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undata: mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up
thestringpuller: PinkPosixPXE: nice article on qntra :D
BingoBoingo: !up kncminer_is_a_sc
BingoBoingo: Hello kncminer_is_a_sc
kncminer_is_a_sc: KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers!
mircea_popescu: kncminer_is_a_sc no shit lmao
kncminer_is_a_sc: Damn you KNC!!!! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HEELLLLLL!!!!
ben_vulpes: "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?
mircea_popescu: kind of ?
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to think of sensible use cases
ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
assbot: Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: ya there we go
mircea_popescu: yeah nice piece pixie.
mircea_popescu: undata yer welcome.
mircea_popescu: "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?!
mircea_popescu: perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins.
mircea_popescu: just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded.
mircea_popescu: try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107 retard.
assbot: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com
assbot: Manifesto Vows to Give Consumers Control of Digital Identitieshttp://t.co/CRZsd73VUgby /SarahLizChar http://t.co/PDY66TFmzd
ThickAsThieves: nice pic
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: how do consumers not have such control ? or ?
ThickAsThieves: it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62695 @ 0.00074101 = 46.4576 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation"
mircea_popescu: course it isn't.
mircea_popescu: the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation.
mircea_popescu: because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: do we each get to make a rule?
mircea_popescu: sure. and enforce it, too.
mircea_popescu: better scam than sorry.
mircea_popescu: ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho.
decimation: one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves
mircea_popescu: already convicted otherwise. better be useful.
decimation: since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it
mircea_popescu: it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids,
mircea_popescu: its only hope now rests with the felons.
mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim.
decimation: the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy
mircea_popescu: so what's that do for me ?
ThickAsThieves: ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, it and all the 500 other derps.
undata: decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function
mircea_popescu: "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11"
ThickAsThieves: Bonus Undocumented Feature: Print Bitcoins!
decimation: this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem
mircea_popescu: like dildos ?
mircea_popescu: but it props the economy! :D
mircea_popescu: undata is that experience speaking ?
ThickAsThieves: conserve energy!
undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am.
undata: as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday
undata: but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first
asciilifeform: not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines.
asciilifeform: that's sorta how it works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, but i dun believe so.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy.
asciilifeform: 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar.
mircea_popescu: i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ?
asciilifeform: a la taleb
mircea_popescu: we were talkin of different things
asciilifeform sees arbeit macht frei as arbeit macht frei under whatever flag, equally odious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom
asciilifeform: (esp. while young enough to make something constructive of it)
undata: eh, I'll get there
PinkPosixPXE: Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :)
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s
pete_dushenski: ;;rate cazalla 1 news anchor at qntra.net
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pete_dushenski: ;;rate BingoBoingo 2 news anchor, blogger, spinozan.
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pete_dushenski: ;;rate nubbins` 2 canuckistani, printer of fine things.
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othernubs`: d'aww
pete_dushenski: othernubs` twas overdue ;)
pete_dushenski: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec.
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pete_dushenski: i think that's all the catching up for now.
Vexual: you've lied to me
gribble: The operation succeeded.
othernubs`: separared into chapters! oh my.
othernubs`: might be a fun lil project, we'll see
kakobrekla: jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee
bounce: othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters?
assbot: Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much.
mircea_popescu: such strange money.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn.
bounce: spend it on hookers and blow
Adlai: s/spend/invest/
bounce: then it's "no touching the merchandise"
kakobrekla: new css
kakobrekla: shady logo
kakobrekla: and a KYC team
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< i like this shit.
kakobrekla: over wifi.
mircea_popescu: you two are doing it right.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "know your cunt" ?
kakobrekla: know your chump doh
mircea_popescu: oh sorry
mircea_popescu: On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O
mike_c: ;;rate nubbins` trustworthy numismatic and printer
gribble: Error: 'trustworthy' is not a valid integer.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AT9JWJ.txt )
mike_c: ;;rate nubbins` 1 trustworthy numismatic and printer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
pete_dushenski: ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack.
othernubs`: shame deedbot is down
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
pete_dushenski: [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little).
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu granted :)
RagnarDanneskjol: deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit
kakobrekla: wait what?
RagnarDanneskjol: punkman's ver is getting very close too
kakobrekla: punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets
kakobrekla: a you speak of the carcas
RagnarDanneskjol: talkin bout the old one
pete_dushenski: hey logs are back... just missing 5-16h
kakobrekla: what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs
mircea_popescu: unlive, you mean dead ?
kakobrekla: its not dead, just not live
mircea_popescu: dead logs, by jim kakoosh
RagnarDanneskjol: is there a zip/torrent of all logs avail somewhere?
kakobrekla: i can make a zip
RagnarDanneskjol: would be most grateful for it
bounce: ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww.
asciilifeform: ^ last 2000 ln.
mircea_popescu: what, our security lies in obscurity now ?
ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark.
mircea_popescu: i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform saves the day
kakobrekla: literally.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it exists, it's just not been made.
kakobrekla: anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files?
Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation
mircea_popescu: this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ?
Adlai: "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^
mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising.
Adlai: such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts
bounce: with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators.
Adlai: as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it
mats_cd03: the only opinion that matters is that of miners.
mats_cd03: and... they won't let themselves get shit on.
Adlai: miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue.
mats_cd03: uh...
chetty: You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"?
chetty: permalink
chetty: [–]gavinandresen[S] 38 points an hour ago
chetty: We need regulatory clarity, ease of use, and no-single-point-of-failure security.
chetty: I think we're very close on all of those things.
RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it
assbot: gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!
mircea_popescu: Adlai the "most people" argument is pretty much nil.
mircea_popescu: most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.
mircea_popescu: because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously.
Adlai: how closely coupled are "most bitcoin" and "most hashrate"?
mircea_popescu: it hasn't happened yet, in 100 years of computing.
mircea_popescu: most hashrate is a secondary factor here.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision.
diametric: maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability?
mircea_popescu: their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will work no different.
othernubs`: ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing
othernubs`: outdoor irc, here i cum
mircea_popescu: diametric among a bevy of similar nonsense.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive
mircea_popescu: after a fashion.
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts)
Adlai: it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch
mircea_popescu: they'd just be a iota more ridiculously pointless than they are today
mircea_popescu: which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago
mircea_popescu: eating some earthworms or w/e isn't really doing much anymore.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829946.86 in 1463 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.75
xanthyos: apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46921): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes
xanthyos: and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something.
othernubs`: xanthyos, 100% polymer notes for a while now
othernubs`: they're neat, i'll sell ya one
mircea_popescu: dude this "father of invention" flic is the most god awful pandering piece of shit
mircea_popescu: it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight.
mircea_popescu: he should be fucking flogged for this one.
othernubs`: it's rare to see a paper banknote nowadays
othernubs`: xanthyos, postage is about $2 to usa, what denomination you want?
othernubs`: 5/10/20/50/100
xanthyos: the lowest
xanthyos: nevermind i dont' need this
xanthyos: it's silly
xanthyos: but thanks for the offer
othernubs`: pictures sort-of do them justice
othernubs`: altho the clear panel is way cooler in person
mircea_popescu: lol failed impulse buy. oh #b-a whay are you such a mall!
othernubs`: haha inorite
othernubs`: he prolly realized his local bank stocks CAD
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
xanthyos: i'm not a collector
mircea_popescu: no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust
mircea_popescu: !up manamex
othernubs` glances at his coin collection
othernubs`: yeah, prolly ;/
mircea_popescu: !up pakaloloz
pakaloloz: Good Morning.
othernubs`: welcome, even!
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard haven't seen you in awhile
pakaloloz: so BTCJAM aka BTCSCAM announced... "We are happy to announce that we have added bank account & credit card verification!"
pakaloloz: How scary....
Adlai: so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". coincidence? i think not!
pakaloloz: I do think this may be as DPB says "#badforbitcoin"
Adlai hasn't figured out yet whether any of what happens on btcjam is not btcscam
Adlai: although admittedly i've spent a grand total of about fifteen seconds trying
kakobrekla: <Adlai> so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". < you be in wrong channels
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's not that much in a name.
Adlai will ask gavi what he thinks of the hardfork
assbot: We rode a $10,000 hoverboard, and you can too
fluffypony: want.
xanthyos: hoverboards don't work on water. not unless you have power.
asciilifeform: 'theoretically raise a building off of its foundation during an earthquake, essentially rendering the natural disaster's tremors harmless' << newton's laws crying from neglect
asciilifeform: the leper's bell of retarded sc4mz0rz - a flagrant and malignant disregard for elementary physics
xanthyos: but if the ground unit vibrated so too would its magnetic field and thus the building
xanthyos: though it would absorb shock
asciilifeform: why should it absorb shock?
asciilifeform: not that an electromagnetic shock absorber is impossible - it exists, and has for years - but no magic here.
asciilifeform: and magnetically-floated item is not resting on 'nothing at all', yes.
xanthyos: well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake
asciilifeform: i have a very special, very deep loathing for 'kickstart' sc4mz0rs. especially of this particular species.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight
asciilifeform: nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object.
mike_c: on kickstarter those guys are selling a hover board for $450 that.. doesn't hover.
xanthyos: that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets
Apocalyptic: "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ?
asciilifeform: they are selling 'hope, chance,' chope, hange.
xanthyos: unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise
xanthyos: of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against
asciilifeform: say ground moves 20cm down and then 30cm back up, earthquake. or fell into a ditch. cancel that.
pete_dushenski: lol these contravex commenters are getting angrier and angrier: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-3605
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
xanthyos: oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently
xanthyos: project fail.
xanthyos: also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more
mircea_popescu: o look, there's a 20 yo junior rabbi in the house. lmao.
mircea_popescu: bounce it works splendidly too.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ludovico dandolo
gribble: Andrea Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dandolo>; Francesco Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Dandolo>; Giovanni Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Dandolo>
othernubs`: speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it
mircea_popescu: visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium.
mircea_popescu: you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington.
bounce: wouldn't benevolence require some sort of intelligence or something?
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, it is begging the question.
mircea_popescu: obviously nothing in nature can be "benevolent" seeing how human agency is an ulterior layer.
mircea_popescu: it's like asking for an "app aware" tcp/ip implementation.
mircea_popescu: othernubs` i tell you, i love my gold ink cards.
bounce: inasmuch as that humanity is part of nature, though picturing itself above it.
mircea_popescu: bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways
bounce: this doesn't compute. take your hand outta my brains and try again?
othernubs`: mircea_popescu, latest job is biz cards and letterheads w/ gold ink for a boutique hotel
mircea_popescu: bounce i dunno how.
mircea_popescu: let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock.
mircea_popescu: what's the time ?
othernubs`: depends how far away the tower is
mircea_popescu: othernubs` o, you want fist in skull too ?
othernubs`: tell me i'm wrong ;)
othernubs` cackles
mircea_popescu: you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time.
othernubs`: do it, bounce!
bounce: well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation.
mircea_popescu: bounce exactly my point.
mircea_popescu: "benevolence" as an objective quality is a layer violation.
bounce: I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing.
undata: well and even among apps, "benevolence" could be defined differently
mircea_popescu: undata awareness, not benevolence. map correctly!
undata: that's a much harder term to define.
bounce: what is benevolence, really? apparently we can have malicious packets and software, but benevolent ones?
bounce: er, tcp doesn't do crap without ip to transport it. the layers do build on each other
Adlai: malefactors gonna malefact but packets just pack
chetty: isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint?
mircea_popescu: bounce that is just a manner of speaking.
mircea_popescu: they're obviously not malicious in and of themselves.
Adlai: well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something
mircea_popescu: just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section,
bounce: it does include a value judgement. so it'd require a judging facility
mircea_popescu: misuse the words.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ?
mircea_popescu: stop mixing utility into ideality, that's not how thinking works.
bounce: "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing?
mircea_popescu: makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one.
bounce: so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors?
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe.
mircea_popescu: their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving
mircea_popescu: and dreamweaving MUST be constantly maintained.
bounce: warzones typically are unhinging because there's no rhyme or reason to the happenings.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages.
assbot: Inchipuiti-va pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: (thus we conclude that wars are applied social science)
mircea_popescu: not rly.
bounce: Y U NO LIEK my logic?
mircea_popescu: warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death
mircea_popescu: if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away.
mircea_popescu: that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe
mircea_popescu: cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean
bounce: I'd say the predictability is the more valued property there
mircea_popescu: how so ?
bounce: if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life
mircea_popescu: you ever been in a warzone ?
chetty: bounce, ever see 'Logan's Run' ?
bounce: no, and I'd like to keep it that way, TYVM
mircea_popescu: but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac.
bounce: haven't seen it, roughly know the plot. probably should take the time sometime.
chetty: people died at 30 ...
mircea_popescu: to think about "your career" you gotta be so far away from a warzone your head'd be spinning
thestringpuller: ;;google keep their heads spinnin
gribble: Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbnf9qCmhI>; Why Figure Skaters Don't Seem Dizzy After Spinning: <http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/figure-skaters-dont-seem-dizzy-spinning/>; THE READY SET LYRICS - Spinnin' - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/readyset/spinnin.html>
thestringpuller: ah ringin'
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
undata: it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions...
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!
mircea_popescu: one can ask no ethical questions about ontos.
mircea_popescu: you can ask, "is it ethical to kill this man", you can not ask "is it ethical for this man to have been killed." obviously, he's dead, so nevermind.
undata: right, ethics concerns action
mircea_popescu: and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb
undata: I was proceeding from the point about war
mircea_popescu: it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting.
undata: or, the present is all there is
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: depends where you're going with it.
undata: talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize
undata: that's what I was referring to above re: apps
undata: depends on what your goals are, and why, and why, and why
undata: modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day
BingoBoingo: Fuck, is nothing newsworthy ever going to drop today?
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening?
undata: BingoBoingo: need moar ebola to get off or something? ha
bounce: start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself.
assbot: MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News
bounce: got any A series VC?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them.
thestringpuller: thats all i got
Adlai: wonderful headline inflation there
thestringpuller: mit is lame
bounce: what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points?
bounce: ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again.
jurov: mircea_popescu ...runs code for a third party...<< this is same problem as DRM, i.e. you meed to prevent hardware owner to mucking out with third party code
mike_c: BingoBoingo: here's your headline: "Army Research Office funds bitcoin price research"
jurov: and it isn't solved at all for such general purpose case
bounce: it apparently start with openid. huh.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Good one
bounce: s/start/&s/
mike_c: from (retarded) mit paper: "This work was supported in part by NSF grants CMMI=1335155 and CNS-1161964, and by Army Research Office MURI Award W911NF-11-1-0036.
bounce: if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA
BingoBoingo: Interesting
kakobrekla: !up undata
assbot: [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29670 @ 0.00073632 = 21.8466 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: bounce: No, manul post, that way it isn't spamming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00073592 = 25.61 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field
bounce: that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing
Apocalyptic: hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory)
Apocalyptic: well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid
Apocalyptic: its strength is linear in I
Apocalyptic: what is this "whole thing" you consider ?
bounce: sure you can build a magnetic dampener; things with antiphase and enough room to move and things
Apocalyptic: afaik that was the topic yes
bounce: that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point
Apocalyptic: bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed"
bounce: it was pretty much implied
bounce: "here, magnetic field. problem solved." -- nooo, not quite
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour << that depends.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> its strength is linear in I << think about it. your field, want it or not, is a field. A field.
mircea_popescu: the movement of the underlying terrain, like it or not, is not uniform.
mircea_popescu: what are you going to do with one bick cock when confronted with ten thousand tiny microscopic cunts ?
mircea_popescu: it dun go.
mircea_popescu: you're gonna hope it averages out, but in practical reality you will have constructed a magnetic building toppler.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement
mircea_popescu: you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all.
Apocalyptic: cause this all is "in theory"
mircea_popescu: it's mostly a function of its height and perimeter.
mircea_popescu: but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ?
mircea_popescu: cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like.
Apocalyptic: indeed it does
mircea_popescu: which is how good theories are started, of course
mircea_popescu: but not what they actually are.
Apocalyptic: I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess for a spherical vacuum earthquake it may help.
assbot: Political Polarization & Media Habits | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project
mircea_popescu: who puts a dot in the url.
bounce: they're like, the next hot thing
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of new media, fuck up people's grepping ?
BingoBoingo: Awful people
bounce: used to be commas in urls were a thing
mircea_popescu: at least those aren't special chars in regex
thickasthieves: <@assbot> [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-] ------ what's a [U]?
bounce doesn't mention the slashes
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back.
cazalla: morning, no hang over today and sun is shining
kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot
assbot: Bob Marley Sun Is Shining - YouTube
thickasthieves: does U mean something otherwise?
kakobrekla: unknown
bounce: apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed.
mircea_popescu: what is it even supposed to be anyway ?
thickasthieves: an excuse to do nothing but argue about doing nothing
bounce: oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's all the win in social media.
undata: bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything
bounce: railroading, the new driver of discourse
mircea_popescu: bounce you realise what excellent seo this all is.
mircea_popescu: like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?
bounce: with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies.
mircea_popescu: "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"
bounce: I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker
mircea_popescu: tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"
bounce: obxref cowclicker, but webscale.
bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.
mircea_popescu: bounce i just don't run js. does a lot.
bounce: ``The Pew Research Center\u2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!
bounce: must be an american shop. no sense of irony.
mircea_popescu: well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm
mircea_popescu: (ie, the lowest form of wit)
bounce: 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.
thickasthieves: omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one
mircea_popescu: bits and ubits ?
bounce: the kind of irony you get from that song
Apocalyptic: the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw
thickasthieves: like the denomination
thickasthieves: ive seen it
mircea_popescu: it's quite accurate, very scalable, a pleasure.
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ?
thickasthieves: the saddest part of the movie is nothing ever happens
Apocalyptic: it does seem they are trying at least
mircea_popescu: here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves o you saw it ?
assbot: A Clash Of Clans Addiction Nearly Sank The Royals' Season
bounce: n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit
mircea_popescu: it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens.
thickasthieves: yeah, i like the actor, and the premise
thickasthieves: but felt a little wanting at the end
thickasthieves: i guess thats the point
mircea_popescu: i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.
mircea_popescu: like bridget fonda in jackie brown
mircea_popescu: that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.
thickasthieves: lol alrighty then!
thickasthieves: yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown
thickasthieves: but i was a totally different person when i last watched it
mircea_popescu: that bridget fonda bitchlet fucking ruined city hall.
mircea_popescu: i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.
assbot: Tech Tuesday - BitCoin - YouTube
thickasthieves: includes chix saying bitcoin
mircea_popescu: !up Buzhang
Buzhang: hey!
assbot: tecnologia - economia-digitale Corriere della Sera
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00073587 = 7.5795 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.05424999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,397.
thickasthieves: this MIT price prediction paper is such a cocktease
Buzhang: what is bitcoin
thickasthieves: it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful
Azelphur: Buzhang: it's a series of tubes.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at 1.2.3.4.5.6.etc
Buzhang: !s kim kardashian
thickasthieves: !s kardassian
jurov: mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?
Buzhang: !s *
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A
Buzhang: !s a
kakobrekla: !down Buzhang
assbot: I'm Gavin Andresen And Welcome To Jackass | Qntra.net
Apocalyptic: jurov, h
Apocalyptic: *what specs for this price ?
jurov: Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent
mircea_popescu: jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.01 * 24 * 365 / 300
gribble: 0.292
mircea_popescu: seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate.
jurov: you forgot electricity :)
mircea_popescu: well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that
mircea_popescu: if we're making up numbers, why not/.
Apocalyptic: also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i felt generous.
jurov: and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22118 @ 0.00073583 = 16.2751 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say.
jurov: a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy
mircea_popescu: but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively
jurov: where you can control the whole machine
mircea_popescu: jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.
mircea_popescu: this is something amazon can never provide.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
jurov: waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders?
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,351.
cazalla: Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw
jurov: what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs?
jurov: as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?
jurov: or peer-to-peer operated CDN?
jurov: there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.8359 BTC. Current weight: 62,167.
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot
jurov: and brain stays the same?
kakobrekla: now only to cut the head off and we are done
mod6: at least ur defibulator works
kakobrekla: also installed pacemaker
pete_dushenski: "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."
mod6: haha hopefully minus jvm
assbot: Air umbrella by Air umbrella — Kickstarter
jurov: also, hair :/
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92123
kakobrekla added a proxy to site title parser so assbots ip is not sniffable that way anymore
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes 0.5.3!
Apocalyptic: regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ?
ben_vulpes: rips out UPNP support.
jurov: ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: exactly, you want it ?
ben_vulpes: do I?
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.
jurov: disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3
Apocalyptic: well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0',
Apocalyptic: there is not
ben_vulpes: oh oh
Apocalyptic: but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen
jurov: also rpcpassword is required
Apocalyptic: nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )
cazalla: that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed
kakobrekla: !s poker BRO
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
cazalla: !s brocoin
ben_vulpes: i want to compile without it. period. full stop.
cazalla: !s qntra poker
kakobrekla: lol no luck cazalla ?
cazalla: i posted about it :\
jurov: ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too
ben_vulpes: well it builds quite happily.
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char
Apocalyptic: anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it
ben_vulpes: later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
assbot: Breakout Gaming Release BRO Coin Details | Qntra.net
cazalla: they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is
Apocalyptic: so i'm not imagining it at least, heh
Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?
kakobrekla: grep it
ben_vulpes: in the makefile?
kakobrekla: where theres any config?
ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
mike_c: ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers | Qntra.net
TheNewDeal: knc the new bfl?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture
TheNewDeal: or is that just too much of a stretch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-]
assbot: Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard
ben_vulpes: updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92126
assbot: The /yBitcoin fall guide has arrived! /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash http://t.co/3eKlTYIVe1
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm out. cheers!
ben_vulpes: later pete
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ?
ben_vulpes: no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well
ben_vulpes: but baby steps
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable
ben_vulpes: libqrencode-dev purged
ben_vulpes: build passes
ben_vulpes: compiler poops
ben_vulpes: no idea what's in the turd.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Valgrind?
jurov: ben_vulpes: paste it?
ben_vulpes: oh sorry, too much brevity.
ben_vulpes: the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
jurov: lol
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
Apocalyptic: poops a binary onto disk without anything on stdout or stderr ?
Apocalyptic: what compiler is this
ben_vulpes: no, it makes sensible output.
jurov: make can be set up to be silent
ben_vulpes: i can paste for you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0007406 = 18.8112 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other?
Apocalyptic: <jurov> make can be set up to be silent // sure, everthing can be
ben_vulpes: no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine
ben_vulpes: (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
jurov: oh you drama queen
ben_vulpes: jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
ben_vulpes: -f-stack-protector?
jurov: oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten
jurov: *makes gcc to generate code to...
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
ben_vulpes: HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector
ben_vulpes: xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING)
jurov: mkay
jurov: In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported.
jurov: but you should be fine
ben_vulpes: 1 warning, but i think it's fine: https://www.refheap.com/92127
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92127
ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!
jurov: ah, nothig that could not be fixed by rm -rf /
ben_vulpes: rm -rf / solves all problems
ben_vulpes: look ma, problems?
joecool: i like rm -fr /
jurov: "french cleaning"
BingoBoingo: i++ solves problems too...
ben_vulpes: ;;ud french cleaning
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe".
ben_vulpes: pwahahaha
joecool: rip fleanode
ben_vulpes: irc.serenissima.butts when
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074064 = 9.9986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4933 @ 0.00074064 = 3.6536 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
jurov: what is the "first coinbase"?
ben_vulpes: block zero
assbot: Block 0 - Bitcoin Block Explorer
ben_vulpes: jan 3rd, 2009
ben_vulpes: puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
ben_vulpes: !up KayTheFlower
ben_vulpes: say please and thank you
assbot: U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say - The Washington Post
KayTheFlower: ben_vulpes, thank you
jurov: ;;blocks
gribble: 326384
jurov: ;;calc 326384/365/24/6
gribble: 6.2097412481
ben_vulpes: what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?
jurov: sixth year you heretic!
jurov: year has now 52560 blocks
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform how old are ye, if it's ok to ask?
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 2014 - 2009
jurov: ben_vulpes is weak in the faith
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, yeah, but you start at year 1
ben_vulpes: "the first year"
ben_vulpes: year 0
ben_vulpes: i don't think these are exclusive
ben_vulpes: gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ben_vulpes: foomazingh
ben_vulpes: fooamazingh
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ben_vulpes: foo\amazingh
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Apocalyptic: they are not indeed
ben_vulpes: assbot must run on lisp machines
ben_vulpes: unhackable
jurov: 1 is the penultimate number
Apocalyptic: but it flaws your logic as has been demonstrated
ben_vulpes: ah jesus what happened to my maths
jurov: weak fith, as i said
jurov: *faith
jurov: repent!
ben_vulpes: i plead the fith
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assbot: PORTFOLIO.HU | Hungary to impose Internet levy in 2015, tax plans show
jurov: about half euro/GB
jurov: such progressive
kakobrekla: yea, is not so bad here in somalia
jurov: the Internet tax is estimated to generate HUF 20 bn for the budget
jurov: ;;calc 20000000000/150
gribble: 133333333.333
jurov: 133 exabytes?
Apocalyptic: Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc
kakobrekla: log is back up and now works on a 30sec delay
jurov: to prevent naked boob sightings?
kakobrekla: its a different box
kakobrekla: also mirror coming possibly tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
kakobrekla: or day after, ill be sorta away tomorro
ben_vulpes: oop kakobrekla making product mistakes
ben_vulpes: features
ben_vulpes: deadlines
ben_vulpes: commitments
jurov: kako ist the 0th bestest
ben_vulpes: no fith
BingoBoingo: condiments
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00074064 = 5.2585 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up paxtoncamaro91
assbot: Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
decimation: kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog?
kakobrekla: its actually slovenia. i write somalia so mp doesnt get confused.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: ~31
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: why
TheNewDeal: just curious, was reading loper.os from 2009 and I'm trying to get an idea of author age
jurov: did you guess?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: what was your guess?
TheNewDeal: ahhh I hadn't formatted a guess!
TheNewDeal: should have questioned before revealing the answer
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them.
BingoBoingo: My initial guess placed asciilifeform in his later 30's
asciilifeform: i've had folks write in who guess 50s or even more.
BingoBoingo: I saw them in your comments
jurov: over two decades of such bitterness? hard to imagine
decimation: asciilifeform: you were probably born about 30 years late
TheNewDeal: I wouldnt have been suprised if you said 50
RagnarDanneskjol: I'd bet 42-45
ben_vulpes: guessing after the reveal
ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour?
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh I missed it
asciilifeform: i think someone even asked before
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol no refund.
jurov: hi othernubs`
jurov: got my torah suggestion?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want to include qt source code or leave it out?
BingoBoingo: !up reggiesells
othernubs`: jurov, nod
asciilifeform: othernubs`: out
mircea_popescu: kay the flower ?!
asciilifeform: othernubs`: wait 0.6 is qt already
BingoBoingo: Wait, there's two nubs nao?
jurov: so, openssl stays in :DDDD
othernubs`: is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like?
asciilifeform: mebbe we ought to do 0.1 ?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway
asciilifeform: when exactly did the worthwhile patches end...
asciilifeform digs through notes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish
othernubs`: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases
kakobrekla: if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: depends
decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it
asciilifeform: decimation: i think mircea_popescu does?
kakobrekla: decimation 'hardfork' != 'hard print' :)
decimation: does he? is there a repo?
asciilifeform doesn't recall seeing it, possibly he never bothered publishing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
ben_vulpes: decimation: why 0.6?
decimation: ben_vulpes: I donno, I haven't looked into that in detail
decimation: I guess we want a version without idiotic patches
asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes?
ben_vulpes digs through notes as well
decimation: that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011
decimation: it's not in 0.1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series
othernubs`: 0.4.0 does not have qt, 0.5.0 does
BingoBoingo: patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks
othernubs`: it was merged just before 0.4.1
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to share your 0.6 patch set for the paper codex?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes
othernubs`: no, course not
asciilifeform never once in his life used the qt ver
othernubs`: you can build either bitcoin-qt or bitcoind with the same codebase
othernubs`: there's instructions for both
othernubs`: (see bitcoin-0.x.x/INSTALL)
asciilifeform: i'd sorta like all the gui-isms snipped
asciilifeform would do it himself but lazy, hence the impetus for the whole proposal
decimation: I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete'
othernubs`: heh yeah
ben_vulpes: they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise
othernubs`: not deprecated ;p
othernubs`: OBSOLETE
decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated
asciilifeform: 'axe-time, sword-time, coming closer...'
othernubs`: 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer
decimation: right but what percent of miners?
decimation: weighted by hash
decimation: !up paxtoncamaro91
decimation: !up ukyo
decimation: !up username0
assbot: ClubOrlov: How to start a war and lose an empire
othernubs`: decimation, no idea
asciilifeform: '...Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much.'
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together.
othernubs`: you tell me!
TheNewDeal: like the bitfunder ukyo?
ben_vulpes: decimation: how would one ever know?
ben_vulpes: mod6: glad you like it!
mod6: when it's ready are you gonna put it up on github or some place?
decimation: nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess
ben_vulpes: what, is my personal site not adequate?
ben_vulpes: it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims
mod6: it's fine im sure. i'll look for the link. just saw the paste from before.
ben_vulpes: yeah, take a look
ben_vulpes: i'd love your code review as well sir
othernubs`: decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats
mod6: ok np. i'll take a look
ben_vulpes: i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity.
othernubs`: ah, heh.
ben_vulpes: occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge
BingoBoingo: othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts
othernubs`: ben_vulpes, but to what end
ben_vulpes: why so as to not get whacked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074064 = 12.8131 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
asciilifeform: now if only someone of actual consequence were willing to share what he actually uses...
decimation: X-Rob: you are a miner right? what client do you run?
decimation: " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov
decimation: don't tell me orlov is a 'truther'
assbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Norpocalypse
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset
asciilifeform doesn't buy even half of mr. bush & co.'s fairy tale either.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it
asciilifeform: snipsnip.
asciilifeform: make sure result builds.
othernubs`: makefiles?
decimation: lol syntax highlight the m4
asciilifeform: result must not only build but actually function
asciilifeform: (e.g. multi-dest sends)
mircea_popescu: and now to logs.
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22525 @ 0.00073982 = 16.6644 BTC [-]
mod6: any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, i'm a few days away from even attempting to answer that
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Mostly I'm just wondering about the sort of paper you are printing on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00073912 = 10.8281 BTC [-]
assbot: istib/helm-aws GitHub
othernubs`: probably Cougar 65lb white
ben_vulpes: now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you
asciilifeform: ideally this should be precisely the kind of paper found in the 1st edition of kernighan & ritchie's 'c'.
ben_vulpes: configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no
othernubs`: depends on final page count
othernubs`: asciilifeform, /src/test/* ?
asciilifeform: just the pieces necessary for function.
othernubs`: barest bones, IOW
asciilifeform: barest that can walk.
othernubs`: 50MB windows install
asciilifeform: lol, was it really?
othernubs`: lel jk
decimation: 65 pound paper is pretty heavy isn't it?
othernubs`: ah, i can only test osx compile
othernubs`: decimation, it's not bad for large sheets. thinner paper rips
asciilifeform: k&r paper.
decimation: yeah I could see that
asciilifeform: glossy, indestructible.
othernubs`: right now i'm thinking like folio size, that may change
othernubs`: k&r paper, hm
asciilifeform: fixed font only, if that needed saying
othernubs`: natch
mod6: ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
othernubs`: you have a preference for thicker or thinner?
othernubs`: say terminal vs courier new
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release
mod6: ah. ok.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, the library's closed, care to stab a guess at the paper weight in k&r?
mod6: im gonna build up a vm of this and give your script a try: debian-6.0.10-amd64-CD-1.iso
joecool: i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test?
othernubs` shrugs helplessly
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc
ben_vulpes: pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
othernubs`: you have any other paper of known make to compare it to?
assbot: Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it.
TheNewDeal: Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established
mod6: so far, looks ok. im nazi about some spacing, but it looks functional ;)
mod6: let you know more when I know more.
decimation: ben_vulpes: that's a helpful blog (your summary of major changes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00073526 = 14.0802 BTC [-] {2}
othernubs`: Cougar is acid-free archival quality ;)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing.
mircea_popescu: decimation innit.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> glossy, indestructible. << long term problem with glossy paper is it tends to flake.. Not just ink, but white surface...
TheNewDeal: I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up
mircea_popescu: yeah maybe a good idea to use low acid paper
decimation: my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat
mircea_popescu: decimation cotton paper. expensive.
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness
mod6: i can't believe that pinwheel said he was still gonna hard-fork in the AMA (thx for readers digest qntra) even after this: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/ | I suspect that he reads trilema too. lollerskates.
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: yeah it wasn't cheap
othernubs`: decimation, mircea_popescu bibles are like fine cigarette papers, made from rice
mircea_popescu: nah, it's cotton/linen
mircea_popescu: ;;google india paper
gribble: India paper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_paper>; What is India Paper and How is it Used? - Desktop Publishing: <http://desktoppub.about.com/od/glossary/g/India-Paper.htm>; India Paper: <http://www.indiapaper.com/>
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Ah
mircea_popescu: mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: even after that
mircea_popescu: i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle.
mircea_popescu: and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: weird world, the us.
ben_vulpes: mod6: let me know what style inputs you have
mod6: yea! remember that?! he was all "NO ONE SEND ANY COINZ!!!111 ROLL BACK!"
othernubs`: india paper, how bout that!!
TheNewDeal: ping Ukyo
ben_vulpes: mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
othernubs`: anyway, OOTQ for this
mircea_popescu: othernubs` i was also briefly in publishing.
mod6 bangs head
mod6: ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :}
othernubs`: mircea_popescu, so you're spilling your seekrit code fork or what?!
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
othernubs` scrolls up helplessly
othernubs`: check your ;;later tells
decimation: it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather
mircea_popescu: oh. no, i've not published a bitcoin fork.
othernubs`: not yet
BingoBoingo would like to see more books made of Tyvek and similar
mircea_popescu: the future's not ours to tell...
mod6: the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho.
othernubs`: well, if a mysterious manuscript shows up here...
othernubs`: mod6, 0.3.19 is last "satoshi code"
mod6: yeah, that was pre-DBD tho iirc.
mod6: bah *BDB
mircea_popescu: lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ?
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, tyvek is possible with our setup, but golden-toilet-y
mircea_popescu: jesus the things hard drugs do to people.
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though...
othernubs`: pro inks on acid-free paper lasts quite a while too
BingoBoingo: braille punched out of teflon seems super from a machine readable perspective too.
othernubs`: tyvek would be great if you're installing it in an outdoor park
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: let me know what style inputs you have << once tested, will do!
ben_vulpes: functional inputs vastly more important though
mod6: it's trivial. you'll lul
joecool: othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it?
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades
mircea_popescu: omfg hussling the nubbin!
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :)
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy.
mod6: me too
mod6: plzkthx
mod6: can you make one out of stone?
mod6 laughs
mircea_popescu: gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". <<< actually, there's a special cannula procedure for this
assbot: Urban Dictionary: pipe cleaning
ben_vulpes: hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling?
mircea_popescu: ;;google Karman cannula
gribble: Karman cannula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karman_cannula>; Karman's cannula and vacuum aspirator in gynecological practice.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607982/>; Flexible Karman Cannulae - HPSRx: <http://www.hpsrx.com/assets/flexible_karman_cannulae.pdf>
othernubs`: so if we're going with 0.6.0, i'm gonna need to know what's required and what's not for a minimum build
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, it's the hustling of hussies.
othernubs`: if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know
mircea_popescu: othernubs` sure, how's that go ?
ben_vulpes: yeah i'll take free credit for no work
mircea_popescu: I READ THE LOG!!!
othernubs`: no free lunch
mircea_popescu: othernubs` well ?
othernubs`: i want a list of files req'd to build a minimal working install
othernubs`: all the news that's fit to print and none that's not
mircea_popescu: lmao @ hungary
mircea_popescu: everything thinks it's a country now.
asciilifeform: othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf
asciilifeform: othernubs`: can we lift font there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073673 = 18.8603 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour? <<< asciilifeform will keep his bet now.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, yeah, no prob
mircea_popescu: decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it << quite.
mircea_popescu: and actually, i AM looking for binary maintainers for gentoo/debian(ubuntu)/windoze/etc for a bunch of code
mircea_popescu: namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid.
mircea_popescu: so how about someone hit me up on it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pipe << popular in usa in certain circles, in the '70s, i'm told
mircea_popescu: after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: decimation: does he? is there a repo? << there's no repo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice.
mircea_popescu: decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"
decimation: heh yeah that's legit.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face.
decimation: over time the distros will be convinced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00074018 = 18.8746 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: what's next, bitcoin foundation is not a scam parasitizing this space but an actual representative ?
othernubs`: if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3
mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world...
mircea_popescu: and if anyone wants to start a .6 mine, i'll chip in.
mircea_popescu: decimation: rightbut what percent of miners? << better q, what % of coinbase :p
othernubs`: asciilifeform, v6.pdf appears to be using straight-up courier bold for code
mircea_popescu: you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?"
othernubs`: we'll need to put a color name on this
othernubs`: the ____ book
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world... << agreed
asciilifeform: !s triple power over the forces of hell
assbot: 1 results for 'triple power over the forces of hell' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=triple+power+over+the+forces+of+hell
mircea_popescu: The Pink-Violet Book of Bitcoin ?
othernubs`: the blurple book
mircea_popescu: ahahhaha
asciilifeform: vomit book?
othernubs`: compact disc took most of the basic colors
mircea_popescu: The True Book of Bitcoin
Apocalyptic: <othernubs`> if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> compact disc took most of the basic colors << Oreilly and pick an animal
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin's Book of Jesus ?
asciilifeform: koraktor!
othernubs`: Apocalyptic, is that indeed funny?
assbot: Koraktor Wikipedia
decimation: theres the rainbow series from nsa
BingoBoingo: <gribble> #21599 || publio || SELL 1.0 ATC @ 1000 Satoshi || None << Interesting
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011
Apocalyptic: which is nonsense
othernubs`: grey book sounds serious enough and is underutilized
othernubs`: but then the cover has to be grey
Apocalyptic: I guess 0.6.3 should be ok
othernubs`: it seems to be mostly mac bugfixes
othernubs`: okay, informal name and cover art decided
othernubs`: the rest should come together quickly
othernubs`: anyone got that file list yet?
asciilifeform surprised how much interest from folks who aren't him
mircea_popescu: it's 3 in the morning and the log is 500 lines ya buncha chatterboxes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're among friends.
mircea_popescu: also, nubs had decent success with the posters iirc
othernubs`: yep, the forums would eat this book
asciilifeform: who else, i wonder, wishes for one of these
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, The20YearIRCloud any renters yet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's prollly going to sell a hundred, you kidding ?
mircea_popescu: my bet is you'll end up with a free book and beer.
asciilifeform foretastes beer
othernubs`: are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on?
mircea_popescu: save it for the 2nd edition.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident othernubs`
gribble: Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: what happened there again ?
asciilifeform: where'd they put nubbins` ?
othernubs`: can't go copying keys between machines
othernubs`: ;;gettrust nubbins` othernubs`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
TheNewDeal: can you atleast give yourself a goddamn rating?
Apocalyptic: btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning
dtr: hello
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you know i got that from a number of ppl ? incl mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: "gave me goosebumps it's so plainly vivid" she said
Apocalyptic: I saw her comment :)
mircea_popescu: dtr hi. who are you ?
othernubs`: TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D
Apocalyptic: oh that I didn't know
dtr: i'm me, who are you
TheNewDeal: k, now give me one!
mircea_popescu: !down dtr
othernubs`: so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version?
mircea_popescu: kinda what ben_vulpes' been working on neh ?
othernubs`: you'd be sad if you paid 1btc for a book that's got a shitty bug, or that's 1 release behind a major improvement
othernubs`: ben_vulpes, speaketh
mircea_popescu: the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine.
mircea_popescu: and a pencil can fix it.
assbot: Bitcoin Core version history
mircea_popescu: anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ?
asciilifeform: each of us, i suspect, has his own use for book.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo crack heads ?
othernubs`: 0.6.3 seems to be the winner
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't confuse this item with phil z's pgp book
mircea_popescu: ;;google and he smithen them with the holy bible
gribble: Chuck Smith :: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Part ... - Blue Letter Bible: <https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/smith_chuck/HolySpirit/hs_05.cfm>; Prophecies in the Bible about Joseph Smith - Ensign Jan. 1989 ...: <https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/01/prophecies-in-the-bible-about-joseph-smith?lang=eng>; Book of Mormon. A Scripture Testament of Jesus Christ | Mormon.org: (1 more message)
mod6: ben_vulpes's thing is gonna install 0.5.3
mod6: so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something.
mircea_popescu: or that.
TheNewDeal: RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure he was here in the first days.
othernubs`: 0.6.0 initial network synchronization is 5x faster than 0.5.3 ;)
asciilifeform: wasn't irc sync phased out then ?
decimation: "irc peer scanning disabled" in 0.6.0
decimation: according to Mr. Vulpes
othernubs`: and .org
mircea_popescu: it wasn't terribly useful by then.
mircea_popescu: it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa.
othernubs`: brb fresh air
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it proved worthlessly inept, so whatevs.
asciilifeform: unknown!? lolechelon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back in 2010 ? yeah.
mircea_popescu: nobody really knew if they're any good or not.
decimation: sigh bitcoin uses boost
asciilifeform: didn't know this?
mircea_popescu: "At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian indi
mircea_popescu: viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama."
mircea_popescu: this guy is so fucking nuts.
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's what happened there ? o.O
asciilifeform: the public face of what happened
asciilifeform: more or less as described.
mircea_popescu: guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial.
asciilifeform: had problems.
mircea_popescu: reading orlov is like reading j. fest v2.0
asciilifeform: ;;google ideas are soldiers
gribble: Care Packages For Soldiers: A Guide On What To Send: <http://www.thesoldiersfamily.com/>; CARE PACKAGE IDEAS | Gathering 4 Soldiers: <http://gathering4soldiers.wordpress.com/care-package-ideas/>; Carepackages for our Soldier on Pinterest: <http://www.pinterest.com/kmwillson/carepackages-for-our-soldier/>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D
mircea_popescu: that sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers"
mircea_popescu: well... narratives aren't soldiers, narratives are whores. substantially different.
undata: I hear a basket of american-flag cookies cures PTSD.
mircea_popescu: There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions.
asciilifeform: undata: with or without wagner/cyanide ?
mircea_popescu: this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid.
undata: asciilifeform: no no, a kid rock album and beer.
decimation: mircea_popescu: stupid on whose part?
undata: how unamerican
othernubs`: asciilifeform, include INSTALL, README, doc/*, locale/*?
asciilifeform: zapzapzap
mircea_popescu: decimation the us. it literally killed aml bs.
asciilifeform: anyone care to see the turdlets in?
othernubs`: COPYING is required, and i'd suggest including doc/build-*.txt
mircea_popescu: i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even plausible that usg permitted this to avoid hastening axe-time, sword-time, bitcoin-time
othernubs`: actually i may include doc/* as an addendum, it's only a few single pages
asciilifeform: crapolade - in, aye, as appendices
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, anything's plausible, but unforced mistakes are still stupid.
decimation: european banks hate aml because of the shit they have to go through for us clients
mircea_popescu: just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.00073744 = 9.2895 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: organisms with simple nervous systems, they are; while on the correct side of the tinted glass, will continue to think they are 'someone.'
mircea_popescu: there is no correct side of tinted glass.
mircea_popescu: once there's tinted glass, the war was lost.
decimation: somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills
asciilifeform: correct side, conventionally, is the one with the chixxors & coke, rather than fleas and reddit
mircea_popescu: decimation nothing's as readily persuasive as a mistake.
decimation: the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt
decimation: but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world
mircea_popescu: you recall chinese products in 1980 ?
decimation: they were shit, plastic gimmicks
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap.
decimation: now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year
mircea_popescu: you mean 900
mircea_popescu: or was 900 the fiscal deficit
assbot: Foreign trade of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mike_c: BingoBoingo: whoa. that looks disastrous at first
mircea_popescu: yeah, 900bn is the us budget shortfall
decimation: right, and of course these are only 'cashflow' numbers, not debt on the books
undata: 17.8 trillion total debt
decimation: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ depending on how you count there are about $100-$250 trillion in outstanding liabilities
assbot: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
mircea_popescu: "You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco
mircea_popescu: t decide to do?" <<< ahahaah epic.
undata: and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt
mircea_popescu: dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding.
decimation: right, like liberia saving to buy whatsapp
mircea_popescu: this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures.
assbot: You Think The Deficit Is Bad? Federal Unfunded Liabilities Exceed $127 Trillion - Forbes
mircea_popescu: more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone
decimation: all of which are implicitly on usg's books, because too big to fail
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: at certain point, there is a phase change, and the debt is repayable only in: meat.
mircea_popescu: so quantifying it is pointless. it's never getting paid anyway.
mircea_popescu: like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall.
mircea_popescu: well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies...
asciilifeform: this is precisely what i mean when i say that one thing or another costs $maxint
asciilifeform: meaning, rigorously, that for all valid machine ints i, i <= $maxint
asciilifeform: 'Full fathom five thy father lies; of his bones are coral made; those are pearls that were his eyes...'
undata looks at the 11 dollar bill on his desk from the IRS
undata: yeah... that'll help
asciilifeform: donate btc for ze war effort!
mircea_popescu: "For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu
mircea_popescu: t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)."
mircea_popescu: this is total bs lol.
mircea_popescu: patton wanted to keep going. nobody else did.
decimation: so did most of the captured germans
assbot: dpaste: 01J9WVB
undata: mod6: you need more sources in your sources.list
mircea_popescu: the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own.
mod6: perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list
mircea_popescu: it's correct, but too valuable for him. he was given notes.
assbot: Debian Sources List Generator
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no need for muppetry, i get same notes from ru armchair generals
undata: mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...
asciilifeform: gotta speak languages.
asciilifeform: at minumum!
mircea_popescu: even so.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern.
asciilifeform: the folks in his wot - do.
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (10%) on Yes, 17.33 B (90%) on No | closed 3 hours 46 minutes ago
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 3 days 3 hours ago
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, i'm convinced, he's gotta be.
asciilifeform: also if i recall he did a tour of duty in u.s. finance derpatronics industry
asciilifeform: and has contacts there.
mircea_popescu: as plausible as all that may be...
asciilifeform: if mr o is shilling, he's an uncommonly frugal and ascetic shill.
mircea_popescu: w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one.
decimation: well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ?
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: and google space
mircea_popescu: five bux, which is a gross estimate of its actual net worth, won't make a difference.
mircea_popescu: no, the solution is purely monetary.
decimation: to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole
assbot: dpaste: 00YBNXZ
mircea_popescu: Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international
mircea_popescu: trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.
mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse.
mircea_popescu: which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans
mircea_popescu: half a point could be enough.
decimation: yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074064 = 7.5545 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT sad, not anymore.
mircea_popescu: russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005.
decimation: for awhile they were under Portugal
mircea_popescu: see, these things happen but don't last.
mircea_popescu: romania was for a while on par with somalia.
mircea_popescu: but romania is white people, and somalia is black people.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not that somalia, the other somalia.
decimation: lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
assbot: List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day
decimation: russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too
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