ben_vulpes: and a partfait view on polyamory
ben_vulpes: i take a profiterole view on identity.
ben_vulpes: !b 3
ben_vulpes: oh god not with the sky fairies again
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> RagnarDanneskjol: Nice site http://thelogdailyreport.com/ << who is this?
ben_vulpes: probably have enough now
ben_vulpes: good god.
ben_vulpes: "at the current time"
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: actually, the "core devs" are trying to push all sorts of dumb shit on people. larger block sizes are on that list.
ben_vulpes: how is that not pushing your opinions on the MO of bitcoin onto gentoo users?
ben_vulpes: now distributed as a default for gentoo.
ben_vulpes: in your opinion.
ben_vulpes: so this is a sensible default.
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: except he doesn't have the courtesy to keep his braindamage on his own machines.
ben_vulpes: no but you see it's just *hiiiis* code, undata.
ben_vulpes: how is it garbage to send small amounts of bitcoin around?
ben_vulpes: please, at least, link to the point in the log where you explained how these small transactions are a ddos.
ben_vulpes: this one i've yet to hear an answer to.
ben_vulpes: again, Luke-Jr - how is this a ddos?
ben_vulpes: blockchain must bloat. fact of nature.
ben_vulpes: how precisely a ddos?
ben_vulpes: how is this an attack?
ben_vulpes: oh do go on.
ben_vulpes: "attacks on Bitcoin" << wat
ben_vulpes: "confronted" lol
ben_vulpes: his victims apparently don't care.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nothing, clearly.
ben_vulpes: but imposed on the rest of the world...
ben_vulpes: his argument for not forwarding is fine, if constrained to his own apparently anemic boxes.
ben_vulpes: especially if you can't figure out how to load it as config.
ben_vulpes: but you should hard code that into your own sourceball instead of cramming into gentoo.
ben_vulpes: no definitely.
ben_vulpes: kinda misses the entire point of the tcp protocol, where one just routes packets.
ben_vulpes: it's *so* expensive to relay those transactions.
ben_vulpes: MPAA doesn't like magic numbers, Luke-Jr doesn't like magic numbers...
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: "bitcoin experts" oh my sides
ben_vulpes: fight drama with drama
ben_vulpes: "learned helplessness"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems. << this "work must be fun" trope again
ben_vulpes: oh is that just the mock?
ben_vulpes: $ git show 148e107d
ben_vulpes: 148e107d src/db.cpp (Luke Dashjr 2012-05-22 19:51:13 +0000 125) dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000);
ben_vulpes: $ git blame db.cpp | grep locks
ben_vulpes: $ cd src
ben_vulpes: $ cd bitcoin
ben_vulpes: this attitude has lead to all sorts of braindamage hard-coded in the source, like your commit introducing lock configuration into the mainline client.
ben_vulpes: no shit, sherlock.
ben_vulpes: "it's easier to hard code configuration into the source than read it as configuration at runtime"
ben_vulpes: "less efficient" << hm?
ben_vulpes: "it's too hard to do things correctly, so i'm just going to ram my idiocy into the codebase"
ben_vulpes: lol
ben_vulpes: instead of the code?
ben_vulpes: why not put that in bitcoin.conf, eh?
ben_vulpes: just doesn't relay the transaction?
ben_vulpes: how exactly do these blacklists work? if a miner processes a transaction with a "banned" address - what then?
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: bitcoin on your phone? that's phenomenally retarded.
ben_vulpes: tit's a myth i tell you!
ben_vulpes: /sarcasm
ben_vulpes: *clearly* superior
ben_vulpes: engineering departments use matlab
ben_vulpes: numpy etc
ben_vulpes: yeah van Rossum was on payroll.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i may have mis-discovered my history but wasn't the steel behind python largely google before they created "Go"?
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: i shudder at the mention, but perhaps i'll end up "Go"ing
ben_vulpes: yeah how do i roll greenarrays into the thing
ben_vulpes: clojure takes 30s to boot and so is utterly unusable for operations stuff. common lisp is...well, unpalatable to client operations staff. bash is not up to the task. python's right out, along with the *js crowd.
ben_vulpes: the last thing i see happening is me getting excited about using a language for infrastructure automation.
ben_vulpes: i've only been doing this for like 3 years now and i've already learned that languages are a red herring.
ben_vulpes: i don't really care about languages
ben_vulpes: decimation: concurrency semantics in py* are finger-crushingly bad.
ben_vulpes: bash is inadequately expressive/debuggable
ben_vulpes: python's basically dead in the water ("which python", to quote alf)
ben_vulpes: you and mod6 with the perl
ben_vulpes: it's *great* at immutable infrastructure. you know - "don't mutate, just stand up a new cluster"
ben_vulpes: but it's pretty lacking in terms of mutating the cluster in place, and not the most pleasant of things to work in being written mostly in bash.
ben_vulpes: i wrote a thing that handles turning standard piles of software into running software on ec2 with docker for environment isolation
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i run (small) clusters for clients.
ben_vulpes: mutation*
ben_vulpes: i'm at a loss where to go with provisioning, deployments and cluster mutatino
ben_vulpes: help
ben_vulpes: praise satoshi's spirit
ben_vulpes: all clients pacified
ben_vulpes: the same
ben_vulpes: self-steering for max efficacy
ben_vulpes: "look ma - no dom!"
ben_vulpes: i always enjoy derpettes humiliating themselves on camera.
ben_vulpes: pahaha
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "changing" << scam! i saw no nudity.
ben_vulpes: some earlyish webby forum thing
ben_vulpes: the well?
ben_vulpes: they have their hole, and it's the best, goddamit
ben_vulpes: may as well invite The Well, PeterL
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, computers were such that children could actually reason about them.
ben_vulpes: lordy
ben_vulpes: ask punkman. nominally some progress was to be made this weekend.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy. << too strong of a noob filter imho. more spport for the casuals!
ben_vulpes: ty fluffypony
ben_vulpes: cause derp, obviously
ben_vulpes: is anyone aware of interesting hiccups around using bitcoin to send rpc commands to a bitcoin daemon running on a different host?
ben_vulpes: more accurately, the roboturrets don't miss.
ben_vulpes: i don't leave survivors.
ben_vulpes: at least in these parts "cross me and get shot".
ben_vulpes: and the message it sends?
ben_vulpes: how does a fence mark the land as belonging to any particular man?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is really such a mystery to you?
ben_vulpes: "a collar by any other name..."
ben_vulpes: a reference to territory marking.
ben_vulpes: different strokes
ben_vulpes: i like to piss on my bushes
ben_vulpes: no on lady v's finger
ben_vulpes: i got away with a "filigree" piece - 90% air anyways
ben_vulpes: first one'd have to pay more than the gold is worth
ben_vulpes: hah well
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> I had a coworker who bought a car, and is still underwater on the loan. It's like "really"? << when are car loans not ever underwater?
ben_vulpes: o wow one can do all that too?
ben_vulpes: handy, this public record.
ben_vulpes: frequently deservedly, but nevertheless.
ben_vulpes: leastaways i've yet to see that work out for anyone. more often than not hiring leadership is a cover for the sharks to move in and kick founding teams out.
ben_vulpes: also, one does not *hire* leadership.
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> instead he says, "You people don't know how this works" in reference to criticism of his poor decision making process. << thestringpuller clearly doesn't understand how the world works
ben_vulpes: :D
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> It would be interesting if a large portion of humanity couldn't make it to the year 300 because even the corn became diabetic. << counting from what now?
ben_vulpes: "get out in front of this" << what, get in front of the train?
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
ben_vulpes: it's nigh impossible to get any seeed on the public w4r3znet these days
ben_vulpes: sure
ben_vulpes: but hey this donovan character's pretty amusing
ben_vulpes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan#Blood-Brotherhood_and_Other_Rites_of_Male_Alliance << i suspect the shartup circus is driven in no small part by young guys seeking blood rites or a war of the small band against the world. a hilarious quest for "honorable" victories.
ben_vulpes: it's in the logs somewhere
ben_vulpes: farming and fighting
ben_vulpes: <mats> a clever manager and the same budget could fund a brigade of farmer warriors indefinitely << you're starting to sound like undata
ben_vulpes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/49th_parallel_north#mediaviewer/File:49_parallel_waterton.jpg << governmental stotting?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> or the hell where you're responsible for (and are the only available set of hands) for a missing magic ingredient in six different angry kitchens << lol asciilifeform is the guy who shows up to work to push the right button
ben_vulpes: (quote from abstract of http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.3140)
ben_vulpes: pretty low dough thing to scam over.
ben_vulpes: "We find that regions exhibiting more diverse mobility fluxes, earlier diurnal rhythms, and more correct grammatical styles display lower unemployment rates."
ben_vulpes: all this durm and strang around confirming the patchset can catch up
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla claims otherwise, i never confirmed his unwedging.
ben_vulpes: ryanxcharles: come on buddhi be a buddhi
ben_vulpes: the ecmaboi's back!
ben_vulpes: first, in choice of career.
ben_vulpes: some say the sapper errs twice
ben_vulpes: ;;rate mats 1 first best grandest sapper of la serenissima
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0e038a622e6f3b912336a9eae37bf66a22cf0397410a29f5a410e5d9
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ah get fucked gribble
ben_vulpes: ;;rate mats 1 first best grandest sapper of la serenissima
ben_vulpes: well you're here now.
ben_vulpes: what enemy lol
ben_vulpes: mike_c: we're masters of the bezzletronic arts of quality app authorship
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods? << perhaps consider my humble app factory
ben_vulpes: he's a sapper though. implicitly - err'd once.
ben_vulpes: hah you don't say
ben_vulpes: this, from the infantryman.
ben_vulpes: king of this continent isn't worth the piss in my urethra much less the fruit of my loins.
ben_vulpes: i'll be satisfied to slave for mars building agile jet-ruiners and ghetto turrets
ben_vulpes: i've given up on rockets.
ben_vulpes: just to loop CATO videos
ben_vulpes fired up the 52" tv on loan from a client today
ben_vulpes: rockets at least - either go into orbit or not.
ben_vulpes: a) their ask is too high and b) they don't sell legitimacy.
ben_vulpes: roundaboutly saying that one can't buy legitimacy from the entrenched idiots.
ben_vulpes: rockets are ~9.
ben_vulpes: <mats> afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits << if not twelve.
ben_vulpes: "coward's trip" when i was a teen.
ben_vulpes: see also: salvia
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> heh, i've robotripped a few times << danielpbarron you are delightfully eccentric
ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> that particular one is a payment processor << what happened to the mining rig rack fab operating out of africa?
ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/542109944901009408 << love how you're leaning into your own profile pic
ben_vulpes: bring in the social justice police, this society is out of hand
ben_vulpes: herr mircea cannot handle
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba
ben_vulpes: write everything in php!
ben_vulpes: an unfeeling, joy-crushing monster.
ben_vulpes: you're supposed to be a moster.
ben_vulpes: my world is shaken
ben_vulpes: he loves!
ben_vulpes: and a poor one at that.
ben_vulpes: i am but a mere engineer.
ben_vulpes: those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.
ben_vulpes: "build me a space elevator from materials available today."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's one hell of an assumption, that the task is doable.
ben_vulpes: and what about that portland lawyer whose fingerprints appeared miraculously at the scene?!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but you do, dammit
ben_vulpes: what is so damn hard to grasp about this
ben_vulpes: at some scales and without some simplifying assumptions you just need a universe to model a universe!
ben_vulpes: what is there to explain about turbulence?!
ben_vulpes: sounds like portland, mircea_popescu. irrelevant on the global scale but 'omg have you tried these donuts my brother makes?!'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << macbook air?
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: you're in with the monetas crowd, right?
ben_vulpes: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy << relevant
ben_vulpes: what i really want is to listen to strong female characters talking about...what to strong female characters talk about?
ben_vulpes: and who said slavery and gladiation was dead!?
ben_vulpes: well hm.
ben_vulpes: decimation: "street urchins" << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzT8EqhuYxA moar tenements, i say!
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03
ben_vulpes: ah i think i recall now.
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot mats
ben_vulpes: ;;ident mats
ben_vulpes: <undata> it's this social progress thing << sounds like it's time to have another dinner party
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ad nauseum << lol!
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> ;;rate jyap 1 https://twitter.com/jyap/status/542409148323741697 << easy come easy go lol
ben_vulpes: okay 700 log lines. go!
ben_vulpes: you guys the social security administration website keeps office hours: https://secure.ssa.gov/ICON/main.jsp
ben_vulpes: noice
ben_vulpes: exercise for etc etc etc
ben_vulpes: indeed
ben_vulpes: bitcoind quest
ben_vulpes: it's a feature!
ben_vulpes: identifies the observant
ben_vulpes: like emacs default keybindings
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nope its a feature not a bug
ben_vulpes: you can say that again
ben_vulpes: and in what sense does redirecting a ddos actually lead to a rotting corpse?
ben_vulpes: what's the market telling you?
ben_vulpes: nothing but time and incentive.
ben_vulpes: re bug parts and rice have y'all heard about the cockroach protein farms in china?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: retweets are qntra's metric of choice today?
ben_vulpes: but again whatever
ben_vulpes: oh and it's not a *hard* limit, just a default.
ben_vulpes: 'tis documented in devicemapper.
ben_vulpes: well /etc/default/docker but look at it through whatever lens you like baws
ben_vulpes: may you not be bitten like i was
ben_vulpes: mats: today i discovered that docker images have a 10GB limit unless you specify otherwise with dm.whatever options on the command line for the docker daemon
ben_vulpes: sports games are stories now?
ben_vulpes: yes but who paid for it?
ben_vulpes: thanks for bringing her back, nanotube
ben_vulpes: watch get gribble get ddossed.
ben_vulpes: http://cube-drone.com/2013_06_05-Cube_Drone_37_The_Often_Inscrutable_Motivation_Of_Programmers.html
ben_vulpes: but what about making money while you sleep, cazalla!?
ben_vulpes: wordpress is best robot
ben_vulpes: automaaaaate
ben_vulpes: exercise for the mike_c :P
ben_vulpes: assbot -> gribble
ben_vulpes: notary -> {assbot,gribble}
ben_vulpes: i like the bot dependency graph
ben_vulpes: permatoast or just down?
ben_vulpes: oh wow
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
ben_vulpes: all to make money while sleeping
ben_vulpes: oh the big towers on the waterfront?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how?