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(ossasepia) mike_c: In any case, I put a shutdown notice up and will close it in a few months.
(ossasepia) mike_c: I certainly don't care if you have no interest it. it's not my baby, I just helped get it stood up many years ago.
(ossasepia) mike_c: You seem sensitive to my use of the word "care" and to be taking offense at a simple question. Given your investment in the project, I didn't want to shutter it if you did want to keep it going.
(ossasepia) mike_c: from reading the logs, it sounds like no, so I'll just turn it off.
(ossasepia) mike_c: the question is whether you care if the wiki at eulorum.org continues to exist
(ossasepia) mike_c: hey diana_coman
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Alrite, I'm off for now. asciilifeform - I'll ping you if I make it down to DC and maybe we can grab a meal sometime.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: keeps traffic down though.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: the city is a ghost town.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: i'm east these days. the panic is real around NYC.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: yeah. I'm sure in a couple years they will stop wanting to hang out with me, but I intend to enjoy them until then :)
(asciilifeform) mike_c: big enough - two little ones
(asciilifeform) mike_c: work and family pretty well consumes it these days.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: hello! no problem, you earned it and then some. best of luck with your solo efforts.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: heh, seriously, better than the S&P 500.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: thanks. 75% successful. not bad.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I'll watch the logs for a reply
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Ok - well, if you're inclined, ask her if she has any interest in eulorum.org or if I should just shut if off
(asciilifeform) mike_c: why's it got to be so hard to talk to people on irc..
(asciilifeform) mike_c: BingoBoingo: can you voice me in ossasepia
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I guess people just buy whatever is on the shelf.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: empty of toilet paper for whatever reason.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: As well as anyone I suppose.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Thanks again for your efforts.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Hey asciilifeform. I sent you 10 BTC this afternoon.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: multi-project wafers seem to bring the cost down a lot. more reading to do..
(asciilifeform) mike_c: when you were developing fg?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: i feel like this is something you would know - how much does it cost to build an asic instead of fpga?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: well.. ok then! that's crazy
(asciilifeform) mike_c: but if you rotate keys faster than they can crack them..
(asciilifeform) mike_c: also, please dump a signed delivery address in here sometime for your BTC once I receive mine
(asciilifeform) mike_c: hard to say of course how long key has to be good for before priv-key is leaked
(asciilifeform) mike_c: asciilifeform: have you written up how you envision crypto-routed net? I wonder if key rotation with FG as entropy source would be sufficient
(asciilifeform) mike_c: a piece of hardware with reliable entropy, another with reliable math, that's a couple of strong building blocks!
(asciilifeform) mike_c: how are you going to do that? FPGA?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: oh, so you mean a PCB with it?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: hm, the value of it in rom is.. i'm missing how that is better than signed binary
(asciilifeform) mike_c: shinohai: thanks. certainly a favorable step.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: all these things are straightforward enough if you're "just programming" with them, but the thing that interests me really is figuring out whether I can believe that this whole thing is rock solid, constant-time executing, etc.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: the ada in the chapters is easy, but i'm interested in understanding ada better than the demands of the ffa walkthrough
(asciilifeform) mike_c: you learned this in grade school?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: definitely some missing pieces of my trunk of knowledge in this area
(asciilifeform) mike_c: alf - let me tell you, it's not a straight line. read ffa, go read more about Ada, read ffa, go learn more math.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I saw Bingo, I'll get you a signed address.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: hey bingo. alf, not up to much of interest except working my way through ffa chapters.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: BingoBoingo: just checking in, haven't seen much chatter recently. What's the next step?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: i have much more reading to do.. thanks for the links ascii.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: the appreciable addition is constraints from what i can tell so far.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: mechanical system adds assurance of correctness with the penalty of harder to fit-in-head and therefore being less sure of what it is correctly doing. an interesting dilemma.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: i was skeptical of the side channel claims at the top.. but halfway through am starting to believe
(asciilifeform) mike_c: also, on proper OS, that could be the spark'd component that the other part has no access to
(asciilifeform) mike_c: yes, that feels obvious.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: hm. nic-less no good for bitcoin node.. (fine for client though)
(asciilifeform) mike_c: yes, agreed on the additional complexity.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: so you don't need 100mb of gnarl to run
(asciilifeform) mike_c: there's a spark/ada runtime
(asciilifeform) mike_c: it seems entirely possible, through that method, or sparkism, to build secure software. But it seems to me you are still hung on the cross of the hardware you have to run it on
(asciilifeform) mike_c: ok, this is awesome, but question I am curious to hear your opinion on -
(asciilifeform) mike_c: this is cool. do you think there is no added benefit to the "provable" overlay on top of something like this?
(asciilifeform) mike_c: then I can eject it from my head to make room for other things
(asciilifeform) mike_c: if I have a crypto library I can analyze, convince myself is correct, and I *know* cannot overflow, etc.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: hm, but, if you can fit-in-head and have provable guarantees, it seems a stronger building block for larger things built in components.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: the problem of having trusted hardware to run it on still seems like a gaping hole.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: i have the "i don't know enough yet" optimism of that, maybe muen/genode, and maybe an actually secure bitcoin client.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: seems like a promising foundation for actually secure software.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: today I learned about spark (ada spark, not apache spark). and associated modules like libsparkcrypto
(asciilifeform) mike_c: just wanted to put that out there for the logs :)
(asciilifeform) mike_c: so don't know if it was some encoding snafu or what, but certainly nothing other than technical issue.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: also, BingoBoingo, if you care to diff you'll note there is no visible difference between statement that verified and what I sent you earlier.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: from what I remember, funds were dispersed and the shares just never delisted
(asciilifeform) mike_c: yup, will be delivered momentarily
(asciilifeform) mike_c: the math was merely illustratrive, but I can resend
(asciilifeform) mike_c: BingoBoingo: i can resend my note with a sig, but basically all I said was "whatever you think best, and please require a signed message if we get to the point of sending coin"
(asciilifeform) mike_c: it verified for bingo, so should be good
(asciilifeform) mike_c: that signature is mpex, not mine
(asciilifeform) mike_c: you might not have the mpex key in your ring
(asciilifeform) mike_c: asciilifeform: can you do me a quick favor and see if that paste above verifies for you
(asciilifeform) mike_c: !q seen BingoBoingo
(asciilifeform) mike_c: diana_coman: catching up on some of the back logs of it, I will!
(asciilifeform) mike_c: been poking around ossasepia a bit due to more active log following recently. the last post on unfucking crystalspace graphics is interesting. seems like a deep pit of crap, which is about how I remember it when trying to build the client years ago.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: BingoBoingo: payment delivered with the last block. good luck!
(asciilifeform) mike_c: heh, have fun. BingoBoingo: I'm signing off, funds will hit that address tonight.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: cool, I'll be a customer.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: that's what you did.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: worked for years in an enterprise i invested in for no salary, and while not successful, made good faith effort throughout.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: great, i'll warm up some wallet
(asciilifeform) mike_c: BingoBoingo: I changed my mind, and my offer to hire you: I send you fee of 30 BTC (same amount the mpex account cost coincidentally). If you lose the case and I don't recover my dividend, you send 10 BTC to ascii (nothing to me). If you win and I do recover, then I send 10 BTC to ascii (and you keep the 30). in case of partial recovery, i dunno, we do something gentlemanly.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I have also met ascii, and of course agree he's a good man. Otherwise would not have invested.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: ok - I am reconsidering your offer. Allow me a moment to think.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: oh, yeah, I saw all that. I thought you were saying he got negrated. according to deedbot, he didn't.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: i'm looking up what happened where ascii got booted, if you have a link handy? otherwise I'll find it
(asciilifeform) mike_c: really? I did miss that part.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: founders get a tough end of the startup bargain
(asciilifeform) mike_c: asciilifeform is still in good standing, fwiw, if it ends up "non-citizens get nothing" and the question then comes up "what to do with the coin", I propose give it to ascii for time served.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Could go either way, I'll be interested to see how it shakes out.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Well, like you said, it is a republic. So this seems like good case law.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I may still come back, and did and still do believe I could work my way back in, but until then half measures are pretty worthless.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Seems to be. As mentioned awhile ago, it seemed unfitting to stay half-in.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: The question that stands now is what mp asked, what to do with the assets "owed" to what was a person in good standing, and now not for reasons of uninvolvement.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I am happy to have a conversation with those not negrated, or anyone about the situation. I'm not going to hire you to represent me (but do honestly appreciate the offer), and I'm not yet willing to work my way back into the good graces of the realm.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: You can't do business without knowing each other.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: I'm not hiding anything.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: Of course, "relationship" with silent investors is a strong term, but still.
(asciilifeform) mike_c: The more interesting question is what to do with someone you had a business relationship with that you now have negrated
(asciilifeform) mike_c: yeah, it's not an unreasonable position.
(trilema) mike_c: lol, *mp_en_viaje
(trilema) mike_c: mp_en_viage: thanks, no rush.
(trilema) mike_c: Thought I'd ask if anything changed with the proxies or other mechanisms in the last couple of weeks that might have gummed things up.
(trilema) mike_c: I pulled a MPEX statement in november, but post-dividend I have not been able to (getting the 'Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.')
(trilema) mike_c: As an ex-shareholder, I was not surprised but still impressed at the orderly liquidation.
(trilema) mike_c: having been there a couple of times myself, I empathize.
(trilema) mike_c: I've been following the snsa wind down recently. Makes sense at this point, and I'm sorry it didn't work out!
(trilema) mike_c: congrats! I did that a long time ago too. Good luck with it.
(trilema) mike_c: I assume that means you beat that bullshit you were going through awhile ago.
(trilema) mike_c: staying out of jail it appears :)
(trilema) mike_c: everybody's good though. how have you been?
(trilema) mike_c: wife and two kids, if I just get a dog and sell my motorcycle I'm about as typical as they come.
(trilema) mike_c: hey bingo
(trilema) mike_c: up to block 358824. chugging along.
(trilema) mike_c: pretty good after a week at the beach
(trilema) mike_c: good evening!
(trilema) mike_c: good afternoon
(trilema) mike_c: log search turns up nothing useful but a dead dpaste. matchstick game?
(trilema) mike_c: I ordered this shit from amazon before I orderd the goats. Goats arrived, still waiting for amazon package.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform - so.. is there some way to kick it besides restarting?
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: copy, thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: or at least, as much as it ever was.
(trilema) mike_c: how the fuck is litecoin still a thing
(trilema) mike_c: still? I guess boost qualifies as that
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: nudge on mpex withdrawal
(trilema) mike_c: oh nice. restart node, back off and running.
(trilema) mike_c: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 650790574a
(trilema) mike_c: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 650790574a mapTransactions prev not found be8d298e75
(trilema) mike_c: busily filling my disk with:
(trilema) mike_c: doh. trb node stalled out.
(trilema) mike_c: trimfs, will do. thanks
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: I got some goats in the mail today. ty.
(trilema) mike_c: I'm at 292908
(trilema) mike_c: !~bcstats
(trilema) mike_c: it lists the missing player(s)
(trilema) mike_c: Uh, sure, that's easy. Just for the bad hands you mean?
(trilema) mike_c: you mean fixing the amounts? no, not with all the corrupted numbers in there
(trilema) mike_c: !!up Birdman
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform - closed turd client was necessary because I didn't think this would even work, and it was one time thing. so not worth investing time in vs. spinning up VM and then destroying it.
(trilema) mike_c: But that should get you the hands you are interested in.
(trilema) mike_c: I can't actually fix the numbers for you, because the numbers are wrong. Note in the example how it says the small blind was 1 million and change.
(trilema) mike_c: This only identifies hands where someone put money in the pot and wasn't in the summary. Cuts it down to 1,591 bad hands out of the 300k
(trilema) mike_c: !~later tell Birdman here's a new version:
(trilema) mike_c: it's about bedtime for me. feel free to paste in a wish list. if it's quick I'll knock it out for you over the weekend.
(trilema) mike_c: maybe aug 1
(trilema) mike_c: no, much later.
(trilema) mike_c: all in all it was an experience that felt like taking a shower in sewage.
(trilema) mike_c: thanks trinque!
(trilema) mike_c: but it worked.
(trilema) mike_c: I used this pile of shit for wallet - installed on VM, you should 100% assume this is a virus ridden piece of shit. http://www.electroncash.org/
(trilema) mike_c: far more by now.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, and for the common good, I used hitbtc.com to liquidate BCC. The interface is a piece of shit, I got multiple javascript errors throughout process, but bch went in, btc came out.
(trilema) mike_c: nice, thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: published where?
(trilema) mike_c: is anybody working those? I'd be interested in contributing.
(trilema) mike_c: right. or hire someone else cheaper.
(trilema) mike_c: so given spent address that used to have 50 btc, I sell the BCH, key owner gets free 4.5 btc. not too shabby.
(trilema) mike_c: Sure - given keys, I will sell BCH quickly - not too much regard for trying to optimize yield, without being entirely stupid about it. I'll keep.. 10% and give other party 90%. My fee will be minimum 0.5 btc and maximum 10 btc.
(trilema) mike_c: ping me if interested.
(trilema) mike_c: Reasonably manual process, so there would be a reasonable fee, but it's free money if you're not going to do it yourself.
(trilema) mike_c: I don't think the market will last long enough for automated service to be worth it, but I'll turn the cranks if anyone wants me to clean out some spent keys.
(trilema) mike_c: there's a decently deep book. takes 4500 BCH to get down to 6% right now.
(trilema) mike_c: well sure, but who gives a shit about social media. it doesn't have any btc.
(trilema) mike_c: currently i could sell 500 BCH(bcc? whatever) for a bit over 50 btc. price has run up last couple of days.
(trilema) mike_c: well, there's only as much money as the order book is deep
(trilema) mike_c: this is a good idea. I'll have to see if I can make the process less manual.
(trilema) mike_c: right, if it was moved post-fork, doesn't matter
(trilema) mike_c: and assume that virus ridden wallet will attempt to clean out that BTC address
(trilema) mike_c: but I would need the keys to wherever that 1 btc was pre-fork
(trilema) mike_c: but you know, all I risked was some time.
(trilema) mike_c: I did. I was dumbfounded.
(trilema) mike_c: that actually worked, and then I sold it.
(trilema) mike_c: well, now that I'm thinking about it, not sure how that would work as a service. Because I had to use some assumed virus ridden POS BCH wallet. So I swept out a BTC wallet, then imported the address keys into the assumed virus wallet for BCH
(trilema) mike_c: oh, yeah, I did.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, hm, it did go up the last couple days. good time to sell!
(trilema) mike_c: ok. so that chart is saying that a BCH is going for 0.15 BTC. which is about double reality afaict
(trilema) mike_c: hm, what happened in the last couple days? difficulty adjustment?
(trilema) mike_c: and it will just spit out the hand numbers
(trilema) mike_c: run it like: whatever.py c:\handhistories -q
(trilema) mike_c: last tweak
(trilema) mike_c: no worries.
(trilema) mike_c: sorry, mine is named hands2.py :)
(trilema) mike_c: whatever.py c:\handhistories > logfile.txt
(trilema) mike_c: uh, no, like this:
(trilema) mike_c: thanks asciilifeform!
(trilema) mike_c: oooh, goats shipped!
(trilema) mike_c: or logfile.txt, or whatever
(trilema) mike_c: "python hands2.py c:\directory > logfile.csv"
(trilema) mike_c: well, if that's all you want just:
(trilema) mike_c: you just want it to spit out the hand numbers? sure.
(trilema) mike_c: ^ excludes hands with no summary and hands with seat 256
(trilema) mike_c: still 4,393 bad hands. down from 5,013. so doesn't cut out too many
(trilema) mike_c: !!up Birdman
(trilema) mike_c: not sure what you mean by seat256, paste me an example
(trilema) mike_c: excluding ones with no summary only cut 10%
(trilema) mike_c: give me an example of a hand you're *not* interested in.
(trilema) mike_c: well, seems like 80% of those are only going to be missing one player, so filtering by that won't help you
(trilema) mike_c: ok, so 4,914 bad hands
(trilema) mike_c: run the updated version I gave you and tell me all 3 numbers (processed, bad, files)
(trilema) mike_c: 4,412 of the 5,013 bad hands are only missing one player
(trilema) mike_c: um, not following. but you're saying you want to see the ones that are only missing one player?
(trilema) mike_c: seems like it's working to me :) here's without the player names: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/LsriU/?raw=true
(trilema) mike_c: Processed files: 4612
(trilema) mike_c: Bad hands: 5013
(trilema) mike_c: Processed hands: 297887
(trilema) mike_c: and how many did it say before you pulled the tournament files?
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