ave1: !Q later tell phf, I found the raw logs here
http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:25 mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck is it that i can restate alf's fg problems in terms of a mmorpg ?" and so on.
mircea_popescu: as the perdurant reader no doubt noticed, i'm a great restationist.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentallty, being the only metaphysics question worth asking
mircea_popescu: none of the usual bullshit, "why something rather than nothing" "what is god" bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: no. WHY arithmetics works on bricks and apples alike ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking reason "directly available". not all sets gotta be the same kinds of sets.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, i just added a comment to puzzler blog post but seems cut off mid way
Mocky: oh prolly my use of angle brackts for arrows ->
Mocky: we need more angle brackts
mircea_popescu: anyway, repost your whole thing and ima delete the abortive attempt
mircea_popescu: what can you do, provide pre-structured comment fields ?
phf: asciilifeform: beat me to it, re puzzler as graph traversal
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 hours and 50 minutes ago: <ave1> found the raw logs here
http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
mircea_popescu: imo this is a fine example to teach the failure of "no inband!!!"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 22:10 asciilifeform: but this is 'obvious to alert reader'(tm)(r)
phf: asciilifeform: well, i suppose _i_ was expected to say "oh it's just a SAT"
mircea_popescu: imo current parser right thing -- it removes all non-permitted tags, which includes all non-terminated tags.
mircea_popescu: how about people learn to write proper html for once ?
mircea_popescu: you are talking to a computer ; if you open a tag you close it ; nobody gives a shit what you ~thought~ the alphabet meant.
mircea_popescu: support for they naive is not worth having. know what talking to a computer means as part of your existing in the world, which is to say, outsider of the harem where some slave spawned you.
Mocky: aha, I suspected something like this would surface
Mocky: completely unknown to me
phf: ave1: ah thank you, i forgot that i kept the two separate. the folder is not exposed, but i'll merge the two together. there's also an even older (spotty) log from apr 2012 to oct 2013, that includes pre #b-a #bitcoin-otc content, that's available through btcbase, but exists only in xchat (?) log format, that i parse
mircea_popescu: heh, remember when "car manufacturers", got dekulakized by the pantsuit, resulting in some shit packaged in ye olde "mercedes" "wv" etc boxes, which then didn't work worth a shit ?
mircea_popescu: but remember when politburo decided shit sandwich just as good as imperialistic-bourgeois decadent cured meats ?
mircea_popescu: and pravda wasn't allowed to publish benchmarks anymoar ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, picture also the morons making all the "smart" airport humiliation technology, golf club in one hand, martini in another, trying to figure out how their entire hr dept imploded over the weekend and what to do about it./
mircea_popescu: the ineluctable fate of dead empire, stuck pretending, is that everything's a succession of single points of failure.
mircea_popescu: outsiders can't readily appreciate the sheer POVERTY of all these chosen sons.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Catch is if they hire the wrong secretary, they are the next firm to implode
BingoBoingo: Well, hr chix are also responsible for making a hostile work environment by promoting 500 species of harrasments
BingoBoingo: Well, that's probably why the condensed their HR department to this single HR operator.
BingoBoingo: I can't imagine there is a surplus of HR chix capable of working alone or in sufficiently small groups to avoid creating a culture of drama.
mircea_popescu: no, seriously. this is the live-on-boat thing all over again.
mircea_popescu: do you realise that ~the whole item is powered out of"clerical error" ? "you put wrong x on wrong color form, now you owe six figures" ?
mircea_popescu: sold house at wrong time, added to "401k" wrong amount, bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: most of these people ~are poor~. single clerical error in hr can destructure a firm through the simple procedure of "director" is now "inmate" as can not afford to pay tax bills ?
mircea_popescu: there's 0 slack on one hand ; and the whole thing is powered on "mistake".
mircea_popescu: what "cpa" ? hr does everything. payroll, relocation, you name it.
mircea_popescu: you are talking of a world that only exists in your own imagination.
mircea_popescu: someone's gotta pay for all the women sitting around dreaming shit up.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-30 02:26 asciilifeform: 'Iz this Nutzi land so good / Would you leave it if you could / Ja, this Nutzi land is good / Ve would leave it if we could!'
phf: 1st of emigres to go straight into natostan * were serious world-class talent, others worked cashier jobs
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 15:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:39 mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
Mocky: but i've been thinking on this, and I do think it's possible to come up with one that works in linear time
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:59:23: <diana_coman> so you want to ever mix only same quantity of items and of qualities either both odd or both even so you don't lose anything
Mocky: turns out oversimplification
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's certainly possible to give maximal step count though O(n) heuristic.
Mocky: asciilifeform, at the time, wasn't trying to confirm correctness of problem statement, was trying to deliver useful feature as described
mircea_popescu: yeah, what diana specified there was basically the already extant private item.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm sorry, but ima have to refund you. whole exercise turned into a massive pile of idiocy. im closing an entire bank out of the loop over their idiotic misbehaviour ; we'll have to try this again later on.
Mocky: asciilifeform, sure but demonstrating overtight constraint in extant algo dun do either. nor does proposing A* without heuristic
mircea_popescu: fucking useless "banks", i swear to god by now it's the exact equivalent of "technology" from bed sitting room, guy-pedals-electricity.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah ok, thanks for the update. I'll get back to ya here in a bit on what's best for unwind.
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_away: hey, thanks asciilifeform ! back from the Pacific here, still no ocelot
lobbesbot: diana_away: Sent 3 days, 18 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> what if we hard-forbid low ids, server side as ad interim measure ?
BingoBoingo wondering if Costa Rica does Arepas or if those never made it across the Darien Gap
BingoBoingo: diana_away: Latino johnny cakes. A flat cornbread just thick enough to split and stuff with other Latino foods.
diana_away: hm, here they have this "tres leches" cake that kid is in love with
diana_away: food wise to be honest I kept to fish and seafood which are both good and fruit which is clearly an entire level above what one gets in europe but apparently I like it better in cocktails if anything
diana_away: I'm not much for tropical fruit apparently
diana_away: I even had a "shrimp spaguetti" with white whine and what-not - it was delicious; oh, and the fig cake - this should be on asciilifeform's list I'd say
BingoBoingo: All the expats from baseball latino lands (Colombia/Vzla) seem to love Maracuyá (passion fruit), but I find the flavor rather astringent and bitter.
diana_away: I guess I should give that one another try here too
BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
diana_away: this clearly had more wine and shrimp than pasta so it was good :D
BingoBoingo: Most pastas here are underwhelming, but when you add shrimp they charge too much of a premium for the disappointment.
BingoBoingo: This is not a very seafood oriented culture despite proximity to the sea
diana_away: I found funny here this thing with american-pretending-to-be-italian food esp salami in the supermarket
BingoBoingo: In the supermarket we also get mixed English/Spanish food labeling. Like the envelope of "Arroz Primavera" which is subtitled "Rice Primavera"
diana_away: on the bright side I can say that I got along with my adapted italian so far
diana_away: ticos seem generally eager to figure it out anyway, so it works
BingoBoingo: Or the "Manteca de mani: Creamy" which looking closer at the label came to Uruguay from Germany via Venezuala
diana_away: BingoBoingo: are people in uruguay walking on the side of the motorway too?
BingoBoingo: And the motocicletas use the sidewalks for delicate maneuvers
diana_away: they had at some point this big sign reading "more monkeys than people" so perhaps they know something about it
diana_away: oh and the great sign on the beach: "sandwishes allowed@
diana_away: kid loves the monkeys but he found some very friendly "amigos" ticos rather too much
BingoBoingo: I did learn this week that the word for guinea pig in Spanish is "Cuy" so I can have fun with that asking vendors at the feria to help me pick a good one for dinner
BingoBoingo: It turns out the get the "pig" in their name because they do look like little pigs when you get the hair off of them.
BingoBoingo: The kid may be disappointed by the lack of monkeys in Uruguay
diana_away: ah, I'd always thought they looked more like fat rats
diana_away: there were some monkeys going on the wires with the tails curled on a higher wire so it was basically trolleybus monkeys
diana_away: although the red ones which are the only proper squirrels look less like rats
diana_away: re picking stuff, I did ask for some chicken for the child at one restaurant and what he got clearly went moo in its life but since he did not complain anyway...
BingoBoingo: I'm still calibrating when/where to have low expectations here
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Alright, sorry to keep you waiting here. I'd say Pizarro is fine to hang on to ECU if we can try again in the next say, 60 days. This would eliminate the step of having to buy ECU (which clearly isn't a problem anyway). Otherwise, you can just !!pay. Amount was 1.1bn ECU. I originally bought 1.2bn from dpb, and I was going to hold the remaining 100mn until the end of the year, unless we
mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
trinque: I'll try to find time to reproduce soon. you are correct that the var in script needs to point to the version of portage in distfiles.
trinque: will otherwise reply on teh blag
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 17:59 asciilifeform: i can't speak for what particularly they're manacled to, only for self, tho.
trinque: if soon, I'm going to ride it out right here.
trinque can't argue it wont happen, or whether I have to shoot somebody breaking in tonight, or...
trinque: who in this model is the jew, in the present case
mircea_popescu: what's the ratio of those to men > 50 who ~used~ to own a house ?
trinque: quite a few, but my meatwot isn't generally representative
mircea_popescu: well, it's the argument he's bringing. "whether the pantsuit "nationalize" property for reasons to do with the property, like the soviet-pantsuit, or for reasons to do with you, like the nazi-pantsuit, fact remains they're stealing shit because they're socialists, that's what they do"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
trinque: sure, only thing I'd counter is the game by which they steal is the same test-taking nonsense seen elsewhere
mircea_popescu: herr heinrich who used to have a nuts and botls factory which hitler took from him because "we had a dreirich younger and better and managing your factory" or which stalin took from him "Because factories don't belong with heinrichs", in the end the same thing occured.
trinque: it's not as though anyone's coming at me with quantum physics on an IRS form
mircea_popescu: trinque the proposition is that to believe you understand "the method" is a nonsense stance, in a circumstance where "the method" is mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: yes, "you understant how esltard chicks mate", dates, whatever. looky here : the cunt will fill up, there's no method. there's only fashion, and fashion's a) irrational and b) unreliable.
trinque: this imagined circumstance where they're even 5% effective is just that.
mircea_popescu: "needed" being rhetorical flourish. i don't crush ants because needed.
trinque: they're not staffed for that
trinque: where is the wonderland without "oops X fucked your Y" and I'll pack today
trinque: I recall plenty of razorwire in CR. decorative?
BingoBoingo: Seriously, here they have metal fences around everything. Totally decorative
mircea_popescu: also he should have said decorative??? like in those old pot awareness psas.
BingoBoingo: Some here top there fences with small electric fences. Stotting behavior
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 22:41 BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
BingoBoingo: They only happen here ~10 feet up on top of unelectrified barriers.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:20 asciilifeform: Mocky, mircea_popescu , diana_away , et al : anybody find closed form for 'q1 and q2 miscible or not' ? all i have is Na(Qa - k) + Nb(Qb - k) = 0, for 1<=Na<=size(pileA), 1<=Nb<=size(pileB), integer k exists , but no better
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:21 mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
mircea_popescu: closed form is closed form, fuck you and mz. heuristics tied together to the same pole.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, go ahead and !!pay 1.2 BTC back to me, and I'll meet ya on eulora to pay you 100mn ECU. Thanks!
mod6: im in old-town when you're ready
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:57 mircea_popescu: also he should have said decorative??? like in those old pot awareness psas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically via diophantine : if a and b is a natural interval then a*p + b * q (p, q arbitrary constants) will not admit factors ever so often (when they sum to a prime)
mircea_popescu: though our constraint is narrower than "not admit factors", but if you do the whole thing in modulo-ai+bi...
mod6: oh when p and q are 1?
mircea_popescu: consider the intervals of N (0...a], (0...b]. for two arbitrary values from N, p, q. the sum of the series-product in the ring modulo-sum is ~sometimes~ 0.
mircea_popescu: numerically : (0..100], (0..80], 17, 19. 1 * 17 + 5 * 19 modulo (1+5) = 4.
mircea_popescu: seems to me that EXACTLY like in the original case of the diophantine approach to "just how many primes are there" we've in fact drawn a conical here in a multi-dimesional space.
mircea_popescu: this function is neither derivable nor even continuous. can call it eulora mix function or w/e.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844008 << the criterion rather seems to be "old[er] male". which even has a lot of historical backing (perhaps most amusing of which, anyone know how the problem of double-spent land grants was solved upon the death of caesar ?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:30 asciilifeform: ( currently seems to stick to preying on the bottom half of the bell curve, mostly, but i suspect this won't last )
mod6: must have timed out.
mod6: no nevermind. im over by Heina.
mod6: Oooh. Sorry thought that was old town.
mod6: oh shit, it's a gif. i bet if i stare long enough a dragon pops out at me.
mircea_popescu: the thing is : if you mix portions of both stacks you gain ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: put x% of stack a in stack b === mix stack b with portion of a and place the result where stack b stood before.
mircea_popescu: now mind you, we have no proof that this is correct approach. maybe by strewning out piles you get better results in the end.
mircea_popescu: one obvious strategy : make q1 piles of everything, then min-max them, sorta like bubble sort.
mircea_popescu: there can't be inmiscible more-than-two-not-same-q piles.
mircea_popescu: 3 or more piles of diff q are always miscible further.
mircea_popescu: im right, im right. there's a reason we're using "two stacks of diff parities" as stop condition.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love the pretense that dumb whale has "a life".
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 21:29 Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
Mocky: for sake of argument, possible it rejects 3/4 of worst moves
mircea_popescu wipes tear from eye, brought forth by how eulora will entertain even the blackhearted heretics who won't "play" it. it is a tear of joyous schadenfreunde.
Mocky: but looky, maybe not 20 steps exactly, but more than 2, *no question*
mircea_popescu: you'll never make the tops, but then again not everyone does.
mod6: rent rockchip, make text-only-client, setup foxybot, profit???
mircea_popescu: it's mockybot these days tho. he finally released one that works, i've been mining with it all week.
mod6: maybe i'll give that a shot this weekend. i love mining
mircea_popescu: me too! i used to not really be able to do so much, but nowadays...
mod6: remember doing it all by hand? my arm used to hurt after hours of this lol.
mircea_popescu: didn't thickasthieves get carpal ? or am i conflating stories ?
mircea_popescu: i recall this being a topic at c1, and me going "oh, there'll be bots"
mod6: i dunno, maybe? i felt like my arm was gonna fall off a few times. but never as bad as anything perm.
mod6: but we were all running around hording up all kinds of loot.
mod6: i read that they're abundant nao tho
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> didn't thickasthieves get carpal ? or am i conflating stories ? << Mats has carpal, TAT went terminally comment section butthurt
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 02:02 Mocky: but looky, maybe not 20 steps exactly, but more than 2, *no question*
Mocky: neither could it be done in 3*P. my given example I'd wager 50/50 if it could be done in 4*P
Mocky: based on intuition, which i shall explain
Mocky: the 1xq1 item has a tiny mass compared to the 200 ~q1000 items, and will resolve into the q1000 pile. theres no way to mix a q1 up to q1000 using only ~q1000 items in 10 or less moves. it's just got a long way to go
mircea_popescu: Mocky : mix 1q1 with 99q 1001. new set is now 100q1k, 100q991, 1q 1001. then mix 1q1001 with 9q991. new set is 100q1k, 91q991, 10q992.
mircea_popescu: next you split the 100 into the 991 and 992 groups and you're done.
mircea_popescu: next you split the 100 into the 991 and 992 groups and you're done.
Mocky: i'm going to take a minute and verify that. but i expect you to be right, and then im gonna come back and say "ah, but i chose a bad example"
Mocky: looks right, so my intuition is clearly ill informed. imma see what else I can see