#asciilifeform | 2022-05-30

crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-29#1104124 << Bsides, cybersecurity conference. Not quite sure I want to pursue a career in an industry I intend to obsolete.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-29 18:06:52 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-27#1103905 what's the topic? anything I might be interested in?

crtdaydreams: But I thought it would be interesting to go along, perhaps an opportunity to expand my WoT.

crtdaydreams: Might be quite bizarre for some of the city folk to see a bush mechanic snooping around in a cybersecurity conference

crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-29#1104133 << is that how your purchase of monsoon dervish went down?

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-29 20:05:50 vex: or we have to be soberish at 2 am to call the publisher "how's it going mate"?

crtdaydreams: this fucking wind man

crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104265 lamb chops tonight?

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 01:50:47 vex: goes to find meat

phf: hmm, openbsd's httpd keeps crashing, and i can't find the source of bug

phf: but so much for "small code bespoke software"!

asciilifeform: phf: not familiar with subj, but how 'small' ?

asciilifeform from cursory look into openbsdism remembers concluding 'same c liquishit hairball as errywhere else'

asciilifeform got nowhere near as far as phf with practical use of openbsd, barfed rather early in the process

dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-01-13 asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely

phf: everything's a compromise. i've hacked on linux kernel in the early 2000s when i didn't know anything from anything (i had major patches against orinoco wifi driver, mac ppc), but i wouldn't attempt that now. openbsd's kernel is still "hacked by frens" with no bigco pajeet branches. i quite like that. but lack of flavors in ports is annoying, considering that they functionality is there

phf: most bsd tools are smaller compared to their gnu counterparts (i'd say on average 1/3 of all possible flags), and openbsd did a handful of tool rewrites and integrations that i quite like, even if some of them verge on the border of "modern!1"

phf: e.g. one of my favorites is that "wpa_supplicant" is part of ifconfig, i.e. `ifconfig nwid foo wpakey bar up`. it's small feature, but it's kind of obvious

phf: i quite like that openbsd (and that comes from freebsd) preserved oss, and extended it in a sensible way to support the various features that were used as excuse to do the original poetterism, pulseaudio. openbsd still has /dev/sound to which you can cat a sun au and get audio. or you configure its byte/sample/etc size and stream something else

phf: tbh i don't think it'll last, i've migrated to openbsd from freebsd which imho went to shit

phf: (i'll let you know re size of httpd in a second, out in the deplorables land have been having electric issue, because of a recent storm. electric been going in and out, so i decided fuck it, brought all ups, systems down, waiting for openbsd to check out to the laptop i'm on)

phf: obhttpd 7k c, 2k yacc, 1k header loc

phf: compared with lighttpd 77k c 30k bash 12k header 11k m4 ...

phf: smallest practical c httpd daemon i have is althttp.c which is 2k c loc, that's from sqlite guy

phf: and to clarify obhttpd is enough to run mpwp, including the named redirects

phf: e.g. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/coppa-airlines-baggage/

signpost: yeah, that's what I'm running on deedbot.org too

signpost: same box as my blog

asciilifeform: phf: interesting. sorta like 'linux from 10y ago' at any given time

signpost doesn't expect to get an urge for minimalism satisfied by anything that can do useful work as a server, but openbsd does at least usually work out of the box with minimal wtf

asciilifeform can see why one might want to revive bsd

signpost: ran business servers on the thing too, zero complaints.

asciilifeform has 1 remaining openbsd box -- toshiba 'libretto'. was the 1 and only thing could get reasonably runnable on it, as support for truly ancient irons evaporated from linux long ago

phf: i too have openbsd running on a libretto. in fact when i got trb working on openbsd in 2016 or so, immediately attempted to run the executable on libretto, and realized that unlike linux, openbsd doesn't have stable abi. trb booted, but then choked somewhere in threading code

verisimilitude: OpenBSD's only obstinate, obviously.

verisimilitude: Offhandedly, OpenBSD's obstinate or obnoxious.

verisimilitude: Anyway, all attempts at alteration are agonizing.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104281 << fwiw asciilifeform as recently as '18 was patching 'for own kitchen' ( baked a kernel compat. with 'M' , iirc to this day not published patch from lack of detectable interest , tho the bootable image is there in the 1st article ) , did not take over9000 elbow grease

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 14:58:11 phf: everything's a compromise. i've hacked on linux kernel in the early 2000s when i didn't know anything from anything (i had major patches against orinoco wifi driver, mac ppc), but i wouldn't attempt that now. openbsd's kernel is still "hacked by frens" with no bigco pajeet branches. i quite like that. but lack of flavors in ports is annoying, considering that they functionality is there

asciilifeform: ( took 1 of the off-the-shelf mips kernel 'machine' sets, put in routines for the basic 'devices' in 'm' )

asciilifeform: err, '19

asciilifeform: arguably this is why over9000 obscure irons supported by linuxkernel -- because not in fact difficult to glom'em on

phf: asciilifeform: this could also be the case of "the fuck is this faggot ass shit" which is usually followed 1-2 hours later by "oh hmm well maybe maybe, i get it, it's shit but i get it" followed by another two hours of "well, i don't know if it can be done any other way really"

phf: i just haven't bothered to put those first two hours with recent linux kernel yet

asciilifeform: phf: entirely. and there's rarely any reason to do it (how often one bakes de novo irons, or even excavates an ancient one for which 0 existing module, that even needs one)

phf: by the time i was tmsr i was already running mac os for like a decade

asciilifeform: iirc at one pt someone ( bvt ? ) was trying to wire fg into kernel

phf: ironically switched to mac os because "if poeterring might as well something that just works", now at a point where mac os doesn't just work anymore

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform still has a crapple in the rack, moar or less reserved for 'toilet' chores -- runs printers, scanners, the occasional misc. piece of shit periph

asciilifeform: video conferencing bullshit, etc

asciilifeform: can't wait to throw that thing out -- it bloats like botulismic tinned can ~erryyr like fucking clockwork, 'needs new battery' despite ~never running off the battery

asciilifeform: ( but won't boot w/out one , either, Because Reasons (tm) )

asciilifeform recalls decade+ ago thinking similarly to phf's , 'hey almost a commercial unix', 'iron justworx(tm) but can open a bash , unlike winblowz box' etc

asciilifeform: but at this pt moar or less exactly same 'feel' as a microshit box, except with even moar flaky iron

asciilifeform recalls travails of folx trying to get fg going under crapple. where, apparently, can't switch off flow control from serial port (or, at any rate, no one found precisely how)

asciilifeform: iirc thing ate 'stty' w/ the correct args, then proceeded to... do nuffin

asciilifeform: (quite typical behaviour of crapple's os when asked to 'behave unixfully' in some corner case)

asciilifeform: ( ftr -- with flow control 'on', one gets spurious control chars in yer random soup, catastrophically blowing the uniformity of the output )

asciilifeform: ( or, to be pedantic -- they get ~omitted~ from the set of possible bytes outputted, as they get interpreted )

asciilifeform: ( see also re crapple victims )

dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 13:41:55 asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: consider a lulzy pete_d incident: in '17, he buys a FG, but unable to get it going, largely because he had purchased it simply as 'in-group signal' i suspect. in '19 turned his unit into a 'modern art' installation.

verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104308 Unimaginative underachievers unknowingly use utterly ugly UNIXen, unfalteringly.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 17:25:09 phf: asciilifeform: this could also be the case of "the fuck is this faggot ass shit" which is usually followed 1-2 hours later by "oh hmm well maybe maybe, i get it, it's shit but i get it" followed by another two hours of "well, i don't know if it can be done any other way really"

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: unappealing, undead unoperatingsystem; unremarkable

verisimilitude: Unsurprisingly.

phf: verisimilitude is of course posting his deep insights from an apl machine, get the fuck out here.

asciilifeform: lol

phf: there's of course a periodic thread on subj http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-02-06#1010387 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-02-06#1010388

dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-02-06 asciilifeform: 'Violent criminals often use an expression auxiliary to My head went when explaining their deeds: It wasnt me. Here is the psychobabble of the slums, the doctrine of the Real Me as refracted through the lens of urban degradation. The Real Me has nothing to do with the phenomenal me, the me that snatches old ladies bags, breaks into other peoples houses, beats up my wife and children, or repeatedly dr

dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-02-06 asciilifeform: inks too much and gets involved in brawls. No, the Real Me is an immaculate conception, untouched by human conduct: it is that unassailable core of virtue that enables me to retain my self-respect whatever I do. What I am is not at all determined by what I do; and insofar as what I do has any moral significance at all, it is up to others to ensure that the phenomenal me acts in accordance with the Real Me.'

phf: :q

verisimilitude: It's irrelevant, isn't it?

phf: err, asciilifeform is there a way to search your logs by an uinterupted sequence of characters, e.g. btcbase lets you search "real me" (though at also greps lots of `real men`), but on logs it seems to do something odd

phf: verisimilitude: no, there's of course a point, but like with the proverbial flies in eyes, can't see they are there cause they are there

verisimilitude: Enlighten everyone, emissary.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104339 << nope. it's prolly the most annoyingly missing feature atm

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 19:07:57 phf: err, asciilifeform is there a way to search your logs by an uinterupted sequence of characters, e.g. btcbase lets you search "real me" (though at also greps lots of `real men`), but on logs it seems to do something odd

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