilifeform: ring signature adds an astonishing amount of complexity, for dubious gain.
asciilifeform: i think about this story every time i turn on my compressor.
asciilifeform: afaik the anglos did not so much as attempt to culturally 'uplift' the pinoy.
asciilifeform: 100% of what sets the ukrs - quite temporarily - above the monkeys in the zoo, is of su design and manufacture.
asciilifeform: well there is a dimm on my desk stamped 'made in philippines.' there is not, and i looked, one 'made in kenya'.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, nowhere in volkischer beobachter will you find mention of the 100s of folks who mailed in offers to usg to root the pnohe with the very simple nand flash removal method.
asciilifeform: 2) a desperate wartime wunderwaffen that allowed for some temporary sanity
asciilifeform: well this is implied?
asciilifeform: the value pumped into the old btc will go to hitler.
asciilifeform: and just last night mircea_popescu was reminding me of e folly of throwing away old razor for incomplete lisp razor
asciilifeform: who ever heard of a slow nuke. dontcha want the panic stampede?
asciilifeform: or what, was impaled ?
asciilifeform: trinque: what is the point of attempting this distinction?
asciilifeform: as we have it, comparing 2 tx is.. undecidable.
asciilifeform: but verily, s put the turingcompleteness in the ONE place it least belonged, the tx processor.
asciilifeform: it still isn't '1 way' - sig nonce, timestamp, scriptolade...
asciilifeform: asymptotic death.
asciilifeform: and if you allow chained tx, now you have to walk the mempool when checking the validity of ~any~ incoming tx.
asciilifeform: but where is the room-temp supercon.
asciilifeform: can haz example?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what 10min?! whatever kept you from transacting like normal people, will keep you from moving the 'temporary' coinz
asciilifeform: and now also he had to empty it.
asciilifeform: l0l sounds like a job for a gimp script (tnyscheme!11)
asciilifeform: now i am tempted to say to client, when he asks for theta, 'it isn't that complex'
asciilifeform: 'it isn't the complex' !?!?!!
asciilifeform: sturles: you do not know what computational complexity refers to ??!
asciilifeform: this is called a complexity vulnerability, and presently i search for these, elsewhere and far away, for a living.
asciilifeform: the miners are free to collect clumps of tx off the street and find, at their own idiot expense, validly linked chains thereof.
asciilifeform: sturles: do you know what an ~algorithmic complexity attack~ is ?
asciilifeform: if it is in the mempool, it is not a parent !
asciilifeform: if it is not clear, i am speaking not simply of systemd removal, but dbus et al.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421047 << the mempool system is screamingly idiotic, since day 1
asciilifeform: 'You think Bitbet benefits from the open display of bets and payouts? Fine! Publish them for paid-out bets. Publish a shortened version for active bets, first few digits of the amount, a fragment of the address… publish hashes of the whole data, deedbot them, anything you'd like. Why publish the whole thing, plain text, all the time? What did you imagine would come out of that rabid, unthinking transparency besides empowered
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1420772 << iirc he employs gurlz
asciilifeform: (for n00bz who think 'it is impossible to be sacked from usg' - it is actually very easy. one merely has to be employed as a contractor, of whom there is a dozen or two for every actual 'civil servant', and then you can be fired any hour.)
asciilifeform: i heard that when he died, the very few folks whose employment survived his retirement, were finally sacked.
asciilifeform: PeterL: it is entirely unsusprising that we have empty blocks
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that trb sailed through the july incident while mpb did not.
asciilifeform: d bet money that there is some peculiar mpbism that is being exploited here.
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha so we have mircea_popescu's mpb mysterymeat in the mix.
asciilifeform: 'fata de impins vagoane' !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: virtually nothing to do with computing, works.
asciilifeform: trinque: tcpdump plox.
asciilifeform: shiva was originally part of an attempt to write a debugger to shine some light at this crud
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418801 << 9 times out of 10, it is simply that a new block appears, and has tx-dddos-crapola
asciilifeform: the idea is very simple, anybody who really wants to can pick his favourite nic chipset and implement.
asciilifeform: on ordinary (well, 'pcengines' pancake) computer.
asciilifeform: had an almost-useful x86 decompiler before 'hexray'.
asciilifeform: (the ultimate thermonuclear version of this is to ~randomly generate~ a cpu arch, instantiate on an fpga ~and generate a compiler~, and compile for THAT! and i was very sad as a student to discover that one cristina cifuentes invented this long before i did)
asciilifeform: but this is simply yet another way for mosquitoes to win.
asciilifeform: well we cross-compile.
asciilifeform: phf: well yes, but the result is usually that the compile barfs
asciilifeform: l0l i thought you had his complete worx cached.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a kgb golem, and this is amply documented.
asciilifeform: having actually been tasked with attempting something quite like the peach/pear before.
asciilifeform: 'Unpleasant surprises followed. As leader of the GNU Project, Stallman experienced the first fork of Emacs in 1991. As we will see below by 1993, the GNU Project's completely lost the initiative due to an inability to deliver a working POSIX kernel. In March, 1993, a Wired magazine article by Simson Garfinkel described the GNU Project as "bogged down". GCC fork occurred a several years late
asciilifeform: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed ... '
asciilifeform: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/prophet.shtml#An attempt of hostile takeover of glib << l0l drepper gold
asciilifeform: http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9317-has-linux-lost-its-way-comments-prompt-a-debian-developer-to-revisit-freebsd-after-20-years << in other nyooz.
asciilifeform: not simply 'supports'.
asciilifeform: 'Launching Tor Browser Bundle for Linux in /tmp/tor-browser_en-US XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /tmp/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
asciilifeform: as it dies in the first 20 min. of setup, during the very first compiles
asciilifeform: i draw the line at 'randomly crashes during compiles'
asciilifeform: phun phakt, the x60's original bios has 'computrace' infection, though this is mentioned nowhere in the docs, nor in the original 'bios setup' (normally, they do.)
asciilifeform: almost certainly because the compatibility was a bold-faced lie, and the cpu 'frequency scaling' thing doesn't work.
asciilifeform: a 'technical problem' is simply shorthand for problem where the solution is extremely well-defined. e.g., wire is broken, does not conduct, telegraph does not go. solution is technical - mend wire.
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2014-09/msg00002.html << folks complained in 2014, latest ver STILL DOES
asciilifeform: there are only so many empty primop slots
asciilifeform: 'DoJ is required to cloak NSA-CIA capabilities by pretending full sharing does not take place. Redacted and excluded filings and decisions by DoJ, district, appeal, SCOTUS and FISA courts along with open and classified executive orders by and POTUS, and best of all, classified contracts, implements this. ... Going to court melodramatizes and sanitizes the bung-holing (like USG v. Apple) with in camera, withholding, stonewalli
asciilifeform: and yes, totalitarian state consists of implementing in the flesh, precisely this.
asciilifeform: and were given a computer by catastrophic mistake of history.
asciilifeform: minimal as specified in r5, AND ts does not fully implement r5 (largely in the interest of fits-in-head, but also original author's laziness)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417379 << now this is complicated. commonlisp is standardized (next to ada, ~the~ most standardized language - compliance is iron, and you can actually ~use~ it as per the standard) - BUT - massive, and unsuitable for inclusion in a larger proggy. scheme, on the other hand, is also well-standardized - r5rs (ignore r6 and after, the weevils got to it) BUT the language is unusably
asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
asciilifeform: rpc is an example.
asciilifeform: !s IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK
asciilifeform: when we get a turingcomplete vtron, i will regrind all of my works
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in case you slept through the thread, there are no public implementations in the ordinary sense, of whatever kind.
asciilifeform: any evil empire worth its salt, breeds monsters.
asciilifeform: this may be an MP-complete problem!!1111
asciilifeform: and the bovine empty stare.
asciilifeform: and there is really nothing complicated about the idea of a framebuffer.
asciilifeform: and i had to hunt for ~3 months to get a working example of the x60, also
asciilifeform: every time i come near the temptation to try to produce a 'tmsr linux' affair, i get my face rubbed into the fact that there is no hardware.
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu posting from inside the ring of world championship chessbox match
asciilifeform: 'There are two main components to Baltimore’s “mobility” campaign, which aims to relocate public housing residents to better neighborhoods. Nearly 3,100 participating families, headed almost entirely by single black mothers, have relocated with special subsidies that are designed for high suburban rents; about 1,300 other families will join them over the next three years. Nearly 50 families, including Hill’s, have move
asciilifeform: visit usa ccollege campus. any of'em.
asciilifeform: perhaps compared to the available sample of cattle, sure.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: tesla doesn't need to actually work, in the strict sense, it is specifically targeted at moneyed chumps
asciilifeform: there is literally nothing to test against, to compare with, etc.
asciilifeform: in more than a month of active combing, i was not able to dredge up so much as ONE adult implementation of c-s.
asciilifeform: the fucktards built their 'consensual reality' where 'computer == winblowz' ?? fine. let computer also == paying some nigerian derp every week to decrypt the disk.
asciilifeform: or better yet, 'our company was a victim of my idiot microshit-buying self'
asciilifeform: how come nobody ever writes, 'our company was a victim of microshit' ??
asciilifeform: what happens when it gets dumped into the hopper anyway.
asciilifeform: anybody got a sample of the binary?
asciilifeform: it is exactly the kind of item the chinese excell at, and attempting to compete with them on the field would be moronic.
asciilifeform: 'Like other armies the Germans emplaced booby traps to catch unwary souvenir-hunters, but they also used them to cause casualties among Allied small-unit leaders by locating them in possible command post and observation post sites. One example of this was to conceal a booby trap behind a framed picture left hanging crooked on an interior wall of a house: the Germans reasoned that only an officer would be irritated enough to bo
asciilifeform: table for many finns to take up temporary and low-paying work ...' etc etc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415044 << over here, they run, e.g., university campus heat, off the exhaust of (natural gas) electric turbine.
asciilifeform: usg theoretically demanded a tax stamp.
asciilifeform: ru has perfectly legit title on apt, in comparison.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room.
asciilifeform: and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important...
asciilifeform: this example will suffice.
asciilifeform: and so i feed it a (cleaned-up) mpi
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't think they typically get lump sums, for this reason
asciilifeform: and thereby - comparable.
asciilifeform: i'm simply not entirely convinced that i am not similarly a worm
asciilifeform: i see mircea_popescu's argument, that man cannot compare himself with worm, it operates on null pointer
asciilifeform: the continuing support for winblows, for example.
asciilifeform: i met a man yesterday who now lives there, and hates it, 'rains all the time, like this' (points outside at swamp)
asciilifeform: 'A Computational Introduction to Number Theory
asciilifeform: but arguably had meat component.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414084 << interestingly, no first reaction was 'ugh, idiot lumpen scum, blew loot at retail!?'
asciilifeform: sorta like wagner is ~the~ nazi composer
asciilifeform: i would also suggest that L folks be able to download compressed shitball of backup.
asciilifeform: 'For the C standard library, IncludeOS uses RedHat’s standard library implementation due to its small size, ' << i refuse to read any more of this crapolade.
asciilifeform: (with compression- less...)
asciilifeform: 'A fully virtualized “Hello World” service in IncludeOS (which of course includes the necessary components of the OS) uses only 8.45MB of memory. A Ubuntu 14.04 OS image (the default guest OS for OpenStack) is around 300MB by comparison.' << idiocy. i had linux kernel AND trb in < 5 MB.
asciilifeform: eh its just elementary chumpatronics.
asciilifeform: and is potentially a foundation for sane computing.
asciilifeform: 'So the inevitable question is "how did a jump work?" That was entirely up to the engineer crafting the circuits. The OEN instruction could be used to disable any changes occurring on the output data; at the end of a loop assert OEN and let the machine execute whatever instructions - hopefully NOPs - remained until the PC rolled over. There was a JMP, but that instruction simply toggled an ou
asciilifeform: entomological sample, mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: see, american псикушка is high-tech, spiffy, compared to old sov
asciilifeform: not impossible, but also no reason why they'd stop at cping
asciilifeform: the one that isn't 'affirmative action compliant'
asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/experiment-gets-encryption-key-from-computer-in-another-room-through-the-wall-500701.shtml << for some reason i thought the very same paper by the very same people came out last year ???
asciilifeform: then you : could simply equal '
asciilifeform: for him, quality proggy is something created at a company, by experts, for money.
asciilifeform: it is a braindamaged model of computation that breeds fractal braindamage throughout.
asciilifeform: Jacmet: the background: i originally picked up buildroot to do an arm system build for an obscure box. and then discovered that it is also the only practical means of compiling with musl instead of glibc, for any system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lacking a rigorously narrower complexity class, i am stuck with tc
asciilifeform: the language is gargantuan, just enough parser to ~compile~ is likely to take you a decade to write.
asciilifeform: if only it were so simple. do you notice what most programming types do when they run into a forest ?
asciilifeform: i suppose, like every other time before, i am doomed to demonstrate ~by example~...
asciilifeform: don't need to. but see the thing in question, imho it is more or less the perfect example of what not to do.
asciilifeform: this is where i repeat mircea_popescu's admonition not to eat from dumpsters.
asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield
asciilifeform: show me example ?
asciilifeform: it is almost exemplary of the opposite of what we need here.
asciilifeform: hence turingcompletevtron.
asciilifeform: 1) to have the cpp content of trb asymptotically go to ZERO with time
asciilifeform: for one thing, i won't be implementing list reversal in cpp !
asciilifeform: i did give example.
asciilifeform: it is an example of everything i stand against.
asciilifeform: complete solution made from ~orthogonal pieces~ is the magic sword which weighs as a feather.
asciilifeform: any metric you like - lines, complexity, hours to read
asciilifeform: which is why turingcompletefinalsolution.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this was not clear, there is not presently any such thing as turing-complete diff/patch
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants.
asciilifeform: rhetorical example. imagine we were american grunts. their pin - comes out.
asciilifeform: but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.