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mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042930 << the issuer will give you a 1:1 redemption, or you can sell it at a mild discount p2p or at an exchange
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-05 22:07:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042904 << in what sense are 'stablecoins' actually stable ?
mats: >We expect that in the coming years, cryptodollars and payment systems built atop them will challenge centralized p2p transactional systems like Venmo, Paypal, Cash App, and Zelle ... The relative lack of encumbrances offered by cryptodollars provides a superior experience, especially on a cross-border basis. Remittance use cases, especially in corridors will are poorly served by current infrastructure, are an obvious target for
mats: cryptodollar issuers and founders building atop them. They appear uniquely suited for large, b2b transfers, in particular on a cross border basis where the correspondent banking system might be lacking. https://cdn.b12.io/client_media/2nMpL8WQ/2b43d97c-c061-11ea-a23f-0242ac110002-Cryptodollars_Castle_Island_Ventures_2020-07-07.pdf
mats: as for how exactly the peg works, its like the hk currency board that keeps hkd:usd in a $7.750-7.7600 band. if you'd like more detail, https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27136/w27136.pdf
mats: theres a may2021 update to the paper but ssrn won't give it to me ;/
mats: if youre one of those weirdos that prefer audio, heres an interview with the authors of 'what keeps stablecoins stable?', https://onthebrink-podcast.com/what-keeps-stablecoins-stable
mats: god, i miss #b-a
davout: mats create the chan?
davout: i just tried, doesn't seem to be allowed
mats: i was surprised to find a few old timers in it on libera just now
davout: joined
verisimilitude: What was this for?
mats: #bitcoin-assets grew out of -otc and was the pre-schism tmsr
gregory4: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042926 << no reward for running nodes. this is a well-known weakness of the blockchain-concept.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-05 21:54:06 asciilifeform: is not infrequently asked -- most recently by own brother -- 'why do you bother to maintain trb, run nodes? you don't win, only the fat pigs win' and never had a properly rational answer.
gregory4: davout: are you named after the Napoleonic marshal?
gregory4: this was one of my favorite games.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << been rereading logs around the bitbet affair. fun.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 01:49:45 mats: god, i miss #b-a
punkman: by that time, there were already some complaints about not much business happening
punkman: then mpex went "private"
punkman: I still find the "if ceo fucks up, company pays for it" argument quite convincing. But then you add "zero-asset corp", wild claims, nubbins raising hell...
punkman: does kakobrekla have any website now?
mats: retrospectively its a bit interesting that btc only recently (maybe last two years / 18mos) stopped being a hiring risk
mats: if fiat-cryptodollar-btc financial plumbing wasnt so anathema to #b-a, some of us mightve helped build out the bridges to institutional participation
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042907 << Retroshare has been around for 15 years, that's kinda respectable compared to all the other derps. And only used RSA+SSL, which made sense in 2006.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-05 21:39:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042880 , http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042864 << it is rather depressing how folx have ~right idea~ but still zombie along because the avail. libraries are not only broken but fundamentally enstupidating.
punkman: mats, what do you mean hiring risk?
mats: youd get fired if you fooled with btc in finance
mats: i guess davout is the sole exception there because of paymium
punkman: mats, #b-a had various USD/EUR things, didn't it
mats: i only remember the euro futures and pre-paymium
punkman: 62b in Tether is wild though, that's enough to wreck all altcoins out there.
punkman: but I guess the non-bitfinex exchanges didn't mind getting that Tether in their market. The derps liked it, the prices went up.
mats: since we're doing the old men reminiscing about the past bit, if you missed it, rip pankkake
punkman: yeah I saw
mats: legendary
punkman: davout, are you still involved with Paymium?
dpb: gregory4, punkman, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
shinohai: $vwap
busybot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 34246.43 USD
shinohai: $blocks btc
busybot: Blocks: 689876
punkman: dpb, I have "true church" at home, it's called "the orthodox church"
shinohai: lol dick pills
davout: gregory4 no some friend came up with some silly play on words, it stuck
davout: punkman no, i got fired in 2016 because the new ceo was, and still is, an idiot. I sued and won
davout: mats yeah, i was reading the paper the other day and was "shit i knew this guy"
davout: *was like
kakobrekla: you weirdos keep ringing, sup
mats: with the rash of deaths lately, perhaps a tontine is in order
mats: jk i dont want to be killed
dpb: punkman, the orthodox churches are not in the truth, and believe much of the same false doctrine as the protestasnts
mats: youre the worst dpb
punkman: dpb, did you grow up in the truechurch or were you a convert?
dpb: convert. My parents are atheists
mats: i grew up in the church and got tired of this shit before i turned 10
punkman: speaking of old books, there's always the Rigveda
shinohai: J.R. "BOB" Dobbs the only true prophet.
gregory4: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042980 << thanks for mentioning, but I am already an Episcopalian.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 06:52:12 dpb: gregory4, punkman, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
gregory4: http://atruechurch.info/faq.html << this seems like yet another incarnation of the trend, originally espoused by Baptists/Methodists/Presbyterians, of divorcing religion from philosophy.
gregory4: it very much reminds me of The Christian System by Alexander Campbell.
dpb: i mention to warn you to *leave* your episcopalian church, as it is not in the truth.
punkman: "Nothing wrong with making outrageous but intuitively beautiful claims + attempting to understand them post hoc— Such is the recipe for any knowledge worth knowing. Reason’s proper role is as a means of explaining beauty, not arriving at it."
puman1: hey kakobrekla, most are now at dulap irc 205.134.172.3:6667 (server pass: FG baud rate)
puman1: they will only see http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042992 if they are going through the log
snsabot: Logged on 2021-07-06 08:11:11 kakobrekla: you weirdos keep ringing, sup
kakobrekla: that means i would need to figure out where my znc config is etc
kakobrekla: havent touched it for years
asciilifeform: ohey kakobrekla . puman1 is correct, most of the life is on dulapnet nao.
kakobrekla: freenode really took a hit huh
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: dulapnet, if not clear from context, consists of simply a box in asciilifeform's dc rack. at least currently.
kakobrekla: yeah i figured it must be your contraption
asciilifeform: it is made of matchsticks, so to speak, and meant to be temporary..
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 00:42:48 mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042930 << the issuer will give you a 1:1 redemption, or you can sell it at a mild discount p2p or at an exchange
kakobrekla: who else is going to put fg baud rate as password lol
asciilifeform: like mtgox 'will give'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it does keep the blind bots out, which was the only reason to have a pw.
kakobrekla: all i can recall from znc config is that i always see "do not edit this config by hand" just before i proceed to edit said config by hand
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's chan has always been sufficiently boring to not suffer spam problem.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i've only ever edited it by hand (with what else? cock?)
kakobrekla: there is like a cli q&a quide or something?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042948 << if this was on dulapnet -- it's hardwired for #a yes
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 04:04:58 davout: i just tried, doesn't seem to be allowed
kakobrekla: guide i mean
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << outta curiosity, what do you miss ? the havelock & mpex spamola ? the 100+ folx trying to weasel btc outta one another ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 01:49:45 mats: god, i miss #b-a
kakobrekla: i think my hands were trying to overwrite that with 'quit'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042966 << satan preserve us from 'institutional participation' .
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 06:28:12 mats: if fiat-cryptodollar-btc financial plumbing wasnt so anathema to #b-a, some of us mightve helped build out the bridges to institutional participation
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042970 << if this is no longer so, is a sad thing : means that the enemy no longer fears it.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 06:29:22 mats: youd get fired if you fooled with btc in finance
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 06:04:34 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << been rereading logs around the bitbet affair. fun.
davout: kmłoc:kxl
davout: oops sorry
thestringpuller: i always figured bitbet was MP fat fingering a transaction - didn't he double pay winners or something?
davout: he sent a second transaction paying winners when he saw the first one didn't seem to get mined
davout: his error was to not make the second transaction conflict with the first one
davout: so eventually both got mined
verisimilitude: YHWH is an obviously evil entity, dpb. There are deities in cartoons I'd sooner seriously worship.
dpb: He said you would say that
kakobrekla: apparently it works
asciilifeform: welcome to dulapnet, kakobrekla
kakobrekla: yeah thats odd
punkman: anyone have an EU colo provider they'd recommend?
kakobrekla: i have 10+ machines at online.net, they keep bumping up the prices though, so they are not considered cheap any more
verisimilitude: I just use a cheap RamNode option.
verisimilitude: I suppose I misread that.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: is 1 of those 10 boxen your personal www ? canhaz link ? ( or still believe blog is sinful..? )
kakobrekla: why so extreme aflie,.. my lack of having shouldnt imply its wrong to have
davout: kakobrekla ohai
kakobrekla: how is it
davout: not bad
verisimilitude: The word ``blog'' is perhaps sinful, asciilifeform.
kakobrekla: what is sinful are those quotes you just used
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i think of 'blog' as simply www with date-stamped articles
verisimilitude: A sin is whatever someone personally dislikes, right?
kakobrekla: not when you are a part of echo chamber groupthink!
kakobrekla: im sure dbp will happily explain some sins to you
verisimilitude: I just prefer referring to it as a personal website, or a Gopher hole, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: Those would be whatever YHWH personally dislikes, right?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: like many folx, i had traditional-form www prior to blog (preserved in 'vintage' category on current one)
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: scroll to 'vintage' under 'useful' (it aint a wp tag, doesn't have a linkable link)
asciilifeform: ( i dun think you'll find the old pgs particularly interesting tho )
verisimilitude: I remember the P4 page.
verisimilitude: I've a Virtual Boy, which I need to repair in order to play again.
verisimilitude: Say, TCP has issues due to the abstractions available to it, but virtual circuits are obviously useful, and could avoid these issues by being placed higher up the chain; what are the thoughts on SCTP, however; I don't recall if it features many of the issues of TCP.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: massive pile o'shit quite similar to tcp, and for same reasons. (includes even moar craptastic garbage, e.g. 'heartbeats')
asciilifeform: this is a general rule : if you start to insist on 'work-alike' replacement for a gratuitously complex pile o'shit -- you WILL receive a pile o'shit similar to your old one.
punkman: this seems handy https://www.pjon.org/
asciilifeform lols at folx eternally reinventing ethernet for 50+yrs..
verisimilitude: It even has the humans of flat corporate propaganda artstyle.
verisimilitude: Still, most programs would be suited to something higher than UDP, and such somethings could be standardized into libraries.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i aint in the biz of thinking about 'most programs...'
asciilifeform: (i have a concrete set of problems i actually indend to solve, by actually writing concrete programs, lol)
asciilifeform: *intend
verisimilitude: Yes, and doing that is a prime source of libraries.
verisimilitude: Every library I've written was to improve something I was already doing.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i won't argue against standardization/librarization in the abstract, but like to remind folx that it has a cost.
shinohai: davout: I'm sorry to admit I didn't know you still blogged!
shinohai also read pete_dushenski's MP piece, cringed at "Without him, the world of digital assets.....".
kakobrekla: you are all buying that?
kakobrekla: i think he just got jelly of mcafee and wanted to get some attention.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-27 10:05:17 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i admit that i will not be greatly astonished if he were to turn up alive at some point. like just about errything else he had done in life, this could readily be another elaborate, heavily intellectualized ego-pumping scam.
kakobrekla: "how come he gets to death no fair!!!"
asciilifeform: doing a notbad job playing dead so far, if so.
kakobrekla: idk, maybe it was the chinese mining cartel, being kicked out of china going for that green kostarika power
punkman: all those "news" sites covering the story, I bet not a single one made phone call to CR
asciilifeform: punkman: how do you picture this? call the linked fishwraps and 'really dead? or was late apr1 joak?'
punkman: dunno, get whatever stupid detail for your clickbait
punkman: sumthing like that
asciilifeform: punkman: lol, wasn't aware there was a magic # to call for detail on arbitrary local rag
asciilifeform: at any rate imho fella's been dead, for practical purposes, since '17 or so. simply only buried (supposing in fact) now.
punkman: when did s.nsa get canceled?
asciilifeform: punkman: late '19
asciilifeform: punkman: was even wankier story than kakobrekla's, mp ended up churning out kilometres of shit re asciilifeform being enemy-of-the-people etc
asciilifeform: punkman: you read the 'interview' neh.
dulapbot: Logged on 2019-11-08 20:15:06 asciilifeform: dorion: you may begin whenever you wish. ( yer time slot is still to 1600 . )
punkman: I've probably read at least some of that. Wasn't the last straw when alf wanted to do pizzaro2 without mp?
kakobrekla: here id like to note that from alfies pov, kako is also enemy-of-idkevenwhatexactly, a judgement made on fabrications
kakobrekla: so its like some sort of shit circle
asciilifeform: punkman: not only wanted to , but did, it's still in biz and yer talking into a box hosted there.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the only dirty deal i know for certain you ever took part in, was monkeying with the logs, imho that was low.
kakobrekla: eh, fuck you, you twisted (and still are, possibly unknowingly) the truth
kakobrekla: and were sending ppl on my turf into a scammerhole
kakobrekla: etc etc
kakobrekla: you think anyone reads longs after chan went silent, come on, you are better than that
kakobrekla: longs = logs
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: fwiw i was still reading the older ones on your www, until phf (and then asciilifeform , who wrote the current logger) subsumed'em
kakobrekla: well congrats, you were the only reader
punkman: it's fun that the logs are littered with broken links to dozen different loggers
asciilifeform: punkman: mine converts the link targets (lemme know if you find one where failed) to correct place in my db.
kakobrekla: i took that shit down recently, i only kept it up so long cause alfie said im gonna fold before mp does or some shit like that
punkman: asciilifeform, btw why did you combine #b-a and #t
asciilifeform: punkman: cuz absolutely 0 of any note happened in the remnant-#ba.
kakobrekla: ofc it did, asciilifeform was funneling ppl into a pit of snakes, thats what was happening hehe
asciilifeform: punkman: if you have a copy of the db, they're conveniently marked (era 1 == #ba)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in addition to the snake, it contained 100% of what i consider to be the interesting work.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 15:43:42 kakobrekla: eh, fuck you, you twisted (and still are, possibly unknowingly) the truth
asciilifeform: punkman: apparently kakobrekla still fighting the last war..
asciilifeform mind boggles, d00d walked away with, what, 700+ btc !!
punkman: wut
kakobrekla: you accused me several times of trying to scam the bbet recievership (i guess thats why davout wrote how helpful both me and mp were in the process)
asciilifeform: iirc kakobrekla's net profit from biz w/ mp. (can't seem to find where in log tho)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: not referring to the supposed scam, but from 'peacetime'
kakobrekla: anyway, i would have let bb carry mps fuckup, if it werent for the lame ass konspiraci fakenews
kakobrekla: if he manned up, i would have signed
kakobrekla: that was the deal
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i still suspect it was 'shit test'. he administered a similar one to asciilifeform in '19, and decided 'failed'
kakobrekla: i cant sign some obvious bullshit, cause next week "aliens stole all private keys, sign please"
kakobrekla: yeah you are reading too much into it
kakobrekla: still.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
punkman: I reread davout's blog, seemed like it was handled well
punkman: the bbet liquidation
kakobrekla: btw, i dont think i said this before, but imo shareholders got a fucking a++ deal
kakobrekla: i mean, with the liquidation
verisimilitude: I was thinking about Domain Acknowledgment in relation to peripherals earlier, as I was falling to sleep. I don't currently see a good abstraction over what keys a keyboard exposes, sans requiring programs to whitelist which keys it recognizes, leaving all others ignored or sent to others. Common whitelists could be shared, for ease. I quite like the idea.
punkman: I was looking at fairlay the other day, couldn't figure out how it worked
punkman: kakobrekla: did you ever know who the znort guy that bought it was?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform you framing sucks btw, "kako got out xxx btc"... how about "mp got out xxx btc" (plus the coins he decided to best keep instead of distribution to proper owners)
kakobrekla: punkman no idea
kakobrekla: dude is "dead", you "hate" him (or whatever of the 4 bits you have flipped on him) and you still frame stuff in this convoluted way, i dont get it
kakobrekla: not that it makes a diff to me.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the real puzzler to me, is that the maniac made you fabulously wealthy (don't pretend that kind of easy money existed, for you, outside of his pyramid, where you happened to get in 'in time') and yet to this day not interested in discussing anything but how he fucked you
asciilifeform: 700 btc not enuff? 'oughta have' 10000 ?
kakobrekla: punkman all i know is that he needed a manual to install & operate the site, which i provided him with. and later on his yahoo email got hacked.
asciilifeform ftr made precisely 0 (actually -, but let's call it 0) from work w/ mp.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform did you ever consider that whatever btc you think i got from the deal (which was like 5 grand in fiat money at the time) does not represent significat change of stash
kakobrekla: its not my fault you "made 0"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i have absolutely 0 against you personally, if not clear
kakobrekla: not clear
kakobrekla: what i got from ipo was "5k worth of btc" and thats the only proper framing
kakobrekla: whatever else you are building on top, is your problem
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 15:35:11 punkman: all those "news" sites covering the story, I bet not a single one made phone call to CR
asciilifeform: davout: BingoBoingo baked a kind of continuation, but seems to have gotten bored
asciilifeform: davout: fwiw i've a full mirror of qntra (orig. is still alive, but was on mp-controlled domain, so i expect will turn into goatse at some point)
davout will read the continuation
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 15:43:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the only dirty deal i know for certain you ever took part in, was monkeying with the logs, imho that was low.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: picture if not had the incident in '16 -- could have lived w/ mp for another 2-3y until the berlin-1945 days of '20
asciilifeform: davout: at one pt he had his log www s/trilema/goatse or similar (i forget exactly)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 15:52:42 kakobrekla: anyway, i would have let bb carry mps fuckup, if it werent for the lame ass konspiraci fakenews
kakobrekla: no, it was 'fraudsters', which is still true to this day
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 15:54:42 punkman: I reread davout's blog, seemed like it was handled well
asciilifeform: davout: doubling up the tx was so epically moronic that i still have hard time picturing that he had not done it deliberately
kakobrekla: again aflie reading into stuff
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 15:58:58 kakobrekla: asciilifeform you framing sucks btw, "kako got out xxx btc"... how about "mp got out xxx btc" (plus the coins he decided to best keep instead of distribution to proper owners)
kakobrekla: do you also turn the cup upside down when done with a cup of turkish coffee?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lolno, proper divination calls for the rubbish to be still in the cup!!
kakobrekla: davout i read it as he is framing it like "i used mp"
asciilifeform: 'won from mp's pyramid-blitzkrieg, only objected when the tank rolled over him personally'
kakobrekla: like "he was good as long as money was there, then ..." but really its "he was good until he went fucking crazy on my ass"
asciilifeform: that he did
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: oughta have seen mp circa '18-'19
kakobrekla: well, i was in a position where i didnt have to eat shit, so i didnt
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-29 14:43:53 asciilifeform: i'm still not 100% certain whether mp was always a scoundrel, or victim of substance abuse problem.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: fair'nuff
davout: the guy fucked up, it's as simple as that. and afaik he usually owned up to it, so that episode came as a bit of a surprise to me
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i think can safely assume that you do not habitually read #a log, so will summarize, asciilifeform does not run 'temple of mp' -- not even with minus sign, interested in rather different subjs
asciilifeform: remembered about him again when received a mail re him finally biting it (allegedly).
kakobrekla: maybe its my conditioning from the times when you were under his spell then, if so, sorry, i can try better.
verisimilitude: Everything I learn about mp makes me glad the first judgment I assigned him was correct.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: d00d croaked (supposing he in fact did) an unarguably frothing maniac (i've a torrent of his www up, as pill against 'fan club' sanitizing the mausoleum copy)
kakobrekla: verisimilitude dud changed a lot, its like when in a progressively bad relationship, you tend to 'suffer' for longer than warranted, for i would assume obvious reasons
asciilifeform: thing is, at that pt i already had not read him for 14-15 months.
kakobrekla: but its one snowflake that breaks the branch.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you missed a few choice 'dramas' (like the pair of d00dz who took asciilifeform's various worx, filed off serial #s , and went 'marketing' with slide deck fulla mp's face from various angles)
asciilifeform: ... these emerged after asciilifeform already 'sacked'
kakobrekla: so i guess we are not meeting up in timišvar to celebrate the death of führer with some plum schnapps?
kakobrekla: idk, just checking
asciilifeform: hell, i'd go
asciilifeform: do they have working airports again in eureich yet?
davout: i was actually thinking of setting something up
verisimilitude: I saw a man wanting followers, and I wanted for no maste, kakobrekla.
davout: would be a bit weird, but why the fuck not really
kakobrekla: you can fly, with accompanying inconveniences changing day by day
davout: the guy was a one-of-a-kind obviously, he did some epic shit
kakobrekla: i just went on my first flight since shit hit the fan about 3wks ago
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: have own plane yet ?
verisimilitude: I'd be interested in meeting others here, to exchange public keys.
davout is working on getting own plane
asciilifeform: davout: nifty!
davout: verisimilitude who are you again?
kakobrekla: i dont have a house/apartment, and will likely sell car this year (made maybe 50-100km in last 12 months)
davout: da62 for those interdasted
davout: kakobrekla the 500 butts vw ?
kakobrekla: no, that one i crashed and gave away for free to my friends sister, which she then fixed and is still operational, maybe should be put into a museum
asciilifeform: davout: oh hm looks like if 'porsche' made 'cessnas'
verisimilitude: I'm only here because I was interested by asciilifeform's work, davout.
davout: kakobrekla i think it has a place next to the 2 10k pizzas
kakobrekla: i suppose
verisimilitude: I'm in the WoT, also.
asciilifeform suspects that virtually erryone who played w/ btc for any length of time -- has been protagonist of a '10k pizza' story
asciilifeform: ... the only way to avoid it, is to only ever eat coin, and never shit
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform mostly succeeds in this )
davout: verisimilitude "The prime advantage of Masturbation is easily controlling the initial memory layout." not bad
verisimilitude: What's the shame in wasting money?
davout: looking back i probably spent the equivalent of a few million euros on a few grams of marijuana
asciilifeform tuned in late enuff that he hasn't any stories involving millions of any unit, sadly.
davout: asciilifeform stfu you've been around long enough to not be excusable
asciilifeform: davout: didn't want to use goxes. (or randos in alleys.) if passes as 'excuse' lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-15 22:31:06 asciilifeform: i, for instance, mined at one pt a coin on a fpga. (before there were commercial systems for it on market, simply so happend that i was working w/ fpgas for other reasons)
asciilifeform: ( same reason why didn't want to use mpex and so forth )
asciilifeform: this allergy kept asciilifeform out of many glue traps, but also out of 'lottery wins' etc
shinohai: asciilifeform may be the Bitcoin worlds oldest HODL'r
asciilifeform: shinohai: doubtful, there's almost 3y of asciilifeform almost entirely ignoring subj
asciilifeform: '09-most of '11
shinohai: I feel ya tho, I hate parting with coin anymore than I have to.
davout: "The answer instead is that, while the unknown inventor of Bitcoin was quite clever, most of its users are alarmingly dull." <<< you already understood most of the "crypto" space as early as 2012!
asciilifeform: davout: may recall, that piece was written by request of mp et al, who had read asciilifeform's intro piece on subj and asked him to try demo
davout: that's the piece i was quoting actually
asciilifeform: ah davout already was quoting aha
asciilifeform on toomany terminals lol
davout: AKSHWALLY
asciilifeform: lol did he just paste a launch coad?
davout: re-reading stuff like that makes me think most of the interesting things about buttcoin have already been said
asciilifeform: davout: when wrote it, hadn't even read the src yet! had not laughed in the real circus yet..
asciilifeform must bbl
mats: yoko ono returns
mats: wb old timers
kakobrekla: hi there you spineless piece of shit
kakobrekla: btw asciilifeform thanks to mats i found this, maybe it will jog your memor
dulapbot: Logged on 2019-11-04 19:00:47 asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm complicit in that warcrime -- saw kako as scumbag and said 0 .
dulapbot: Logged on 2019-11-04 19:05:42 asciilifeform: to my shame, mats, i hated kako 'ethnically' , i.e. saw him as unprincipled 'all about the coin' fella. rather like what i nao think of mp .
mats: if you haven't heard yet, i was also robbed, and there was an extra 0 in my loss
mats: i admit it was a dicey liquidation but my view hasnt fundamentally changed
kakobrekla: what can i say, "you had it coming", right? // http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-06-02#1014112
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-06-02 20:21:45 mats: kako had it coming, we've been over that
mats: youre probably onto something
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043030 << it was the hot core of btc finance in its time, i miss the cast and characters
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 11:03:02 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << outta curiosity, what do you miss ? the havelock & mpex spamola ? the 100+ folx trying to weasel btc outta one another ?
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043035 << its just compliance and regulatory shifts, lol. btc eating institutions, after they waited many years to get in, is as far as ah can tell an unmitigated plus
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 11:10:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042970 << if this is no longer so, is a sad thing : means that the enemy no longer fears it.
mats: let them pay spot prices, who cares
asciilifeform: mats: depends who eats whom, doesn't it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043274 << arguably working w/ mp was its own punishment, like sniffing glue. ( asciilifeform at least did not lose substantial coin -- if largely because hadn't what, lol )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 17:38:06 mats: youre probably onto something
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 18:28:29 asciilifeform: mats: depends who eats whom, doesn't it.
shinohai: What a log today. Still don't feel bad about sneaking a tranny into the tits promotion and onto the pages of Trilema, where it still sits today.
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