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ben_vulpes: << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here
assbot: The Lisp Curse ... ( )
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adlai: !s meth lsd lisp
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mircea_popescu: possibly because nobody here really gives much of a shit about attempt #whatever to misrepresent the world in terms of "herd good, individual bad" yadda yadda ?
mircea_popescu: for that same money, "tmsr will fail because it won't be able to hire enough starbucks barristas and bitcoin will fail because it won't be able to get enough poor africans to spam the blockchain with their irrelevant, unwelcome dust txn"
mircea_popescu: The Lisp Curse does not contradict the maxim of Stanislav Datskovskiy: Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive.
mircea_popescu: holy shit someone quoted alf.\
mircea_popescu: is the world ending ?
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mircea_popescu: "With some justice, JavaScript has been described as "Scheme in C's clothing" despite originating in those cube farm hells."
mircea_popescu: omfg this is epic trollage 10/10
mircea_popescu: i hope he never read it
mircea_popescu: javascript!
mircea_popescu: "The reason why this doesn't happen is because of the Lisp Curse. Large numbers of Lisp hackers would have to cooperate with each other. Look more closely: Large numbers of the kind of people who become Lisp hackers would have to cooperate with each other. And they would have to cooperate with each other on a design which was not already a given from the beginning. And there wouldn't be any external discipline, such as
mircea_popescu: a venture capitalist or other corporate master, to keep them on track."
mircea_popescu: mk, i'm done reading. herpitty-derp, "the only way things can be done is by obama and i wonder why those other people havent' come to an alternative to obama that's obama ? I KNOW! because they can't, that's why! it'd be obama. ha-ha!!1"
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mircea_popescu: but if i like the way rudolf the winestockdeer thinks and designs websites, i'll surely hire him.
ben_vulpes: someone quoted alf << and in 2011 even
mircea_popescu: ima go think and designed some webtits-es. laters.
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assbot: Startups Pitch VCs From Freezing Water - Bloomberg Business ... ( )
punkman: "When set to blocksonly a node behaves normally but sends and receives no loose transactions; instead it handles only complete blocks. Blocksonly reduced the node's bandwidth usage by 88%."
assbot: ANXPRO suspended Bank Wires 10 days ago ... was supposed to only last 48 hours. Time to withdraw my coins ? : Bitcoin ... ( )
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mircea_popescu: <assbot> Time to withdraw my coins ? <<< naaaaa
mircea_popescu: worst possible time to withdraw coins is FUCKING IMMEDIATELY. best possible time is you know, two weeks after the thing disappears. gooooooo reddit!
mircea_popescu: actually the blocksonly thing is not even stupid.
mircea_popescu: difference between mempool-node and blockchain-node should have been made day one, but hey. day 3000 also not bad.
assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
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asciilifeform: << saw this snore ages ago when it appeared in my www logs
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 05:18:19; ben_vulpes: << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here
asciilifeform: still snore.
mircea_popescu: y u no surprise.
asciilifeform: << there used to be a regular thing of 'i can't actually refute but hete's 10,001 random words' claptrap re: my www
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 05:47:49; mircea_popescu: holy shit someone quoted alf.\
asciilifeform: l0l the old dayz, when i used to write...
mircea_popescu: you still write, just... lines.
asciilifeform: i meant, for the heathens.
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asciilifeform: << set min fee to some ridiculous value, and you have a block-only relay...!
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 12:29:29; mircea_popescu: difference between mempool-node and blockchain-node should have been made day one, but hey. day 3000 also not bad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you still talk the txn before rejecting them.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to not send getx
asciilifeform: this would not be a very useful node other than for bootstrapping nodes..?
mircea_popescu: and preserving tghe history and WHAT THE FUCK ALREADY.
mircea_popescu: who puts tits and cunt on the same organic item ?
mircea_popescu: separate. weren't you talking about separation as the basis of engineering ? what became of that ?
asciilifeform: ok i can think of 3 or 4 uses
asciilifeform: but i will have you know that i don't cut the tits from the rest.
asciilifeform: or the legs off the table.
mircea_popescu: not even after it's cooked ?
asciilifeform: only then.
mircea_popescu: maybe there is japanesehope for you.
mircea_popescu: (me as a small child spent a while lost in this entire separator mode)
mircea_popescu: the value of a toy being ~proportional with an exponential of its separability.
asciilifeform: i thought everyone had
mircea_popescu: old pocket watch - best toy. all other toys, downgrade from there.
asciilifeform: anyway i kinda made this node when did the eatblock experiment.
asciilifeform: that was when i learned of the 2 leak types
asciilifeform: (blkindex and the tx retardation)
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.06000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination -
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assbot: trupa ASIA Suna periculos @ TEO by Danyel Cta 360p - YouTube ... ( )
phf: ben_vulpes: << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here << it's a whole genre, with roots in usenet days. "~i~ of course grok lisp, but the masses won't, so i use perl, which is as good, so ya'll should stop whatever you're doing". has the standard reaction of "where the fuck are you idiots coming from". naggum gained his notoriety mostly by arguing with these people,
phf: unsuccessfully
mircea_popescu: more importantly - arguing with these people FROM A POSITION OF EQUALITY.
mircea_popescu: it'd necessarily be and remain unsuccessful, for as long as naggum thinks socialism works, the idiots keep spawning. they come... from him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's say he... hadn't. what then ?
mircea_popescu: you can't posit a negative.
asciilifeform: why the fuck not ?
mircea_popescu: because you have to posit something that can be. negatives can't be - that's what they are, non-being.
mircea_popescu: if you prefer - you can't meta-posit. plox posit like common folk, dismoun.
asciilifeform: fine, let's say he had argued from a position of man-cockroach superiority
mircea_popescu: dismount*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so he has a) other men ; b) some good reason he's entertaining cockroaches ?
mircea_popescu: example :
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:19:55; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: understand that it is never upon the cockroach to explain why man doesn't have house. that's what the duality is all about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, eventually he woke up to the futility of entertaining cockroaches.
asciilifeform: naggum died in '09, his last usened post - circa '04.
mircea_popescu: this is not for a second what's spoken of here.
asciilifeform: *usenet
mircea_popescu: so bum in train station woke up to futility of entertaining cockroaches ? and what, moved on to rats ?
asciilifeform: moved on to ????.
mircea_popescu: how about get a fucking job, buy a house...
mircea_popescu: bum that died in ditch, whether he was or was not playing with cockrtoaches in the few minutes prior, still was and died a bum.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that herr n. had money, which was then taken by the crown, the story is in the logz.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: point remains - no house, how are you man ?
mircea_popescu: boy, perhaps ?
mircea_popescu: one day to be man ?
asciilifeform: for this question, not to me, but straight to primo levi's 'if this is a man'.
phf: i think on top of his fine personal qualities, naggum had an unhealthy obsession, because the system was new and there was no hygiene
asciilifeform: (concerning auschwitz.)
mircea_popescu: phf i do not say this necessarily to bellitle the man in question. but the matter must be said i nthe plainest terms for posteriority.
mircea_popescu: aristotle also did not have condoms, to his detriment, but readily excused.
asciilifeform: i still want to know what mircea_popescu sees naggum as ought to have done.
mircea_popescu: made b-a.
asciilifeform: out of what ?
mircea_popescu: bitch, what is this!
mircea_popescu: "make a house" "out of what" "fuck you."
asciilifeform: srsly bitcoin did not exist.
asciilifeform: l. davinci had a better chance of building a radio set.
asciilifeform: than naggum - b-a.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think this is, school ?
mircea_popescu: "but teacher, this shouldn't be on the exam, we didn't have it in class!"
mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.
mircea_popescu: better get good at reading the future.
asciilifeform: one day, martian ship lands on mircea_popescu's roof. with difficulty, commander directs him to build a new bzorktl to replace the burned out one.
asciilifeform: but yes, condom is on aristotle's exam.
phf: b-a restructured my thinking about how to talk to people, "oh hey ~you~ engaged ~me~, and i'm no longer entertained". to some extent naggum taught a lot of lispers on how to deal with trolls. i saw edi weitz engaged on this subject by random derps at conferences, he nods, politely, once or twice, then walks away. and not just him. but naggum example is very specific to troll engagement, so..
mircea_popescu: phf not a matter of trolls, mind.
asciilifeform: phf: it is an astonishingly valuable tool.
mircea_popescu: trolls are quite respectable fellows
mircea_popescu: idiots are not.
phf: right right
mircea_popescu: and i'm not for a second proposing i'm better or anything. i have the purely accidental benefit of having spent a lot of my youthful years in this position where people did not fucking dare even open the trap. whereas most smart kids of the sort society tends to castrate for fattening live quite otherwise.
mircea_popescu: but all this is besides the point : there's a right way and wrong ways and there's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, capon is the word. the moment you see a kid with a "college education" "despising" violence, you know precisely the fuck's going on. as per alf's discussion of those exploited monkeys, exactly. oxen gathering together to talk out of line about the bull's specific smell.)
asciilifeform: if the only kind of violence you can picture is of the farmer, against your own neck - then yes, pig despises.
asciilifeform: why shouldn't he.
mircea_popescu: this... separation, shall we call it, between intelligent man (ie, he who could put the balls to use) and "orc", ie, man with all the parts still attached is INTEGRAL for ...
mircea_popescu: not for civilisation, mind. for this ugly rat of a creature that is really copyrasty and pretense, part of which pretense is to call self civilisation
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, one of the least civilised things ever contemplated.
asciilifeform: quite arguably rome had it.
mircea_popescu: an empire must have it.
mircea_popescu: rome the worth the mention rome, did not.
mircea_popescu: it instead had the quite plain understanding that civilisation is what happens at the other end of the mentula.
mircea_popescu: or to quote, "mentula cum doleat imperio, tibi, lector, culus. non sum divinus..."
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phf: asciilifeform: see, e.g., harlan ellison << one good thing came out of this guy,
assbot: Hardcore Gaming 101: I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream ... ( )
asciilifeform: phf: i played !
asciilifeform: quite arguably the game owes precious-little to the short story (which i read)
asciilifeform: famously, ellison demanded that there be no way to win.
asciilifeform: publisher overruled.
asciilifeform: ask him, not me
asciilifeform: or read the (pretty cruddy) tale
mircea_popescu: seems like a great idea for a game.
asciilifeform: it is about depression, desperation, and eternal torment.
mircea_popescu: i thought nintendo was predicatedc on this
asciilifeform: mno not in the nintendo sense
asciilifeform: he wanted all paths to lead to square 1
mircea_popescu: better than yet another "Congratulations!" thing
asciilifeform: regardless, it was a very memorable game.
asciilifeform: i still recall the dirigible powered by pain.
assbot: Let's Stream I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 01 - Gorrister - YouTube ... ( )
phf: definitely very memorable game
asciilifeform: 'this lever is labeled MOTIVATOR.'
assbot: Let's Stream I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 01 - Gorrister - YouTube ... ( )
trinque: one of my favorite books.
assbot: Great Scott Gadgets - Low Cost SimpliSafe Attacks ... ( )
mats: moar 'security' products
mats: and these bugs can't be patched.
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PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
danielpbarron: !up ZH3JNii
danielpbarron: !up warptangent_
danielpbarron: !up Keefe_
danielpbarron: !up eric
danielpbarron: !up julmac
danielpbarron: !up da2ce7
ben_vulpes: sheesh
ben_vulpes: i only linked that piece because it quoted stan!
danielpbarron: !up doot
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was no shortage of this crud while i was actively writing for the heathens.
asciilifeform: at one point, one or more / week.
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punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
asciilifeform: consensus!11111
asciilifeform: '‘Ach, sir, it iss worse when they become refractory! One man, I recall, clung to the bars of hiss cage when we went to take him out. You will scarcely credit, sir, that it took six warders to dislodge him, three pulling at each leg. We reasoned with him. “My dear fellow,” we said, “think of all the pain and trouble you are causing to us!” But no, he would not listen! Ach, he wass very troublesome!’'
asciilifeform: ^ related. orwell's 'hanging'.
asciilifeform: (to be read in a proper indian 'spam call center' accent !)
phf: the beatings will continue until consensus is established
punkman: heh
assbot: Gov’t plan for forced use of cards runs into the market’s failure to adapt | Business | ... ( )
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^^ aha, it
asciilifeform just learned about gavin's 'weak blocks,' 'partial blocks', and related recent idiocies, mind blown
asciilifeform: oh, and, 'validationless mining.'
asciilifeform: takes the cake.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: those weak blocks idiocy has been in my lulz hopper for a while
phf: asciilifeform: scheme-knobs is the canonical place to tweak the ifdef's in scheme.c?
asciilifeform: phf: aha.
asciilifeform: i thought this was obvious.
phf: just checking
phf: i'm cleaning up my clang build script, and somehow i lost the *error-hook* functionality. which makes no sense since it wasn't defined anywhere else, but it was definitely working since there's a bunch of catches in swank that i had to write to make sure things don't crash
phf: i'm very confused...
phf: actually that's already defined in scheme.h
asciilifeform: phf: if you find something out of place, feel welcome to move it.
asciilifeform: knobs belong in a knobs.h always.
asciilifeform: that's where sane folks look for them, at any rate.
kakobrekla: < whomever is ddosing f2pool pleae contact me and ill contribute to your efforts
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
asciilifeform: why would a pool even be ddosable. i thought they all used usgflare or whatnot.
kakobrekla: i dont think that works for pooling
trinque: mod6_: V99995 built on deedbox, is now happily munching blocks.
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
assbot: Can Spies Break Apple Crypto? ... ( )
asciilifeform: '"The All Writs Act also requires that the govt prove to the Court that the 3rd party's efforts are *required* -- i.e., that the govt has *exhausted* all other means to achieve the desired result. In particular, that *all* departments of the govt have been consulted, and *none* of them has the required capabilities.'
trinque: thus the fact that usg can compel any company to do anything for any reason loses the pretense of secrecy.
trinque: I've seen various polls of the pasture reporting majority approval of the FBI's "side" of this.
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ben_vulpes: well think of the children trinque
ben_vulpes: we must decrypt the children
ben_vulpes: only a criminal would encrypt a child
ben_vulpes: or a gun
trinque goes to sell children encryption on the dark webs
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bridges Suspected Of Having Unknown Accomplices As Sound Money Undermines Fiat Loyalties -
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'aim at Bridges' --> aimed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: fxd, ty
mircea_popescu: << that'd be "civilised men everywhere" or some such.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 17:05:40; PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
mircea_popescu: humanity. whatever you call it.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
mircea_popescu: << it is pretty lulzy. apparently when you decapitate worms, indistinct spew comes out. who knew.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:57:56; *: asciilifeform just learned about gavin's 'weak blocks,' 'partial blocks', and related recent idiocies, mind blown
asciilifeform: i thought you get 2 worms per.
mircea_popescu: << usgware is weaker than pressed shitboard.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 19:10:20; asciilifeform: why would a pool even be ddosable. i thought they all used usgflare or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy at the too-smart-by-half usg. OH WE CAPTURED GOBAG!!!11
asciilifeform: wtf is gobag
mircea_popescu: you know, like hobag with an accent ?
asciilifeform: ferfuxxsake wtf is hobag
asciilifeform: a hobo's bag ?
mircea_popescu: ok ok. a hobag is just a superlative of ho, which is a ghetto contraction of whore.
asciilifeform: but not a bag thereof ? hm.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a gobag would be, i presume, on the basis of coverage of this shaun bridges proud representative of the usg in all its glory, the thing he was going to run off with
mircea_popescu: ie, the bag of valuable traveling merchants carry on their person, of peculiar interest to rogues
mircea_popescu: be they rogue persons or rogue states.
BingoBoingo: that is what it is
asciilifeform: ah ~that~ bag.
trinque: aka bug-out bag
BingoBoingo: trinque: No, different thing. Bug-out bag is what future refugees pack for when Syria moves to them.
punkman: bug-out bag makes me think of preppers, so useless things inside
BingoBoingo: punkman: Not useless things, refugee things
punkman: they aren't refugess so what do they know
BingoBoingo: No, but that's what they prep for, to be the best refugees they can be
punkman: right, sure
BingoBoingo: I mean what the fuck else do you call someone who "bugs out" with a bag full of stuff as their primary preparation.
punkman: go bag on the other hand, I imagine mostly filled with paper
BingoBoingo: go bag generally is paired with potential destinations
BingoBoingo: packed for a journey to X, Y, or Z
BingoBoingo: bug out bag though is an exercise in playing refugee
assbot: Porn Industry Uses Airbnb, Rental Houses for Filming | NBC Southern California ... ( )
trinque: I bet they don't even Lysol the place after.
trinque: lol
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asciilifeform: << i have no idea whether lafond intentionally plays propagandist for the new gendarmerie. but there it is.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 21:07:40; BingoBoingo:
asciilifeform: somehow i can't picture him enjoying the new federalized police any more than the old local.
asciilifeform: << this one answers an old puzzle in my head...
assbot: JL: Walking in the Street ... ( )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His problem is he publishes too much
assbot: JL: Maneuvering against the All-Weather Hoodrat? ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Inventor versus crackpot is all about what percent of scribblings find the public
assbot: Housing Policies Still Pin Poor in Baltimore, but Some Escape to Suburbs | American Renaissance ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'There are two main components to Baltimore’s “mobility” campaign, which aims to relocate public housing residents to better neighborhoods. Nearly 3,100 participating families, headed almost entirely by single black mothers, have relocated with special subsidies that are designed for high suburban rents; about 1,300 other families will join them over the next three years. Nearly 50 families, including Hill’s, have move
asciilifeform: d into houses owned by the city housing authority in prosperous county communities; 110 more will soon move to houses in strong city neighborhoods.'
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that insane bs.
BingoBoingo: Orcification of viable appearing communities
BingoBoingo: Spread the Poverty!!!
mircea_popescu: idjits expect to spend tax receipts on giving free money to poor people ~enough so they can rent where rich people live~ ?!
mircea_popescu: dude just cook and eat the poor already wtf is this.
BingoBoingo: It's Obama's Amerikka
BingoBoingo: Not cool enough for third K
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is how they double the rents.
phf: i think it's worthwhile to have an emergency bag. i wouldn't want to dig for my passports or backups or search for atms or whatever in a pinch..
asciilifeform: 'mr engineer? we heard that you're not paying your whole salary for rent yet ? here, have some diverse neighbours'
asciilifeform: and doubtless mircea_popescu knows that they aren't spending tax receipts, but printolade.
mircea_popescu: at which point mr engineer beats the shit out of the various derps thinking they're cool and rappers and whatnot, repossesses the black woman and reconstructs his grandfather's mansion
mircea_popescu: in the happy song of yes massah all day long.
phf: what is this, b-a take on tarantino plots
asciilifeform: the 2nd half is perhaps take on 'rambo'
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu posting from inside the ring of world championship chessbox match
mircea_popescu: but you're right, they won't. and you're right, ofcourse - printolade. which also happens to be EXACTLY what mr engineer is paind in, anyway. which is EXACTLY why he won't.
mircea_popescu: same government FOR THE SAME REASONS and in the same ways gives all these niggers the house.
mircea_popescu: whether it's through path a or path b, purely decorative difference.
mircea_popescu: nobody belongs there anyway.
asciilifeform: much plantation, but conspicuously absent is the massa's house.
mircea_popescu: somehow "engineer" coexists with
mircea_popescu: !s "signs of life"
assbot: 5 results for '"signs of life"' :
mircea_popescu: in otherwords, how did you say "ei se fac ca ne platesc, noi ne facem ca muncim" in russian ?
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BingoBoingo: ^ Lulz
asciilifeform: afaik it was originally a ru thing
mircea_popescu: even lisp got bignum these days!
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danielpbarron: >> This comes Trump's << comes as* ?
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assbot: Growing Bitcoin Game Hits High for Single Day Play-Seconds | Qntra ... ( )
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mircea_popescu: he might be ironian.
asciilifeform: lulzily, i recently tried 'trisquel linux' distro on a thinkpad x60, as mentioned, e.g., here, - it croaks on boot during acpi init.
assbot: How to install GNU/Linux on a libreboot system ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'but hey it worked for rms'
asciilifeform: somehow.
phf: "Trisquel [...] derived from another distribution, Ubuntu." ?
asciilifeform: phf: it was pitched as somehow decrufted
asciilifeform: (by the 'libreboot' folks)
phf: ah
phf: did we do the whole debian as gentoo thing conversation?
asciilifeform: not iirc ?
danielpbarron is currently dealing with a debian problem: stuck on "Reading package lists... 0%" and don't want to reboot as per top search result for this string of text
trinque: I've seen all manner of apt-fucked
ben_vulpes: apt-get-fucked
asciilifeform: every time i come near the temptation to try to produce a 'tmsr linux' affair, i get my face rubbed into the fact that there is no hardware.
phf: i'll have to lookup relevant materials, since it's not in logs, but there are some threads on debian (or maybe duvian or whatever it's called) mail, that explain how to setup a semi automated build of deb packages, and there's some equivalent of useflags that let you control the deb build. so can rebuild entire stack into own package repository, have a decrufted b-a apt source, that's not necessarily audited, but at the very least
phf: doesn't have freedesktop/systemd/...
asciilifeform: that is, there is nothing whatsoever that i can rely on other people having, hardware-wise, that can be guaranteed to work
trinque: phf: deedbot sits atop devuan, hasn't offended me just yet
asciilifeform: even supposedly well-documented and 'linuxbiosable' items like the x60 apparently come in undocumented variations that barf
asciilifeform: and i had to hunt for ~3 months to get a working example of the x60, also
trinque: yeap, my attempt at providing a gentoo recipe was instructive.
asciilifeform: (they are few, and getting fewer, unsurprisingly)
trinque: "But this works for me every single time!!"
asciilifeform: trinque: we still have nfi what happened to the gentoo mircea_popescu tried
asciilifeform: trinque: the conversation here is not about headless servers
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> >> This comes Trump's << comes as* ? << ty fxd
phf: i think there are basically 3 parts to custom stack: sane linux, stock tree, pkg system
asciilifeform: but general-purpose dev machine
asciilifeform: phf: the kernel as we all presently have it is the very opposite of sane.
asciilifeform: I DON'T WANT 10,000,001 DEVICE DRIVERS.
asciilifeform: i want ONE PER DEVICE
phf: yeah..
asciilifeform: and a standard, immutable, guaranteed set of devices, which do not try anything 'clever' and cannot communicate with one another except in ways defined by os.
phf: terry davis dat shit. "no framebuffer, no vesa, VGA!"
phf: :>
asciilifeform: i don't even go in for hair shirts
asciilifeform: and there is really nothing complicated about the idea of a framebuffer.
phf: a useful framebuffer is backed by the card specific driver
asciilifeform: no shit
trinque: asciilifeform: yep that recipe I have is just fine for a dev box
asciilifeform: trinque: and when mircea_popescu tells you that it won't see his cdrom drive ?
trinque: it's what I used for my own dev environment, still have that partition around
trinque: asciilifeform: baffled, as it used a genkernel with all modules by default
trinque: I tend to boot with that, then produce a custom kernel config with localyesconfig once booted
trinque: and strip out module loading
asciilifeform: trinque: ever find it interesting that the kernel has no mechanism for telling you what code ~is actually used~ ?
asciilifeform: even though it would be absolutely trivial.
mircea_popescu: compiulere does as much ffs
asciilifeform: actually gcc is pretty terrible at deadcode snip
phf: beos had that systematized, was really handy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr, about 1/2 of a stripped trb binary is openssl crud that is never called.
asciilifeform: (by weight)
phf: or i guess a microkernel by design, rather then "we don't do microkernels, except now we basicall do"
mircea_popescu: i read systemdized and was wtf
phf: usg claims word ownership
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 19:02:32; mircea_popescu: <
trinque: << absolutely nothing surprises me about the smell of evil in the linux kernel
assbot: What you need to know about the CONFIG_KEYS Linux kernel vulnerability | Android Central ... ( )
asciilifeform: stopped reading at 'The kernel needs to have been built with the Keyring service enabled'
trinque: looks to be a deliberate backdoor
trinque: and is perhaps (heh!?!!) not the only one
asciilifeform: nah somebody accidentally tripped over a cosmic ray in the bath
trinque: to your point about "why is there no pruning tool for this thing"
asciilifeform: my point was that there is no actual practical reason why a kernel ought to contain so much as one instruction pertaining to devices that i don't have and will never have on my box.
trinque: indeed.
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to do runtime coverage. every routine starts by setting a flag. ones who never set their flag, get listed as dead code.
asciilifeform: !s facedancer
assbot: 3 results for 'facedancer' :
asciilifeform: ^ commercial tool for exploiting the 'billion buggy device drivers' idiocy
asciilifeform: it's just a box with microcontroller and two usb ends, one for victim, one for operator
asciilifeform: you program it to emulate a usb widget that has exploitable driver in the victim's os.
asciilifeform: the idea is, of course, ancient.
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asciilifeform: i have a similar, handmade instrument here, for years, and know other folks who also.
asciilifeform: phf: gcov is pointedly ~not~ what i want
phf: how come?
asciilifeform: i don't need the granularity
asciilifeform: nor the slowdown
asciilifeform: nor the magic development mode flags.
asciilifeform: it needs to be sop per-install and automatic.
asciilifeform: because there is no fucking reason for it not to be sop.
deedbot-: [Trilema] So you're a rational fellow, right ? -
asciilifeform: phf: let's lay it out, for the n00bz and the not-so-alert-readerz
asciilifeform: EVERY device driver routine, without exception, has some means for determining whether said device is physically present.
asciilifeform: whether by scanning for a particular bus id and then querying, or whatever
asciilifeform: MANDATE CANONICAL LIST of these.
asciilifeform: !up minzieee
asciilifeform: this is elementarily obvious.
asciilifeform: minzieee: and who might you be ?
mircea_popescu: !up minzieee
minzieee: Anyone can help me setting up qt trader?
assbot: Qt Bitcoin Trader [Open Source secure trading client for Mac/Windows/Linux] ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform admire the craftiness of imbecility. derp was here asking about wanting to DO it a week or so ago, etc.
asciilifeform: wai wut?!
asciilifeform: which it
mircea_popescu: "oh how do i trade from qt" bla bla
asciilifeform: astonishing
kakobrekla: there we go
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 473250 @ 0.00056663 = 268.1576 BTC [+] {28}
assbot: BitBet - The next US President will be female :: 0.21 B (50%) on Yes, 0.21 B (50%) on No | closing in 8 months 5 days | weight: 73`472 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
kakobrekla: odd time of even bets, see also trump and alphago.
shinohai: trifecta
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.up:1d50e6329b5b6cd32d2daf9aa32379ff168977970316ffe31bf814575d18afb5
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asciilifeform: woah havel0l still exists?!
asciilifeform: << claims to be a nyooer, better!!111 cramer-shoup.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00057852 = 28.8971 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;google luciferin
gribble: Luciferin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Firefly luciferin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Luciferin - The Bioluminescence Web Page: <>
BingoBoingo: ;;google bulk luciferin
gribble: D-Luciferin K salt | Dojindo - Dojindo Molecular Technologies: <>; StayBrite™ Highly Stable Luciferase & Related Products | BioVision ...: <>; D-Luciferin (sodium salt) (CAS 103404-75-7) (Inchi key ...: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
BingoBoingo: fuck, 200 kilodollars per kg
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. so i go to grande fiesta argentina club/teatro blabla bla. one girl in a corset, the other girl in a cuntskirt, nice stuff. i get there, it's a dingy fucking affair the likes you've never seen, and a bunch of retards in jeans and tshirts queued around the fucking corner waiting for the shithole to open.
mircea_popescu: i end up spending 150 pesos on cabs and 50 pesos on coffee across the fucking square, because argentines are truly and utterly retarded. why make a grand off a fellow when you could just as well make nothing at all and go home to the tv ?
mircea_popescu: on that same square, a mcdonalds on two fucking levels. larger than the supposed club. better light, better accomodation throughout. this brings them no fucking thoughts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whatever you have in mind, almost certainly can be done without luciferin...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thing can be done, but not with the same novelty along the way.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00057538 = 4.8332 BTC [-] {2}
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