thimbronion: asciilifeform: isn't it interesting how the current dekulakization seems reasonable to enough people, just like the last one?
thimbronion: Clearly we must destroy retail because of covid! Well, actually, we must destroy retail because of racism. Weird to see the dekulakization logic switch so fast.
BingoBoingo: Well, this herd is more derealized than the last one it seems
asciilifeform: thimbronion, BingoBoingo : lol had to read this 2x , at first thought this were comment on mp's thefts
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-06-07 jurov: diana_coman: appears you don't in fact need my input to publish loaded commentary, where these involved too call me names behind my back.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-06-07 diana_coman: jurov no idea what behind your back; but no, I am not interested to hear anything further from you.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-06-07 deedbot: diana_coman rated asciilifeform -3 at 2020/06/06 14:08:50 << http://ossasepia.com/2020/06/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jun-2020/#1026915
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-06-07 diana_coman: trinque I thought !!up worked for those with positive rating from me? anyways, not all that important anymore either way I suppose.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you've been delicately quiet on the subj, but i'd find it interesting to hear yer pov
asciilifeform: e.g. what's the diff, other than the napoleonic pretense, b/w mp's theft of jurov's coin, and karneles of gox ? or what's the diff b/w mp's pretense of ownership of tbf (where his name is not in charter) and gavin's pretense of ownership of orig client ? etc
asciilifeform: *karpeles
jurov: asciilifeform: I don't think pressuring people helps.
asciilifeform: jurov: prolly not. but imho folx silently nodding , and then dropping off net in fustration like mod6, also sad.
asciilifeform: wb shinohai
shinohai: ty asciilifeform ... had to switch to back znc box, isp down yet again
asciilifeform: ( insert rk spam here )
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asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 11 nodes...
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All of the [post-closure sadness][http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-06-07#1014345] is dwarfed for me by the realization that there was a point where the Republic had momentum... Then sometime between late 2015-early 2017 there was a fizzling out. We had the lightening in our hands during and incredibly ripe window and... we seem to have lost it then.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-07 08:55:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you've been delicately quiet on the subj, but i'd find it interesting to hear yer pov
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hm, do you see the entire piz period as in 'losing momentum' era ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Looking at the Piz period it seems to have been late. I believe you had referred to the enemy's behavior during that period as "studious ignoring". Contrast to 2015 when the enemy was still fighting and losing. It's insane, but I find it hard to see anything other than the derpy mass derealizing their hallucinated victories into something like an actual victory, woe unto the victors.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i see it, after the bbet incident enemy realized that all he needs to do is to wait for mp to score sufficiently many own goals .
asciilifeform: ( the actual, that is , enemy ; not the gaggle of uncoordinated shitcoin enthusiasts and similar stray dogs )
BingoBoingo: A bigger inflection point than the BBet thing seemed to be Trump's election making people who would have been open to Republic instead hallucinating the guy at the top of USG being their imaginary best friend for two years.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may recall asciilifeform's hypothesis , that this was the whole point of setting up trump & co
BingoBoingo: When that happened that alt-alt folks all went pro-USG
asciilifeform: it aint pulled straight outta my arse, we had this in sovok
asciilifeform: zhirinovsky.
asciilifeform: fella was (by kgb) put in charge of '1st non-kpss political party'
asciilifeform: promised all kindsa things.
asciilifeform: in usa, the entire existence of 'republican' party is a long-running project in same vein. it was wearing out, tho, so they hired a zhirik.
asciilifeform: ( unsurprisingly, picked from caste of 'make billions by direct connection to printing press' 'businessmen' )
asciilifeform: not that it makes much diff who they hire as figurehead .
BingoBoingo: Anyways, one of the upsides of throwing myself at the streaming thing is getting to throw myself in the muck of humanity and spread the "US is not a free country" message. It probably would have been more impactful in 2015, but... Maybe the USG pantsuits do this dark age decline thing fast enough that they expose the soft underbelly sooner rather than later?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe i'm thick but in my pov is rather like spreading 'sky is blue' message..
BingoBoingo: And yet... derps need to be told sky is blue now because so many of them went full nocturnal in their non-essentiality
asciilifeform: to asciilifeform , the q was always 'does usa have an outside?' .
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating -- i'm not currently convinced that it does.
asciilifeform: ru storyteller v. pelevin had a scene where 'we had sovok, but to ours, people could bring bootleg jeans and music. and it was even possible to get out. now you have one in usa, but there is important difference : no one will bring bootleg jeans to it, and no one will get out, because it hasn't got an outside'
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