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asciilifeform: can. but try to avoid it.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform is a person for whom programing is incidental to his other goals
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: for now. say US drops off the map.
asciilifeform: if it drops off the map, i vanish into the same sucking black hole as my neighbours.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If USia disappears Israel probably becomes untenable as a state
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: really? because now they can't kill irritating brown people outright?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: or?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Because they can't repel all of their enemies. Israel has had a chronic ally shortage.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: hmmm. I don't know much about the situation there and will refrain from commenting on it.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I mean South Africa and Rhodesia were Israeli allies at one point, but...
PeterL: If US disappears, then many of the other US allies will be having problems, so will be unable to help Isreal
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: PeterL: And then there's the part where many US allies are explicitly not Israel allies
BingoBoingo: Not enemies, but not allies either.
PeterL: What is the current relationship between Russia and Israel?
PeterL: Where's the wot chart for countries?
BingoBoingo: I dunno there real is a serious one. States are sluts. They all flirt with each other until someone gets the clap. Russia though does better business with Israel's neighbors.
PeterL: so sort of a L2 -1?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Sort of a no public rating deal
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled "the promised land" with exit points: Russia, Israel, Argentina & China weighing the relative tradeoffs of each with the angle that the US is going to fail. things I'm interested in knowing about each territory: character of the rule of law, taxes, status of the tech scene, character of the gov., description of major cities, # of nuclear reactors and thei
gabriel_laddel: r locations, military prowess, unemployment rates / economic status, known quantities of natural resources, criminal character, ease of purchasing land, electricity etc. & interesting historical tidbits.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you left out an important bit - how much you (for particular value of 'you') even make sense there as a foreign devil
gabriel_laddel: also, how easy is it to get books from Amazon.
PeterL: and how much are you putting up on S.QNTR shares to pay for this book?
asciilifeform: for instance, afaik, white man anywhere in east asia is either a miserable wretch, a hermit, or largely confined to an enclave of his own kind.
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: its just a request, he has 0 obligation to follow up on it.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Authoritative record of the matter http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=325
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKliIa )
gabriel_laddel: *it's. fml, accidentally hit RET as was fixing
asciilifeform: and why on earth would you care about 'unemployment rate' ?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If you have ideas you can submit a draft, but cazalla lives in a country where you can't get butter spreading devices without showing ID
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: "largely confined to an enclave of his own kind" how horrible....
asciilifeform: as useless a statistic as 'life expectancy'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if want to live among own kind, why leave where you are ?
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: absolutely correct. should be something more along the lines of "unemployment rate for skilled programmers".
asciilifeform: for $whateveryoudo
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not living among my own kind as it stands.
asciilifeform: for instance, the unemployment rate for what i do, everywhere other than where i live, is 100%.
decimation: lol if the US suddenly disappeared Israel would destroy its enemies
kakobrekla: reading code?
kakobrekla: yeah thin market.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: exactly why it should be part of the "promised land" missive.
asciilifeform: working on projects largely conceived of by self, with folks with whom i have a years-long business relation
asciilifeform: with minimal gefingerpokening and dilbertism
gabriel_laddel: decimation: lol if the US suddenly disappeared Israel would destroy its enemies << this is sorta the impression that I currently have.
kakobrekla: ascii so basically you dont want to get your hands dirty.
PeterL: Would that involve Israel expanding geographically?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: dirt is ok. shit - no.
kakobrekla: when shit is decomposed enough its dirt.
gabriel_laddel: wtf is even being discussed.
decimation: PeterL: if the us isn't around, who is going to stop them from expanding?
asciilifeform: remaining empires ?
decimation: possibly
asciilifeform: say, il neighbours become vassals of ru/cn. etc
decimation: certainly not syria, or iraq, or saudi arabia, or jordan, or egypt
gabriel_laddel: 05:18 <kakobrekla> when shit is decomposed enough its dirt. << specifically referring to this.
PeterL: gabriel_laddel: maybe the metaphor has been stretched too far?
kakobrekla: well its how the world works! even shit can hide from entropy.
kakobrekla: cant*
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: missed this line. <kakobrekla> ascii so basically you dont want to get your hands dirty.
asciilifeform: it isn't about 'hands dirty', either
asciilifeform: but more about the fact that once you've lived as a man, do not ever again wish to live as a dog.
kakobrekla: still livin in a doggy house
kakobrekla: as a person.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, yes. I simply do not program anything other than Common Lisp. but because I can do this at $mylocation doesn't mean that there doesn't exist a soul in e.g., Russia who would be willing to pay me to do it.
asciilifeform: except i don't go around asking to be paid to program.
asciilifeform: i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and interesting problems only ever happen in the us of a?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: For him the network to find them does atm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has it.
asciilifeform: i have no desire to be 19 again without any of the upsides.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11BA5TG.txt )
asciilifeform: i watched it happen to both of my parents, when we emigrated
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: so you're of the opinions that a) it isn't worth my time to network with people in other territories and b) usg is going to collapse?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can't possibly say what is - or is not - worth your time.
asciilifeform: was answering question re: self.
asciilifeform: networking with folks in other territories is, i think, a very good use of time.
asciilifeform: what do you imagine i do here in #b-a.
asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally.
asciilifeform: am here purely because enjoyment.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: kk. I had somehow gotten the impression that you were of both opinions a & b, which I find odd.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm of the opinion that i, in particular, will die here in usa (and not of old age, either)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not one of those attempting to get you to emigrate and make the cardano in a jungle or w/e.
asciilifeform: i'm already making it in a jungle. but a jungle with warm bed, good food, reasonable instrumentation, and opportunity for work that doesn't send me in search of a pistol to fellate
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: right, however I seem to recall some #b-a persons attempting to convince you to leave the us for an actual jungle.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: iirc, that was mircea_popescu describing the virtues of working on inventions in a yurt in patagonia. but the thought experiment presumed infinite (or at least, adequate) funding.
BingoBoingo: It's an option that may become feasible, but assuming it exists would be prematurely optimistic.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: here's what i want out of life:
asciilifeform: !s live taleb
assbot: 1 results for 'live taleb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=live+taleb
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 20:25:59; asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yeah, difficult to get ahold of in bezzle land, which increasingly seems to prefer to "select a hero at random" (as per naggum).
asciilifeform: it is never 'at random.'
BingoBoingo: It's funny how even in pop culture Chicago police are acceptably more corrupt than in other jurisdictions. Maybe that impression though is for the other flocks. http://www.hulu.com/watch/703678
assbot: Watch Chicago P.D. Online - An Honest Woman | Hulu ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKsyUq )
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:53:26; asciilifeform: xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin.
kakobrekla rains on parade
kakobrekla: sorry, i go.
decimation: BingoBoingo: what's even funnier is that pop culture is seen as a source of authority :)
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: anyone else sickened by 'sendmail' taking a whole mb of ram ?
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gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: can't find the naggum article I referenced earlier, but anyways yes - the process of choosing a hero in the USSA isn't by any stretch of imagination random.
gabriel_laddel: I stand corrected.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well pop culture is the garden where the regime grows expectations.
BingoBoingo: Doesn't matter if you are in East Korea
gabriel_laddel: "You too may grow up to be Mark Zuckerberg!"
gabriel_laddel: work hard for your wealth and you'll be rewarded with pointless labor and millions of idiots nipping at your heels.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I mean you don't feed cattle fresh salads, you feed them silage from the corn that was too useful for them to eat.
gabriel_laddel: "nipping at your heels" was not the expression I wanted. something closer to "you can speak random alphanumeric strings at people and they'll nod and smile at you. speak in an angry tone and they'll frown and shake their heads, but this and 'liking' things is the extent of their expressive and intellectual capabilities"
Luke-Jr: so I have less than 24 hours to decide whether to purchase an ewe & ram with the ability to avoid a 5 hour drive… any opinions? :p
BingoBoingo: Get them.
BingoBoingo: Sheep are "trailer fragile"
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: eh?
Luke-Jr: the reason I'd avoid a drive is that someone else in my area is picking up theirs
Luke-Jr: so I'd be giving them gas money to take mine with them or something
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well sheep are more accustomed to being compelled between locations than other livestock, but they are still more fragile than the larger animals.
Luke-Jr: point is, they're travelling 2.5 hrs regardless :P
BingoBoingo: Well, make the other poor motherfuckers drive.
PeterL: asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. << what? I thought you were co-founder of S.NSA, you don't own any of it?
BingoBoingo: Do you really want to drive a trailer with an angry ram
asciilifeform: PeterL: i do in theory, but it doesn't work yet
BingoBoingo: "Own" and "own" are different things
asciilifeform: PeterL: and i was here for some time prior to it
asciilifeform: i don't own any serious quantity of any kind of thing one might wake up in the morning and compulsively check the 'worth' of.
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: problem is, I don't have any crops planted for them to eat yet, and the fence isn't really setup ideally yet
BingoBoingo: What kind of Catholic isn't ready to be a Shepherd?
danielpbarron: 11:29 <+decimation> I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too << reminds me of a place nearby that used to have great food until the owner got ousted for tax evasion; under new management the food sucks
gabriel_laddel: ;; gettrust Luke-Jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
danielpbarron: hah i was just thinking of doing that
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: supposedly, I could have someone walk them until we figure out the fencing
Luke-Jr: eg, so they eat grass
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well, what are kids for? Just make sure they have had their anthrax shots.
Luke-Jr: anthrax? wat?
asciilifeform: emacs aficionados! turns out, openbsd has a separate 'emacs21' port, of that version, sans all of the retardation and shitgnomery
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: It's traditionally a woolcutter's disease.
Luke-Jr: hrm, that sounds scary. especially infection via eating the meat
Luke-Jr wonders if it can be tested
PeterL: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: BingoBoingo why thank you, but I have nothing more to say tonight unless something interesting comes up or someone wishes to address me.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: You may not have an interest in farm ailments, but if you farm they will be interested in you.
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 328.8, Best ask: 329.81, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 329.81, 24 hour volume: 17308.89013788, 24 hour low: 325.94, 24 hour high: 344.38, 24 hour vwap: 335.538451229
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1500 @ 0.0012 = 1.8 BTC
davout: BingoBoingo: i think catholicism isn't too far from qualifying as a 'farm ailment'
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cazalla: gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled... <<< good idea, noted.
cazalla: gabriel_laddel: PeterL: its just a request, he has 0 obligation to follow up on it. <<< ya, let the man share his ideas, no harm
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1667 @ 0.0012 = 2.0004 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00059509 = 3.8383 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8820 @ 0.00020899 = 1.8433 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00061793 = 4.0165 BTC [+]
adlai: market wanna test new lows, eh? fuckaduck.
adlai: (not there yet, but looks like it's on its way)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13542 @ 0.0006055 = 8.1997 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BY4hpm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063327 = 6.0794 BTC [+]
assbot: Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM )
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user copumpkin has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1785 @ 0.00059779 = 1.0671 BTC [-]
assbot: School punishes blind child by taking away cane and replacing it with a pool noodle | FOX2now.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zw0XkR )
kakobrekla: !up mius
mike_c: thanks mats. i just threw up.
kakobrekla: i had to google pool noodle first.
mike_c: ah, i meant the bug fights.
mike_c: is that one disgusting too? i'm not looking.
kakobrekla: ah i havent reached that far yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27646 @ 0.00063954 = 17.6807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00063975 = 7.773 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Islamic militants buy plumber's old truck, use it in Syria ... ( http://bit.ly/1AchJqt )
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems. << this "work must be fun" trope again
kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum.
ben_vulpes: "learned helplessness"
jurov: lol the hate
ben_vulpes: fight drama with drama
mats: the bug fights are pretty cool.
mats: there's one where a scorpion lookin thing flips a wasp, pins it, and then kills it by eating his butt
mats: my hero.
kakobrekla: link?
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPBGER.txt )
assbot: Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/13yobMx )
mats: the wasp wins, actually
kakobrekla: aha the wasp danced him do death
kakobrekla: this is a good one, gets it in the fukin eye http://www.japanesebugfights.com/11.htm
assbot: Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/13yrhQt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13882 @ 0.00064387 = 8.9382 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: l0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00063594 = 7.5995 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: https://gnupg.org/ is asking for donations
assbot: The GNU Privacy Guard ... ( http://bit.ly/1sAtW1H )
mats: no buttcoin option
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12363 @ 0.00064143 = 7.93 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 42 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9095 @ 0.00063194 = 5.7475 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334721 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1950 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32880018383.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -16.67015
mike_c: no way. gribble is confused.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00064784 = 10.6894 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: ;;calc (14 * 60) / (334722 - 334656)
gribble: 12.7272727273
mike_c: oh. hm. my apologies gribs.
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 271537218.24
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13059 @ 0.00062252 = 8.1295 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up FBI-Agent
assbot: GnuPG Finanzierung Thema im Bundestag on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZrRCf )
FBI-Agent: oh dang
mats: o hi
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 315.98, Best ask: 316.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 316.0, 24 hour volume: 22383.75456503, 24 hour low: 315.23, 24 hour high: 337.0, 24 hour vwap: 324.937974664
punkman: mats, can donate BTC to gpg via https://www.wauland.de/en/donation.html#61
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 315.98, Best ask: 317.42, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 317.48, 24 hour volume: 22477.11534873, 24 hour low: 315.23, 24 hour high: 337.0, 24 hour vwap: 324.884551847
xanthyos: is that estimated percent change in difficulty in proportion to the price shift?
BingoBoingo: I think whoever suggestd shitty hardware dying is probably on to something
assbot: Eris Industries ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM3J4m )
punkman: "Derived from the Ethereum protocol" because you can derive things from vaporware
assbot: ChangeTip Must Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM4GcT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00064453 = 5.1562 BTC [+]
undata: Luke-Jr: having read the threads on the gentoo bug tracker, you are confirmed as a slimy piece of shit.
assbot: CoolReaper Backdoor Found On CoolPad Android Mobile Devices | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM61QQ )
Luke-Jr: undata: no u
undata: Luke-Jr: are your patches included in mainline bitcoin by default?
undata: if not, explain why you tried to sneak them in by using your position as gentoo maintainer
undata: that's incredibly dishonorable
Luke-Jr: undata: I would reject them myself if anyone ever proposed merging to mainline
undata: then why are you fucking up gentoo for gentoo users like myself?
Luke-Jr: I didn't try to sneak anything in, the plan has been clearly published for months, and ensures nobody ever receives them without being aware
Luke-Jr: and it doesn't screw up anything
undata: ... "the plan has been established" << this is the passive-voice of banal evil
undata: Luke-Jr: you exclude services based on your opinion
Luke-Jr: nope
Luke-Jr: spam != service; fact != opinion
undata: Luke-Jr: what constitutes "spam" is an opinion
undata: you are precisely the kind of dull mind I want nowhere near my money.
Luke-Jr: undata: perhaps, but in this case it is an opinion 100% of Bitcoin experts agree on
asciilifeform: the real fools are the gentoo mainainers, for not chucking this crud out.
Luke-Jr: undata: then disable it
joecool: asciilifeform: he is the gentoo maintainer
undata: other gentoo folks bopped him on the head for trying to slime it in as default enabled
undata: Luke-Jr: which is again, incredibly dishonorable behavior
Luke-Jr: undata: not nearly as many as the Gentoo folks who encouraged it
asciilifeform: joecool: the one remaining gentoo man?
Luke-Jr: undata: no, giving good defaults is not dishonourable.
joecool: asciilifeform: oh not the only one, just the one maintaining these ebuilds
undata: Luke-Jr: satoshi left out a feast; you are a fly crawling on it claiming it as your own.
undata: you clearly see it as "software thing I can hax on for great glory" and nothing more
Luke-Jr: undata: troll
undata: Luke-Jr: coward, who cannot handle being opposed.
Luke-Jr: reasoned opposition is one thing. trolling by making bogus FUD and claims of my intentions is another.
undata: no one gives a shit about your intentions
undata: it's the obvious consequences of your actions that are in question
Luke-Jr: obviously. you'd rather make them up, than give a crap what they really are.
Luke-Jr: there are no negative consequences.
joecool: undata: you just don't get the Tonal System do you
Luke-Jr: joecool: …
kakobrekla: !up keystroke
keystroke: thanks
keystroke: now if only my WoT pgp key was not on another continent...
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust keystroke
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user keystroke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=keystroke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keystroke | Rated since: never
joecool: o seems legit
joecool: ;;gettrust kakobrekla
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
keystroke: i am definitely *not* trusted ;)
kakobrekla: so who are you and what do you do?
keystroke: ah at the moment i am traveling in india
keystroke: mined back in 2009 for a bit and then from 2011 to late 2012
keystroke: i was checking MP's blog and thought i should come here to get into the WoT as i thought i had registered back in the day but never made any transactions
keystroke: just for the general fun of supporting the cryptoanarchist ethos ;)
joecool: ;;gpg info keystroke
gribble: User 'keystroke', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1o1BcShERS9B7nqfc9aGb7C3ns7gcicBn, registered on Sat Oct 6 11:50:59 2012, last authed on Sat Oct 6 08:53:40 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystroke . Currently not authenticated.
keystroke: i suppose i can auth by signing a message with the private key of that bitcoin address?
keystroke RTFMs
joecool: keystroke: yes, you never registered with gpg
joecool: only a btc addr, so provided you still control the private key for that address, you should be able to auth
keystroke: i never delete private keys but that wallet is in cold storage so i will just recreate with a different identity and start anew as the old one never had any reputation anyway :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00064453 = 4.4756 BTC [+]
joecool: as you wish, though you won't be able to corroborate your story of registering and being in the community early on if you do that, if that matters to you at all
keystroke: yea i know that's a shame
keystroke: i can just sign something with addresses from coins mined in 2009 though ;)
keystroke: that should give me enough cred :P
keystroke: i am glad to see a crypto only reputation system here
keystroke: actually being taken seriously that is
kakobrekla: are those coins still sitting on the same address they were mined on?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16456 @ 0.00060286 = 9.9207 BTC [-]
keystroke: but i control all of the keys
kakobrekla: then you cant really prove anything about those coins.
keystroke: well by signing with both keys you can prove you held the keys when they were generated and currently control them
keystroke: but i think the main idea is to prove generation keys anyway as the idea is to establish an early position rather than a certain size of bitcoin holdings which is ideally kept mostly private
keystroke: right?
BingoBoingo: I can kind of see that
kakobrekla: sure, that proves certain things.
keystroke: ;;gpg info keystrike
gribble: User 'keystrike', with keyid CCCD74D054734EC6, fingerprint 282E81F4CB3F454E8C40F95ECCCD74D054734EC6, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014, last authed on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystrike . Currently authenticated from hostmask keystroke!~keystroke@unaffiliated/keystroke . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
keystroke: yea the idea is to establish trust by trading anyway
joecool: that is more ideal
joecool: i wonder if we'll ever see a market of people acquiring old keys....
keystroke: nothing can substitute for that
keystroke: haha would be cool
keystroke: numismatic value to the coin
mike_c: you keystrike or keystroke?
kakobrekla: he just made new ident
keystroke: i reregged as keystrike as i figure the keystroke identity can't be proven anymore as i never registered with pgp and that address is not accessible at this location
mike_c: got it.
kakobrekla: ;;rate keystrike 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user keystrike has been recorded.
keystroke: thx :)
kakobrekla: easy come easy go
assbot: oss-sec: Linux kernel: multiple x86_64 vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZ0JzL )
keystroke: design flaw in interrupt return... nice
keystroke: nothing like the old f00f c7c8 intel bug
keystroke: compare and exchange 8 bytes and die
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00063331 = 2.3749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13913 @ 0.00063331 = 8.8112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12629 @ 0.00062081 = 7.8402 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: "bitcoin experts" oh my sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0006357 = 6.4841 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1298 @ 0.00449537 = 5.835 BTC [+] {4}
undata: ben_vulpes: what a crock
assbot: ICANN Targeted in Spear Phishing Attack | Enhanced Security Measures Implemented - ICANN ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZfenh )
asciilifeform: apparently, genuinely and truly pwned.
assbot: MtGox Bankruptcy Trustee Answers Some Questions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZfzX1 )
cazalla: wru scoopbot :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4929 @ 0.00063662 = 3.1379 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: scoopbot don't have the scoop?
kakobrekla: !up rdekley_
kakobrekla: !up rdymac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13640 @ 0.00063343 = 8.64 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00064671 = 1.5553 BTC [+]
TomServo: Nah, you can just grab the torrent when 'GOP' release their 'christmas surprise' :P
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3 BTC. Current weight: 96,792.
cazalla: anyone able to read japanese? Bitcoin取引所が、取引妨害攻撃を受けたとして口座からの引き出しを一時停止。 google translate is not much use
kakobrekla: !up transfix
undata: thestringpuller: "We stand by our filmmakers and their right to free expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome." << what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film?
undata: cowards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00064671 = 3.1689 BTC [+]
assbot: Movie Idea: After every legal form of film distribution is threatened, Pirate Bay founders released from prison to help with one last job.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334782 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1889 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36113185475.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.47614
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 319.5, vol: 22815.81816038 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 316.571, vol: 7996.69331 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 317.63, vol: 35111.45482007 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 318.023677, vol: 147394.63030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 332.16906, vol: 30.55617748 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 329.6382, vol: 168.92705344 | Volume-weighted last average: 318.073502141
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18715 @ 0.00062798 = 11.7526 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
assbot: Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying to break DNS, the backbone of the internet | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJwJKi )
Luke-Jr: undata: not particularly, why?
Luke-Jr: trying to FUD again?
undata: Luke-Jr: you seem to think with slogans like "FUD"
ben_vulpes: MPAA doesn't like magic numbers, Luke-Jr doesn't like magic numbers...
undata: read the article, consider the blacklisting thing in bitcoin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: nonsense, I have never done anything that can legitimately be called censorship
[]bot: Bet created: "Russian Ruble to fall to 100 RUB or more per USD before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1086/
Luke-Jr: not donating your resources to someone harming you, is not censorship, it's common sense
ben_vulpes: it's *so* expensive to relay those transactions.
Luke-Jr: doesn't matter
ben_vulpes: kinda misses the entire point of the tcp protocol, where one just routes packets.
Luke-Jr: I have no obligation to donate my CPU time and bandwidth to someone period, whether they are harming me or not.
ben_vulpes: no definitely.
ben_vulpes: but you should hard code that into your own sourceball instead of cramming into gentoo.
Luke-Jr: nobody much routes TCP packets free of charge
ben_vulpes: especially if you can't figure out how to load it as config.
undata: Luke-Jr: your argument reduces to "save the children"
Luke-Jr: undata: no, it doesn't.
Luke-Jr: undata: your argument reduces to "lol I can't think"
ben_vulpes: his argument for not forwarding is fine, if constrained to his own apparently anemic boxes.
undata: ^ this is a mind which has touched the holy source
undata shudders
ben_vulpes: but imposed on the rest of the world...
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: it is NOT being imposed on ANYONE
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: this argument aside, what do you intend to do when your victims change addrs ?
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: we already had this conversation
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nothing, clearly.
undata: another slogan "arms race"
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: iirc the answer was 'la la can't hear you'
undata: heh
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: also, I have no victims
ben_vulpes: his victims apparently don't care.
Luke-Jr: I am on the defensive, not the offensive.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the people who play the dice games aren't people ?
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: heh, some of them came out and said "stop us" when confronted - so …
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: they're not games, they're attacks on Bitcoin
ben_vulpes: "confronted" lol
danielpbarron stabs Luke-Jr
ben_vulpes: "attacks on Bitcoin" << wat
undata: Luke-Jr: they're terrorists eh?
Luke-Jr: the "game" is just a tool they use to involve others
ben_vulpes: oh do go on.
Luke-Jr: terrorists would have to cause terror
ben_vulpes: how is this an attack?
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: let's posit that this is so. then why do you bother, if bitcoin is doomed ?
Luke-Jr: it's a DDoS, except at the Bitcoin layer rather than TCP
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: given that you have admitted to lacking a backup plan when they start switching addrs
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: who said Bitcoin was doomed? Bitcoin has this nice system of miners to address the spam problem.
ben_vulpes: how precisely a ddos?
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the miners are happily incorporating the 'spam' into blocks.
danielpbarron: a DDoS in which the victims are compelled to... gamble?
ben_vulpes: blockchain must bloat. fact of nature.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: they're not the victims
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: the gambling front is just a way to get someone else paying the cost of bypassing Bitcoin's primary spam prevention (tx fees)
danielpbarron: the compromised hosts are victims too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122868 = 1.2287 BTC [+] {8}
ben_vulpes: again, Luke-Jr - how is this a ddos?
undata: because like, lots of traffic, and I don't want it... ?
Luke-Jr: I get tired of repeating myself.
ben_vulpes: this one i've yet to hear an answer to.
undata: Luke-Jr: your explanations to date have little content worth repeating
Luke-Jr: it's distributed, by using gambling as a front to get others to cover the expense
Luke-Jr: it denies service, by filling the blockchain with garbage
ben_vulpes: please, at least, link to the point in the log where you explained how these small transactions are a ddos.
ben_vulpes: how is it garbage to send small amounts of bitcoin around?
danielpbarron: "filling??" when was the last time there was a full block?
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: today?
BingoBoingo: How is it spam if they pay tx fees?
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam
undata: Luke-Jr: you are avoiding addressing the deeper question of whether *you* have the right to decide for the whole network what constitutes spam
Luke-Jr: undata: I never pretended I did.
ben_vulpes: no but you see it's just *hiiiis* code, undata.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Paying for a transaction is literally the definition of not spam.
undata: which would be fine were it not passed off as mainline
danielpbarron: he doesn't have the right or ability to effect such a change; that's not the issue
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: no, it isn't.
ben_vulpes: except he doesn't have the courtesy to keep his braindamage on his own machines.
undata: which is the expectation of what a *maintainer* does
Luke-Jr: undata: it's not passed off as mainline
undata: "here's the package in good faith that it's what the writers did"
Luke-Jr: undata: nothing in Gentoo is like that
Luke-Jr: you must not use it
undata: Luke-Jr: I've run gentoo for years.
Luke-Jr: then you know almost everything gets patched
undata: default use flags are understood to be ... defaults
Luke-Jr: yes, and they're still defaults
undata: you decided your patch was a sensible default, though the "core devs" did not
undata: explain that.
Luke-Jr: the maintainer of the package always decides what is a sensible default.
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