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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00052146 = 30.8704 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: That's actually the line the Jurassic park sequels take when dinosaur feathers happened to become the consensus-ish thing IRL
assbot: xkcd: Birds and Dinosaurs ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00052508 = 3.8331 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: incidentally, german phrase of the day:
asciilifeform: verscharfte vernehmung.
assbot: Adam Wainwright apologizes to fantasy baseball players for missing final start | ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00052529 = 11.2675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 127 @ 0.00857331 = 1.0888 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00052727 = 17.3999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00050889 = 7.7351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052754 = 1.3189 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: okay 700 log lines. go!
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> ;;rate jyap 1 << easy come easy go lol
assbot: I hope he comes here to tell us how "gpg is not user friendly and too hard." /jyap /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /ElectrumWallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00052756 = 29.4906 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ad nauseum << lol!
ben_vulpes: <undata> it's this social progress thing << sounds like it's time to have another dinner party
ben_vulpes: ;;ident mats
gribble: Nick 'mats', with hostmask 'mats!sid23029@gateway/web/', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot mats
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mats!sid23029@gateway/web/ Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 20:47:48 2014
ben_vulpes: ah i think i recall now.
mircea_popescu: used to be mats_something
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?
ben_vulpes: decimation: "street urchins" << moar tenements, i say!
assbot: Tenement Life 1860-1910 - YouTube ... ( )
ben_vulpes: well hm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00052776 = 30.2934 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00050891 = 26.8704 BTC [-]
punkman: decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases? <- exponent must be smaller than curve order, which is 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141
punkman: and fwiw,
assbot: Controversy Around Bitcoin Elliptic Curve | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00053389 = 15.9633 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1567 @ 0.00122 = 1.9117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1254 @ 0.00122 = 1.5299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.0005344 = 15.3373 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1587 @ 0.00120218 = 1.9079 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.13924399 = 2.0887 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00051253 = 26.2928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00053736 = 33.5044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00054858 = 37.7423 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22358 @ 0.00055552 = 12.4203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00055898 = 1.5651 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75634 @ 0.00055287 = 41.8158 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ivok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40242 @ 0.00055898 = 22.4945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16431 @ 0.00055955 = 9.194 BTC [+] {2}
scoopbot: New post on by cazalla:
cazalla: fetch scoopbot, fetch, good dog
cazalla: ah it was sit but whatever the fuck
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: then he should be called oobot
cazalla: still remember that for some reason, clearly you do too fluffypony
fluffypony: yup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35597 @ 0.00054829 = 19.5175 BTC [-]
punkman: cazalla: did the normal man have a website?
cazalla: info is scarce at this time, few diff stories floating around
assbot: Bitcoin Launderer From Normal Sentenced To Federal Prison | WGLT ... ( )
cazalla: clearly he was anything but normal
cazalla: there is a john powell negro on youtube who is into bitcoin from 2013, nfi if it is him
assbot: WWCW Keynote - john powell - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: seems a nice man
cazalla: age fits
cazalla: speaking of black people, i was watching some notorious big music videos and it occurred to me, his weight looks average now, bit much to call him big by 2015 standards
punkman: lol
cazalla: srs, watch him in juicy
assbot: The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy" - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: it was all a dream, i use to read bitcoin magazine..
punkman: so turns out royalmail's "airmail" is now "truckmail"
punkman: fuckers
punkman: and I was wondering why it took 10+ days every time
fluffypony: that's the untracked one?
punkman: tracked
fluffypony: oh that's stupid of them
assbot: Information for international customers | Royal Mail Group Ltd ... ( )
punkman: they rebranded earlier this year
punkman: 10 GBP for truck mail? that's highway robbery
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48810 @ 0.00054171 = 26.4409 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: hilarious
assbot: ... ( )
cazalla: ppl really use those pod things?
punkman: aha
cazalla: prefer tea tbh, coffee meh
punkman sneaks off to make a cup of matcha
cazalla: nice cup of fukashima green tea eh punkman
cazalla: you fkn glow as green as the tea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28753 @ 0.00056211 = 16.1623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00056459 = 7.1703 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla, aye straight from japan, still neon green
cazalla: i use to drink a lot of sencha until fukashima
cazalla: then i was like, fkn japanese dogs try to sell mongorrians tainted green tea
punkman: cazalla, could buy some from west japan
cazalla: maybe fukashima farmer takes his tea to west japan, claims tea grown there
cazalla: anyway, we have green tea grown here, just not as good
punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage
cazalla: yeah that too
cazalla: my missus asian bff, offerred me some chinese liqour once
punkman: well what you gonna do, not drink tea
cazalla: without thinking of cultural sensitivity, i say i'm not drinking that shit, she was most offended lol
cazalla: punkman, fuck that, i has about 10 cups a day
cazalla: use to have a bit of a rooibos habit too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00122755 = 1.9641 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: where is vexual when ya need him
assbot: Jo Jo Zep & The Falcons- Hit And Run - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Grinspoon - Just Ace (Recovery, 1998) - YouTube ... ( )
punkman: cazalla: scoop for you
assbot: Twitter and GMX accounts compromised ... ( )
cazalla: nooooo, i want to believe he hates the nigs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41011 @ 0.00056621 = 23.2208 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.13999988 = 1.4 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Regurgitator - Black Bugs - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: and muh fav /me far too much to drink tonight
assbot: Spiderbait - Calypso - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: as i said to BingoBoingo, the trilema article on fat people and their diet which culiminates in day 10-14 gorging themselves on food, tonight, i gorge on alcohol after an abstinence
assbot: Spiderbait - Glockenpop - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Magic Dirt - City Trash (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: and zzzzzzzzzz
assbot: Magic Dirt - Vulcanella (Billabong Detour) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00056221 = 9.3046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54559 @ 0.00056293 = 30.7129 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00056157 = 23.0524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00056157 = 1.0108 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: ;;later tell ben_vulpes << the first revision
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 06:35:49; ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16340 @ 0.00056112 = 9.1687 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056092 = 14.9766 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41358 @ 0.00055679 = 23.0277 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13548 @ 0.00056795 = 7.6946 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot danielpbarron
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
nubbins`: gues you never were
danielpbarron: lol i was; i was on the first list
nubbins`: o
danielpbarron: not sure why, since i had just recently joined the channel
nubbins`: well i guess assbot doesn't issue ;;rate commands in-chan
nubbins`: danielpbarron you'll find that most things around here are overly ad-hoc in their implementation
nubbins`: this novus dominus thing is no different 8)
nubbins`: !s rate from:assbot
assbot: 70 results for 'rate from:assbot' :
danielpbarron: it was fun while it lasted; I got to lord over the -otc folk a bit
nubbins`: !s danielpbarron from:assbot
assbot: 11 results for 'danielpbarron from:assbot' :
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: !s !up
assbot: 20366 results for '!up' :
danielpbarron: if you're looking for the rating change, it's logged in #bitcoin-otc-ratings
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: (that's a channel?!)
danielpbarron: yeah, a pretty cool one too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27280 @ 0.00059633 = 16.2679 BTC [+]
decimation: punkman: thanks for the link
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah usg runs the tenement business now, mostly funded by its credit
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
TomServo: !up Vexual
Vexual: thanks for the continue TomServo, i thought this was flappy birds for a minute
Vexual: L0 again?
assbot: ... ( )
Vexual: worst .bait evar
decimation: that is an amusing image: the British public took offense because it looked like an ogre was breaching royal protocol
decimation: to the american eye, it looks like they are just 'having fun'
Vexual: what is the protocol there?
decimation: I think "don't grab the princess" is on the list
Vexual: no shit
Vexual: what next?
assbot: One's new best friend: The Queen, Michelle and the new touchy-feely protocol | Daily Mail Online ... ( )
Vexual: aka swinging just got real
Vexual: (nasty)
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 350.81, Best ask: 352.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 350.79, 24 hour volume: 12556.48664474, 24 hour low: 343.97, 24 hour high: 356.99, 24 hour vwap: 349.130565322
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00060326 = 3.2576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00060326 = 20.2695 BTC [+]
mats: it surges
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.12993213 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 150 @ 0.13929999 = 20.895 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.13964496 = 5.5858 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.14239652 = 4.1295 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00059661 = 26.5491 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.14083333 = 2.1125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00060713 = 29.8101 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29772 @ 0.00061354 = 18.2663 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 100471 @ 0.0012 = 120.5652 BTC {4}
thestringpuller: !t h AMHASH1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH1] 1D: 0.00120003 / 0.00121776 / 0.00124200 (15060 shares, 18.33946488 BTC), 7D: 0.00119000 / 0.00122054 / 0.00125000 (112339 shares, 137.11374519 BTC), 30D: 0.00112000 / 0.00121932 / 0.00127000 (392251 shares, 478.28083452 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t h AMHASH2
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1650 @ 0.0012 = 1.98 BTC
thestringpuller: !t h AMHASH3
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH3] 1D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC), 7D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC), 30D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1287 @ 0.0012 = 1.5444 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1050 @ 0.0012 = 1.26 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6553 @ 0.0012 = 7.8636 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6569 @ 0.0012 = 7.8828 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 9940 @ 0.0012 = 11.928 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 859 @ 0.00121999 = 1.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5753 @ 0.0012 = 6.9036 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3855 @ 0.0012 = 4.626 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2056 @ 0.0012 = 2.4672 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2957 @ 0.0012 = 3.5484 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5300 @ 0.0012 = 6.36 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17738 @ 0.00059126 = 10.4878 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4306 @ 0.0012 = 5.1672 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1268 @ 0.0012 = 1.5216 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2501 @ 0.0012 = 3.0012 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1500 @ 0.0012 = 1.8 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6050 @ 0.0012 = 7.26 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 851 @ 0.0012 = 1.0212 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1979 @ 0.0012 = 2.3748 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3016 @ 0.0012 = 3.6192 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5600 @ 0.0012 = 6.72 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00058371 = 6.9461 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1041 @ 0.0012 = 1.2492 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00058371 = 3.8817 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to win vs S&P 500" Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.32410779 BTC. Current weight: 16,370.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1750 @ 0.0012 = 2.1 BTC
mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11177 @ 0.00058371 = 6.5241 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1300 @ 0.0012 = 1.56 BTC
mircea_popescu: Namworld send me teh fb data if it's done (seems to be ?)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4957 @ 0.0012 = 5.9484 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10671 @ 0.0006401 = 6.8305 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3766 @ 0.0012 = 4.5192 BTC
Namworld: I just checked, it's about 3/4th of the way through.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6908 @ 0.00066468 = 4.5916 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00061962 = 17.969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1009 @ 0.0012 = 1.2108 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121935 = 1.2194 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8118 @ 0.0012 = 9.7416 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: Namworld ah kk ty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4210 @ 0.00121935 = 5.1335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00064862 = 25.9448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19173 @ 0.00061945 = 11.8767 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
dignork: nubbins`:
assbot: Russian circus attaches 'dead' hamsters to balloons and DROPS them as 'gifts' | Daily Mail Online ... ( )
dignork: ^ fake but still fun
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: russian "circus" throws dead rats in jars at children
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66871 @ 0.00057701 = 38.5852 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.14075 = 2.815 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26727 @ 0.00062562 = 16.7209 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16642 @ 0.00068095 = 11.3324 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17308 @ 0.00069042 = 11.9498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10957 @ 0.0002 = 2.1914 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7877 @ 0.00018133 = 1.4283 BTC [-] {38}
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? Or use a valid MPSIC!
thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 11123 @ 0.00064896 1500 @ 0.00056345 23817 @ 0.00056344 31631 @ 0.00055679
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 46700 @ 0.00065278 64200 @ 0.00066432 28551 @ 0.00068328 52200 @ 0.00068937
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 930 @ 0.0012 = 1.116 BTC
thestringpuller: notary is down for extended maintenance I thought.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10473 @ 0.00064896 = 6.7966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35827 @ 0.00065246 = 23.3757 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2420 @ 0.00121799 = 2.9475 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7754 @ 0.00014999 = 1.163 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: iirc was last weekend. anyway.
thestringpuller: punkman: you got some 'splainin to do!
thestringpuller: jkjk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00063602 = 7.7594 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 63s now huh ?
thestringpuller: it's because you announced the mircea_popescu stimulus package
mircea_popescu: oidid ?
thestringpuller: Haha. I was just imagining you as Bitcoin's Obama. It was funnier in my head because of the implied irony.
thestringpuller: But whatever.
mircea_popescu: i thought this was ghoing to be a sex joke.
thestringpuller: that probably would have been a better avenue
thestringpuller: i get booed off the stage when I do stand up :(
mircea_popescu: "the mp stimulus package",
assbot: ... ( )
thestringpuller: shemlessly opened in the middle of a training session at work
mircea_popescu: that'll train ya.
thestringpuller: I wish my teacher was a porn star teaching the class naked.
mircea_popescu: whjat class is it anyway
thestringpuller: mandatory training for onboarding on this company
thestringpuller: it's like Google's Bootcamp, but for this company (VMWare)
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: cazalla who was John Powell in bitcoin-terms ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: 10 GBP for truck mail? that's highway robbery <<< no, it's... AIRWAY ROBBERY
mircea_popescu: har har har
jurov: nubbins`:
assbot: Art Student Hand-Illuminates, Binds a Copy of Tolkien's Silmarillion | MAKE ... ( )
mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it.
mircea_popescu: whoa nubbins` now you have to hire that guy
mircea_popescu: or marry him.
mircea_popescu: << this by the way is an excellent write-up. anyone know the guy / invite him over ?
assbot: Controversy Around Bitcoin Elliptic Curve | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "unanimous allergic reactions when serious security questions are raised by uninvited academics"
mircea_popescu: heh.
kakobrekla: was there a new ssh vuln found past 24hrs?
mircea_popescu: "ERROR: JavaScript and Cookies are required in order to post a comment.
mircea_popescu: Please be sure JavaScript and Cookies are enabled in your browser."
mircea_popescu: derpistan.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, dunno yet, no court docs online, not entered in offender search yet either
asciilifeform: ecdsa curves, 'nothing up my sleeve' constants << think back to the legend with the 'randomly wired' neural net. if secp256k1 (or, another example, aes s-boxes) have sufficiently broad classes of 'weak key' - then all you need to do is find a simple, e.g., sqrt(2), whatever, 'sleeve constant' that impresses the fools.
nubbins`: jurov "he hand-illuminated the text which had been printed on his home Canon inkjet printer. He worked with a binder to assemble the resulting book."
mircea_popescu: so the guy that wrote that otherwise interesting post : 1) aslo wrote , a complete misrepresentation of the tim swhatever incident ; 2) runs a blog where you need cookies/js to leave him a comment pointing out that no, he's not extempt from the common requirements of "know what you're talking about before you posture" ; 3) has a contact page where i could donate btc to him (or ltc he
assbot: Bitcoin Security and Cryptography: Reasons to Worry | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... ( )
mircea_popescu: h), but which does not include his email, or his pgp key.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do these people expect to survive, seriously ?
nubbins`: dude uses a canon ;/
mircea_popescu: i get it, he's a "google scholar" and he has patents. whopee.
nubbins`: and didn't even bind it himself!
nubbins`: what kind of art preschool did he attend?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform atm im trying to discern whether the recent "secp256k1" talk is simply the defeated nsa trying to find a better reason to fork bitcoin, or these derps actualy have something.
mircea_popescu: but they're so fucking derpy they're not helping me, as itemized above.
asciilifeform: 'one cannot safely just ignore the advice of the cryptographic community about the elliptic curves. Not taking these questions seriously is bad, potentially a gross professional misconduct, and one could in theory even go to prison for that on the basis of some existing laws, for example safeguards rule in the US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!
mircea_popescu: heh.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, there is too
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cazalla: wonder why they didn't mention drugs in the news article
mircea_popescu: srsly, he keeps linking to reddit thinking/pretending to think he's engaging bitcoin thereby.
mircea_popescu: so much nuttery.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm wrestling with my PACER login to find some filings in the Powel case
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still, i can see the argument that "7" is not safe just for being you know, the number of holes on your body.
mircea_popescu: i wonder, if i say Dr. Nicolas T. Courtois will this then be the first hit on his name tomorrow or something ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, birdy whispers in my ear guy's from group that came up with the original xls aes attack. definitely more standing than tim swanson or w/e.
asciilifeform: 'there is like 30 papers each year published in cryptographic literature in which cryptosystems fail exactly because they use small integers...' << ahahaha. what a brazen and deliberate confusion. bringing up rsa coppersmith attack in thread on unrelated cryptosystem.
mircea_popescu: but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective.
mircea_popescu: they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.
mircea_popescu: !up rdymac
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (incidentally, coppersmith didn't think much of the xsl thing)
BingoBoingo: Finally got the login sorted out, vague indictment was vague
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they can put people away without even saying what for huh.
BingoBoingo: Well, Indictment lists the charges as money transmission stuff, and "possession of marijuana with intention to distribute"
BingoBoingo: Going to read more
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: so the guy had a bag big enough is it ?
mircea_popescu: iirc that's what intent is predicated on
asciilifeform: questionable attacks on aes, etc << there are stables of ops grunts paid to sow disinfo - false research leads, general-purpose 'fud' for the academic community, promotion of sensational mystery meats ('badbios' !), etc.
asciilifeform: a bag big enough >> :
asciilifeform: !s toilet tank
assbot: 7 results for 'toilet tank' :
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BingoBoingo: So many sealed documents. Apparently last employed April 2008 making $10k/month
BingoBoingo: 2006 Hyundai Sonata
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. which is why it's so difficult to discern.
mircea_popescu: obviously, honest man would be in wot rather than sitting at the fringe arguing about how him being in the thief seats is wholly immaterial, he's just there for the view, comfort and etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes, the buggers 'go into tilt' and make it laughably easy. that piece reads as if it had been written by mr. spamgun himself.
BingoBoingo: The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo!
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why we'd believe 7 is a good exponent
mircea_popescu: rather than whatever any other one.
mircea_popescu: obviously, this is no reason to change anything, but as an intellectual pursuit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically they're just begging for attention at this point.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i didn't pick the 7! but i dare to guess that it was chosen out of spite.
mircea_popescu: i didn't pick it either, and i am thankful for not having had to.
mircea_popescu: i certainly am not about to go over the man's picks and "improve em".
mircea_popescu: but even an ant may wonder.
BingoBoingo: Here's the defendan't blog
assbot: Share The Zing ... ( )
cazalla: is this related to ddos guy or just random ?
assbot: dpaste: 0DZR5J9 ... ( )
BingoBoingo: One of the presentencing documents is a prinout of the fucking wikipedia page on Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: cazalla sems random spam
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo which court is this ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US Central District of Illinois
mircea_popescu: idiots.
BingoBoingo: The entire witness list consists of one item "Group of Photos"
BingoBoingo: And some illegible name with them Luke something or other
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BingoBoingo: And... he plead guilty
mircea_popescu: on advice from his court-provided or else court-owned scamlawyer
mircea_popescu: the crowd of vultures pretending to represent people's interests in the us courts while strictly representing the court's interest in people's lives is one of the most underrated problems of that country.
mircea_popescu: it's like nigeria, except in nigeria you can't find dentists. in the us you can't find lawyers.
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing court appointed, but no way to tell. The only interesting filing was his handwritten filing pre sentencing.
BingoBoingo: Also the "Statement of Reasons" last filing is also unavailable
undata: that top qntra article is sad.
undata: I was working on my own crypto-only exchange for a bit, then thought better of it since I don't have piles of money for lawyers
BingoBoingo: Not much in the documents other than how evil it is to plea guilty because it lets prosecutors become lazy
undata: looks like I made the right choice
undata: side note: is for sale :p
mircea_popescu: the more interesting tyhing is that BingoBoingo is practically becoming a field-trained paralegal.
BingoBoingo: Well, I'm already a university trained librarian. The rest is just getting a vague idea of what the law shit means
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
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BingoBoingo: Well, the university training wasn't much other than social justice derping as a minority.
BingoBoingo: *surviving
BingoBoingo: Because when they are in the majority the social justic derps oppress, just less competently
BingoBoingo: Which is to everyone's detriment.
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BingoBoingo may have called out fellow students for hating on the Football team, by suggested they we hating the way those young men expressed their gender...
BingoBoingo also might have suggested the derps were racist for hating the football team because it is one of the most prominent means by which young african americans can achieve upwards social mobility
mats: yeah, and joining the military.
BingoBoingo: Yeah there's that too.
mats: your chances of killing yourself are roughly half!
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BingoBoingo: I know football presents a greater chance of disability for much more imaginary future money
adlai: do we finally see potus for what it is, just another role on a stage?
assbot: The Colbert Report - President Obama Delivers The Decree - YouTube ... ( )
mats: yeah, what is it, like two in three NFL players end up broke after leaving the league?
mats: o wow. even higher.
assbot: Pro athletes and financial trouble – ... ( )
mats: > Sports Illustrated estimated in 2009 that 78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within two years of ending their playing careers and that 60percent of NBA players are broke within five years of retiring from the game.
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BingoBoingo: Yeah, they get that access to so much money so fast
undata: probably not a profession that selects for intelligence to begin with, and it runs a high risk of frontal lobe injury
ben_vulpes: and who said slavery and gladiation was dead!?
BingoBoingo: undata: Well, pretty much any impact related brain injury is possible. Because helmets make people Invincible! Who cares about physics.
undata: BingoBoingo: heh, they even use that animation of the two helmets colliding
BingoBoingo: Even though the players aren't allowed to do that anymore because it is "Targeting" and justifies suspending the SEC sacks leader mid game so Alabama won't have to suffer the possibility of a close game.
mats: the NFL should just get rid of helmets.
BingoBoingo: Prolly, or go back to the doofy leather things
undata: I need a word for this. It's such a common Americanism.
undata: football *certainly isn't* about watching idiots injure each other
undata: like child beauty pagents *certainly aren't* weird quasi-child-porn
undata: ah Orwell already treated it as "war is peace"
undata: BingoBoingo: mats: or just accept that what we're doing is watching people fuck each other up
undata: at least the UFC has very little pretense about that
mats: meh. i don't watch sports on television.
BingoBoingo: The UFC sucks because the matchups aren't competative.
mats: things i do watch: Homeland, The Newsroom, New Girl, Sons of Anarchy, Psycho Pass
mats: if you enjoyed Ghost in the Shell, you'll probably like Psycho Pass.
mats: i lost the battle in giving up TV. i haven't picked up anything new though, so thats a win, i guess
undata: mats: the newsroom is a good show
mats: the last episode was terrible. they should've avoided all commentary about feminazis in the media
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mats: they do alright, generally, but chicks i talk to about it aren't happy with how women are portrayed in the show
mats: their characters are shallow, and apparently don't pass the Bechdel test.
mats: ;;google Bechdel test
gribble: Bechdel test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Bechdel Test Movie List: <>; 10 Famous Films That Surprisingly Fail The Bechdel Test: <>
undata: yeah I can see that
undata: the various romance subplots are insufferable
mats: the more you know!
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ben_vulpes: what i really want is to listen to strong female characters talking about...what to strong female characters talk about?
mats: whatever the dudes talk about, i suppose.
mats: looks like they're not even going to bother with taking kurdistan first
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assbot: U.S. Navy Allowed to Use Persian Gulf Laser for Defense - USNI News ... ( )
mats: what a useless and expensive weapon
mircea_popescu: jesus the fruits in this country, i can't get over it.
mircea_popescu: i have never in my life had cherries this good
mircea_popescu: an' romaians are big on cherries.
mircea_popescu: mats wd :)
assbot: The Romanian language for other people. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << the lingering q is how the fuck are lactation aids worth 1k
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mats: mircea_popescu: cool. i appreciate your patience, still working on picking up latin and romanian. and maintaining the other languages bouncing around in my head.
mats: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mats', with hostmask 'mats!sid23029@gateway/web/', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None
mats: mircea_popescu: 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
asciilifeform is ever more convinced that systemd, with its default setting of vomiting syslog to every ptty console (!), constantly, is really an elaborate trolling gag project
kakobrekla: now your bitcoin address will get ddosed :\
mats: :(
mats: asciilifeform: seen the latest on 'Ubuntu Core'? piles on piles of shit.
asciilifeform: why and how would i even see this.
ben_vulpes: << relevant
assbot: Announcing Snappy Ubuntu | Cloud | Ubuntu ... ( )
undata: on azure!
undata: I would laugh my ass off for days if MS ever bought Canonical
asciilifeform: only remembered 'systemd' now because happened to switch on a machine in my collection, a 'google chromebook a15', based on single-chip 'arm.' afaik, no clean (traditional init) linux distro has ever been published for said machine.
asciilifeform: the real insult is that the manufacturer's stock os is: a bastardized gentoo.
asciilifeform: but go and try to set up a normal gentoo, in such a way that all of the necessary peripherals (gpu, power controller) actually work.
asciilifeform: afaik, no one has achieved this.
undata: asciilifeform: tried doing a localyesconfig on the Chrome OS?
asciilifeform: i'm not interested in using 'chrome os.'
asciilifeform: for anything.
undata: asciilifeform: nah, that would give you a kernel config for gentoo proper
asciilifeform: except it wouldn't
asciilifeform: there are closed blobs in there.
undata: oh, terrible!
asciilifeform: bought that thing >1 yr ago, because could not resist an attempt at a laptop that is entirely solid state, can be carried in one hand, and runs 12+hrs on a charge
asciilifeform: part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine
undata: my most recent purchase was a lenovo x1 carbon
asciilifeform: and non-x86 modern portable having keyboard is such a rarity that could not be passed up
undata: the thinkpad brand is dead
asciilifeform: the non-thinkpad brands are even deader.
undata: I'm pretty sure this one has a hardware issue; / remounts read-only sporadically
asciilifeform: but this tale was not about a 'proper' laptop, but attempt to glue together a portable-with-keyboard that isn't x86 and therefore can actually achieve some serious runtime on battery
undata: yet there are no bad blocks to be found
asciilifeform: undata: loose mount (as in physical connector) ?
undata: asciilifeform: perhaps, though restarting it without jiggling anything always works
asciilifeform full of wrath re: google profiting off all of the work that folks put into linux, to create the abortion spoken of earlier; a deliberate hardware troll.
undata: that's their move; buy things that can be bought, snatch the free stuff
asciilifeform: i can easily understand now why theo de raadt zapped support for loadable kernel modules in openbsd
undata: shovel out shiny thing covered in ads and spyware
asciilifeform: the only way to prevent this kind of situation - a pure scorched earth approach
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asciilifeform: not that someone could not, hypothetically, link a blob into an openbsd kernel and try to persuade folks to use it. but the result would probably be: laughter.
asciilifeform: somehow the loadability seems to be psychologically necessary for blob acceptance.
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decimation: asciilifeform: or fork openbsd
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decimation: but in the case it wouldn't openbsd anymore
decimation: and one couldn't bake a meatloaf with particles of linux and call it 'linux'
asciilifeform: decimation: hell knows how many entirely-closed industrial turds contain a bsd
asciilifeform: the chromebook thing is just like the situation i spoke of last week:
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2014 04:32:47; asciilifeform:
asciilifeform: a gizmo, ships with a linux variant
asciilifeform: but only runs because contains turds
decimation: I've been tagged with supporting a 'palo alto' vpn turd box. I'm pretty sure it's bsd
asciilifeform: if you try to construct own linux (or bsd, whichever) on the machine - nothing but torment
decimation: asciilifeform: only google knows the right bits to flip I guess
asciilifeform: it will either refuse to run at all, or worse - run intermittently because there nominally exist open drivers for the necessary peripherals, but the manufacturer did not used them
asciilifeform: *use
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decimation: they probably hired some taiwanese code monkeys to write drivers with the nda'ed full docs
asciilifeform: and then you go and buy 25 different gizmos to see if even one does not meet this pattern
asciilifeform: and end up with a crate of scrap
asciilifeform: because 100%.
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decimation: it pisses me off that one cannot buy a 100% nda free x86 system
decimation: yes, I know about the 'novena'
asciilifeform: what processor - can ?
asciilifeform: can i see the mask for 'arm' core - the actual production mask - without nda?
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, with ?
decimation: I just want the spec and docs (with talmud of errata)
asciilifeform: 'novena laptop' is a hardware troll
decimation: some intel peripheral chips are documented
decimation: well, I would give novena a hell of alot more credit if they actually shipped
asciilifeform: that is, something so laughably and irredeemably inadequate for its nominal purpose that its very existence is a troll.
decimation: it appears to me they have been 'prototyping' for about a year
decimation: and they are still 'fundraising' as far as I can tell
decimation: with a reasonable and open bus, it would be simple to plug in an fpga card if one wanted to use
decimation: PCI is neither reasonable nor open
asciilifeform: where is the open fpga?
decimation: no it uses xilinix
asciilifeform: pci is a paragon of transparency compared with any extant fpga
decimation: I guess 'no nda' just means drivers specs
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: and how about the micro in the ssd ?
asciilifeform: whither the specs
decimation: hehe asciilifeform pokes
asciilifeform: will poke until it bursts. and it doesn't take much.
asciilifeform: hardware trolls - to scrapyard. authors - to biodiesel.
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decimation: one wonders about the touchscreen drivers too
decimation: what about the keyboard uC firmware?
decimation: and so forth
asciilifeform: the most enraging thing is the idiots who think there has been -any- progress made on this front.
asciilifeform: because this is a situation where anything short of 100% is equivalent to 0%.
decimation: basically to even *start* to do anything will require someone like that russian billionare giving a shit
asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly.
decimation: yeah. if herr watson wishes to poke at modernity that would be a good start
decimation: but his few $mil is too piddly to accomplish anything
asciilifeform: incidentally, there once lived upon the good earth a group of people who carried on development of entirely open computer hardware, prying open closed turds whenever they felt necessary without even breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: and daring anyone to try to stop them
asciilifeform: it was called the ussr.
mats: well, when the rocket leaves the pad, id be happy to join you in this prying
asciilifeform favours the 'year zero' approach, but this is not news
asciilifeform: a forcibly blown open 'xilinx' soft/hard stack would be a good start though.
asciilifeform: as i may have once explained, the chicoms have not done this and should not be expected to ever do it, because fpga is profoundly useless in a mass consumer product.
asciilifeform: fundamentally.
decimation: asciilifeform: "US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!" << USG generally has no problem giving commands to 'technical people' in its Vader Voice
asciilifeform: decimation: that line was a 'the mask fell off' moment in that article.
asciilifeform: decimation: after it, there could be no mistake as to the nature and motivations of the author.
decimation: not only is open fpga useless for consumer market, it openly antagonizes it
asciilifeform: it is simply wasteful for any extant mass application - does a dildo need general-purpose switching matrix logic ?
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asciilifeform: don't wait for the chinese to copy fpga. they have no reason whatsoever to.
asciilifeform: for prototyping (the only thing they are presently used for) they are happy to buy the american chips and use their closed turdchains.
decimation: yeah, it really is only useful for 'actual people' who want to research interesting digital applications
asciilifeform: just as china (along with the rest of the planet) happily runs winblows.
decimation: this is not a large market
asciilifeform: it's a market of, what... 10 people.
decimation: is this dominance of xilinix, ms, etc really a case of the 'giant' sitting on the stool?
asciilifeform: i will not only die of old age but probably manage to fossilize before anyone ever thinks of serving this market.
decimation: it seems to me that if there were any midgets, they are long gone
asciilifeform: decimation: the midgets were exterminated, possibly before birth, by patents
decimation: yeah and copyright in the case of ms
asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model
decimation: it's a neat trick to time-warp into the future and murder your competitors in the womb
asciilifeform: licensing of circuit modules
asciilifeform: this is because it is quite impossible, as i understand, to really make serious money selling the chips
asciilifeform: they virtually never end up in consumer products except as a result of extreme haste (rushing a prototype to market)
decimation: yeah I've heard it referred to as the "ip cores" market
asciilifeform: (where!? see, e.g, the 'rio pmp' early mp3 player.)
asciilifeform: !s xilinx
assbot: 42 results for 'xilinx' :
asciilifeform: discussed here on several separate occasions.
decimation: apparently the the prices they charge for these "ip cores" are highly negotiable depending on your account with them
asciilifeform: and their ability to carry out this 'air merchant' trick is entirely tied to a maximally-closed chip architecture.
asciilifeform: otherwise it would be a simple matter to learn how the mystery meat module works and remplement.
asciilifeform: *reimplement
decimation: yeah whenever I hear "ip cores" I immediately think of all the legal bullshit that they are pimping to support their 'business'
decimation: maybe some snowden working for xilinix will release the dox one day
asciilifeform: doesn't do much good
decimation: they would probably just discontinue that line
asciilifeform: i did tell the tale, of how on one occasion someone succeeded in mostly reversing a particular chip
asciilifeform: it is now entirely unobtainable.
asciilifeform: almost as much as the first (and last, and only) xilinx part that had open docs from the vendor
asciilifeform: it is never enough to reverse engineer a particular item.
asciilifeform: the results must go into soviet-style production by the megatonne.
asciilifeform: at least, for a silicon chip, that cannot be made in a cellar
decimation: that's something the russian billionare could help with
asciilifeform: but why
decimation: unfortunately there is not much 'spare' capacity
asciilifeform: there will -never- be spare capacity for a counter-economic project.
decimation: the only credible buyers I can imagine are non-us defense
asciilifeform: the same folks happily running winblows and ms-office ?
asciilifeform: hahaha
decimation: yeah I know
asciilifeform: martian defense.
asciilifeform: that's who'll buy.
decimation: as long as usg sits on the stool it will remain that way
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced this is a usg-dependent phenomenon
decimation: no, the real driver is the expense of a chip fab
asciilifeform: as in, usg can and will perish, but the widgets spoken of here will not magically appear.
asciilifeform: there would have to be some rational mechanism to bring them into being.
decimation: cheap chip fabrication would do it
decimation: but that's almost science fiction
asciilifeform: if you had cheap chip fab, there would not even be much reason to build fpga !
decimation: I mean if we could 'kickstart' such a design for a few $K
asciilifeform: other than for exotic circuits that reprogram selves, etc
asciilifeform: even then
decimation: actually the design work is way more than the fabrication
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: not if you're the designer
decimation: well, costs lifetime then
asciilifeform: costs no more than we're paying now to talk.
decimation: including the warez for design toolchain?
asciilifeform: ideally, a from-scratch rational reimplementation (that ignores patents on best-known algos, yes)
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asciilifeform: technically if you were to write a logic synthesis tool today, from scratch, it would still be 'warez'
asciilifeform: i generally tag all of the parties responsible for this state of affairs as agents of usg, whether they would think of themselves as such or not.
decimation: certainly most of their sales are to usg's layer 2
decimation: there aren't many fpgas in consumer chips in general
decimation: consumer boards I should say
asciilifeform: wasn't speaking of fpga specifically
asciilifeform: but anyone involved in the patent of algorithms apparatus
asciilifeform: in whatever capacity.
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decimation: ironically the us got its start pirating machine designs from england
asciilifeform: this is well-known.
decimation: that and talented machinists would leave to 'seed' enterprises in europe & elsewhere
asciilifeform: the secret boojum of chip business is that anything whose production is inherently centralized to that degree, is almost divinely ordained to suck.
asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes.
decimation: heh << related
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asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
assbot: 10 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' :
asciilifeform: ^ more related
undata: asciilifeform: how much money would you need to produce said computer and a suitable OS?
asciilifeform: suitable for whom ?
undata: a guy wanting to write some code and keep a secret or two
asciilifeform: very vague, this.
undata hands asciilifeform his busted laptop
undata: something that replaces this piece of trash
asciilifeform: back to chip thread, for a spell - we're roughly in the situation of ancient china, which had printing but not movable type
asciilifeform: the closest thing anyone has conceived off to movable type re: chip design is the fpga concept.
asciilifeform: which is actually more analogous to a teletype (slow, ponderous, you would not want to print a book's print run on it)
asciilifeform: but indispensable for certain work.
decimation: and it isn't 'movable type' in the sense that someone with a brain can arrange the internals to serve his needs
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, a 100% open fpga, produced in a thousand factories of mutually-antagonistic owners, is the one and only way to 'open computer.'
asciilifeform: unless some fundamental discovery enabling cellar chip fab were to be made
decimation: or 'chip printing'
decimation: both of which are fantastic science fiction today
asciilifeform: ^ grantsmanship, usg desinfo.
asciilifeform: nothing remotely resembling a 'chip printer' is conceivable with presently-known physics
decimation: yeah it is easier to conceive of trained bacteria who arrange parts appropriately
decimation: 'bio-assembly' or whatever
asciilifeform: bacterium is almost as much too large as you and i.
asciilifeform: for this work.
asciilifeform: even if he had hands.
asciilifeform: once you clear away the usg grantsmanship, what mr. mold called 'scientocracy', you realize that actual science mostly 100% stopped around 1960.
decimation: yeah one would need trained molecules
asciilifeform: at least in the english world.
decimation: yes, usg 'sat' on this stool too
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asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible.
asciilifeform: in contrast, e.g., trofim lysenko's victims were at least intellectually-equipped to understand what was happening to them.
mircea_popescu: mats but there please.
decimation: asciilifeform: reading about lysenko immediately conjures the 'stierlitz files' where all the nazis had a high-school education
decimation: usg also stole the "having stolen science"
asciilifeform: the ones with actual education, went off to derp in aryan physics or annenerbe etc.
asciilifeform: big, fat difference.
decimation: or fled
asciilifeform: note, there was a where to flee.
decimation: heh true this
asciilifeform: where do you flee from the planet-devourer -if you want to do science- ?
asciilifeform: no destination.
decimation: king neptune?
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: mircea_popescu: I like your romanian poet/french revolution quote. It could almost be used as a motto for the west today
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mircea_popescu: the irony of modernity is that there's no shortage of answers. in fact, they're written generally a century ago. just... nobody [knows how to] reads.
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asciilifeform should like the answer to 'how do i grow single-crystal si in jungle conditions, how do i lay down dopant with ion beam sans high vacuum' etc.
asciilifeform wants to know in what roman text these answers lie.
asciilifeform can read.
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mircea_popescu: ah but! we're talking of different things.
mircea_popescu: he was discussing politics and society.
asciilifeform: aha lol
asciilifeform: the human zoo's been around for quite some time, yes.
asciilifeform: well-documented.
mircea_popescu: quiote
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decimation: asciilifeform: I wouldn't mind a 500 micrometer fab if it were possible at home
asciilifeform: i wouldn't mind a car that runs on farts, if it were possible at home.
decimation: hehe
undata: I'm still interested to hear an estimate on the R&D cost of an 'actual' computer
asciilifeform: undata: i can't even begin to say, because the expense involved is literally astronomical.
asciilifeform: as in, you would have to re-create entire industries from scratch
asciilifeform: as if after a global thermonuking.
asciilifeform: and you would not stand to make any of it back. it would have to be a purely narcissistic pyramid built for the self-aggrandizement of some king.
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: you're in with the monetas crowd, right?
decimation: asciilifeform: what language would you use to model 'dataflow' processing?
asciilifeform: a language that i don't even care to discuss because it cannot be meaningfully executed on existing hardware.
asciilifeform: everyone i've ever spoken with on the subject ended up mentally mutilating it to fit his von neumman and synchronous cpu preconceptions.
asciilifeform: ideally, i would teach it only to those who had never programmed a computer previously.
asciilifeform: or are at least 'mostly virgin'
asciilifeform: as in, the mental equivalents of the membranes are still largely intact.
decimation: I can see that. I imagine it would have ben something kinda like verilog with features that help you design asynchronous circuitry
asciilifeform: close.
asciilifeform: s-expression syntax, for reasons described in the 'brick' essay.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i wouldn't mind a car that runs on farts, if it were possible at home. << can you imagine hpow that'd go ? how it'd smell ? how uncomfortable the gas pipe'd get ?
asciilifeform: but even what i've said so far is hopelessly inaccurate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't imagine a home chip fab would smell much better.
mircea_popescu: yeah but you wouldn't try to get head in it.
asciilifeform: ever smell even a humble laser cutter ?
asciilifeform: or an indoor space where it had been in use in the past week.
mircea_popescu: never been near one that wasn't ventilated.
asciilifeform: even with powerful exhaust motor and chimney.
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
asciilifeform: there is always a little leak.
mircea_popescu: mostly virgin lol.
decimation: if there is anything this channel emphasizes, it seems to me that it is the downside of what appears to be 'the good'
mircea_popescu: as in, the downside of "the good stuff that can be had for cheap" ?
decimation: no one else writes about the downside of compilers as a technology (to my knowledge)
mircea_popescu: like... intellectually cheap "investing" ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah roughly
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's kinda what it is and kinda where it started.
decimation: I rolled over a pretty big retirement account into a fiat dollar broker
decimation: they gave me a 'free subscription' to 'investment training' - with seminars (not free!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << i hate writing in bed.
mircea_popescu: decimation upsell all the way out of the well!
decimation: yeah exactly
asciilifeform finds that he thinks better horizontally (in all possible orientations) but has never come across a computer that he could actually put to use in that position.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you would need 'chorded handles' so you could lay your arms on the bed
mircea_popescu: undata that's pretty much google yeah. and also everyone else trying to copy them (fb etc)
asciilifeform: decimation: the display, in practice, is the hard part
decimation: what about mounting gizmo that extends from wall or whatever?
mircea_popescu: i think best walking. am not trying to get a walking computor tho
asciilifeform: decimation: lol, just no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform every single room in this country has hardware, wrought iron tv supporter. i've not seen a tv yet standed on any surface.
undata: mircea_popescu: I prefer standing desks; pacing and thinking go well together
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think nearly as well when walking, and spent many years trying to construct something like a 'walking computer.'
asciilifeform: 'standing desk' has come into fashion where i live.
asciilifeform: all the way to elaborate, $1k+ hydraulic lift desks with position memory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly. << incidentally, this is why the idle rich are so important irl.
decimation: also 'walking desk'
decimation: usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich
mircea_popescu: all the bad things teh french revolution hated, like you know, lord X who owns property but "doesn't give anything back to society"
mircea_popescu: turns out... he's giving society breathing space.
undata: things like son-of-son of oculus rift or magic leap might provide walk-and-compute of some sort, but will be hopelessly tied to derptech
undata: facebook and google respectively
undata: both of which could be seen as parasitic destroyers of anything that smells remotely innovative in the US economy
mircea_popescu: i honestly do not wish to write either walking or laying down.
mircea_popescu: im happy thinking there, can write sitting later.
undata: programming tends to piss me off; pacing is the release valve
undata: at a previous job we even had a sand-filled punching bag for that
mircea_popescu: so i guess need more women in tech ?
undata: definitely, so they can file suit when the male programmers curse and throw things, which is only natural when you're up to your eyes in shit
undata: expressing anger having become socially unacceptable is one of the signs that the US is dead
mircea_popescu: more like frustration
mircea_popescu: i've not yet seen an angry american.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "And I looked at him and my blood ran cold"
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undata is used to people thinking he's too angry, is probably even-keeled by rational standards
mircea_popescu: it's a fabled beast.
undata: mircea_popescu: naw I was raised by a proper cold-warrior; they exist
undata: two actually, if you count step-parents
mircea_popescu: << check out his pompadour lmao
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes. <<< there's a lot of depth to this observation. for instance :
mircea_popescu: consider that china had helicopter designs cca 500ad, it had known of gunpowder for 3k years by the time we finally heard of it and they were writing alchemy treatises before homer was even walking the earth.
mircea_popescu: but it ~seems~ rational to centralize such things
mircea_popescu: and so they went nowhere.
mircea_popescu: just like the ottomans ended up "the sick man of europe" through a particular choice of centralisation
decimation: it is hard to convince the giant that allowing space for the midgets would be good for him
mircea_popescu: (they put a group of men in exclusive charge of battlefield rifle use)
mircea_popescu: the only great fortune of europe in the industrial age was that they copied the dutch approach (as the tulip mania was coming to a close, dutch courts simply refused to intervene in any capacity and "Fuck you!")
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, had this been centrally planned, it'd have worked as well as that whore cixi's trains.
BingoBoingo: Perfect writing in bed implement exists already, pen + paper
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i write on a platform that doesn't run grep o.O
mircea_popescu: !up user
decimation: << new kind of obamacare fascism
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible. << lol not so. again the chinese lead. they burned the books 2x.
mircea_popescu: and the pope did a lot better cca 7-900 ad too.
mircea_popescu: decimation i like that title.
decimation: apparently obamacare 'allows' employers to give you a 'discount' off your 'insurance' premiums if you enroll in their hitlerjunge programes
mircea_popescu: lol. they copied that off japan.
decimation: yeah I like this guy's blog, he edits the mainstream media
mircea_popescu: i knew the moment the japanese started with that weird, and the us libtard class started paying attention, i knew this was coming.
mircea_popescu: famously, ceausescu once visited kim in korea, came back with a cockfull of life and brand new ideas of how to perfect socialism.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is the us' great eastern visit.
decimation: yeah that's an interesting way to put it. asians would generally place the 'good of the company ' in front of their dignity
mircea_popescu: << wonder what comes of that.
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decimation: I think he is some kind of trader that works for a major firm
decimation: he had a whole thread about the london whale and associated retardation
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: sooo buenos aires has decided to set itself on fire because some local team won the local football cup.
mircea_popescu: this is about 3x the mess they made over world cup stuff.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << macbook air?
ben_vulpes: sounds like portland, mircea_popescu. irrelevant on the global scale but 'omg have you tried these donuts my brother makes?!'
decimation: so I find these AI doomsayers highly amusing. most of them would laugh at a Christian's claim of revelation (knowledge which comes neither through induction nor deduction) but are more than happy to jump on board the eliezer yudkowsky tard train because "I know it is true"
undata: decimation: the "singularity" is precisely technobabble heaven
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undata: seems like the AI doom scenario is just the inverted singularity
mircea_popescu: !up aabtc
decimation: !up badon
mircea_popescu: decimation the magical mental needs of the feeble minded don't go away simply because they are surrounded by / live in a society based on more advanced thoughts.
decimation: right, but in this case the 'feeble minded' are also the supposed captains of technology/science
mircea_popescu: you can dress 'em whichever way you want, but in the end a monkey merely trained to recognise the letters is not a scholar, and just so these "modern" men and women are in fact quite primitive.
undata: heaven/hell myths are found everywhere
undata: probably crudely useful to imagine "best" and "worst" possible circumstances when you don't have many concepts to rub together
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the traditional heaven (dude, it's like a really large field, we can camp and hike! and graze!)
mircea_popescu: seems to me pretty dang awful.
undata: mircea_popescu: yeah, we'll need a better heaven! heaven 3.0
undata: with sex-robots and teleportation
decimation: the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. I imagine it is a place where one can ask God wtf he was thinking
mircea_popescu: !s secret of turbulent flow
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mircea_popescu: psssh
mircea_popescu: !s secret of turbulence
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undata wonders whether there aren't things resembling heaven, hell and the other very basic concepts rolling around in his subconscious
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decimation: lol
danielpbarron: 10:55 <+decimation> the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. << seems pretty specific to me
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undata: I don't know how scientific the Jungian stuff is
undata: which is to say, not
undata: but maybe certain behaviors (like imagining a 'heaven' state) are instinctive
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undata requests the changelog for the human mind
undata: danielpbarron: strictly speaking, that's not heaven
undata: that's the new earth or whatever
danielpbarron: it's described as "the bride, the Lamb’s wife" and "the great city, the holy Jerusalem"
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undata: danielpbarron: right, god's supposed to drop that new city on jerusalem
undata: so not heaven, earth
undata: hm, actually the description is more munged together than that
danielpbarron: Jerusalem is God and God is the kingdom of heaven
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undata: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
undata: what does god have against the sea?
undata: anyhow that makes it sound like some kind of heaven on earth scenario
undata: gold walls and everything
danielpbarron: physical things exist in heaven; that is not an attribute limited to earthly things
undata: " Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
undata: "
undata: curse you, paste gods
decimation: undata: but this is exactly the 'revelation' point I was making above
undata: decimation: which?
undata: I agree that they're both the same flavor of magical thinking.
decimation: My point is that everyone has magical thinking
undata: ah yeah, then agreed doubly
undata: takes vigilance to do otherwise
decimation: I'm not sure it is humanly possibly, but I only have myself to speak for
undata: however, it might be adaptive to have a touch of it; would I keep working towards escaping the gravity well if I wasn't certain I can accomplish it?
undata: though that might not be too magical; I'm not asserting that it *will* happen, merely deciding to press on towards it
undata: it's hard to draw that line
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undata: decimation: I've wondered whether our capacity for creativity is exactly what tends to rot the brain
cazalla: anyone with an xbox account able to find out for me if microsoft is using bitpay or coinbase for this accept bitcoin news?
undata: decimation: from a certain perspective, imagining things that do not exist and creating them is delusion-fueled activity
decimation: undata: I think there is a 'yearning for meaning' inside of each human, and that generally drives them to choose a god of some kind
decimation: often themselves - self-appointment to what is god and what isn't
undata: decimation: yeah, some kind of "truth" accumulator
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: macbook air << funny that you mention that machine, because i have the original model. it mostly gathers dust.
undata: asciilifeform: that's probably my next one after this wreck
undata: I had a retina macbook, total rubbish
asciilifeform: usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing.
decimation: asciilifeform: and fearing the ai holocaust
thestringpuller: cazalla: it's not with a 3rd party
cazalla: thestringpuller, so they're taking it direct?
undata: decimation: veering into woo-woo territory, but in meditation I've often gotten the sense that the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk of what I am
undata: that there are drives, goals, whole projects somewhere lower-level that I'm barely conscious of
thestringpuller: cazalla: lemme see. i'll try to order something after I finish this thing for work.
cazalla: thestringpuller, thanks, no xbox or microsoft account here
asciilifeform: pen + paper << i end up doing a great bit of work with pen and paper, even though ink is not executable and my hands are in agony after ten minutes - simply because it works in places and positions where no computer
thestringpuller: hopefully I don't by xbox live or something in the process :P
decimation: undata: certainly if one accepts that God is external, one would have to consider what which comes from Him and that which does not.
cazalla: actually, misses has a hotmail, i'll go harass her
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asciilifeform: undata, ben_vulpes: aside from the titanic effort involved in using mac for serious work, that machine is far too large and heavy for the kind of bed computing contemplated earlier.
undata: decimation: I consider "god" a barely scrutable term
undata: if things bigger than skulls are conscious, I wouldn't be qualified to comment on them
asciilifeform: undata: the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk << see the crackpot work 'society of mind' by marvin minsky.
asciilifeform: it was largely about this.
undata: asciilifeform: I'm more referring to things like, say you notice in the workplace that you have been for the last year in direct competition with another worker
undata: it seems the mind has plenty of processes running on autopilot which can be mindfully observed, but often aren't
asciilifeform: book was about this.
undata: asciilifeform: this sounds like the thing dennett has said about "pandemonium"
thestringpuller: cazalla: can I write up the scoop?
thestringpuller: mr. editor sir!
undata: asciilifeform: you've never found yourself doing things you never consciously chose to do?
undata: surely there are canonical examples of that happening with the opposite sex
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, i was planning to do so but i checked out my missus account and there is no bitcoin option, maybe not for aus yet
cazalla: i'm not that familiar with it, does this let you buy credits or something thestringpuller ?
cazalla: seems that is for xbox credit whatever the fuck that is
undata: asciilifeform: pretty sure this is the experiment I'm thinking of
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undata: asciilifeform: the idea is that people can be shown to have made a decision before they are capable of reporting that decision to anyone
undata: this mental conversation I have about "yes, pick up the cup and have a sip" happens substantially later than the action to do so is already in motion
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mats: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing. << The conversion of cocaine from productivity aide to party favor has probably been one of the msot damaging transitions of this last hundred years

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