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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The sad think is plenty of people fit that mold... for the NES!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is called 'degenerate case'
asciilifeform: see the lisp brick article, etc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. NES is a brick, but people still program for it because it offers the thigns you value.
asciilifeform: anyone ever fit a keyboard to nes/snes ?
cazalla: mouse for mario paint, that count?
decimation: I think the japanese versions of the nes had keyboards if I recall
cazalla: not ps/2 so prob not eh
asciilifeform: of whatever variety.
asciilifeform: and what of persistent storage ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00059364 = 4.9272 BTC [+]
assbot: Family BASIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1uColYH )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah, it fails on those rules. It wins though on being known and documented.
asciilifeform: so does brick.
decimation: it would be mildly amusing to play with the nes BASIC cartridge
asciilifeform: the machine of roughly the same period as nes but with 'adult' i/o was 'commodore 64.'
asciilifeform: i had one.
asciilifeform: came with a book that described approximately everything there was to know about it.
decimation: I missed out on that generation, my first computer was an x86 a few years later
asciilifeform: it was what my family could afford when we came to usa.
decimation: apparently commodore used to make its own chips, in its own fab facility
asciilifeform: heavily used and many years old already when we bought it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the machine of roughly the same period as nes but with 'adult' i/o was 'commodore 64.' << Immature criticism, but not everyone likes semen
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> heavily used and many years old already when we bought it. << Same for me and the wagon full of Macs
BingoBoingo: Commodore was doomed by its name
asciilifeform: iirc tramiel named it after a car that existed in his times
asciilifeform: rather than the nautical title directly
asciilifeform: !s tramiel
assbot: 7 results for 'tramiel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tramiel
BingoBoingo: Sure, but is there a more ill thought out field than car naming is USia?
asciilifeform: ^ colourful character
decimation: yeah tramiel was commodore, when he left the thing tanked. it's a shame, they had a real shot at being an 'alternative' to intel
asciilifeform: intel and microshit together were the inheritors of the ancient evil ibm monopoly.
asciilifeform: i.e. the full force of usg.
decimation: ibm being too stupid to keeps its monopoly
assbot: Uplifted by massive numbers who marched peacefully today in /hashtag/Oakland?src=hash, then disheartened again when it turns to smashy. /hashtag/MessageDiluted?src=hash
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, the entire "we would have fired some guy that doesn't even actually work for us because he wouldn't clog up the pull tree with documentation-gender-improvements" is quite positive proof nobody has any actual work to do.
mircea_popescu: i mean... it's there, plain as day. "we don't do anything useful anyway".
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure
BingoBoingo: It is the epitome of it.
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
BingoBoingo: Engrave this in stone: @oakmarie
BingoBoingo: Follow Follow
BingoBoingo: @BBoingo @cfarivar A cow matters too!
BingoBoingo: A cow matters too...
BingoBoingo: Not that cheese isn't great or that sour milk products don't matter. That a cow matters in a revolution.
Vexual: I've always thought those nintendo famicons were designed to mould future alcoholic salarymen
Vexual: put a keyboard anywhere near the thing you'll need a drink
mircea_popescu: lol srsly all this thrid wave us socialist press attempts to reduce the discussion to their categories.
mircea_popescu: seriously, guardian accused pando of "cyberbullying" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You mean third world.
BingoBoingo: There is no wave.
mircea_popescu: no such thing exists. tor is and was a usg hole long before pando sort-of read it in trilema. etc.
BingoBoingo: !up olo_
BingoBoingo: No wave at all, just ripples.
mircea_popescu: whatever they are.
BingoBoingo: Just noise on the surface of the water. Snowden was a wave.
mircea_popescu: i mean, guardian was lulzy enough with its pretense to relevancy. but pando for crissakes ?
BingoBoingo: He wided some villages, eroded some sand.
mircea_popescu: what's next, someone's tuna can ?
BingoBoingo: Just the continuing shrinking drama, is ripples
BingoBoingo: Not even countable in their insignificance
mircea_popescu: it is very altcoin-scammy in its development i gotta grant you that.
mircea_popescu: from the new york times to the guardian to basically facebook pages.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The pando editor is joining the derps because he author was called out for being right in every way.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: dwolla is a name that seemed to jump the shark for web 2.0 names <<< just about when "cutesy" died.
BingoBoingo: If it isn't altcoin drama I dunno what is.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not even discussing the content, which is banal.
mircea_popescu: im more interested in the form, they're still usign the same hearts-pattern crinkly paper ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was still stuck on the form as well, and yes. It is arts and crafts time
BingoBoingo: Oh, what a time for freenode to netsplit.
Vexual: lol, everyone picked up their clams? the price is up
BingoBoingo: What a fucking time for a netsplit.
mircea_popescu: badon: Inflation has been too low. < o.O
decimation: freenode fails ascii's law #5 for reliability
decimation: cazalla: I just looked outside here, it's a clear sky but I didn't see any meteors yet
cazalla: same here, sunny, hot as fuck
Vexual: lol
Vexual: in the future these will be the juicy tranasction blox
Vexual: none of us will never know what a bloacks worth in bitcoin
Vexual: after subsidies are gone
Vexual: at some stage computers will turn on and off depending on wait time i'd guess
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: !down ascii_in_bed
Vexual: there goes my fantasies
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DRH3NX.txt )
Vexual: asciilifeform: have you looked at genode?
asciilifeform: 'microkernel,' snore
asciilifeform: 1980s academiwank.
Vexual: it's getting kinda worky
asciilifeform: i don't care.
asciilifeform: 'mach' already worked. exactly same idea, just as much of a snore, 20 years ago.
asciilifeform: colour me entirely uninterested in variations on the theme of unix-on-pc.
Vexual: wanna play doom?
Vexual: im joking o fcourse, all my 3d spacial awareness skills are used for wheredidiputmyglass.run
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00059371 = 16.5645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00059358 = 3.4428 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26698 @ 0.00059222 = 15.8111 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00060289 = 40.0922 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3130 @ 0.0012 = 3.756 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00060626 = 1.5763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21165 @ 0.00060674 = 12.8417 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: do you ever sleep BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: SOmetimes? It gets violent
Vexual: so pimp
Vexual: at leat you wake up with replenished cigs and jacks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00060686 = 22.029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19785 @ 0.00060686 = 12.0067 BTC [+]
Vexual: (circa 286)
Vexual: BingoBoingo: you saw a green meteor?
Vexual: how high was it?
Vexual: halfway up the horizon to up?
Vexual: was it rotating?
BingoBoingo: It went south to north.
BingoBoingo: Started from about 85 degrees up bubble
BingoBoingo: And went towards Springfield
Vexual: did it fafe in the sky?
Vexual: *fade
BingoBoingo: It faded over the horizon
Vexual: nice
Vexual: biggun
Vexual: it was probably green coz it was spinning so fast it made mightning
Vexual: *lightening
Vexual: the rock can burn up and they keep spinning and bounce off anything
Vexual: can't make that on earth
BingoBoingo: I'm still not convinced it wasn't the Avians come to depose lizard hitler.
Vexual: its a rock spinning so fast it makes lighting
Vexual: ice wont do it
Vexual: noones decribed the green yet tho
BingoBoingo: I couldn't identify it so I'll have to assume the worst. Hostile space shit.
Vexual: dor all intents and purposes it's plasma
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual Of course the speed is otherworldly
Vexual: million miles an hour x rotational motion = ball lighning
Vexual: why its gree?
Vexual: apparently if the green spin hits the floor it can bounce a mile up
Vexual: they're effectively massless after a fashion
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BingoBoingo: !up huseby
BingoBoingo: Hello huseby
Vexual: ping huseby (whats cooking?0.o
BingoBoingo: !up fluffypony_
Vexual: fluffypony, what cooking?
Vexual: did yuo collect you clams ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00058582 = 11.5407 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
thestringpuller: sinusitis again
Vexual: jump into the ocean friebd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00059458 = 14.0321 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: thestringpuller, i know that feel
Vexual: nevermund the expense; it must be done
Vexual: cazalla can easily hit st kilda, dunk
cazalla: lol wut
cazalla: st kilda beach is utter shit, as are most beaches down here
Vexual: better than a dose of antibiotics
Vexual: unless you have the clap, then you better hope you're somewhere with sensible phamracists
cazalla: i never had sinus issues until i did laps daily at rock pool fwiw
Vexual: doftcock
Vexual: anywaym im gonna go up a hill and look for stars with a bottle of whisky
Vexual: if your sinus plays up, hop into the ocean
cazalla: due 11pm here
Vexual: is it?
cazalla: prob make for a shitty viewing down here though being in the burbs
cazalla: i do have some binos though
cazalla: !up Vexual
cazalla: meh, not auth'd
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00058761 = 2.7618 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00058415 = 9.1127 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334276 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 379 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12340 @ 0.00058415 = 7.2084 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2324 @ 0.00122899 = 2.8562 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1667 @ 0.0012 = 2.0004 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00061574 = 8.4664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10428 @ 0.00061836 = 6.4483 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00062184 = 21.7644 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00062799 = 26.3756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2375 @ 0.0012 = 2.85 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4166 @ 0.0012 = 4.9992 BTC
mircea_popescu: !up snowfall
snowfall: thanks.
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
snowfall: I'm an investor who has been following your blog
snowfall: Decided to come in for a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334290 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 365 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39485520463.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.30463
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00056085 = 5.1598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43219 @ 0.00058067 = 25.096 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2628 @ 0.0012 = 3.1536 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00062906 = 3.8687 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00062045 = 6.2045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24919 @ 0.00060614 = 15.1044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0006145 = 4.7009 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12401162 = 1.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.12401162 = 1.4881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00061943 = 4.7696 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.12401162 = 2.4802 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.12500001 = 3.75 BTC [+]
mats: hmm, i just noticed i have a what.cd invite
mats: anyone want it?
ben_vulpes: it's nigh impossible to get any seeed on the public w4r3znet these days
mats: pm email
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: w4r3z << http://rutracker.org is pretty good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 874 @ 0.0012 = 1.0488 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00062045 = 9.8031 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46213 @ 0.00058081 = 26.841 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00057668 = 6.8625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3966 @ 0.0012 = 4.7592 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1211 @ 0.0012 = 1.4532 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11046 @ 0.00057527 = 6.3544 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 850 @ 0.0012 = 1.02 BTC
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3688 @ 0.00062045 = 2.2882 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13779 @ 0.00063598 = 8.7632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16278 @ 0.00063598 = 10.3525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00063598 = 21.6869 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: what.cd < you dont know what impossible means until you try to seed there
kakobrekla: >This [invite] tree has 1,062 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 7. It has 769 Users (72%), 221 Members (21%), 62 Power Users (6%), 9 Elites (1%) and 1 Elite TM (0%). 595 users are disabled (56%), and 102 users have donated (10%).
kakobrekla: now, rather than inviting, i just dl stuff for others instead.
mircea_popescu: srsly, that bad ?
fluffypony: well that was fun
fluffypony: ~10 hours of DDoS from here
kakobrekla: Seeders: 14,936,238
kakobrekla: Leechers: 193,624
kakobrekla: now compete with gbps seedboxes
mats: tis a special place
mircea_popescu: so basically it is now impossible to use torrents because too many people seed ?
kakobrekla: on some private trackers, prolly what is not the only one, but i dunno for sure.
mircea_popescu: nuts. wd riaa/mpaa, lol.
mats: you're incentivized to find new stuff or seed the newest stuff
mircea_popescu: "incentivized". in point of fact they can dld it off you and seed themselves.
mats: i ran a script to grab 0sec releases to keep my ratio up
mircea_popescu: you're incentivized to have fast fat pipe is all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1666 @ 0.0012 = 1.9992 BTC
kakobrekla: for example, at one time i had over 1k torrents seeding on a 5mbit upload line, unused.
kakobrekla: the. line. was. idling.
kakobrekla: upon reading pms on the tracker, seems someone filled a request for me a month ago.
kakobrekla: one i made 6 years ago and put 1gig of bounty on it.
kakobrekla: nfi what it is, must be good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.13899999 = 1.39 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: normally when you place a gig or so, people will go to store, buy the cd, rip it to your specification, fill the request and get the bounty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00063598 = 20.7647 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up huseby
kakobrekla: !up huseby
mircea_popescu: !up kakobrekla
kakobrekla: seems linuxporgrammer got ddosed
mircea_popescu: b-a, not a channel to be treated lightly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1324 @ 0.0012 = 1.5888 BTC {2}
cazalla: thestringpuller, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00062577 = 18.0222 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so if it's wish season : i would like a giant man-eating dragonfly to ride on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00062727 = 8.0604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00062727 = 4.7045 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah, minus the part where "the collective" is made out of stupid lazy people.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 999 @ 0.0012 = 1.1988 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39549 @ 0.00060924 = 24.0948 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: some aussie guy goes around doing citizens arrest on uber drivers
assbot: Vigilante citizen arrests Uber driver 03:35 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmcKlJ )
mircea_popescu: is it illegal ?
thestringpuller: Uber is technically illegal in the US, but that isn't stopping them for some reason.
cazalla: i'm not sure, but even if it is illegal, why waste your time chasing uber drivers and arresting them
mircea_popescu: really short cock ?
thestringpuller: Same thing happened to Square in Virginia with the whole Money Transmitter License.
thestringpuller: is this why governments sue successful companies to get their cut?
cazalla: ISIS hostage situation in Sydney today lol
assbot: Police clear Martin Place after gunman holds hostages at Lindt Chocolat Cafe ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmdZRT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00055902 = 5.8138 BTC [-] {4}
undata: cazalla: is that an instagram filter on one of the pictures?
cazalla: well, assuming it's the isis flag, sorta similar https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B42kjXgCIAA6sUS.png:large
thestringpuller: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/t-coin/ << these articles are getting old
cazalla: undata, prob, it's popular here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34370 @ 0.00056739 = 19.5012 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "get out in front of this" << what, get in front of the train?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23434 @ 0.00056739 = 13.2962 BTC [+]
cazalla: lol they've closed the airspace over Sydney over a couple dudes in a cafe
undata: cazalla: that's how you can tell they're tough on terrorism
undata: that PM you guys have seems like the Bush from Down Under
cazalla: new PM same as old PM, all useless and illegitimate
cazalla: speaking of our PM, whoever is in the chocolate shop says they have devices planted around the city, demanding to speak to PM on live radio ha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00057526 = 11.5627 BTC [+]
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BingoBoingo: !up blue
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: seasons greetings freinds
BlueMeanie4: whats the word?
BingoBoingo: I imagine there are a lot of words
BlueMeanie4: what are the good ones
BingoBoingo: Puppies?
BlueMeanie4: im hoping this isnt the chitlins pic
BlueMeanie4: anyway, huge frauds afoot
BlueMeanie4: anyone in Germany?
BingoBoingo: We have enough frational germans here to assemble a whole german
BlueMeanie4: lots of really interesting info coming out re. Tor
BlueMeanie4: and all the agencies surrounding this project
BlueMeanie4: most of them are in Berlin
BingoBoingo: Well, the city has a history of that.
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[]bot: Bet placed: 200.00017 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4039.30800444 BTC. Current weight: 18,465.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> speaking of our PM, whoever is in the chocolate shop says they have devices planted around the city, demanding to speak to PM on live radio ha << pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: nothing quite like a humiliated pm live by someone holding a gun.
mircea_popescu: !up hktud0
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he won't do it, they don't negotiate with terrorists or smething
mircea_popescu: then they covertly pay whenever got by the balls.
cazalla: hopefully shit at the chocolate shop escalates, it's disappointing so far
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mircea_popescu: one day landwhale was off buying chocolate tubs,
mircea_popescu: then allovasudden she's held at gunpoint!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16841 @ 0.0006135 = 10.332 BTC [+]
assbot: christine's brain • 8 Tricks to Appear Like An Important VC ... ( http://bit.ly/1BFFB4Y )
mircea_popescu: except christine tsai is not an important vc.
mircea_popescu: she was if i recall some gofer/"product manager" for google is all.
BingoBoingo: Of course, but... When random derps on the tumblrs can spot this sort of shit.
cazalla: 7. Hold meetings at a non-mainstream coffee shop. <<< good advice
BingoBoingo: Derp X, Here's how to pretend to be the Y set of Derps.
thestringpuller: read #1 and already feel like this is 8 things to not do
thestringpuller: "A surefire way to look well-connected and important is to reference reputable investors or founders by first name." that seems slightly disrespectful
mircea_popescu: someone does that about say me, everyone instantly knows he never had the good luck to be in the same room with me.
thestringpuller: Be late to meetings?!?!?!?!?
mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm not alone. but no, to the parallel universe puppies everyone's like... you know, them.
BingoBoingo: Well, parallel universe
thestringpuller: so apparently she manages this: http://500.co/
thestringpuller: "Meet our badass, global family of startup founders, mentors, and investors"
thestringpuller: So YCombinator clone?
mircea_popescu: not even. it's basically a derpy website
mircea_popescu: 500pixels clone
mircea_popescu: which in turn is a deviantart clone, 10 years late.
thestringpuller: I'm looking at their alumni...and it's like...
thestringpuller: http://famebit.com/ << marketing for derps
mircea_popescu: "meet a collection of idiots from the intrernet who will think they're on a first name basis with you in spite of not actually having a bank account, and will be late to meetings at places where they can't afford to eat".
mircea_popescu: sounds like a killer value prop.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Something has to be important or a school to have Alumni. 1950's Nasa has Alumni, random college has alumni, random wankfest does not.
cazalla: http://www.2gb.com/listen-live if ya wanna listen to drama in .au go down, apparently this radio dude has spoken to hostage holders but won't put em on the air yet
thestringpuller: Featured Wannabe Startups that were gestated in 500's accelarator is just a bit too long
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo words exist for inept marketeers to try and sell them right ?
thestringpuller: shippo has an okay value proposition but not really useful in its current incarnation
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course and once things that the words apply to lose any scarcity who cares about that word, next!
BingoBoingo remembers finding out that the Alumni association considered anyone who attended for four semesters and Alumni without any regard as to... graduation
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that reminds me of huxely. Take all meaning out of a word as described in his book _Words and Their Meanings_
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, the fucking french with Derrida encouraged it in the name of socialism and now social media marketers do it pretending to do capitalism.
thestringpuller: "A great deal of attention has been paid . . . to the technical languages in which men of science do their specialized thinking . But the colloquial usages of everyday speech, the literary and philosophical dialects in which men do their thinking about the problems of morals, politics, religion and psychology . these have been strangely neglected. We talk about "mere matters of words" in a tone which implies that we regard word
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: social media marketing has pretty much killed any respect one would get as a copywriter
thestringpuller: it's perverted the profession as a whole.
mircea_popescu: before that, amateur/gonzo porn killed any respectone would have gotten as a porn star.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: have you seen Boogie Nights?
mircea_popescu: and even before that, "elected" derps killed any respect one could have had for leadership
mircea_popescu: i did but i didn't care so much for it. kinda plastic-y imo.
thestringpuller: Ah. I thought it was interesting they pointed out how amateur porn destroyed the artistic nature of "old school" porn.
mircea_popescu: except their crew and screenwriters suck so bad, the old school as depicted by them is a scary abomination
thestringpuller: You can romantacize anything.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the old school from deepthroat to brazzers is this kinda fun thing.
BingoBoingo: The Brazzers people have integrity to the craft.
mircea_popescu: yes, but also don't have the sort of power that had traci lords fuck dogs.
BingoBoingo: No they don't
mircea_popescu: pornography without political clout is like power tools without electricity.
thestringpuller: As mircea_popescu points out in his article on YCombinator (Facebook lining up a billion idiots of investors), I wonder if the the world Mike Judge envisioned in Idiocracy is possible.
mircea_popescu: i certainly met plnety of buttheads...
thestringpuller: Where people begin to belive the derps are professionals because no one knows any better.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's largely here for a good portion of the population. The people who won't water the flowers or the garden without "Miracle Grow" and such.
BingoBoingo: Sure, fertilizer has nutrients that help plants grow, but so do last year's dead plants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00059966 = 5.367 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: So eventually plants start dying because we water them with gatorade because "they have electrolytes".
BingoBoingo: It would be interesting if a large portion of humanity couldn't make it to the year 300 because even the corn became diabetic.
BingoBoingo: !up huseby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40293 @ 0.00059536 = 23.9888 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up bgupta
BingoBoingo: !up starsoccer
BingoBoingo: Hello starsoccer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00058382 = 7.5897 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
BingoBoingo: scoopbot: Good boy!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00059966 = 10.8239 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up zebedee
decimation: it'll be interesting to see if the us stock market blows its top this week
decimation: should be bullish for bitcoin in fiat
decimation: re: "there's no inflation" << if you look at assets that are close to the bezzle this is obviously false http://cdn2.blog-media.zillowstatic.com/1/SECMI-Infographic-01-9e5cc6.png << manhattan real estate for instance
assbot: East Hampton Home Prices and Home Values - Zillow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRrYEE )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1169 @ 0.0012 = 1.4028 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.0006051 = 5.6879 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: decimation course.
mircea_popescu: the inflation is immense. back in the 80s, a 2k monthy salary made one comfortable
mircea_popescu: today it's what, 10k.
decimation: heh it depends where one is living, but yeah
mircea_popescu: not really that much.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's 8.5% a year for two decades
decimation: I think part of that is explained by the fact that most us couples now both work
mircea_popescu: two decades during which NOTHING paid anywhere remotely like 8%. not bonds, not stocks.
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why everyone, from china to russia, thumbs their noses at the us poverty.
decimation: it is interesting how quickly "women should be able to do anything men can do!!" fliipped into "women must work so that they can afford good schools, low crime neighborhoods, etc"
decimation: the other thing that I found amusing is the completely simultaneous moves in the stock market over the past few years
decimation: what does it mean when the price of every asset in a marketplace changes simultaneously in the same direction? http://finviz.com/map.ashx
assbot: S&P 500 Map Heatmap ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmM7gj )
decimation: currency manipulation pops to mind...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00060651 = 15.0718 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it strictly means price fixing / fraud
BingoBoingo: I dunno, here house prices roughly halved
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 352.51, Best ask: 353.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 353.17, 24 hour volume: 6030.40300770, 24 hour low: 348.22, 24 hour high: 359.3, 24 hour vwap: 354.691207048
BingoBoingo: Here the trend seems to have been if the wife is working each can be paid half
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, prices of assets that are outside the bezzle orbit have generally held steady
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, the 'de-professionalizing' of the us 'middle class' is a long-run trend
decimation: they used to pay derps to sit in an office and move memos from the in-queue to the out-queue
decimation: they have all been 'laid off' and are now working as shift managers at starbucks or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2136 @ 0.00060651 = 1.2955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3637 @ 0.0006051 = 2.2007 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: decimation: good shift managers are hard to come by.
decimation: thestringpuller: yeah I might be exaggerating, they might be just plain barristas, or just sitting at home and receiving gov't checks
mircea_popescu: decimation seems more likely they're on reddit.
mircea_popescu: cheaper.
thestringpuller: well, along the lines of "derps managing", usually this results in the franchise being run into the ground
thestringpuller: even if the franchise is in theory a "gold mine"
mircea_popescu: no because they're just as good as anyone else!
thestringpuller: I have a friend who is trying to open a skateboard shop literally 500 feet from the biggest skatepark in the state
thestringpuller: what does he do? He sells drugs in the woods behind it because he isn't competent enough to hire leadership to get the shop open.
decimation: I wonder how many 'franchises' actually make money for anyone other than the 'headquarters'
thestringpuller: instead he says, "You people don't know how this works" in reference to criticism of his poor decision making process.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the thing with what people "Want to" do is that it's generally just a credible excuse
mircea_popescu: like a linked-in profile.
decimation: thestringpuller: can't he find someone with some credit to get a bezzle loan?
mircea_popescu: they don't by and large even remotely consider doing it. but it sounds cool
thestringpuller: decimation: as mircea_popescu once stated on trilema money is the least of his problems (in fact he is already "bankrolled" from drug dealing). his problem is finding competent people.
mircea_popescu: decimation re making money, there was this lulzy failure of one of romania's cardboard tycoons. he tried to open a franchised 7/11 thing.
thestringpuller: This is similar, imo, to the way ASICMINER has been run into the ground.
mircea_popescu: it crashed and burned so badly o my god.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller quite, yes.
mircea_popescu: irl idiots get forced out of ownership once their company reaches success. in bitcoin, they have to relinquish willingly.
mircea_popescu: generally, they're too stupid to even realise this is an option
BingoBoingo: There's good franchises out there, but the secret is the management/owners have to be managed like the customers
mircea_popescu: let alone that it is their ONLY option.
mircea_popescu: look at dooglus's mishandling of justdice, no need to go further.
BingoBoingo: On the otherhand Subway does great business recruiting Doctors who want a tax writeoff to finance their new locations
mircea_popescu: o that's still going ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought for sure musta been plugged bynow
decimation: BingoBoingo: is that how that works? I wondered why there were subways every 10 feet in the us
BingoBoingo: Yeah, and like every other franchise like that profitable locations are retained as "corporate stores"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42550 @ 0.00058141 = 24.739 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: irl idiots get forced out of ownership once their company reaches success << this is usually the case, but sometimes idiots can be too dumb to realize they need to step aside in meatspace too.
BingoBoingo: Subway found a demo with money, and... they got shit done. They just had to manage their partners the same way they manage the cattle coming in for the product.
thestringpuller: I suppose in meatspace VC's can forcefully remove the leadership of a company in exchange for more money.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Not VC's, C's
thestringpuller: Like Yishan Wong's "resignation".
decimation: yeah actually the vc/founder relationship is probably alot like subway/franchise 'owner'
decimation: except no one eats
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not at all. look at greenspun'ssad story with arsdigita
mircea_popescu: they just kick the founder out, generally.
BingoBoingo: I thought google had a cafeteria
mircea_popescu: for that matter, look at jobs' midlife crisis.
decimation: I've heard the google benefits are going downhill
mircea_popescu: decimation once i saw those "prosecutions" re wage fixing
mircea_popescu: i figured, "hey, whoever was competing in that market won meanwhile ; doing away with the entire thing"
decimation: yeah that's been quiet for awhile, I think they were going to 'settle' for $2k per person
mircea_popescu: basically, california is dead for tech wage earners coming decade.
mircea_popescu: dumbestthing a kid with college debt could possibly do today is put a downpayment on anything based on his salary / some loan.
thestringpuller: hah, yet kids are closing on houses.
thestringpuller: Right out of college.
BingoBoingo: The "tech set" needs to rent, cut expenses, and get ready to go to cheaper country
thestringpuller: I had a coworker who bought a car, and is still underwater on the loan. It's like "really"?
mircea_popescu: exactly the things they ridiculously do not wish to do.
decimation: I wonder how many under-35s in the us actually have a positive net worth?
thestringpuller: !up badon
mircea_popescu: decimation market value ? or "pretend value" ?
BingoBoingo: It's like how kakobrekla responsibly got a car while goat got an infinite money sink
decimation: heh well I guess market value
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone whosoever has positive net worth in the us if the stock market goes to its natural level and the bonds turn to the dust they are.
mircea_popescu: maybe some rural guys in west texas etc.
thestringpuller: that is if your wealth is "invested" in the stockmarket
decimation: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/04/it-only-takes-10400-to-be-richer-than-most-millennials/ << "It only takes $10,400 to be wealthier than half of millennials (the median) but it takes $75,500 to be richer than millennials on average." lol
assbot: It Only Takes $10,400 to be Richer Than Most Millennials - Real Time Economics - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1qPOfN9 )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it can't really not be.
mircea_popescu: if it's invested in... i dunno, nubile 19 yo slavegirls which you sell for meat
mircea_popescu: the people buying them still are invested in the stock market.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu why not buy land and put it to use?
mircea_popescu: because land use is hard.
mircea_popescu: not to mention patriarchical and chauvinist.
decimation: yeah, try buying some land and using it for something
BingoBoingo: Probably more people working fast food with positive net worths than in Silicon Valley
mircea_popescu: "if you bought this plot of land you didn't buy this plot of land"
mircea_popescu: "it belongs to teh people"
decimation: you will find generally at least 3 layers of usg will tell you what you can do on 'your' land
mircea_popescu: "so why did i pay money then ?!"
mircea_popescu: "because you had it"
mircea_popescu: fatlogic, can't be beat.
BingoBoingo: If only because they can't borrow atm
thestringpuller: As yes, I suppose the USG is pretty much the mafia.
thestringpuller: Paying "protection" money.
thestringpuller: not as organized tho.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: They are the mafia if Fredo was given reigns over the family
mircea_popescu: lol that
decimation: it's pretty common in most lefty urban areas of the us to pay >2% per year in 'property tax'
decimation: at least in london you can 'lease' an estate from the crown for 1000 years, not 50
thestringpuller: lefty urban areas == hipsterland
badon: hi thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: Farmland in the US is less bullshit for owners since they usually lease it.
BingoBoingo: To the people who farm on it.
decimation: BingoBoingo: and of course the farmers are paid by usg to farm or not
BingoBoingo: decimation: Right.
BingoBoingo: It's a tower of rentseeking
badon: "bought the farm" is an idiom for death in the USA.
badon: There is no such thing as private land ownership in jurisdictions that tax ownership of land.
badon: tax = rent
BingoBoingo: I haven't heard it and I'm in the US surrounded by farms
badon: BingoBoingo: Haven't heard of what?
BingoBoingo: "bought the farm" I mean maybe I've heard it, but it isn't too common
decimation: yeah "bought the farm" is generally an aviation expression
assbot: "bought the farm" death - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1qPPYlz )
decimation: my understanding is that the price of agricultural land has been rising due to the influx of wall st. money
badon: "bought the farm" became a euphemism for death after farmland seizures by the government and banks during the USA's Great Depression. The seizures led to food price increases and starvation. When the government tried to undo the damage they caused by reselling the farms, no one wanted to buy them.
badon: So, the government started doing other things to encourage farmers to farm without making them fear losing their livelihood if they have a bad crop or experience a depression.
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