vex: have you ever read any of my literotica verisimilitude?
vex: it's much more accessible than mp's bullshit
vex: millions of sluts get off to it
vex: sneaky undercovers
verisimilitude: Mine's masterful, matches most, maybe mocks.
vex: I kinda assummed you were alone
vex: you'll have to introduce me
vex: no mrs verisimilitude he'll come to no harm. back soon
verisimilitude: Alone and apathetic, always am.
vex: fair enough
vex: do you like boys or gals or none?
vex: has ur mom got kik? i'll ask her if you're allowed to come to freance to shoot pigs with a very gentle bow & arrow
verisimilitude: NĒMŌ NĒMINIS
vex: mu chainsaw says explain it in modern english
vex: mu keyboRD DOESNT HAVE THE UMLAUTS
verisimilitude: NĒMŌ NĒMINIS: Nobody
vex: mhm. /me takes notes
vex: thta's everything?
vex: how much notpaper did you grind thru learning latin?
verisimilitude: Stop submitting shit.
vex: rawlins learned to box in the kitchen
vex: awesome defence
verisimilitude: Protective, Perhaps.
vex: I like her
vex: not pregnant by musk yet
vex: zehani also not verisimilitude
vex: when the plumbing is correct; it's a golden toilet
vex: and a 223
vex goes to find meat
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-29#1104124 << Bsides, cybersecurity conference. Not quite sure I want to pursue a career in an industry I intend to obsolete.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-29 18:06:52 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-27#1103905 what's the topic? anything I might be interested in?
crtdaydreams: But I thought it would be interesting to go along, perhaps an opportunity to expand my WoT.
crtdaydreams: Might be quite bizarre for some of the city folk to see a bush mechanic snooping around in a cybersecurity conference
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-29#1104133 << is that how your purchase of monsoon dervish went down?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-29 20:05:50 vex: or we have to be soberish at 2 am to call the publisher "how's it going mate"?
crtdaydreams: this fucking wind man
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104265 lamb chops tonight?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 01:50:47 vex: goes to find meat
phf: but so much for "small code bespoke software"!
asciilifeform: phf: not familiar with subj, but how 'small' ?
asciilifeform from cursory look into openbsdism remembers concluding 'same c liquishit hairball as errywhere else'
asciilifeform got nowhere near as far as phf with practical use of openbsd, barfed rather early in the process
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-01-13 asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely
phf: everything's a compromise. i've hacked on linux kernel in the early 2000s when i didn't know anything from anything (i had major patches against orinoco wifi driver, mac ppc), but i wouldn't attempt that now. openbsd's kernel is still "hacked by frens" with no bigco pajeet branches. i quite like that. but lack of flavors in ports is annoying, considering that they functionality is there
phf: most bsd tools are smaller compared to their gnu counterparts (i'd say on average 1/3 of all possible flags), and openbsd did a handful of tool rewrites and integrations that i quite like, even if some of them verge on the border of "modern!1"
phf: e.g. one of my favorites is that "wpa_supplicant" is part of ifconfig, i.e. `ifconfig nwid foo wpakey bar up`. it's small feature, but it's kind of obvious
phf: i quite like that openbsd (and that comes from freebsd) preserved oss, and extended it in a sensible way to support the various features that were used as excuse to do the original poetterism, pulseaudio. openbsd still has /dev/sound to which you can cat a sun au and get audio. or you configure its byte/sample/etc size and stream something else
phf: tbh i don't think it'll last, i've migrated to openbsd from freebsd which imho went to shit
phf: (i'll let you know re size of httpd in a second, out in the deplorables land have been having electric issue, because of a recent storm. electric been going in and out, so i decided fuck it, brought all ups, systems down, waiting for openbsd to check out to the laptop i'm on)
phf: smallest practical c httpd daemon i have is althttp.c which is 2k c loc, that's from sqlite guy
signpost: yeah, that's what I'm running on deedbot.org too
signpost: same box as my blog
asciilifeform: phf: interesting. sorta like 'linux from 10y ago' at any given time
signpost doesn't expect to get an urge for minimalism satisfied by anything that can do useful work as a server, but openbsd does at least usually work out of the box with minimal wtf
asciilifeform can see why one might want to revive bsd
signpost: ran business servers on the thing too, zero complaints.
asciilifeform has 1 remaining openbsd box -- toshiba 'libretto'. was the 1 and only thing could get reasonably runnable on it, as support for truly ancient irons evaporated from linux long ago
phf: i too have openbsd running on a libretto. in fact when i got trb working on openbsd in 2016 or so, immediately attempted to run the executable on libretto, and realized that unlike linux, openbsd doesn't have stable abi. trb booted, but then choked somewhere in threading code
verisimilitude: OpenBSD's only obstinate, obviously.
verisimilitude: Offhandedly, OpenBSD's obstinate or obnoxious.
verisimilitude: Anyway, all attempts at alteration are agonizing.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104281 << fwiw asciilifeform as recently as '18 was patching 'for own kitchen' ( baked a kernel compat. with 'M' , iirc to this day not published patch from lack of detectable interest , tho the bootable image is there in the 1st article ) , did not take over9000 elbow grease
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 14:58:11 phf: everything's a compromise. i've hacked on linux kernel in the early 2000s when i didn't know anything from anything (i had major patches against orinoco wifi driver, mac ppc), but i wouldn't attempt that now. openbsd's kernel is still "hacked by frens" with no bigco pajeet branches. i quite like that. but lack of flavors in ports is annoying, considering that they functionality is there
asciilifeform: ( took 1 of the off-the-shelf mips kernel 'machine' sets, put in routines for the basic 'devices' in 'm' )
asciilifeform: err, '19
asciilifeform: arguably this is why over9000 obscure irons supported by linuxkernel -- because not in fact difficult to glom'em on
phf: asciilifeform: this could also be the case of "the fuck is this faggot ass shit" which is usually followed 1-2 hours later by "oh hmm well maybe maybe, i get it, it's shit but i get it" followed by another two hours of "well, i don't know if it can be done any other way really"
phf: i just haven't bothered to put those first two hours with recent linux kernel yet
asciilifeform: phf: entirely. and there's rarely any reason to do it (how often one bakes de novo irons, or even excavates an ancient one for which 0 existing module, that even needs one)
phf: by the time i was tmsr i was already running mac os for like a decade
asciilifeform: iirc at one pt someone ( bvt ? ) was trying to wire fg into kernel
phf: ironically switched to mac os because "if poeterring might as well something that just works", now at a point where mac os doesn't just work anymore
asciilifeform still has a crapple in the rack, moar or less reserved for 'toilet' chores -- runs printers, scanners, the occasional misc. piece of shit periph
asciilifeform: video conferencing bullshit, etc
asciilifeform: can't wait to throw that thing out -- it bloats like botulismic tinned can ~erryyr like fucking clockwork, 'needs new battery' despite ~never running off the battery
asciilifeform: ( but won't boot w/out one , either, Because Reasons (tm) )
asciilifeform recalls decade+ ago thinking similarly to phf's , 'hey almost a commercial unix', 'iron justworx(tm) but can open a bash , unlike winblowz box' etc
asciilifeform: but at this pt moar or less exactly same 'feel' as a microshit box, except with even moar flaky iron
asciilifeform recalls travails of folx trying to get fg going under crapple. where, apparently, can't switch off flow control from serial port (or, at any rate, no one found precisely how)
asciilifeform: iirc thing ate 'stty' w/ the correct args, then proceeded to... do nuffin
asciilifeform: (quite typical behaviour of crapple's os when asked to 'behave unixfully' in some corner case)
asciilifeform: ( ftr -- with flow control 'on', one gets spurious control chars in yer random soup, catastrophically blowing the uniformity of the output )
asciilifeform: ( or, to be pedantic -- they get ~omitted~ from the set of possible bytes outputted, as they get interpreted )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 13:41:55 asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: consider a lulzy pete_d incident: in '17, he buys a FG, but unable to get it going, largely because he had purchased it simply as 'in-group signal' i suspect. in '19 turned his unit into a 'modern art' installation.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104308 Unimaginative underachievers unknowingly use utterly ugly UNIXen, unfalteringly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 17:25:09 phf: asciilifeform: this could also be the case of "the fuck is this faggot ass shit" which is usually followed 1-2 hours later by "oh hmm well maybe maybe, i get it, it's shit but i get it" followed by another two hours of "well, i don't know if it can be done any other way really"
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: unappealing, undead unoperatingsystem; unremarkable
phf: verisimilitude is of course posting his deep insights from an apl machine, get the fuck out here.
phf: there's of course a periodic thread on subj http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-02-06#1010387 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-02-06#1010388
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-02-06 asciilifeform: 'Violent criminals often use an expression auxiliary to My head went when explaining their deeds: It wasnt me. Here is the psychobabble of the slums, the doctrine of the Real Me as refracted through the lens of urban degradation. The Real Me has nothing to do with the phenomenal me, the me that snatches old ladies bags, breaks into other peoples houses, beats up my wife and children, or repeatedly dr
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-02-06 asciilifeform: inks too much and gets involved in brawls. No, the Real Me is an immaculate conception, untouched by human conduct: it is that unassailable core of virtue that enables me to retain my self-respect whatever I do. What I am is not at all determined by what I do; and insofar as what I do has any moral significance at all, it is up to others to ensure that the phenomenal me acts in accordance with the Real Me.'
verisimilitude: It's irrelevant, isn't it?
phf: err, asciilifeform is there a way to search your logs by an uinterupted sequence of characters, e.g. btcbase lets you search "real me" (though at also greps lots of `real men`), but on logs it seems to do something odd
phf: verisimilitude: no, there's of course a point, but like with the proverbial flies in eyes, can't see they are there cause they are there
verisimilitude: Enlighten everyone, emissary.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104339 << nope. it's prolly the most annoyingly missing feature atm
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 19:07:57 phf: err, asciilifeform is there a way to search your logs by an uinterupted sequence of characters, e.g. btcbase lets you search "real me" (though at also greps lots of `real men`), but on logs it seems to do something odd