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shinohai: 'tis impossible to convince torfags they aren't safe.
shinohai: I thought it pretty lulzy he mentioned "imageboards" as great hangout.
superkuh: Yeah, using a domain you lease on whim from an entity that can revoke it at any time is so much more secure.
superkuh: Who wants to control their own domain?
thimbronion: I suppose the hundred flowers campaign is coming to and end.
thimbronion: lol can't read because of some sort of cached nonsense from when archive.is was failing during my last crawl.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I couldn't make it through a single article
verisimilitude: Is it agreed upon here that Tor can be useful against a non-governmental actor?
verisimilitude: I quite like anonymous imageboards and like forums, but I understand they're not for everyone. If real work is done, identities certainly begin to rise out of the anonymous quagmire.
verisimilitude: It's useful if the average joe can't connect messages, say; this usually requires voluntarily accepting Tor posting.
verisimilitude: I agree the ``development model'' of accruing garbage onto garbage, where the history is a list of tweaks, is poor. Further, it encourages an idiotic ``debugging'' model for those too stupid to use real debuggers, ``Oh, it didn't work, well then just revert the change. It's not like the flaw was latent.''.
verisimilitude: I'm doubtful of these claims, firstly, and the average joe couldn't and wouldn't.
verisimilitude: Part of my point is if the traffic isn't ``life or death'', then it doesn't matter to start with; it certainly does work on the average joe.
verisimilitude: Were I to be plotting some illegal activity, I certainly wouldn't rely solely on Tor; that would be stupid.
verisimilitude: Well, I'm not doing anything illegal, and it prevents normal people from being able to trace back to me, so it's at least fine for this.
verisimilitude: There's nothing really to discuss, I suppose; I can't claim to have read and validated Tor, nor most of the software I use, but I'm still doubtful about these claims.
verisimilitude: That's a good question; I've given it thought and, there's naught to do with the information anyway, really.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-12 23:18:09 curiousd0g: it's nigeria
verisimilitude: None of us are basing every one of our actions on logic, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: I feel I've suitably explained my position; I'm not trying to change any opinions on it, really; I'm more simply not avoiding the topic.
verisimilitude: I'd prefer to segue into the other topics, but I suppose there's nothing really to discuss with those, either.
verisimilitude: The reimplementation of my machine code development tool is going well; I may have my article detailing its release soon.
verisimilitude: It's the culmination of a decent amount of work, and it will be pleasant to have my ideas not only in a working program, as I've already this, but in a structured manner suitable for translation to yet greater structure. I may find myself writing another targeting soon after finishing this one.
verisimilitude: I considered at least trying to write this in APL, years back, but APL lacks a character input primitive, which is necessary for this program, and I decided not to work around it and use a language already having such.
adlai: I am quite certain that the author of the slatestarcodex actually explained in one of his early articles what trivial manipulation on his real name he used, and it was not difficult to find a likely suspect; naturally, this may have been deliberate disinformation.
adlai: asciilifeform: wrt:poetry, specifically english verse: I've been wondering whether you experienced the same nausea from that old invincible, Dr. Seuss
verisimilitude: While I intend to eventually tie my work to my true identity, the present never seems a good time, even years back. Now the roving bands of retards are even worse.
adlai originally encountered Dr. Seuss in Hebrew translation
adlai: asciilifeform: although Green Eggs and Ham (the source of your quote) I only read in the original
verisimilitude: Well, as time passes, the thought of people having their homes set ablaze by the cretins seems increasingly closer.
verisimilitude: It's just a thought; there's little good in opening oneself to danger without commensurate reason.
adlai: there is something quite bizarre about the use of nursery rhymes to teach adults a foreign language; sure, the nursery rhymes are pernicious earworms, but so are advertising jingles and pop muzak
verisimilitude: I bemoan ebonics and similar attacks on the language, but that's a problem that probably must be solved with violence.
adlai: ebonics is no more an attack on the english language, than speciation an attack on the genus
verisimilitude: Oh, I agree that too many Americans hardly speak English.
verisimilitude: The US unfortunately doesn't carry out many of the same social policies as Israel does.
verisimilitude: Hebrew is also a language where many words have hundreds of ``spellings'', again making this less of an issue.
adlai: fwiw, I've visited the states several times, occasionally for months consecutively, during the first two decades of my life
verisimilitude: In any case, languages do have a right and thus a wrong way to go about things.
verisimilitude: There's a difference between a poet evolving a language and a negro ``enriching'' it.
adlai: modern hebrew is quite a mess, yes.
adlai: remember, though, english itself arose from a patois between french and german
verisimilitude: There's a difference between how tolerable invaders and conquerors are. Some bring medicine and science, and others practice cannibalism and win by numbers.
verisimilitude: It's a horrifying thought, to imagine I'll die with the world only slowly growing worse in my eyes.
adlai: the point and purpose of my speciation metaphor is that searchig for agency in an ongoing evolutionary process is not necessarily incorrect, although liable to flood you with false positives
adlai: recently I've begun reading Milton's "Paradise Lost", thus my revisiting of this topic
verisimilitude: Anyway, my ideas on language are reflected in my eyes of how machines should store and manipulate text, which are on my website
here and
here.
verisimilitude: I dislike using the same tool for writing and programming, dissatisfying both.
adlai hopes verisimilitude can find the present trends less depressing by reducing personal affinity to a specific modern dialect; e.g., think of your inner voice's grammar as just being some beetle exploring the indo-european canopy, rather than a nest anchored to one specific fork
verisimilitude: I really ``tone it down'' in this channel; this isn't near the full force of my opinion.
verisimilitude: Notice I don't use ``you'' in the second-person singular pronoun sense in this channel; I avoid it. This is because I dislike the ambiguity it causes.
adlai: incidentally, one of the most interesting conversations that I ever overheard was between two young israelis who were speaking modern hebrew with american ebonic inflection!
verisimilitude: If I can't express an idea to my satisfaction, I'll find a way to rephrase it. If I realize I've been speaking incorrectly, I'll change it rather than bemoan the language.
verisimilitude: A recent occurence was wondering about my uses of ``alternate'' and ``alternative'', with the underlying rules being vague to me. I realized neither of these are nouns, the noun form being ``alternation'', so I corrected this mistake in my articles.
adlai: IRC is actually one of the contexts where pronouns are usable without undue ambiguity.
verisimilitude: There was once a time where I allowed the venue to influence my writing style, but I'll merely write it resulted in an unpleasant result, so now I don't change my writing style based on the venue.
verisimilitude: It would be fine to not write in complete sentences, but I won't do that, either.
verisimilitude: Precision in language helps bring precision in ideas, and so precision in actions, and so on.
adlai: One "abuse of language" that seems about as old as history itself is using an adjective as a noun by eliding the noun modified
adlai: verisimilitude: do you consider this a complete sentence: "Therefore, the great impression that classical thermodynamics made upon me." ?
adlai has already found mutations in copies of the full quote! although none of the mutations changed the fact that "sentence just noun", if you will.
adlai: your adherence to precision is admirable, verisimilitude, and although I personally do not share your distress, I can understand its origin.
verisimilitude: As for the sentence, it doesn't seem to be to be complete, but if I'm wrong then there's nothing for me to disagree with.
adlai: it is not quite a complete sentence, and I suspect that the author intentionally broke cadence to emphasize the weight of that impression.
adlai: arguably, there is an elided "the existence of", after "Therefore,".
adlai wanders off to argue with himself over an unfinished sonnet for some girl who probably doesn't quite deserve one, although a promise is a promise, even when it reveals the promittor's hopeless stupidity.
verisimilitude: In any case, I don't yet anyway see particular value in a mechanism which attempts to force strict adherence to proper grammar; that doesn't mean it's unimportant, but merely so varied and irregular to a machine that it may not be worthwhile.
verisimilitude: There can be emphasis in using improper grammar, and poets or creators coin new words, which is why my ideas of machine text have as the second layer a mechanism to use such new words not recognized by an authority.