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asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-13#1028215 << asciilifeform recs to have a toggle for multipart (switch it on when errybody tuned in actually has a pestron that eats'em)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-13 23:04:23 awt_akris[awt]: Just realized that, until the loggers are updated to use akris, multipart messages will not show up in the www logs.
asciilifeform: ( default to off )
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-13#1028214 << erry coupla months asciilifeform loox for e.g. 'pest p2p' in various search engines , see whether sumbody sumwhere in heathendom had mentioned it
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-13 21:04:18 awt: How did you find the article?
asciilifeform: !!ticker btc usd
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: awt_akris: sure, done
signpost[asciilifeform] is very fucking suspicious of the CEO of blackrock suddenly being a bitcoin evangelist on normie TV.
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: likewise, i don't like that one bit
signpost[asciilifeform]: either they know the situation for USD is catastrophic rather than just bad, or Bitcoin was a USG project like tor.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I don't see a third.
signpost[asciilifeform]: blackrock is one of the most powerful forces driving esg marxism.
billymg[asciilifeform]: third could be setting up for a repeat of "lift exchange rate in plane then drop" (TM) asciilifeform
signpost[asciilifeform]: you'd have to explain why they are willing to make themselves look like shit by promoting a dogshit ETF, then.
billymg[asciilifeform]: as in, look like shit when the ETF tanks after the pump?
signpost[asciilifeform]: this looks like they're going to use bitcoin as an airlift for the wealthy.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I for the record don't buy at all the "lift and drop" notion. each one of these occurred after a supply choke.
signpost[asciilifeform]: a short-term speculative bubble followed by a collapse back to cost (of mining) is exactly what'd be expected after those.
billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-14#1028234 << i don't see why this would be a problem, everyone already had 13 years to buy btc
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 11:49:40 signpost: this looks like they're going to use bitcoin as an airlift for the wealthy.
signpost[asciilifeform]: no, there is an absurdly higher amount of wealth in USD than in Bitcoin.
signpost[asciilifeform]: for now, anyway.
signpost[asciilifeform]: imagine you're holding commercial real estate bags right now, or an ever-narrower number of stonks.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: I think BTC has usg support. Don't know if originally an op.
billymg[asciilifeform]: signpost: i guess i'm not seeing the problem. if your bags are already packed, where's the downside in fiat money / distressed assets flooding into btc all of a sudden?
signpost[asciilifeform]: ah none at all, but it's weird!
billymg[asciilifeform]: other than maybe now you've got a target on your back, from lizards who "that's too much for a pleb to have" to your jealous neighbors whose bags weren't packed
signpost[asciilifeform]: there were old threads about btc infiltrating old institutions and bending them around it.
billymg[asciilifeform]: signposts: the "bitcoin corrupts" angle?
signpost[asciilifeform]: *if* bitcoin turned out to have been a USG project, that would have to update my perspective on the effectiveness of USG.
signpost[asciilifeform]: or yes, if bitcoin's finally bending the largest piles of wealth on earth toward itself, that's also a marvel.
signpost[asciilifeform]: but there are mixtures of most of his scenarios happening all together.
signpost[asciilifeform]: except sadly the coming to timisoara to kiss the ring.
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost: yes definitely a mixture. I suppose the raising of interest rates could be considered a government revolt.
signpost[asciilifeform] also recalls either a thread or post where the idea that Bitcoin may be the lizards allowing the lizard-caste blood to be refreshed by techbros was discussed.
signpost[asciilifeform]: "eh whatever, let a few of them in. most of them will fall right back out after"
asciilifeform: signpost: was this thrd ( where asciilifeform not bought theory )
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-12-17 billymg: the hypothesis i was trying to lay out earlier is that anyone successfully securing some coin has already been inaugurated into their ranks
signpost[asciilifeform]: ah, as usual I updated the thing as I remembered it.
signpost[asciilifeform] claims this is how they get the intelligent to keep them in place, with a dangled hope of getting in.
signpost[asciilifeform]: thanks for bitcoin, now eat shit and die again.
asciilifeform: signpost: the plebe-popularization of 'stonks' in 1920s was the original 'dangle hope' arguably
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-14#1028249 << good % of errything that's happened 'in bitcoin space' since '13 or so -- imho screamingly obv. usg firefighting efforts (goxes, bigbloxisms, 'legalization' for papercoin issuance, shitcoin proliferation, etc, younameit)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 12:02:39 signpost: *if* bitcoin turned out to have been a USG project, that would have to update my perspective on the effectiveness of USG.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I wouldn't shock at one chunk of USG doing something the rest doesn't like, but the "bitcoin corrupts" interpretation seems likelier.
asciilifeform: difficult to argue that any of it was particularly 'effective' tho , given the likely orig. objective
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-12-17 asciilifeform: their original, in my cosmography, objective, was to defend printoladism by making sure btc not only fails but craters in such a way as to be remembered for 1000y
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: to me explained by greed, stupidity, incompetence.
signpost[asciilifeform]: nah, I mean there were plenty of glowies in early prb
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-14#1028243 << 'btc' aint quite a single thing. the aspects that have usg support -- aint the ones e.g. asciilifeform interested in , and aint even necessarily the same set of aspects from pov of all factions of usg muppe
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-11-19 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 11:58:43 awt_akris[awt]: I think BTC has usg support. Don't know if originally an op.
asciilifeform: signpost: watsa 'glowie' ?
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: tru signpost, for ex. the american/brittish sabateurs. Andreesen, that other guy that tried to add ssl.
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: short for "glow nigger", which i believe originated as a terry davisism (not sure). used a lot on 4chan. means basically federal agent
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-14#1028228 << prb is most certainly 'project like tor'. at same time usd is presently where ruble was in 1991. certain faction of reich oligarchs would like equiv. of 1991 deutschmark, usd, etc.,
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 11:45:55 signpost: either they know the situation for USD is catastrophic rather than just bad, or Bitcoin was a USG project like tor.
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-06-07 asciilifeform: ru storyteller v. pelevin had a scene where 'we had sovok, but to ours, people could bring bootleg jeans and music. and it was even possible to get out. now you have one in usa, but there is important difference : no one will bring bootleg jeans to it, and no one will get out, because it hasn't got an outside'
asciilifeform: 'outsides' are only effective on a 'thermodynamic gradient' tho -- sumbody has to be stuck on the 'inside', at whose expense to win.
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-03-31 phf: there's a handful of famous (second hand, i've never pursued, but "everyone knows") of some loud mouth hodl personality get robbed at gun point for coins
asciilifeform 13y in, sumwhat surprised by the relative rarity of rectothermal mining. evidently there aint so many folx with the 2 req'd skill sets overlapping, outside of the usg dungeons
asciilifeform: even usg mostly favours the german algo -- is over9000x cheaper, given as can be applied to arbitrary mass, rather than requiring individual 'treatment'
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-03-31 asciilifeform: i.e. the german j00 gold extraction algo.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 12:01:39 billymg: other than maybe now you've got a target on your back, from lizards who "that's too much for a pleb to have" to your jealous neighbors whose bags weren't packed
signpost[asciilifeform]: yeah, this one doesn't worry me more or less than random thug breaking in for the TV.
signpost[asciilifeform]: shotgun works for both.
signpost[asciilifeform]: or doesn't, depending. doesn't change the odds on it.
asciilifeform: to spell it out: the reich is counting on hodlers to sell, 'entirely voluntarily', from penury, from panic, from 'looxy, it's 100k!111 aint that enuff', etc
asciilifeform: over9000 simpler, and nobody has to stare down shotgun
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-14#1028254 << perhaps lulzily, the very reason bitcoin is still interesting imho is precisely that it's successfully fended off all attempts -- by anyone whatsoever -- to create such a 'kissing ring'
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-12-17 asciilifeform: re upstack , imho important q for any participant to answer ~for himself~, 'does bitcoin work? what does it mean for it to work?' (see also e.g.)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 12:13:27 signpost: except sadly the coming to timisoara to kiss the ring.
signpost[asciilifeform]: kinda what I was bemused at. larry fink et al being perhaps the next ones so thwarted.
asciilifeform strongly suspects that buncha more prospective 'ringwraiths' will have to drink to death, drown, etc. before the lesson is learned (if ever at all learned, lol)
asciilifeform: nobody needs ringwraiths, just like nobody needs lice
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-07-18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046538 << 'hey, i know what we were missing: a dowager empress' said afaik nobody anywhere
asciilifeform: let'em have pissing contests with the ocean, wainot.
signpost[asciilifeform]: makes one almost hopeful, that nature itself may be ordered such that humans emit sane culture when in the presence of an object such as bitcoin.
signpost[asciilifeform]: would be nice.
asciilifeform: poseidon happily takes in the persistently insane. (not always as fast as one'd like, but he aint in any hurry)
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Xerxes gave him a good lashing tho!
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-14#1028226 << asciilifeform ftr not convinced there's anyffin to be gained by paying any attention to who is pumping wat on normie-tv
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-06-14 asciilifeform: for folx who believe they can infer , from public givens, when a pyramid is to fall -- there is ~inf dough
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-07-14 11:44:37 signpost: is very fucking suspicious of the CEO of blackrock suddenly being a bitcoin evangelist on normie TV.
asciilifeform: it aint even a good 'sell!111' signal (as nobody but the perp has any idea when 'hour x' is to be)
asciilifeform: 'if yer reading it, it's for you'(tm)(r)(tlp)
asciilifeform: ...if yer trading on a signal straightforwardly inferred from public givens, yer walking into the mousetrap.
signpost[asciilifeform]: hm, actually no, and logs don't have any incoming connections.
signpost[asciilifeform]: I wonder if the damned ISP is interfering. port's open but reports as filtered from external nmap.
asciilifeform: signpost: konsoomer isp ?
signpost[asciilifeform]: not surprised.
asciilifeform: signpost: with nat ?
asciilifeform in erry case to date, found that it was the nat, rather than upstream
signpost[asciilifeform]: fiddling with iptables currently
signpost[asciilifeform]: fff iptables parameters in wrong order. fixed.
signpost[asciilifeform]: ty billymg for asking, and asciilifeform for reality check
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Color coded timestamps to indicate immediate vs. hearsay: https://imgur.com/a/5Xx8Rba
asciilifeform: awt_akris: nifty. ( idea: wainot display [][] linx www-style, i.e. show only the caption but orig. link on mouseover )
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: I've made a few attempts, but my regex foo failed me. Will try again.
asciilifeform: awt: see if can crib the 1 from logotron
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: Had one semi-working but discovered it only substituted *first* link in the message. Not hard to fix.
signpost[asciilifeform]: \[([^\]y ]*)\]\[([^\]y ]*)\]
signpost[asciilifeform]: wait, dunno where the Ys came from.
signpost[asciilifeform]: \[([^\]]+?)\]\[([^\]]+?)\]
signpost[asciilifeform]: man this is uniquely horrible for proximity to op chars
signpost[asciilifeform]: \[([^\[\]]+?)\]\[([^\[\]]+?)\]
signpost[asciilifeform]: stab at ungreedy anything but the delimiters inside the delimiters
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=r2TX << this seems to work, but not sure yet how to iterate over each [][] in a message.
signpost[asciilifeform]: isn't there a `matches` method in python, or search? something like that.
signpost[asciilifeform]: awt_akris: I think yours will eat a stray [ or ] earlier or later than the link
signpost[asciilifeform]: maybe not since ungreedy
awt_akris[asciilifeform]: signpost: upstream, re.finditer() may do the trick.
signpost[asciilifeform]: seems like the distinction is whether ya want malformed links to be apparent before or after you click.
signpost[asciilifeform]: p sure mine puts the breakage outside the link since it excludes the delimiter.
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