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asciilifeform: !!up xdeller
deedbot: xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: xdeller: hello ?
xdeller: hey
asciilifeform: xdeller: who might you be, and what brings you to #trilema ?
xdeller: err, I think I`ve found trilema link a few months ago as a reference in some interesting blogpost
asciilifeform: xdeller: consider reading the log, . and registering a key,
asciilifeform: !!up diana_away
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_away: hey, thanks asciilifeform ! I was thinking of you the other evening as it was rainy cr all the way, lol; and no, still no ocelot !
diana_away is trying to catch up on the logs
mircea_popescu: in other news, to directly dump a file into pastebin : item=`cat file.txt`; echo $(curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=$item" -w %{url_effective})
mircea_popescu: why ben_vulpes still references the old url scheme is anyone's guess :)
mircea_popescu: << had nicole summarize the 14th for me, mostly for my amusement at her cluelessness.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 14:06 diana_away is trying to catch up on the logs
mircea_popescu: i suspect i might turn it into a permanent service.
diana_away: ahahah mircea_popescu that amusement is eerily similar to ...
mircea_popescu: "Asa ca ei ne-au intins mana stabilind contactul, iar noi le-am mancat degetele stabilind ca-s excelente." lel.
mircea_popescu: !!up diana_away
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: a large part of the amusement is actually made up of the strange reversal, where the subject shies away from the very cure. "humiliation", what's that ? that somebody's learning something, right ? worst thing ever, right ? mmkay.
mircea_popescu has also thrown diana_away 's kid in the pool, something the kid didn't like any.
diana_away is still amused that she knew what MP was going to do though kid had no idea
mircea_popescu: old age & trachery earns one something.
diana_away: I guess so
diana_away: !!key diana_away
mircea_popescu: !!rate diana_away 1 imposter
diana_away: there, this is the lost-in-the-woods-with-a-key-acct
mircea_popescu: diana_away yes but if you rated yourself at home, you could've self voiced.
diana_away: myeah, I gave it a thought but it wasn't the right thought as it turns out
mircea_popescu: now sell me some flotsam!
diana_away: lol! apparently flotsam is for free around here , no?
mircea_popescu: yeah but the digitization plant costs a fortune.
diana_away: eh, ticos surely have an... interesting definition for fortune too
diana_away: at the national museum of costa rica I found out yesterday that they had "mercedes" here too, you know?
mircea_popescu: um ? what, like the girl's name ?
mircea_popescu: or you mean torre mercedes, the tallest building in the country ?
diana_away: nope; it's something like land held in common, kid you not
mircea_popescu: well yes.
diana_away: well, so they had mercedes long before you :D
asciilifeform: kolhoz?!
mircea_popescu: most everyone has!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that. indian notions of landhold.
diana_away: yes; and for bonus points the description of indians also sounds extremely modern, green-something-environmentalist-other
asciilifeform: !!key xdeller
deedbot: Not registered.
asciilifeform: odd, that should've worked
asciilifeform: << i dun see anything wrong with this fella's key
asciilifeform: trinque, any idea what went wrong ?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 01:19 deedbot: 891F03D110B58CD7985D5FBB4CF88D683C827AC8 registered as rain2.
asciilifeform: Mocky: aha, but why.
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't have any nick like that registered
trinque: haven't found it in logs yet
trinque: !!up xdeller
deedbot: xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: give it another try
xdeller: well
xdeller: !!key xdeller
deedbot: Not registered.
deedbot: 2CF30569B6D577BB164E5AE49F5C40CD22F8543B registered as xdeller.
xdeller: yay lol
asciilifeform: !!rate xdeller 1 new blood
trinque: bot was racist against ru!
asciilifeform: !!v B26F4ACABCEC117B0E40652394E349857C813A01E55D77E25A43E304956BB8E5
deedbot: asciilifeform rated xdeller 1 << new blood
asciilifeform: xdeller: you can now voice yourself, give it a try
xdeller: afaics voice/devoice doesn`t work on myself
asciilifeform: xdeller: you must privmsg deedbot to self-voice
trinque: serves up gpggrams as application/octet-stream rather than text/plain, so I'll have to account for that possibility in the importer, as drakma gives you a byte array for those.
trinque: thanks for your valuable testing
trinque tips hat
xdeller: heh, I`ve seen some octet-stream immediately after following log history on link from above
xdeller: thought it was ok
xdeller: e.g. one link which hasn`t dissolved yet had non-text content-type
trinque: xdeller: privmsg !!up to deedbot
xdeller: de-voice could be done w/o \!\!v ..., had to read help to take a voice back
trinque: xdeller: there's a timer when someone voices you, elapses 30min.
deedbot: << Qntra - Austria Raided Rogue Intelligence Agency In February
BingoBoingo: I am all for murdering the shit out of application/octet-stream
mircea_popescu: kek "rogue intelligence agency" amirite ? what, like the cia ?
mircea_popescu: what is the putative non-rogue terrorist org ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what is the putative non-rogue terrorist org ? << Prolly the Moose or Elks lodges
mircea_popescu: trinque i wouldn't fucking bother. people can learn to use proper paste.
mircea_popescu: not like i'm going to make allowances downstream for "" anyway, what use is that deedbot let him register with it ?
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather it simply replied with "use like sane fucking people".
mircea_popescu: and whatever, "xdel" owner figures out which side his asshole is painted on, comes here, registers, fixes his shitsite, then it can be used. not like there's not a process for the world interoping with the republic : it apologizes and fucking changes.
xdeller: tbh standalone armored data more likely to be served with application/pgp or pgp-xxx instead of text/plain, if somebody on other end would care enough to set proper mimetype for .asc
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is, how stroked out and vegatative does an httpd have to be to not serve the plain text asc as plain text?
xdeller: it requires some level close to one of file(1) heuristics and it`s hard to imagine a webserver which does this kind of thing out-of-box
BingoBoingo: Not at all
xdeller: well, you could customize it via simple cgi wrapper :)
BingoBoingo: Or tell the server files that end in .asc are text
xdeller: the later is better, but at least nginx which I`m using omitting it out of box
mod6: xdeller: Hey, checkout if you want/need any hosting; we're also over in #pizarro
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah. I have to say this floopy-typing of functions in lisp isn't something of which I *ever* make constructive use.
mod6: better check these ribs, bbs.
trinque: it's always of the "some autist decided he'd be helpful" variety
BingoBoingo: xdeller: Why are you using a reverse proxy as your httpd?
xdeller: because it`s far more prone to slowloris-style attacks and its memory footprint than ur-generic-httpd I think
xdeller: *less than
BingoBoingo: Well, that all depends on the bulk of what you are serving
xdeller: of course some uses has negligible differences between httpd and nginx, but current level of nginx featureset makes it equal or superior to httpd in all situations I could possibly imagine
mircea_popescu: < no. a) there is no such thing as proper, nor is there such a thing as "mimetype" nor is "pgp" a thing. serve text/plain always and everywhere.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 19:25 xdeller: tbh standalone armored data more likely to be served with application/pgp or pgp-xxx instead of text/plain, if somebody on other end would care enough to set proper mimetype for .asc
mircea_popescu: labe;s "b)" and "c)" packaged separately for your convenience.
mircea_popescu: << ikr. "this is how it is" mixed in there also. where the gall is acquired by the zeks is anyone's guess.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 19:57 trinque: it's always of the "some autist decided he'd be helpful" variety
mircea_popescu: << except the one situation where you actually just ran into.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 20:16 xdeller: of course some uses has negligible differences between httpd and nginx, but current level of nginx featureset makes it equal or superior to httpd in all situations I could possibly imagine
asciilifeform using 'nginx' intensely for decade+, but never yet seen this bugola
asciilifeform: this being said, 'mime types' are ragingly retarded concept, and Must Die, fucking parse the contents already, fughet declared 'types'
mircea_popescu: i think i have some boxes on nginx also, it's not even bad. might be we're using older sets ?
asciilifeform: entirely possib
mircea_popescu: but the process of "1. my broken usgism is superior for all cases i can think of" + "2. would you please change the thing you use so my broken usginsm also works" is fucking annoying on the face. fucking pick one, what's this clintonian dialectic.
asciilifeform: pretty sure he did something peculiar during config
mircea_popescu: and by peculiar you mean "proper" i'm sure ?
mircea_popescu @airport earlier, goes by bus parked reading "usamos shuttle para reducir las emisiones de gases invernaderos".
asciilifeform: prolly left the 'example conf' uncommented, dollars to doughnuts, iirc i ripped the 'mime' thing out of mine
mircea_popescu: knowing that summer is verano, not invierno, can you believe the shit ?
asciilifeform: my parser wedged reading that ..
asciilifeform: 'banana problem'(tm)
mircea_popescu: they're always very "creative", with their nonsense, the monkeys, aren't they. little baskets to comemorate Goddess in basket form can always be found. they can't add, of course, and don't wash between the toes. creative math or creative hygiene, where they self-improve in actual fields where they're marginal, this NEVER happens
mircea_popescu: but an ever sprawling of the idiocy, that's guaranteed.
mircea_popescu: so here i sit discussing "proper" "mimetypes", because these are fucking things to discuss now.
mircea_popescu: the examples can i nfact continue. before i wrote down grep -Po '"nickname":.*?[^\\]",' for i reviewed the expert sex changes. do you know "you should really use xml module to parse xml" is included in ~EVERY~ ~SINGLE~ ~GOD~ ~DAMNED~ ~COMMENT~ ?!?!?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do they manage to omit "you should shoot policemen" or "you should beat your wife", but manage to include "you should use the usg.shitmodules" ?
mircea_popescu: my perl can't even locate xml/ in @inc, how about that.
BingoBoingo: Es una rompecabeza verdadera
mircea_popescu: lol i see your castellan's improving
BingoBoingo: In bits and pieces
Mocky: most upvoted answer: "XML is not a regular language. You cannot parse it using a regular expression."
BingoBoingo: Related, I put on some audio from Spain to help continue training the ears. Before this I am warned the accents in Spain son muy dificiles. And... Fuck the fuckers over there speak clearer than the fuckers here
Mocky: that was my last contribution iirc. flipped the bozo bit
mircea_popescu: xml is not a thing, either. which is the fucking point : a) use these not-things we came up with so that b) you always need us.
mircea_popescu: clinton dialectics.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo principal problem with spanish speakers is that they speak like faggots, or if you prefer normal people with a lisp.
mircea_popescu: new world speakers of spanish much more respectable sounding imo.
BingoBoingo: Lol, biggest fag speakers I have met here are the Brasileros
BingoBoingo: I really don't know how they manage to flirt and reproduce when they lack linguistic sexual dimorphism
mircea_popescu: Mocky << i see stuff from 2009 in there. so ha-HA!
BingoBoingo: The Brasileros manage to have a different accent every kilometer, but can't have sounds that aren't gayboi
Mocky: omg, i "reached" 790k people. so powerful am i !!
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever talked to a brazilian male, thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: (it may be double that, for all I know, during peak hours. It could be 5 times that during peak holiday shopping). << careful, your linear thinkers are showing.
mircea_popescu: if they do k/s on avg they likely do mn/s on peaks.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ~this~ is the "network effect" advantage : that should amazon's cart fail for three minutes, amazon would lose ~0 dollar value -- those schmucks will just come back. this is the niche the empire ever hopes to inhabit, and that it works is directly evident in the decrease of quality of life the zeks permitted over the past century. great-grandfather of ustard, ozlander or argentine lived A LOT better than the grandfath
mircea_popescu: er, or the father, or the current loser. how did this come to be ?
mircea_popescu: it came to be because if the ministry of provisioning takes a vacation, the zeks'll just return tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: The thing about Brasileros is they span all ethnic appearances. I could have swore one Brasilero during the hostel days was just a really faggy German
BingoBoingo: My impression of Brasil is an alt-America where large swaths of the land were written off as malarial death sentences.
BingoBoingo: Which leads to the Paraguay war, In the empire days Brasil NEEDED passage on a foreign river to get to some of their productive agricultural lands
BingoBoingo: But Lopez built a fort and gave brasil the old "pools closed"
mircea_popescu: this is actually a decent summary.
BingoBoingo: It only gets lulzier from there.
BingoBoingo: Lopez pissed off ALL Paraguay's neighbors, leading to the bonding excercise this continent is afraid to repeat
BingoBoingo: Because Lopez actually held out for quite some time
BingoBoingo: Now all of South America's wars are either civil of Faggy Falklands affairs
BingoBoingo: Related: Rio Platense folks get a lot of credit for their beef and cheese, but their pork sausage... Divine
BingoBoingo: I've had steak once in this kitchen and I am getting fat off of chorizo, morcilla, and mortadella (for piglet)
mircea_popescu: lmao poor BingoBoingo ; catching back up.
BingoBoingo: Seriously Imma have to put myself on a diet or get serious about fitness. I can't outwalk all the choripan... which is somehow more fattening when I make it myself
a111: Logged on 2018-08-18 22:49 mircea_popescu: it came to be because if the ministry of provisioning takes a vacation, the zeks'll just return tomorrow.
Mocky: tldr; banned amazon user found it "dizzying and disorienting"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, seriously, eat well but work out. don't turn into one of the local married galz.
mircea_popescu: Mocky ayup.
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of surprised old country failed to invent the salchica and throw the whole thing on one bun
mircea_popescu: what do you think frankfurters were.
BingoBoingo: Short.
BingoBoingo: THey aren't giant spirals of meat
mircea_popescu: hahaha of course they are.
mircea_popescu: just because your intermediate-new country lost most of the traditions of old country in its quest to be acceptable by the god-on-a-hill dun mean they weren't there.
BingoBoingo: What frankfurters were back home are panchos here
mircea_popescu: but yes, zee germanz were a lot cooler before they crossed the pond started calling themselves "americans".
BingoBoingo: I doubt all germans were cool. Maybe just the Prussians?
BingoBoingo: Living in the Middle West I saw many different kinds of German exile community
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the geopolitical lesson of all time : in that they did preserve intellectual and personal freedom, the germans failed to produce a "french crown" so they ended up demographically sucked up and re-packaged by one of the peripheral french crown usurpers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, sausagefest mostly a bayern & neighbours affair. the prussians tended to smoke a lot.
BingoBoingo: My own corner of the reich nuevo was a coarse meat sausage kinda corner
BingoBoingo: Town claimed swiss origins
mircea_popescu: i'd have said "go to munich sometime", but sadly this kinda ended. "go to munich with radetzky", as per the pilsudski story.
mircea_popescu: hm, did i even recount that ? kid goes to moscow to have a good time, like grandfather ?
BingoBoingo: Fuck me, by grandpa's generation my ancestors were already trapped. One did Korea, the other did Burma
BingoBoingo: Discounting USG deployments this Uruguay trip might be the longest out of the wire in two or three generations
mircea_popescu: talk of achievement.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i regard the matter of sausage as solved matter, by the germans, pre fucking the better germans (also known as jewz). say 1880s or so.
BingoBoingo: Sausage is one of those things like painting for art, it's got some room for creativity.
mircea_popescu: aaahahaha 42mn pop.
Mocky: nice, grats
Mocky: c++ is a shitshow, I swear to god:
shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo, did I already show you that blackgirlscode meets shitcoins I found ?
Mocky: compiler knows *exactly* what I want and emits it... except to the error stream instead of the output
Mocky: it's like programming in quirks mode
Mocky: afaik it was in c++ that the angle bracket template syntax was first used. mustta had no choice what with all the other brackets taken, but still way to go interfering with >> operator
Mocky: certainly in no danger of 'sufficiently smart compiler'
mircea_popescu: need more brackets!
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