#trilema | 2018-09-12

mircea_popescu: that there's little difference, of either form or substance, and massive overlap of drive and interest uniting "the protocols of zion"-like stuff with "der sturmer"-like stuff with upton moore / michael sinclair -like stuff, with the WHOLE rest of protestant literature joint and several is, i suppose, the one thing pantsuit would least hear.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's very much the case.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo content is confirmed ok, thank you; currently collecting data from fg for tests - this part will take a while

lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 10 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests

asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw fg is not affected by resets; but i won't presume ever to tell anybody not to test theirs ( personally i only 'is it still there?' on machine boot, but thats just me )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, well yes, but this was more than a reset at any rate so I'd rather re-test anyway

asciilifeform: diana_coman: test anyffing you can think of.

mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849789 something like "sudo tcpdump -vv -x -X -s65535 -i eth0 'port 443' > hurr.txt" followed perhaps by a tail -f hurr.txt will prove enlightening enough.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 00:15 mircea_popescu: it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.

mircea_popescu: among all the 104.16.78.166 (cloudflare), *.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com, *compute-1.amazonaws.com, *bc.googleusercontent.com etc etc, it should be quite evident why usg's been pushing "https everywhere".

asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.

mircea_popescu: im for it.

asciilifeform: recently i was going through by hand in list of what's in my rk gentoo, and holyfuq, 'root cert of greek gov' etc. disgraceful.

asciilifeform: a patched curl that satisfies sslistic remote end, by whatever hook and crook, might be useful (for archiving etc) also.

asciilifeform: but let's dispense with the pretense that 'sekoor'

BingoBoingo: I dun see why the republic ought to acknowledge any root certs without registering with deedbot.

asciilifeform: a major function of sslism is to hinder ~user~ from examining ~own~ packets. this must end.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sslism cannot be terraformed and rebuilt for any constructive use, imho. it must die.

asciilifeform: ( the lib itself is a hairball , not unlike winblowz, i pointed this out even before 'heartbleed' etc., in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 )

asciilifeform: it isn't worth salvage.

asciilifeform: i can see an argument for keeping a cut-down version (perhaps trb's) around on ~some~ boxen , simply for curl-for-fetching-heathen-www, but that's about it.

asciilifeform: ideally such a thing would live on a dedicated box on lan, working as proxy (heathen-facing on the fetching end, plain http on the operator's)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793409 << past thread on subj.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 22:40 asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.

mircea_popescu: curl can -k just fine. all my curls -k

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rright but the curl bin oughta statically contain whatever's required. nomoar /etc/..../greekgov.cert plox.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: doesn't it callout to openssl anytway ?

asciilifeform: and i'd prefer that the next heartbleed ends up fetching rubbish from ram of dedicated toilet, rather than errywhere.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does, and current openssl does the /etc/.../systemwideusg.rubbish thing.

asciilifeform: sorta like glibc does with dns.

mircea_popescu: in other fucking lulz : curl -c will TRUNCATE the cookie file ; curl -b will NOT SAVE NEW COOKIES. as a result of this idiocy, if the server doesn't rebroadcast all cookies, you're fucked. what the fuck jesus, who truncates the cookie jar5

asciilifeform never yet had occasion to curl-with-cookies

mircea_popescu: turns out that what it wants you to do is curl -b file.txt -c file.txt (to read and write to it).

mircea_popescu: seems redundant and counter-intuitive, but mayhaps i don't understand the wisdoms.

mircea_popescu: in other news, smoked trout with blue cheese on homemade bread, best sammich ++ will have again.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849949 << what was the story here ? 'ohnoez, nun rape' item ?

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 03:57 mircea_popescu: and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.

asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )

asciilifeform: i am rather curious where precisely the contacts melted, and so cleanly as to render the thing 100% functioning but usb2-only

asciilifeform: note that 4 of the 6 installed drives were found thusly 'castrated'

asciilifeform: for ref >> https://archive.is/alX6k << usb3 connector anatomy

mircea_popescu: nonprotestants are bad mkay.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: erry schism ever worx ~same, neh

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, i'll give you odds the damned things ain't melted.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% possib, could be firmware 'planned obsolescence' booby.

asciilifeform: hence i'd like to take'em to the saw.

mircea_popescu: what sense does that make, not like rk is high traffic. as compared to say a photocam

asciilifeform: that stick gets pretty warm even on 0 load

asciilifeform: or was speaking of fw boobytrap

mircea_popescu: eg, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802801 item : i have it set on multishoot, thing dumps 700mb to its disk every time i take it out. fully cycled that card 50+ times by now

a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 01:58 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.

asciilifeform: i dunno, what sense does the crapple battery thing make. they rope chumpers into buyin' new ones, one way or other

mircea_popescu: did the ssds even get run through 3x or something ?

asciilifeform: i'd bet that not

asciilifeform: i won't know if they actually used up their sparesectors until i zero'em tho

asciilifeform: ( chances are -- not, as the boxen booted and ran without any eggog when they were emplaced on usb2 )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo cleaned a couple and found what looked like dissolved contact grime. which suggested the hypothesis.

mircea_popescu: me too.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where, in the rx100 ?

asciilifeform: ( the grime suggests sad things re the supposed 'gold' plating , incidentally )

asciilifeform: re sd card -- mircea_popescu may find it interesting that asciilifeform's initial (week before flight) rk test bed used a premium 'camera' 128G sd to boot ~and~ run from. but found that it is intolerably slow, the things have pretty sad randomaccess performance

mircea_popescu: ok, but it's basically the same item, just arranged to emulate hdd

asciilifeform: not quite same, some flashes optimized for sequential burst

mircea_popescu: cameras generally write sequentially

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: whereas linux box, not

mircea_popescu: it still seems improbable "fw boobytrap" is set so narrow, you barely get any use of the thing, on the basis of -- consumer market, much more use-y.

asciilifeform: the diff was esp dramatic in classical mech hdd -- where you get 200M/s seq writes but 50-60 random, if yer lucky

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that ssd makers dun particularly want folx using cheap stix in place of golden toilet 'adult' ssd.

asciilifeform: 'market segmentation'

asciilifeform: recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid

BingoBoingo: In other local drama: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la-oposicion-defiende-a-manini-rios-la-sancion-es-un-intento-de-humillacion--2018911125639

asciilifeform: in other idjicies, 'Designed to run on minimal hardware, Elive is very much a passion project of its leader, Samuel F Baggen. Based on Debian, the first version took a bow in 2005. The second stable version made an appearance in 2010 and it has been a long eight years for the third stable version to become available. ... Elive has an impressively low bar to entry, with hardware requirements for the distribution coming in at 256 MB RA

asciilifeform: M and a 500 MHz CPU, meaning that some very elderly silicon is theoretically going to be able to enjoy the highly polished Enlightenment desktop'

BingoBoingo: The ;tldr is the "Poder ejecutivo" decided to throw the "Comandante en Jefe" in jail for 30 days

asciilifeform: who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware' << People who never played with total RAM measured in kiblebytes

asciilifeform: fughet even the '80s, i had freebsd 4.7 quite satisfactorily on 'toshiba libretto' with 64M / 166Mhz.

asciilifeform: ( and when tried to re-create this in '14, found that it is impossible, the packages are nowhere, unsurprisingly )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm entertained by the 'steal the having-been-stolen-from' of current 'minimal linux' frauds

asciilifeform: granted 64M won't get you very far if you're eating up http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849805 . but at the very least how about kernel that doesn't eat half of those 64M just for own ??? 'needs'.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 00:21 mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Such is fraudlyfe

asciilifeform: for instance, i might like to bake a box with ice40 as 'mips cpu' and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702696 for main memory. and then for ~2k usd you can have... 16MB . and what to run on that.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 23:25 asciilifeform: in other non-noose, 10ns ecc sram is ~15 usd / megabit today.

asciilifeform: observe that box with 1990s level of immunity to 'cachebleeds', 'rowhammers', etc. still costs 1990s price...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702698 << lol divide this figure by 8

a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 23:27 asciilifeform: grr megabyte

asciilifeform: but still pretty penny.

asciilifeform: 250bux / 16MB.

asciilifeform was scratching head, 'this figure aint right, it was about 1/10th when i paid...'

asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702815 << old thread re subj )

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:41 asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. )

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/imf-bullying-marshall-islands-over-exploration-options-for-independence-from-usd/ << Qntra - IMF Bullying Marshall Islands Over Exploration Options For Independence From USD

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ unsurprising. per tradition, whoever begins to show symptoms of 'cured of usd' , 'suddenly' ( a la libya etc ) is 'found to have terrorists' and gets 'democratized'

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, I'm lolling a lot more at the local Pantsuits digging themselves a hole

BingoBoingo: Imma have to blog it

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo uruguay has AN ARMY !?

mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck for.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850021 << now this i do.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 15:54 asciilifeform: recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nowadays to get those UN Peacekeeping bucks. Before that to fight commie scum.

mircea_popescu: oh i see. then why the fuck are they poor, i don't fucking get it.

BingoBoingo: Well, the commie scum won.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 16:21 asciilifeform: who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'

a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 16:26 asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so a negligible switzerland caught in between brazil and argentina has an army, notwithstanding that in case of war it'd last all of half a week, on the idea that it's an amusement park for the "wanna matter" pantsuitedly retardeed preciouis cuntlets in new york. who, of course, long ago became unsolvent.

mircea_popescu: seems to me the story is all about how http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.156-115.326

mircea_popescu: ie, "new york is bankrupt, find better customers or change the product line"

deedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/09/12/uruguayo-political-snapshot-for-future-reference/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Uruguayo Political Snapshot For Future Reference

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850055 << the orig link derpage mentioned gui, but sadly even without any graphics current-day kernels are sad on small iron.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 19:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?

mircea_popescu: they had no fucking idea about all of that. this niggled made a clock.

mircea_popescu: nigglet*

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didjaknow, they also have a navy. ( consists of, iirc, 3 old tubs )

BingoBoingo: Well, the Navy does Coast Guard work. Boat rescues and such

BingoBoingo: The army's just sort of a vestigal organ

mircea_popescu: now THAT could've been a market, but the argentines have 0 money.

mircea_popescu: otherwise yes, fucktarded monkeys insisting to go at sea, great rescue pickings.

asciilifeform: there was even signs of an 'air force' , but the only plane i saw was a mig8 on blocks

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As mentioned in blog post, Air Force is airport security

asciilifeform: aaah yes, the 'these are in padded crate, they must be expensive and taxable' folx

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, those are just line jockeys

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol vivir en mierde (tm)

BingoBoingo: The line jockey's job half hearedly finding things for the desk jockeys to do.

BingoBoingo: Then there's the police who are a sort of security guard that stand with rifles deterring crime or they attend parades dressed in riot gear.

BingoBoingo: The police are not to be confused with the science police who show up to places the police weren't and make a big show of doing something.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, bash implementation of functions excludes prototypes.

mircea_popescu: "In other programming languages it is common to have arguments passed to the function listed inside the brackets (). In Bash they are there only for decoration and you never put anything inside them."

mircea_popescu: i doubt many people fully understand the comedy goldmine that sits and waits in terminal.

BingoBoingo: In the case of casinos and cambios the science police are usually preceeded by the Special Forces Police who show up in the time between the robbers leaving and the science police standing around

mircea_popescu: oh, and of course $1 $2 AND $? are magic words.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure errybody who ever touched it, knows

asciilifeform: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793267, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843516 , elsewhere.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:11 asciilifeform: imho the long-term answer is '3rd way' , i.e. all the crud i wrote in bash, python, etc over the years really oughta be in the hypothetical little-lisp-in-ada from old thread.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm kinda trying to figure out what exactly i must have / can't stand for the Holy Script of Terminal

asciilifeform: would be great to have a spec

mircea_popescu: seems a ways off yet. but stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848765 is central.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 17:43 mircea_popescu: in today's wonderment, why the FUCK is it i can say sed 's%x%y%g' or sed 's^p^q^g' but can NOT say awk '%a%,%b%' ?!

mircea_popescu: i suspect that the federated calling model of the current bash is actually its strength ; and not necessarily competed by lisp-ada.

mircea_popescu: going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.

mircea_popescu: but i'm not even sure what the difference is, tbh. "say mp... what's | got over Y?" i can\t answer that. and yet perl sucks and bash doesn't, in SPITE of braindamage like above.

mircea_popescu: unrelatedly asciilifeform mod6 : i'm thinking of getting a rockchip to run a coldspare trilema server, ideally some sort of optimistic replication. is this something you'd wanna set up for me ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: definitely, once we have the new disks ( i dun expect you'll want the sad samsung )

mircea_popescu: this isn't a critical application yet. experimenta, meaning -- if you want to use this to test 'em or w/e i don't mind.

asciilifeform: some serious load test would be neat

asciilifeform brb,meat

mircea_popescu: seems like an eminent use for rk plants, make a bunch of blog servlets. considering writes are rare and priviledged, perfect application.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: verily.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850094 << pipe is not going anywhere

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 21:37 mircea_popescu: going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.

mod6: !!withdraw 0.73892662 14GZnTRpRZWZNxJ9vHFJeGMrTGS4uCVN8v

deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RlI9h/?raw=true

mod6: !!v 04DA37A4866F347D1FC74AAF9924420CA9CA55267C7FFC2A3DB3E9C9C3F069AD

deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eQcLy/?raw=true

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849988 << nuke at will, Admiral.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 15:34 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )

mod6: mircea_popescu: Sounds great!

mod6: TMSR~ : Update on the Pizarro report for August. I have completed the Liabilities table after some discussion with ben_vulpes, and it is currently in a final-draft form. Upon approval of this draft, we will post it to the pizarroisp.net site.

mod6: Thank you for your patience.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2016/mr-right/ is pretty transparently the remake of http://trilema.com/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/

mircea_popescu: man has the "viewing public" decayed intellectually in the intervening coupla decades.

mircea_popescu: the us went from being populated by a buncha 19yos to being populated by a buncha 9yos.

mod6: I'm interested to see if his manson family movie is going to be a steaming pile of dung, or not.

mod6: "Once Upon a Time In Hollywood"; I think the smart money is on the latter.

mod6: *ahem*

mod6: former

mod6: we'll see I guess 'eh

mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qSPwN/?raw=true << draft of the manifest.txt for TRB. mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque et. al. plz to review and let me know if any thing needs changing.

mod6: (the first line has a place holder in there for the block height when I get to actually making another excise_hash_truncation vpatch)

ben_vulpes: why that particular block height for all the other entries, mod6 ?