asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-19#1842911 << BingoBoingo plox to do as we did with prev rk, put the disk in dulap and ping asciilifeform when did.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-19 16:51 BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: Tomorrow (the 20th) you may arrage the nuke/pave of mircea_popescu's rented rockchip with asciilifeform. << Aite
mircea_popescu: good morning republicans!
Mocky: good morning, how goes?
mircea_popescu: oh great, got a buncha'bandoned eggs. and >20k flotsam. life's great when you have a bot.
Mocky: when I went opened comp this morning half expected chat window to be flashing with with ping "bot dun work!"
mircea_popescu: mnop. you got it.
mod6: mornin' mircea_popescu
mod6: thanks asciilifeform && BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ack, caffinating and then heading over
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-sovereign-power-of-the-republic/ << Trilema - The sovereign power of The Republic
Mocky: mircea_popescu, in the latest trilema piece I can't resolve the selection at the "ammends"(sic) link: http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/#selection-161.1-165.92
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: o i c ty
mircea_popescu: doesn't it link "Si nu-i da canoane multe ca cu mine is facute si nu-i da canone grele ca pacatile-s a mele." for you ?
asciilifeform: best trilemabanner to date , btw, imho
mircea_popescu: a rly ?
mircea_popescu: i actually like the ones with girls, myself.
asciilifeform: i like with the teeth.
asciilifeform: i picture the camera pov as that of hogtied prisoner derp, and mircea_popescu whispers 'you dun even know what fun lies ahead'
mircea_popescu: this is not at all that far off. i do a lot of that.
mircea_popescu: but it is genuinely fun -- even if it doesn't seem so to the victim in the moment, it does retrospectively.
asciilifeform: btw is pizdeț in ro roughly ~= пиздец ?
Mocky: no, i get something like http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/#selection-165.47-160.1
mircea_popescu: it's pizdet, an animal collective term for young females. ~cattle.
asciilifeform: hm then not same
mircea_popescu: Mocky it dun happen on my system ;/ wut do ?!
asciilifeform: пиздец is multipurpose, but roughly a mythical ragnarok where world is swallowed by enormous cunt
mircea_popescu: right. but no, in ro -et is collective noun derivative. storfet, the group of cheap whores, from stoarfa, cheap whore.
mircea_popescu: pasaret, collection of birds, from pasare, bird.
mircea_popescu: (this being the ur-case. older, and no doubt the model for the others)
asciilifeform: so then approx пиздня
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Swapped
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can go eat, i'ma reflash disk, will take <1hr.
asciilifeform: lulzy, btw, by all indications box was not touched since end of may
mircea_popescu: surprising no one in particular.
asciilifeform: d00d never even made homedir for self, ran as root...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ok to re-emplace disk and power up 'A' , plox to signal when powered.
mircea_popescu: in other items of perhaps interest to the medievalist, https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/sbook2.asp
mircea_popescu: half molded already, eg boetius' consolatione, https://www.lib.virginia.edu/etext/latin/boethius/boephil.html
asciilifeform: oh hey notbad
asciilifeform: lotsa lotsa broken linx tho, e.g. 'Alpamysh, a Central Asian, Turkic epic, [At ukc.ac.uk] and here [At Kansas] ' -- both dead
asciilifeform: holyfuq even 'canterbury tales' has deadlinx
asciilifeform: council of trent -- dead
asciilifeform: i think i misparsed 'half molded' lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu this thing is ~100% molded.
mircea_popescu: what can you do. 1990s item
asciilifeform: this item , with '9000' others, is well illustrative of the idiocy of the whole idea of the purely external link
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tis the fate of classical text, whadda ya want
asciilifeform: troo hyper-document oughta contain snapshots of all linkage. ( sure if external entity updates, viewer can be offered later ver, at ~his~ discretion. but oughta preserve linked material at time of linkage, the era of 'disk costs too much to store human text' went long ago)
mircea_popescu: this is what "classical" means -- some peasants lost it meanwhile.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought whole point of the elaborate electrical echafaudage were , to try an' get around these headaches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like patching mp-wp to do just this, i'd very much run it.
mircea_popescu: god knows the logbot auto-archival is wunderbar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on 'conventional' www this reduces to 'munge the shitstack' problem, afaik still not satisfactorily solved ( and i dun expect a solution ). gotta have remake of www.
mircea_popescu: and mp-wp hjas a special folder for this.
asciilifeform: where it is possible to e.g. cleanly parse N-deep linkage.
asciilifeform: and get at the unadorned text easily.
mircea_popescu: no need for n deep. just save copy of the item linked.
mircea_popescu: can be improved later.
asciilifeform: you'll want linkable passages, trilema-style, at all depths
asciilifeform: and possibly other refinement
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere
asciilifeform: lessee what the veteran www-wranglers ( trinque ? ben_vulpes ? ) say about this.
asciilifeform: ( 1-deep archivator suffers from , for instance, the misery of 'paged' texts. you get snapshot of page 9001, and... oops , the rest evaporated. etc )
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842466 : http://braythwayt.com/2013/10/04/the-freedom-to-pay-thirty-bux.html (meanwhile at https://github.com/raganwald/braythwayt.com/blob/gh-pages/_posts/2013-10-04-the-freedom-to-pay-thirty-bucks.md because, in the derp's own words, "i am an imbecile".)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 13:53 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
asciilifeform: i have this vague memory of 'raganwald' appearing in-chan, but apparently not
asciilifeform: 'But you can also choose to pay. And every time a reader like you does business with me and chooses to pay even though they have an alternative, we see the real worth...' << shareware's been around since '80s, nuffin new here
asciilifeform: whatever happened to the name, tho, i dun recall seeing it in print for , idk, 20y nao
asciilifeform: shareware, that is
mircea_popescu: i suppose on list of inca taboos. share != star-e.
asciilifeform: gotta be
mircea_popescu: which somehow reminds me -- the general reaction of the average retarded gringo ("retired" here because "Rich" etc dontcha know) upon running across my peculiar domestic arrangements ("she's my slave") is to propose they're hip to the whole scene, and mention swinger's clubs.
asciilifeform: 'in my chukcha village we have flight also, shaman gives flight mushroom'
mircea_popescu: like, we totally gotta go there someday. because the fact that their local "girlfriend" who "isn't a puta" but "you support, you know, financially" and "don't know if she'll be around in six months, or for that matter two" is immediately gravitating to my girls has ~0 to do with the fact they've been here years and speak less spanish than my bmw, and with the fact that the REASON they never learned it is because they fucking
mircea_popescu: have nothing to say, and like the fat loser in http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ ~rely~ on the woman not understanding them in the most mechanical of senses.
asciilifeform: i'll admit to a bit of surprise re the recurrence of the 'retireded gringo' in mircea_popescu's field reports, i was under impression that these were rare outside of reservation
mircea_popescu: so by this logic, the obvious thing i'd want to do is go to the place where idiots just like him take whores hired for the weekend, to trade my decade+ committed personal whores for their mercenary randos. because totally, i can't hire my own weekend whores if i feel like it, i gotta participate in the best buy of cunt.
asciilifeform: lol cunt kolhoz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're ubiquitous. nobody with any sense stays in the ustard lands ; which is why the us is so overpoweringly stupid. suffers from the africa effect -- everyone who's still there, still there FOR A REASON.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that old folx who cash their usg pension in bananistan instead of miami in any meanigful sense 'left'
asciilifeform: but who am i to say.
mircea_popescu: that's rarely wghat this is.
asciilifeform: oh hm, i thought it were
asciilifeform: what then is it usually
mircea_popescu: what it usually is, is dork made some $$$ and instead of going the http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/#selection-21.0-27.251 route (ie, aspiring to local politics) went the offshore route.
mircea_popescu: usually males, and usually after a divorce, whence they discovered that the land is utterly hostile.
asciilifeform: so esr tank runs dry in 15 y instead of 5, big fat diff, neh
mircea_popescu: whereas the females (generally enriched by a divorce, more rarely by a "career" ie stealing from men via tax/administrative apparatus rather than via "alimony"/court apparatus) stick and try to hilary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what can you do.
asciilifeform: lol, if asciilifeform knew 'what can do', would be buying plane ticket and going, doing it...
asciilifeform: in 'su 2.0', deceptively easy to physically leave
mircea_popescu: you keep telling yourself this story, whatever.
mircea_popescu: it's fucking easy to leave, and you're a moron for staying this long.
mircea_popescu: but then again, everyone gotta fuck his own ass in his own bed of nails, or w/e it is.
asciilifeform: [insert the mandatory mircea_popescu thread here]
mircea_popescu: too bad miss piggy's illiterate, her story'd have made a great read in context.
asciilifeform: i'm sure it would be great read
asciilifeform: dun think there is much in the practicals for asciilifeform & similar zeks to learn from the gurlz tho.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever learns from another other than in a metaphorical sense.
asciilifeform: also nao i'm curious, why illiterate
asciilifeform: where exactly is misspiggy from
mircea_popescu: well, she graduated with honros from college, apparently that does it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform purdue.
asciilifeform: aaah usa
asciilifeform: makes sense then.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, "it makes me so nervous but i trust you" explains the difference -- slave's well advantaged wrt zek. who's a zek to trust, he's supposed to be something entirely else.
asciilifeform: hey it says 'не верь, не бойся, не проси' right in zek handbook!111
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 01:42 mircea_popescu: but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
mircea_popescu: goes right in there with the whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22prophete%22 discussions etc.
asciilifeform: this is not , afaik, a particularly shocking/controversial observation
asciilifeform: and hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843033 . even dumbest male zek understands, nobody is waiting with open arms for him , unless in role of 'bullock', cheap protein on the hoof.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 17:39 asciilifeform: dun think there is much in the practicals for asciilifeform & similar zeks to learn from the gurlz tho.
mircea_popescu: now how is it that BingoBoingo manages ?
mircea_popescu is strategically "fortunate", no longer has to ask "now how is it i manage" a few years later. this, of course, happenstance.
asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform & co sent him, lol, with lander capsule.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: powered on
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: danke schon ! lemme test fire it, brb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yet rather http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809171 & http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781729
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:30 BingoBoingo: more heavily to the end of the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings to live amongst the retards.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 23:50 mircea_popescu: aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: worx! and kernel upgraded !
mod6: hey nice! Thanks Gentlemen.
asciilifeform: rk 'A' ready for new tenant.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: feel free to go on whatever yer next agenda item were.
asciilifeform: this box is habitable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform ty
asciilifeform: revisiting upthread : if mircea_popescu , or even say wykeham professor of logic , tells me 'yer a tard, problem is very simple' i'ma yes, nod, and not try to somehow argue that not. but it dun magically grow asciilifeform moar brain, can only go and think, and possibly one day think out of paper bag, how else.
asciilifeform: for instance brin the elder told me ~20y ago that 'yer a tard', i did not argue then also.
asciilifeform: and still to this day working through how.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:17 mircea_popescu: there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see no problem with it.
mircea_popescu: the other side of "it works if you work it" being obviously that you gotta work it till it works.
asciilifeform: i'd rather go straight to the very bottom of the deep sea, than to be 'saved' like the chix in that story was 'saved' ( not that noncuntbearing folx run much risk of this kind of fate, but there are cases on record )
mircea_popescu: and why ? \
asciilifeform: lol i had nfi this needed a why
mircea_popescu: hey, doesn't need it, but can take it.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/south-africas-first-targets-in-farm-seizure-program-are-private-hunting-reserves/ << Qntra - South Africa's First Targets In Farm Seizure Program Are Private Hunting Reserves
asciilifeform: i'm not in the habit of retrofitting a why to where there wasn't one. i suppose i have one set of jumper settings, she -- another, or i'd be in #darpa or wherever the capons and kanzures live, and not here
mircea_popescu: no tulpas for you, eh ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the correct thing to do, from pov of the 'kulaks', would be to 1) have nuke waste from ru flown in , and spread generously on nao-'government' land 2) for btc
asciilifeform: 'hunting reserve' lol.
mircea_popescu: at least we have a working model of how this whole "psychological transsexualism" business work. "trapped" my fucking left foot.
mircea_popescu will confess he always found it suspicious how a buncha derps who "never heard of trilema" somehow magically decided they're really women trapped in wrong bodies the VERY FUCKING MOMENT male market value dropped to nothing at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt that's it, the 'market value' of postoperative strange is ~= 0 in either male or female 'hut'
asciilifeform: tho i suppose as pure cargo cult, hypothesis floats
mircea_popescu: somehow unknown in the days of Denn träf jede Kugel apart ihren Mann wo kriegten die Könige ihre Soldaten dann?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but ~mentally~ see... psychologic mechanisms resolve psychological problems, not real.
asciilifeform: it'd be 1 thing if they were all makin' their way, on anyffing that floats or flies, to thailand or wherever the aficionados live
asciilifeform: but afaik they aint
mircea_popescu: because this isn't a practical consideration.
mircea_popescu: the first and foremost task before every would-be "intelligence", artificial or otherwise, is to silence the johnson noise.
mircea_popescu: how about that! isn't that the greatest pun that ever lived ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: frederick's men were likewise free of sr-90 in bones, and corn syrop fat, and 9000+ else. i have nfi specifically what to pin whichever diff on, therefore.
mircea_popescu: right. i pick heuristically rather than systematically.
asciilifeform: re 'johnson noise', absolutely troo, and can't think how could disagree
trinque dying over here over johnson noise
asciilifeform: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843083 item, i suspect it is same general psychopathology as prisoners who bang their heads, blow up own feet with blasting caps, etc to get a stint in hospital as break from butugychag uranium vein tunnel, 'care' from medics, etc
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 18:21 mircea_popescu will confess he always found it suspicious how a buncha derps who "never heard of trilema" somehow magically decided they're really women trapped in wrong bodies the VERY FUCKING MOMENT male market value dropped to nothing at all.
asciilifeform: afaik in german camps nobody chopped off own hands, feet, there was no +ev in it
asciilifeform: folx who wanted curtain call, jumped the wire, got shot fulla holes, errybody else -- not, no choppings or other oddities, nobody particularly eager to lie down in mengele's hospital.
mircea_popescu: rather, tis the necessary blossom of bogart's "all that dun ammount to a hill of beans in this crazy world". the necessary result of the "rationalist" fallacy (seen sprawling in say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828645 ) and the century reversal of the penile fixation (from stuffy vienna's "civilised world" anxiety of "what if dad cuts it off" to today's stuffy washington's "civilised world" anxity of "what if it plays t
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 04:08 mircea_popescu: btw, did we do the "you too can be novelist, buy our narrative card deck and kit" 1800s us entrepreneurialism ?
mircea_popescu: he same role as the chunk of wood on dog's collar, prevents it from going through the bars"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 17:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, "it makes me so nervous but i trust you" explains the difference -- slave's well advantaged wrt zek. who's a zek to trust, he's supposed to be something entirely else.
mircea_popescu: the notion of this imaginary "perfectibility" of the individual human had to crash eventually.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 18:05 asciilifeform: revisiting upthread : if mircea_popescu , or even say wykeham professor of logic , tells me 'yer a tard, problem is very simple' i'ma yes, nod, and not try to somehow argue that not. but it dun magically grow asciilifeform moar brain, can only go and think, and possibly one day think out of paper bag, how else.
mircea_popescu: because, at the risk of repeating ourselves, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843034
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 17:40 mircea_popescu: nobody ever learns from another other than in a metaphorical sense.
asciilifeform: hey i have nfi what is this mythical 'perfectability', on my home planet we have 'горбатого могила исправит' instead
mircea_popescu: there's this nonsense that emerged as a replacement jolly-joker philosophy out of the french revolution. they had a major problem picking something to believe in, and eventually settled on "humanism" in the "enlightenment" sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: much like the united states were stuck because the only king they had avaialble didn't want the job, ended up enthroning a length of poster.
mircea_popescu: basically, "all humans could be any other humans, and if they aren't it's because NOT YET". much better than whatever marat believed in, or the jacobins, or etc. and here by "better" we mean both a) inconsequential, improductive, entirely steriole and b) flashy, marketable
mircea_popescu: in short, it's better because it produces no things and lots of words -- the ideal state for the jwz. that's what neil simon wants of life, yes, a situation where no things issue but as many words as possible.
mircea_popescu: then "consumerism" is the perfect hidey hut for this state of affairs -- "oh, we're dedicated to the production of things" "yes, for as long as they lack any substance".
mircea_popescu: i suppose the best illustration for this problem is ye olde bullet. as proper a quanta of civilisation as one might ever pick.
asciilifeform: absolutely proper
mircea_popescu: do you realise less than one in a million hits anything these days ?! never has the quarry/bullet relationship been this tenuous.
asciilifeform: recall the 'small bullet'/'covering fire' thread aha
mircea_popescu: in a sense, there's never been things that were contained of as little thingness. really, 1ppm or less ? such performance takes surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
mircea_popescu: and so let's talk about which can of pepsi etc.
asciilifeform: with auto rifle comes 'spray and pray, why learn to aim', with TB disk -- 'why care how many kb is 'hello world'', etc
asciilifeform: seems inevitable
asciilifeform: there's a d00d on my street who goes on, i shit thee not, 10 minute long car trips. 8 or so times in a day. ( i think, to buy mcfood ) but just picture this .
asciilifeform: painful to think on what most petrol in usa is used. i suspect -- this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that jacobins etc actually believed in anyffing other than 'let's burn shit down'
asciilifeform: ( and also not clear that it didn't desperately need burnin' down, for that matter )
asciilifeform: 'first kill the inca, then we think what next' is imho 100% legit programme.
mircea_popescu: even if that were so, it's a different belief from impotence-on-wheels.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, jacobin stands today for "an immoderate search for truth, more liable to burn shit down than discover any truths".
mircea_popescu: immaturity, if you will, most intelligent small children are consumed by a desire to destroy their toys to see what's inside.
asciilifeform destroyed unspeakably fine toys by the crateload, to the great frustration of his elder brother
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: jacobin stage.
asciilifeform: speaking of this, if any l1 folx wants the c101pa carcass, probes and all, and the spare MBs etc, plox to write in
mircea_popescu: weren't you going to do an inventory of your midden, to finance something or the other at some point ?
asciilifeform: to free up space, lol
asciilifeform: i dun expect it'll add up to financing-anyffing
asciilifeform doesn't own much in the way of toys with aftermarket value
mircea_popescu: lol alfie, maybe one day you're famous enough for http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-12-18.log.html#t20:44:22
asciilifeform: 'shards of the true cross'(tm)(r) eh
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-12-18 20:44:22: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 163 has ENDED: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. SOLD to danielpbarron for 1mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: incidentally, for they interested in "price theory" : the above is an exemplar of an interesting class of economic objects, anti-metropolitan let's call them.
asciilifeform: hm wassat
mircea_popescu: because the actual item delivered (something + ~shipping~) varies according to who buys it, there's actually a larger incentive for agents located ~at the periphery~ to buy it. ie, if you live in paris and shipping is 1 ecu, a bit of 100 ecu means you're paying 99 ecu for the item. if you live however in christchurch and shipping is 99 ecu, a 100 ecu bid means you're getting the item for 1 ecu.
mircea_popescu: obviously people bake in the cost of their peripheral-ness in their price judgements, which is why i'm willing to pay 10 bux a pound for cherries here, whereas in romania they're ~free for the picking.
asciilifeform: FG was also fixed-shipping-cost also neh
mircea_popescu: consequently, this sort of auction actually favours the shipping, especially of choice goods, AWAY from the city.
mircea_popescu: ie, "all good things flow ~away~ from the town", reversal of ye olde greek observation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik. and mostly sold to non-metropolitans, because those are fucked in the head and have "fashions" to explain why they suck.
asciilifeform: this is troo of just about all industrial goods tho
mircea_popescu: in any case, let it not be said economy is ~necessarily~ centralizing. if one uses the strand of centralizing devices, it can be. one doesn't have to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. notice how amazon carefully charges the shipping separately.\
mircea_popescu: but yes, it could be. if not specifically suppressed ~by policy~, the major-est market for german machinery would have been russia, and the biggest buyers of machineguns the zulu etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that back in its native orcistan , lulazon appeals largely by playing subscription games with shipping
mircea_popescu: as it is, the politics carefully (and secretly) constraining it, all that's left visible is harmless nonsense, a la "saudis buyers of luxury cars"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right.
mircea_popescu: kinda my point here.
asciilifeform: the only reason i even use lulazon for anyffing, 'pay 80bux/y and the rest of the yr can order 3 m3 screws and two metres of #10 copper shipped sameday for 0 extra' etc
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general, a most important chore of the republic is to destroy the economic basis of "paris", ie the notional metropolis,
mircea_popescu: using the sort of devices which make inca's seat an added tax, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842669 , rather than a natural bonus, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842837
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 20:17 mircea_popescu: "you want diplomatic relations, first you pay 10x what we think you broke should be valued at, then maybe"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 22:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, ~this~ is the "network effect" advantage : that should amazon's cart fail for three minutes, amazon would lose ~0 dollar value -- those schmucks will just come back. this is the niche the empire ever hopes to inhabit, and that it works is directly evident in the decrease of quality of life the zeks permitted over the past century. great-grandfather of ustard, ozlander or argentine lived A LOT better than the grandfath
mircea_popescu: in general, "sell the policeman an apple for twice what you'd sell it to an orc" is sounder policy than alternatives.
asciilifeform: lulazon is inca-centralizing to an extent lolmart et al could only have dreamed of -- ~0 competition in described space
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 20:37 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, if you think m3 ~screw~ is impossible to find in shops here -- try a ~tap~. one time asciilifeform broke a m3 tap and wanted a replacement quickly, and like complete idiot tried to buy ~in shops~. result : wasted weekend )
asciilifeform: 'the giant sat down in chair' or how did mircea_popescu put it in the old piece
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 21:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: astronomical rents, i suspect, also play a part. it is ~impossible to stay open if you stock anything that doesn't move continuously. specialist shops are the first to die.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit tho is that industrial production (not even speaking of laboratory experimentation) is agonizingly centralized; if i had to set up FG production in bananistan, would prolly still be stuck sourcing resistors, and tearing out hair, like kurt tank in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839406
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 14:14 asciilifeform: kurt tank tore out his hair, iirc 'they don't even know how to make machine screws'
asciilifeform: ( usa is pretty far along this zimbabweization continuum, and definitely sliding as we speak, but it is still possible to get parts there in day or 2 , reliably. for nao... )
asciilifeform: the end of that road loox something like BingoBoingostan, where if you want to get something other than pile of goat shit or a 'samsung' lcd tv, gotta smuggle it past the border in anal pouches
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: in fact the us is pretty much there, it's just you don't live in "midwest".
asciilifeform: midwest ~= africa, just about, by nao, yes.
mircea_popescu: but yes, world of monkeys reverts to monkey world.
asciilifeform: some monkey reservations still sitting on result of 100+y of human activity; others -- not; is the only real diff.
asciilifeform: this goes even for the asian industrial titans. last i knew, chinese ic fabs still were using gear from siemens etc
asciilifeform: ( the remnants of ru ic capability -- definitely known to. fughet even ic, even kalash in izhevsk made on german mills. )
mircea_popescu: ye olde hope of the "democratic" "paficist" panworldism : if nobody can as much as fart without involving ~everyone else, "world peace".
asciilifeform: well, s/everyone else/inca . but yes
mircea_popescu: very much a direct translation of "throwing the curve", ie, "if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842058 then therefore prof MP can't flunk as all for not having had done the homework"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
mircea_popescu: very much that and nothing at all else.
mircea_popescu: "if everything's uncomputably large then therefore i no longer have to be able to say 7 * 69 = 483 within a second or so"
asciilifeform: the red man, destroyed with firewater, ru indigenous ic factories -- with siemens gear, and pdp11. worked .
mircea_popescu: "why should anyone have to notice 69's but a 7 under 70"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should try this 'riddle' on fresh off the boat usian gurlz, btw. i shit thee not, they dun teach the 'times table' nomoar
mircea_popescu: oh, i know.
mircea_popescu: how do you think i came up with it.
asciilifeform: lol suspected
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i get to read, you realise, the A papers of contemporary valedictorians and whatnot. the incas' brightest and bravest, career women to the last soul and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: and what a sight it is.
mircea_popescu: then idiots wanna talk about "what'd millionaires do with their time". certaintly, certainly not this, taking apart the heart of one's enemies so not on the list.
ben_vulpes: eyy, anyone want to guess what i found in the toothpaste?
mircea_popescu: an earring.
mircea_popescu: what, i guessed ?
mircea_popescu: try bilka. sounds lulzy, but it's ok bulgarian "homeopathic" producer.
ben_vulpes: "homeopathic"? almost but not quite exactly ersatz ersatz or what
mircea_popescu: find out just how well the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843161 pipe dream works.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 20:03 asciilifeform: the only reason i even use lulazon for anyffing, 'pay 80bux/y and the rest of the yr can order 3 m3 screws and two metres of #10 copper shipped sameday for 0 extra' etc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is how things go in lulzistan : "nutty" ideologies that survive do so because pick up the practical slack of soviet idiocy.
asciilifeform: lol seems like they stock the bulgarian thing!
mircea_popescu: hence mormons, "we belive in weird shit, bless our underwear ~~~AND DON'T TOLERATE ANNOYING WOMEN~~~".
mircea_popescu: hence whatever, orthodox jews, "we wear weird hair AND OUR FOODSTUFFS ARE EDIBLE"
mircea_popescu: this is where "homeopathic" ended up : "want some toothpaste without mint, sugar or fluoride ? aaaaaahahahah, here you go."
asciilifeform wonders what goes in 'homeopathic' toothpaste -- clostridium ?!
mircea_popescu: just normal toothpaste.
asciilifeform: why pitched as homeopathic then
mircea_popescu: it HAS to be "strange" and "weird", otherwise can't make it in the ocean of "woke" shit.
mircea_popescu: because reddit did it.
mircea_popescu: this is at the heart of soviet survival -- "we call it this but really it does that" aka http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561507
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 22:03 mircea_popescu: phf no, they just didn't have fish at the fish shop ; the meat they didn't have at the meat shop.
asciilifeform: lulzily i documented this in the past , in http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177
a111: Logged on 2015-09-03 01:37 asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
a111: Logged on 2016-02-15 17:58 asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'
mircea_popescu: if you think of it as a potentials map, suddenly it becomes evident : large cancerous accretion mass drives all other things closer together
mircea_popescu: "from outer space, paris right next to berlin"
asciilifeform: sometimes reaches riotous heights of lulz, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#935089
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
asciilifeform: for a laugh, look some time for spectrum analyzer on lulazon. will find 9000 'homeopathic' boxes for 'finding the cia mind control rays'.
mircea_popescu: you know those are actually a whole subculture ?
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, at least a subset of these, ~are~ a kind of orcish spectral analyzer. but missing massive chunks of spectrum , 0 provision for external antennae , mostly display johnson noise )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, i know, to my grief
mircea_popescu: stuff to do in the "den" for the sort of retard who can't figure out by looking whether charger cord reaches the socket or not, gotta try it out
asciilifeform: try an' buy any of a coupla basic things, and before you know it you're knee deep in the liquishit
asciilifeform: approx same 'analyzer' that you'd get simply by connecting a germanium diode across a hardware shop voltmeter.
mircea_popescu: generally the "intuitive" interface gives it away.
mircea_popescu: "push this button to detect" sorta lulzitems.
asciilifeform: aha, blinkenlights, 'guarantees', 3-4fig price, the lot.
mircea_popescu: kinda in the manner windows-only interface gvies away the george supran-style "scientists", the kind that researches community consensuses.
asciilifeform: sadly enuff i've personally used a $1mil mass spec with win95 on it
asciilifeform: you'd be disgusted if saw what runs typical 'pro' gear.
asciilifeform: ( 1 time asciilifeform took such a piece of industrial gear, carefully stripped off the microshit, wrote replacement, and tried to sell as product... but this tale is in the l0gz somewhere )
asciilifeform: if i had known that the real problem is the win95 that runs in natotards' ~heads~, would have saved coupla yrs of life and be somewhat less poor nao...
trinque: poor guy. I had the good fortune to watch half a hardware startup get laid off at 16.
asciilifeform: lol why only half
trinque: (somehow... didn't can trinque)
asciilifeform: the rest boiled accordion and lived another month ?
trinque: asciilifeform: don't worry, other half had to get raped on stock options prior to subsequent sale
mircea_popescu: "pro" is not meaningful in and of itself.
asciilifeform: ha, made a sale. that's much farther than asciilifeform got..
trinque: sale for debt afaik, investors also fucked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd be surprised what % of trumpeted "great soviet financial coups" are exactly of the substance and consistency of forum investors' victories.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik ~100%
asciilifeform: 'groupon' et al.
mircea_popescu: rare exceptions, a la http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ ; mostly from the early days of the chumpatron
mircea_popescu: back when the gaskets leaked.
asciilifeform: point upstack being, 100% of what i've touched with own hands of 'adult' heavy equip without microshit or systemd etc in it somewhere, was 1980s vintage or earlier.
asciilifeform: typically even these have a greybeard 'attached' to the thing, lovingly tends the msdos 5.0 on old scsi disk, etc
asciilifeform: then he retires and it goes to scrapyard, and replaced with 'modern', lol.
asciilifeform: the bolix item where subj was documented in l0gz in detail, was merely 1 example.
asciilifeform: dun even have to go far into 'exotica' to witness this. 1 slave galley had a spiffy $maxint automatic book digitizer, that was a paperweight for decade+ because lost its greybeard and the ancient crapple it was tethered to
asciilifeform: ( 'it dept' carted away the 'obsolete' early-90s crapple, leaving the nao-useless scanner thing to sit sadly , occupying good chunk of a room )
mircea_popescu: don't use crapple.
asciilifeform: nao if somebody had seen it fit to tell the machine builder that !
asciilifeform: ( heavy gear, incidentally, typically ships with the tethered comp, as a set )
asciilifeform: the comp per se is tiny % of the bill.
mircea_popescu: and slides in under the "who'd pull a stink over 0.85%"
asciilifeform: naturally. it's somewhere down with the table legs.
mircea_popescu: then you're stuck maintaining a whole "it department", the idiotic airs of "superiority" by the dweebs involved y compris, because gotta interface all that junk.
mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of the 80s...
mircea_popescu: the 90s is when this shit ~mostly died.
asciilifeform: afaik in '80s the comp was responsibility of instrument man, no 'dept' yet.
mircea_popescu: it was an item continuously, since the days of chet tryina get 3 different shit packages to work by excruciating them on a wide wooden plank
mircea_popescu: all the way to typographic nonsense in the 80s, which is why crapple even exists today.
mircea_popescu: fuck all that shit, two generations of castrated morons thinking they have something to say to this world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was, believe , a u.s. army shitshow. and we had locking doors simply to separate the valuable gear from 'it dept'
mircea_popescu: where's that trilema piece with the "baby turtles would have eaten you for breakfast" thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'square holes' one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-647.0-659.1
mircea_popescu: !!key kaniini
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: kaniini you gonna get with the program or get lost ?
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, perl.
asciilifeform: nah, ... erlang
asciilifeform: !#s erlang
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want to compile every time a web hits
asciilifeform: dour swedish 1980s industrial item, with a very brief ameri-renaissance in 2000s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody, it's presumably bugola
asciilifeform: seealso old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634747 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634769, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634714 threads
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:43 asciilifeform: anyway erlang is imho only worth discussing as part of a larger pattern -- industry after industry independently discovered that c -- and its entire approach to logic -- is poison
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:50 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )
mircea_popescu: mod6 can you spin me up a mp-wp instance on the shared item, see if we can counteract the illiterate part ?
asciilifeform: 'handy little tool here to identify potentially harmful users of the reddit community' << lol!!
asciilifeform: по просьбе трудящихся (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly
mod6: asciilifeform BingoBoingo : Can you guys address Mr. Popescu's request above here ^. I haven't the slightest idea on that stuff.
mod6 goes to catch up on ze l0gz
BingoBoingo: Sure can do. Does she have an SSH pubkey?
mod6: Ok, so I think I can help with this here too -- as soon as we have an SSH key. There is a script to do at least the useradd part of this, which I can attempt to run with the given key.
mod6: Whomever the user is, must also be in the wot as part of the script requires that the executor to enter in a password for the user, then PGP encrypting that temporary password to the user in the WoT.
mod6: I'm not sure if this is all that is required to setup wpmp though. I'm going to guess not.
mod6: ben_vulpes: can you fill in the gaps here ^?
mod6 goes back to reading the log
BingoBoingo: In other mine finds, "Redactora Freelance" is a things n>=1 girl uses to describe her latina job
mod6: finally caught up here.