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PeterL: << I also made a keccak implementation, but it needs some tests to verify it is consistent with the standard and then I should make a gensis vpatch for it
a111: Logged on 2018-09-15 14:42 asciilifeform: this makes for 2 working keccaks nao, unless i'm forgetting somebody's
PeterL: and I should find a better place to keep my files, currently I have it on github
trinque: somebody should really write a republican version control system someday
trinque: PeterL, unfuck your head.
mircea_popescu: "and the rest will follow" ?
trinque: at least it'd have a chance.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, "Using slang you didn't come up with isn't a substitute for having a personality. And that's the Internet in a nutshell today: a bunch of vapid morons trying to be cool by parroting phrases back and forth to each other. It's meme language, and just like people use memes as a substitute for their inability to tell a joke or make a cogent statement, people use this type of language to seem hip-adjacent
mircea_popescu: . You're not hip, and you're hoping desperately that nobody notices."
mircea_popescu: internet "of today" runs into internet of 1990s : maddox saying "the obvious" that "nobody wants to hear", inexplicably enough nobody gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: ah if only it were 1998 again, how bien trouve shit like "hip-adjacent" would catch wings and fly! what a "dank meme" it'd have been, back before they had a word for it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in alt coins, "Super Male Vitality is the result of ancient wisdom reinterpreted over several years in the light of modern equipment and analysis."
deedbot: << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log - 9/02/2018
diana_coman: -> following on from this, I had a look in more detail at the code for gnat.sockets; my conclusion is that gnat.sockets has as main contribution the streams + forcing the weird dance with types; underlying gnat.sockets is the "thin layer" that essentially wraps the system's C functions for sockets
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:48 diana_coman: I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
diana_coman: while initially I considered using this thin layer, on a deeper look at it, I don't like it; here is the code of it: and
diana_coman: moreover, the thin layer is in principle internal to gnat.sockets so it's not even meant to be directly used from outside (compiler will throw a warning though nothing worse than that afaik)
diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
diana_coman: for lulz from the above code: -- Return highest numbered socket (what does this refer to???)
deedbot: << Trilema - Best in the world!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman would this be written in ada then ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it would still wrap recv and send at the very least
mircea_popescu: more specifically : what exactly is the limit of the "c-ness" of the system calls ? can we pretend they're ada system calls until they are ?
diana_coman: I don't know what an "ada system call" is, to answer that question; my aim is indeed to wrap them in one place so that everything else makes ada calls and doesn't care
mircea_popescu: "According to POSIX.1-2001, the msg_controllen field of the msghdr structure should be typed as socklen_t, but glibc currently types it as size_t. " and other joys of the c world.
mircea_popescu: half the fucxking manual on recv deals with a) spurious extra prototypes and b) data size definition soup.
diana_coman: myeah; I did not even pretend I *like* to have to do this
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but would the wrapper be c or ada ?
diana_coman: how would it be c??
diana_coman: or why, lol
diana_coman: if it's c, there's no need for a wrapper
mircea_popescu: why i dunno ; how however -- gnat will compile c.
diana_coman: sure, but what's the point in wrapping a c call in more c code, I'm not sure I follow what you have in mind
mircea_popescu: are you going to write an ada program to treat c-defined syscalls as black boxes and spit out ada acceptable output ; opr are you going to write a c program to treat c-defined syscalls as compatriots and spit out ada acceptable output ?
mircea_popescu: i'm just checking things!
diana_coman: first
mircea_popescu: how are you going to handle the weird data models implied by teh nutty syscalls in an ada proggy ?
diana_coman: as I dig into them deeper, I shall know! lol
mircea_popescu: lol ok.
diana_coman: if I knew all that, it'd be ...ready
diana_coman: not like typing takes a lot of time
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, the middle english word for "raise awareness" would be... animadverting.
mircea_popescu: strangely enough disused, seeing how it's shorter.
asciilifeform: << i spend past day cleaning up mine, but not quite done yet
a111: Logged on 2018-09-16 15:41 diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
asciilifeform: diana_coman and mircea_popescu can read and use if they like it, i'ma genesis
diana_coman: asciilifeform, please do
mircea_popescu: certainly.
asciilifeform: it only does udp tho
mircea_popescu: that's quite fortuitous!
diana_coman: atm it's only udp I want to do
asciilifeform: then diana_coman may find it useful, i'ma hurry up & genesis ( realistically tomorrow posted. )
asciilifeform: simple enuff item, has small example harness, and eggog handling
diana_coman: asciilifeform, tomorrow sounds good!
mircea_popescu: honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. and all that.
asciilifeform: ok i'ma bbl
BingoBoingo: << LOL unintentional entertainment
mircea_popescu: ima install traffic stops in the dungeon.
BingoBoingo: You mean observatory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to clarify, is an arg in favour or against posting $subj
a111: Logged on 2018-09-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. and all that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a++++ ocelot
asciilifeform had nfi their face were this level of... round
mircea_popescu: i mentioned alf to him, his tongue came out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all for posting $subj, this way minigame can just use it rather than make yet-another-new-one
asciilifeform: aa ok
mod6: << Ah, thank you!
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
mod6: !Qcalc 308.28/6745
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.045704966642
mod6: 0.04570496 BTC good asciilifeform ? (I'm using the price point for sept for the calc)
asciilifeform: mod6: worx
asciilifeform: 1s, will cough up invoice
asciilifeform: !!invoice mod6 0.04570496 8 new-gen rk disks + 20 adhesive-backed hedgehogs + s&h
deedbot: Get your OTP:
asciilifeform: !!v FC2D6272E9AF4411FE0E8ABE50E84DA17246A8042AC4D92F4EFD5E76CE380E04
deedbot: Invoiced mod6 0.04570496 << 8 new-gen rk disks + 20 adhesive-backed hedgehogs + s&h
mod6: Thank you, Sir. I appreciate the invoice.
asciilifeform: mod6: np
mod6: !!received-invoices
mod6: !!pay-invoice asciilifeform 1
deedbot: Get your OTP:
mod6: !!v A06C4D8D64F662393218FB552D1D54866648D05485A95F0D169A2F07B05E1A29
deedbot: mod6 paid asciilifeform invoice 1
asciilifeform: ty mod6
mod6: yw!
mod6: !!sent-invoices
mod6: !!ledger
PeterL: is there a process to get voiced in #pizarro?
PeterL: !Q later tell bingoboingo
lobbesbot: PeterL: The operation succeeded.

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