asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that he followed same method as described in his http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-2-no-c item ( which i suggested a long time ago ), simply take the calls & translate by hand into the linux abi convention
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it astonished me how folx were able to so elaborately break such a simple thing.
asciilifeform: so if your own coad is compatible with this form, can safely jettison the string glue
asciilifeform: diana_coman: imho that functionality belongs in a udp lib ( given as it demands knowledge of how ip is represented ) but prolly oughta be a troo ada thing, not a callout. however implementing it would double the mass of the proggy
asciilifeform: my approach to eggogology is same as to rest of unix liquishit -- when possible, imprison it, not bring out, so long as proggy behaves reasonably
asciilifeform: diana_coman: imho variable-length-datagram is for the birds. hence i jettisoned good bit of complexity by omitting it
asciilifeform: can freely experiment, simply turn the knob ( dun forget to turn it on both ends.. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe, my lib is somewhat unorthodox, it tries to abstract entirely over the os socket, nails down a fixed packet length, ipv4 4evah, no 'nonblockisms' - who wants these, can implement via ada task; no dnsism supported at all, etc
asciilifeform: ( this is where it wins over simple 'moderated' chan with hand-curated people list )
asciilifeform: seems to me that items come in 'allcomers' and 'closed wot', and 'allcomers+bans' is simply recipe for whackamole
asciilifeform: what's their thing implemented in... befunge ?!
asciilifeform: helps to put current-day crapple into correct perspective. it is a creation of 1990s microshit ( massive dough infusion ), originally to defend against 'monopoly bust'. ended up revived as a replacement 'usg dept of kompyooting' as the original began to show signs of rust
asciilifeform: what was the virological term, when latent carrier begins to show symptoms
asciilifeform: simple physiological problem, really
asciilifeform: d00d tired of cleaning monkey shit, handed temple over to the monkeys.
asciilifeform: e.g. Foo(1 .. 3) := (others => 0) compiles into a memset(..., 0) ; Foo(1 .. 3) := Bar(5 .. 8) compiles into a memcpy . etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: memcpy is simply a multiword mov
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'defined' is the item that differs in asciilifeform's, in fact. i dispensed with ~90% of the knobs simply by going 'sockets are udp, that's it'. no tcpism, i.e. no accept() and the associated streamolade, no unix sockets with their weird, etc.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform at least posted snippets of various incomplete strange , over the yrs )
asciilifeform: ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850727 << neat idea, and in keeping with the libc-removal . for some reason feels 'heavy', tho, but i am resisting the temptation to try an' figure out why atm, i am in the process of wrapping up my own ( conventional ) sockets thing for release today
asciilifeform: sad, but i expected sooner rather than later. showed symptoms.
asciilifeform: ( anybody lacking the secretsalt and currentkey, sees simply 512byte of rng )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the simplest way i thought of to finesse the reordering thing is simply to run synchronously ( i.e. at no point does sender send a new packet unless old one replied; if there's no reply, sender retries a certain # of times, and if still silence, declares the connection broken )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch11_tuning_and_api/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_io.adb#L59 << example of endian-insensitive routine.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: then you may want to wrap unix recv() as i described ( can use my mmap example )
asciilifeform: to round out thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850330 << in my orig udp attempt, i dispensed with the traditional 'gotta be in network byte order (tm)' doctrine, in favour of 'if packet doesn't pass muster, THEN flip the endianism and try again 1ce'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850327 >> they are, see e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L43 example
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit.
asciilifeform: ( the appeal of 'own gnatsockets' is similar to that of what i did with mmap : adacore's implementation is quite obese on acct of handling winblowz and other broken os )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: incidentally, i was initially quite unsure re the wisdom of using the streams. but they are part of the standard and do appear to work as described. however for your application it isn't even clear to me that you need'em , could simply call out to unix's socket routine and get octet array of fixed length (e.g. 512byte) to work on.
asciilifeform: ( i had'em in the 1st drafts of ffa, then abolished , they interfere with proper compartmentalization )
asciilifeform: ( what it was, was simply a btc block and tx reader, i fed an entire noad's 'dumpblock' chain into it, plus a buncha randomly bitflipped mutilations, behaved correctly )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently i am lacking a bigendian iron (or a gnat for such) so never got a chance to truly and properly test endianism conversion (as for ffa, it is endian-insensitive, but this is simple where there is no networking)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun see anything obviously ugly in your example, btw
asciilifeform: diana_coman: did you ever see the 'nqb' item asciilifeform posted in '17 ? had various imho good examples of operations on streams
asciilifeform: i also had a variant that used c imports
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, what precisely caps the lifespam of a garza-style op. my guess is that it was never +ev at any point, and d00d simply ran out of his usg-allotted 'capital' to pay the shills etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see if you can find one similar to https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-455183149-arctic-breeze-ventilador-de-escritorio-usb-con-cuello-f-_JM but that aint an 'import, takes 9 days'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ unsurprising. per tradition, whoever begins to show symptoms of 'cured of usd' , 'suddenly' ( a la libya etc ) is 'found to have terrorists' and gets 'democratized'
asciilifeform: ( and when tried to re-create this in '14, found that it is impossible, the packages are nowhere, unsurprisingly )
asciilifeform: in other idjicies, 'Designed to run on minimal hardware, Elive is very much a passion project of its leader, Samuel F Baggen. Based on Debian, the first version took a bow in 2005. The second stable version made an appearance in 2010 and it has been a long eight years for the third stable version to become available. ... Elive has an impressively low bar to entry, with hardware requirements for the distribution coming in at 256 MB RA
asciilifeform: ( chances are -- not, as the boxen booted and ran without any eggog when they were emplaced on usb2 )
asciilifeform: i dunno, what sense does the crapple battery thing make. they rope chumpers into buyin' new ones, one way or other
asciilifeform: i can see an argument for keeping a cut-down version (perhaps trb's) around on ~some~ boxen , simply for curl-for-fetching-heathen-www, but that's about it.
asciilifeform: i also remember a very spotty performance in the orig asics, where ~random selection of subcores actually ran, and no attempt was made to 'package the defective transistors in separate bag for your convenience sir'
asciilifeform: so swamped by spamolade
asciilifeform: vacant unit 'A' behaves same as diana_coman's , and exactly same after april kernel re-emplaced there
asciilifeform: diana_coman: we temporarily powered up your unit with the drive on usb2 bus
asciilifeform: compared to what, e.g., mao, did to ~his~ lang -- very small diff.
asciilifeform routinely reads pre-1917 texts, they're stylistically unremarkable , simply got 3 'extra' glyphs
asciilifeform: asciilifeform went on a tr kick recently, and turns out it's ridiculously simple , after all is a conlang
asciilifeform: i'ma add it to the template, it will go on all new/reimaged boxen.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is only 'resolved' in the sense you are contemplating, on juniper and similar.
asciilifeform: at least in cement, the empirical fits in a constant. in meat work, it's a wall-sized (and necessarily incomplete) chart of bleargh.
asciilifeform: incidentally much noise was made re the elaborate calculations of early nukes, but good chunk of the design params ~also~ only were accessible empirically. hence the slotin incident.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i turned up empty in search for occasion where oxford fired the cannons
asciilifeform: i.e. problem was not in 'shortage of component base', there.
asciilifeform: this , observe, is problem , even nao, even while component base ~is~ available
asciilifeform: fwiw e.g. FUCKGOATS is repeatable, for so long as component base is available. ( and i include paper schematics & listing with it, for a reason..) but the direr problem is the shortage of literate operator who even knows wtf he is holding in hands
asciilifeform: aha. von kempelen, etc
asciilifeform: emphasis is on the 'phd', not 'assembly line'. faberge dead, no moar eggs
asciilifeform: ( it's a pretty depressing yarn, the earthling attempts to make sense of the rubbish, sum to ~nuffin, and they fight over the scraps )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are examples in the past, e.g. the orig nazi folx. (or the ww1 britain, from prev thread?) but these didn't end well.
asciilifeform: 'Thanks for the offer, but we already have methods of becoming a sponsor. I'd like to give that opportunity to up to 10 groups/companies/people through patreon. I hope you'll understand.' << lol!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the clearest 'schoolbook' example of folx suckered in by pseudorepublic, were the weev people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact we do currently open boxes on explicit request of owner, to emplace FG
asciilifeform: (today there's an inner core of printolade-purchased glass boxes, outside of it - 1890s construction, some of it still with faded e.g. 'fine imported furst' stencil print on the smog-coloured walls )
asciilifeform: ( granted, it comes out of usg.cows here, so possibly not comparable )
asciilifeform: !#s two humps
asciilifeform: among known examples, fly wing
asciilifeform: hey, silicon-based critters also currently thought impossible
asciilifeform: ( might be interesting to contemplate a power source that runs on guano funnel, but i suspect there is substantial devil in the details )
asciilifeform: ( not that it make no diff in ~which direction~ temp diff )
asciilifeform: peltier is potentially very good current source for long-term unattended stations -- unlike photopanel, it isn't afraid of rain, or bird shit, etc. and a long stake into the earth potentially gives coupla of degree temp diff yr round
asciilifeform: meanwhile, uncrated chinese peltier, ~$1. thing gives a microwatt or so simply sitting on a desk. impressive.
asciilifeform: hey sed and awk written by different 'man alones', so big fat surprise they use incompatible inbandisms
asciilifeform: pistolero at swords range not really comparable to grunts 'spray and pray', no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think it is clear that if digger aint willing to contemplate 'maybe i die before hole, but next one will dig, cross the barbed wire over my corpse' will dig no serious holes.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is, the os, was actually novel/interesting in aspects -- e.g. implemented the ~only~ known example of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256
asciilifeform: 'A man killed by a train in The Dalles in mid-August had a Youtube following and was a “minor celebrity” in the computer world for doing the Herculean task of writing his own operating system, a fan said...'
asciilifeform: imho the canonical example.
asciilifeform: !!rate cnomad -1 ran off with mp's bitcent.
asciilifeform: after that, 'only stamp collecting'
asciilifeform: it's a ~completely diff codebase from stock uboot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at your earliest chance plz pull mod6's stick from dulap, re-emplace into his unit, and power up
asciilifeform: mod6: i enabled root login on the thing with temporary pw, lessee if it comes up
asciilifeform: it is simply how flies are, they move ~randomly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in rf amps , also, if antenna mis-impedance'd (and 'run without antenna' is merely special case of same) energy reflected back into amp and it, likewise, smoulders, soon begins to exhale its magic smoke
asciilifeform: ( or do i misframe the q, and it simply exhausted its allotted life tank )
asciilifeform: jrrt by some accounts did not even set out to write fiction, he was linguist, wanted some place to dump his conlangolade.
asciilifeform: in other noose, trad-gentoo's crossdev is completely rotten nao, tries to build glibc-2.27 (which is broken, as it won't build with any version of 'ld' i was able to find, full stop) EVEN WHEN YOU CROSSDEV ....linux-musl !!
asciilifeform: of course in usa 'hung jury' simply means that usg gets to rinse & repeat until desired result
asciilifeform: i thought 'trans' was simply crossdresser deceived by quack doctors that he can haz usable synthetic cunt etc
asciilifeform: i parse it as 100% chukcha 'sympathetic magic' -- 'eat heart of walrus, become great swimmer'
asciilifeform: was competent at wrong thing, iirc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847949 << possibly i'm think, but what is comparable here ? the 2 characters dun have same options, as treated at length in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847940 & elsewhere
asciilifeform: exploding lamp in restaurant.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847915 >> 'I was in a position in which I enforced company policy, hired, and fired as human resources and now no longer have an office with my name on the wall or any authority; however, I do have a 'cage', collar, and a really cute headband...' >> lol win, oblig >> 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' (tm)(r)(kipling)
asciilifeform: today mircea_popescu pumps 100,000 litres of ocean water and finds 1-2 chix that can pgp. but what if had to pump 10,000,000 litres, and got 1 chix, and she looked like emmy noether, what then.
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform ran into 'btc komyoonity', ended up quickly setting bozo bit on all 'investmentisms' en masse. ( even included mircea_popescu & co, was not able to distinguish from the rest until hanbot wrote to me and asked to try demo & read the mpoe materials )
asciilifeform: who , for instance , was smickles. ( i formed impression that he was an active fella, but do not know with what )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: orcistans starved for imports , sometimes have astonishing masters of junkyard wars
asciilifeform: even carrying in ordinary ip net, you gain the fact of '9000+' nodes that speak only to each other, and ddos of '9000' nodes, even if somehow all of'em were known to enemy, is impractical.
asciilifeform: it's an egregious problem in cramped fpga.
asciilifeform: simpler, oddly enuff, engineering problem, also.
asciilifeform: however i suspect that 'alt-juniper' would be small change, if we had fab friends, oughta go straight to general-purpose washington-free comp.
asciilifeform: it is also pretty cramped sizewise (recall, i was not able to fit a single 4kbit adder into it)
asciilifeform: cuz it's a complicated mechanism.
asciilifeform: i must repeat, that i'd be lying if i claimed that i knew how to build a box that throws packets at even 1/5th the rate of the cheapest juniper, out of off-the-shelf components.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'competition' box routes 1G/s from 48 jacks, daisy-chains with 10GB/s snakes, compiles ip filter rules into 1mil+ gate fpga fabric. how do i bake a sucks-less without large fpga ? ( we dun have large fpga, tho we do have working tiny ones )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, they have a microshit antivirus also plugged in. should we then also attempt 'better one' of these as well ?
asciilifeform: it's an algorithmic problem ( i.e. fundamental ), rather than implementation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another important fact to remember : ip rules inevitably slow traffic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'iron babel' of x86 means that there is not and never has been such a thing as 'general purpose kernel'. there exist of course the fraudulent imitations, of shituntu etc. where they roll in 500MB of ??? 'all possible modules' , but it is beneath contempt
asciilifeform: or was simply 1 ~component~ of iptables absent ( there's somewhere like 50+ 'optionals' in the list )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847258 << diana_coman i was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that i built smg box with iptables-able kernel. but was not ?
asciilifeform as a small boy, 'if i jump this-high, can i see turks??'
asciilifeform: seems like the only way to test is empirically
asciilifeform: ^ apparently this thing will need several 1000 litre honeywagons to fully empty of liquishit.
asciilifeform: consider von kempelen's creations, say.
asciilifeform: their compressor was a thing resembling old school fire brigade pump, the kind with seesaw handle
asciilifeform: can use electric compressor, as mircea_popescu's photo, but these are finnicky & expensive, need regular oiling
asciilifeform: ( btw modern air rifle, not the break-open type but the refinement of the austrian 1700s concept, where you pump for hour to fill the bottle, is mighty impressive item, i have one here for pest control, readily punches hole in several wooden planks laid together )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: giant artillery is a fertile field , imho ( take for instance the concept of evacuated barrel. impressive results even among basement aficionados with air rifles, in these )
asciilifeform: sort of a modern-day hochdruckpumpe
asciilifeform: ( oblig. emulated-mircea_popescu answers, 'why do you need to take a comp on airplanes! sit on throne, in beach, drink rum, instead' )
asciilifeform: in (mostly) unrelated lulz, recently asciilifeform found himself visiting several different crapple shops, and standing in a queue for hours, sov-style, simply to submit for repair a crapple lappy (2 yr old !) with swollen battery, whole thing looked like spoiled food tin
asciilifeform: what i have not found a way to do, is to neuter cr50 in the sense originally wanted , where it turns into simply battery controller and nobody can rewrite from snake.
asciilifeform: txt seems to imply that demolished 'because gangster', rather than 'because squat'
asciilifeform: it shits timestamps
asciilifeform: lobbes: can you paste the complete input plox ?
asciilifeform: complete with that little platform for sultan
asciilifeform: serbia moar recent example than rhodesia
asciilifeform: could be temporary? or no
asciilifeform: having not yet read mpwp, i cannot say further
asciilifeform: i stole whole idea, when pushing jurov to do it, from mpex, lol
asciilifeform: tests pgp detached sigs, attachments, all exists in mpwp already ?
asciilifeform: how would submit work in a mpwp ?
asciilifeform: just stand in the near field. ( recall the folx with unplugged fluorescent lamps )
asciilifeform: ordinary city lamps will suffice.
asciilifeform: from the intervals, can compute energy in.
asciilifeform: think of the harvester as an impedance matcher between the physical source of energy, and the consuming device.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: want to record not simply voltage, but just how many milliwatts/hrs available from the harvester ( in field practice you cannot do much of anything with e.g. peltier without harvester )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the quickest cure is simply to walk there and unplug his mains, and stick the disk in your lappy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845832 << gotta luvvv how uniturd gives , what , 17 different glyph-~identical 'letter a', simply so that this can exist
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'than it's worth' is complicated -- how much is worth the seekret of 'usg has 0 au' ?
asciilifeform: if parents 'own' house -- noprob, from usg's pov, will simply expropriate.
asciilifeform: reportedly they takeoff & land by comp, also. the monkey in the chair is ceremonial.
asciilifeform: i suspect that it is even possible to cheat, lower melting temp of the pb with (surprisingly cheap) gallium
asciilifeform: they did this in su also. i still dunget why can't restore these to proper function -- yes melting out pb will destroy the temper on the barrel, but can go and re-anneal it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt -- i saw 'tommy' sold in shop in usa. but on closer look, turned out, it was a cruel mockery, they tore out insides and replaced with deliberately incompatible firing mechanism, so as to fire from closed bolt , per usg diktat
asciilifeform looks, so far not impressed, it's verbatim chunk lifting
asciilifeform: (but notenuff tmp space to fire werker on whole db atm)
asciilifeform: i suspect that not errything comes in canned states, and reality, even in gulag, is slightly moar complicated than the picture suggested by mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: upstack, re zeks -- mircea_popescu is entirely right, a zek is not simply d00d with 'wrong passport', but pauper with no means of support outside of the gulag ( where he knows how to cut wood, or wash gold nuggets, or whatever, for a bowl of cabbage swill. ) speaking first-hand here. zek is simply folx who are not needed for anyffing anywhere.
asciilifeform: actually they pull half amp or so. and stay lit for most of the night, typically even in winter.
asciilifeform: photocell sorta scales, but for half amp at 5v you're already talking about something the size of a4 paper , and that's in broad daylight strictly
asciilifeform: ave1: contemplated puzzle asks for 0 loss
asciilifeform: ^ simple plaything for evaluating moves
asciilifeform: ave1: observe also that your final state is exactly example of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844434 ! and counter-ex to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844412
asciilifeform: it can be made to work ( stuff all the whole piles possib into the two lumps , then solve for linear combinations of the excluded q's) but dun win anyffing
asciilifeform: evaluating proposed split of set is very easy, you check that the sum(n_...) and weighed avg of the component Qs are in spec.
asciilifeform: if you want optimal decomposition, you keep all valid ones and pick the shortest.
asciilifeform: then attempt to permute the list into two sublists which satisfy the recurrence. if the recursion comes up empty, you slide the guess tuple forward by 1. (there is no need to do this more than once, avg of the final 2 piles cannot exceed that of the entire thing)
asciilifeform: in the case of Mocky's example, this will be initially 172,173
asciilifeform: cuz it is not complicated
asciilifeform: currently i suspect that any 2 miscible-q piles can be merged in either 1 or 2 steps. but too tired to attempt proof just nao
asciilifeform: i sawed on it, tried to transform to system of diophantines, but came up empty
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ordinary compass will tell you if it's powered, no need to touch
asciilifeform: 'needed' is broad concept. happened to see ant , stomped
asciilifeform: if history's any guide, they're still in the 'first we'll try and starve the judenschwein, make'em unemployable, then they'll sell their gold to good aryans on their own power' stage of the algo
asciilifeform: trinque: makes sense. tho thread wasn't about the inevitable mass implosion, but the erryday 'losing the lottery' where usg decides yer a good candidate for cokemachine
asciilifeform: Mocky: admissible heuristic is not difficult, simply must not ~over~ estimate the cost. can simply take 'number of remaining piles , squared' or the like
asciilifeform: ry least cuntlips and mp-approved figure, to get properly and truly loose.
asciilifeform: erry slave galley i've ever toiled on, solved this problem by... hiring secretary from the actively-imploding firm next door
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the car people still required to publish 'mpg' in usa. the konsoomer simply told to suck it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle this type of inbandism is curable, with simple pill, lookahead parser -- if not ~actual~ html, comment is processed as plain text. rather than the 'oops here's a < so i'ma drift off into stratosphere' existing nonsense
asciilifeform: as i understand, the morons didn't even have the simple lock on the ignition that a toyota has.
asciilifeform: i suspect the latter is simply adult-neotenous variant of that pasttime of just about erry intelligent little boy, to take group of playmates and 'put them in regiment', march'em around with wooden muskets
asciilifeform: trinque: witness just how much of the homo redditus psychopathologies cluster really reduces to doomed , head-against-wall attempts at becoming individuable
asciilifeform: complete with '5 C++ developers with over 95 collective years of development experience' etc.
asciilifeform: impossible to say, from my telescope.
asciilifeform: where's the difficulty in producing an arbitrary 'mr chump went into usa with bag of $ x' for any desired value of x
asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
asciilifeform: ( before anybody asks -- imho it is physically impossible to get this effect on pc iron, where not only caching but such things as sdram burst r/w exist )
asciilifeform: a gc can be seen as an example of a data-dependent branch. which are ~not~ acceptable in crypto coad.
asciilifeform: even somehow abstracting over these -- proglang with gc is simply not acceptable in safety-critical/crypto proggy. it is at least in principle possible to write cl without cons; but afaik this is not practical in erlang
asciilifeform: bahahahaha BingoBoingo , recall the 'mumps epidemic' in BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even in 19th c , usa was 'land of magical recipes', as is the fate of all culturally-impoverished chukchistans
asciilifeform: Mocky: in the era before down's syndrome sufferers were set to programming computer , 'library' was simply book of useful recipes, to be studied and ~understood~ and put to use with care -- e.g. 'numerical recipes in fortran' , knuth's aop, etc
asciilifeform: without them, the necessary, cleansing complexity collapse would have happened in 1990 when it was supposed to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was, believe , a u.s. army shitshow. and we had locking doors simply to separate the valuable gear from 'it dept'
asciilifeform: afaik in '80s the comp was responsibility of instrument man, no 'dept' yet.
asciilifeform: the comp per se is tiny % of the bill.
asciilifeform: ( heavy gear, incidentally, typically ships with the tethered comp, as a set )
asciilifeform: the bolix item where subj was documented in l0gz in detail, was merely 1 example.
asciilifeform: approx same 'analyzer' that you'd get simply by connecting a germanium diode across a hardware shop voltmeter.
asciilifeform: lulazon is inca-centralizing to an extent lolmart et al could only have dreamed of -- ~0 competition in described space
asciilifeform: folx who wanted curtain call, jumped the wire, got shot fulla holes, errybody else -- not, no choppings or other oddities, nobody particularly eager to lie down in mengele's hospital.
asciilifeform: afaik in german camps nobody chopped off own hands, feet, there was no +ev in it
asciilifeform: i'm not in the habit of retrofitting a why to where there wasn't one. i suppose i have one set of jumper settings, she -- another, or i'd be in #darpa or wherever the capons and kanzures live, and not here
asciilifeform: revisiting upthread : if mircea_popescu , or even say wykeham professor of logic , tells me 'yer a tard, problem is very simple' i'ma yes, nod, and not try to somehow argue that not. but it dun magically grow asciilifeform moar brain, can only go and think, and possibly one day think out of paper bag, how else.
asciilifeform: i'll admit to a bit of surprise re the recurrence of the 'retireded gringo' in mircea_popescu's field reports, i was under impression that these were rare outside of reservation
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ok to re-emplace disk and power up 'A' , plox to signal when powered.
asciilifeform: prolly left the 'example conf' uncommented, dollars to doughnuts, iirc i ripped the 'mime' thing out of mine
asciilifeform: yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ?
asciilifeform: one possibly 'why', i suppose, is '1940s, critical mass of italian undermenschen, impossible to carry on functioning country', say
asciilifeform: mod6: http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/rotor.tar.gz.asc , http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/programmable-versionstring.vpatch , buncha others
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i pointed earlier, it aint the first rip, simply the most polished afaik to date
asciilifeform: mats: we can dump in usg.curated snoarcollection right after we run out of errything else, i guess. which won't be soon.
asciilifeform: i dun expect a usg.pseudo-v, item is prolly intrinsically incomprehensible to the subhuman-idcardcarriers . but whoknows.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
asciilifeform: 'As part of the Kudelski Group, Kudelski Security embodies the same innovative spirit that has inspired the company since its creation in 1951' << didjaknow
asciilifeform: jurov: nope, simply needs the nodes to pick up ~each other~. sorta 'firing squad problem', i will leave it as exercise
asciilifeform: 'We expect that letters so addressed would more properly come from your company's International Bureau and then only after there's been some treaty of other discovered to which we are signators' << >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-163.0-163.589 ( & elsewhere lulz )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol! as in https://paulaaleksandra.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/headclamp.jpg !?
asciilifeform: for comparison, ro passport was 800k or so, last i saw
asciilifeform: without history of organikism, impossible to grasp e.g. http://trilema.com/2013/der-untergang/#selection-49.235-49.527 thread
asciilifeform: ( speaking of which, if anyone never seen one, a microwave dummy load is impressive item, picture breadbox-sized cast al hedgehog with coax plug thicker than man's thumb )
asciilifeform: in anglostan net, ~vanished more or less completely
asciilifeform: this completes the set.
asciilifeform: gold from mile-deep drill holes, plundering the abyss. As we fueled a civilization wielding wealth and power culled from the physical, cultural and political conquest of an entire planet we tossed pennies of compensation in the faces of our Third World vassals. ... We don't do that anymore. Any of it.'
asciilifeform: 'Gasoline once embodied masculinity. That harsh but sweet essence was the flawless compliment to an authentic man's natural scent. Billions of gallons of rich balm spewed from refineries ringing the coastline of this great nation to power Detroit's behemoths to ever greater excesses of brute power, and their owners to expansive fusillades of sexual conquest. We plundered desiccated Middle East wastelands. We sucked the black
asciilifeform: 'We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science' << bahahahhaha
asciilifeform: then i'm stumped.
asciilifeform: in related lulz, usg.pravda drummed up Official hysteria for whole week re 'far right rally scheduled in washington' . then it comes, total of 30 reddit d00dz show up, and promptly turn tail when the 'antifas' appear. whole thing nonevent.
asciilifeform: ( granted , in unixland it aint easy, and in winblowz planet -- ~impossible )
asciilifeform: 1980s included plenty of examples of disastrous enthronement of 'this is experiment, go away' to 'industry captains'(tm)
asciilifeform: observe how the unix folx, richie & thompson, also proceeded similarly, doubled down on the 'unix philosophy' in e.g. 'inferno'
asciilifeform: 'how much memory this uses' 'this q is turing-complete, try asking something else'
asciilifeform: shitoshi's horror is an archaetypical example.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841639 << actually quite pertinent to the thread -- stroustrup spent virtually entire past 20yrs , in successive attempts to coverup his n-1-st warcrime by pretending 'neverhappened' and... carrying on with moar of same!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho log is important labour-saving device, lack of ability to point n00b to $oldlog , instead of having to say same thing 10,000 times, is one of the plagues that killed usenet
asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:52:40 << incidentally asciilifeform coupla yrs ago made failed attempt to replace 'boost' in trb with cpp11isms. principle obstacle was that gcc 4.9x doesn't really have 100% working cpp11.
asciilifeform: 'company dress code' must be a west-usa thing, asciilifeform went through several slaveries where he was only one not dressed in hobo garb
asciilifeform: i recall slaving in a galley where the brass handed out 'company shirts', then later saw'em in the kitchen as dishrags
asciilifeform: i guess i have simple tastes , dun particularly need to hear the cuntlips schlick
asciilifeform: yer comp consists ~99++% by weight of this bureaucracy.
asciilifeform: trinque: that's more or less ~all~ software complexities.
asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode.