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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.14 = 3.5 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up MacroHard
MacroHard: ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00064145 = 7.1522 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: undata: famous experiment.
asciilifeform: brings to mind whitehead's:
asciilifeform: 'It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly limited
asciilifeform: in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: idle rich << point was, there are still plenty of arbitrarily rich and arbitrarily idle folks. they simply happen to be retarded. afaik - 100% of them, rather than 99 or whatever the historic norm was.
asciilifeform: or not 100, but the epsilon remnant are 'idle' in the economic sense but fighting guerilla war of one kind or another and can't really afford cultural largesse
thestringpuller: Ryan X. Charles: "I discovered bitcoin on May 13, 2011 and never recovered. After developing a reputation as the bitcoin guy at the physics department, I eventually quit my physics PhD program and went full-time bitcoin. I worked for the best bitcoin company in the world, BitPay"
thestringpuller: he goes on to say: " If I had written bitcoin, it would have been in javascript."
thestringpuller: Like what the actual fuck?
asciilifeform: trololol
thestringpuller: You can't make this shit up.
thestringpuller: reddit's cyrptocurrency "engineer"
thestringpuller: if you can even call that engineering
undata: underabundance of shame these days
undata: where is the embarassment
thestringpuller: d00d and people are eating it up!!!!
thestringpuller: "I wish Bitcoin was written in JS, I'd be able to understand it a bit better."
asciilifeform: it is a profound tragedy that these 'people' ever saw a computer.
asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork.
undata: "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. Node.js is a powerful tool for specific applications and you no longer need to know 2 languages if you go the full JS stack." << I call this single-step reasoning. It's everywhere.
asciilifeform: !s deskilling
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork. << but isn't this how ignorant mobs form? as much as I like a pitchfork mob....
asciilifeform: point is, they should be breaking their backs for their daily bread.
asciilifeform: literally.
undata: I'd accept that given some decent mechanism for outliers to escape that circumstance.
asciilifeform: escapees - escape.
asciilifeform: even from russian prison. even from modern usa.
thestringpuller: well at least you can bribe the guards in a russian prison
thestringpuller: they seem more "reasonable"
asciilifeform: newton did not have to bribe any guards to escape from agriculture.
asciilifeform: but today he would probably be inextricably imprisoned in reddit or, worse, anglo academe.
thestringpuller: imprisoned in reddit how?
thestringpuller: you make it sound like Yishan Wong would kidnap him.
asciilifeform: psychological prison.
asciilifeform: the nearly escape-proof kind.
undata: don't know... my mother was single raising me for part of my early childhood
undata: sounds like a person headed for serfdom under this scenario
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thestringpuller: well someone who is going to exclaim nonsense about JS being useful to "understand code" should be stuffed in the bowels of some buildings as a serf
undata: being poor is enough
asciilifeform: other thing is, these people only exist as merely one symptom of a long series of catastrophes
asciilifeform: what is to be done with them is a question not for you and i, but, in all likelihood, for the chinese ministry of biodiesel
thestringpuller: this is why chinese people send their children to america
thestringpuller: "you won't make it in china, you too dumb, we send you to american high school come back as adult, bye bye"
asciilifeform: why did british nobles send their children to india?
thestringpuller: for meritwashing I presume?
asciilifeform: cheap fellatio, practice at management, breathing room
asciilifeform: well-documented.
thestringpuller: interesting.
thestringpuller: American Schools are easier to pass through for children of stricter education systems.
asciilifeform: (see also orwell's essay re: how the telegraph was the ultimate doom of british empire)
thestringpuller: The ones that brand you a fuck-up if you don't pass "the entrance exam" of which you only have on opportunity to pass.
undata: this serfdom thing doesn't sound any better than what the man behind the curtain has produced in the garden-variety american derp
asciilifeform: difference is that the agricultural serf is not a burden upon his betters.
undata: ah, that's the aim
asciilifeform: i will add that agricultural slavery is an optimistic scenario for the folks in question.
thestringpuller: Also American Derp is not hardworking, or truly values hardwork. The serf likely does (imo at least).
thestringpuller: They glorify antics from sitcoms such as "Workaholics" finding ways to be lazy but still get by.
asciilifeform: the more realistic fate is butugychag.
thestringpuller: What is that term, "Manboy/Manchild"?
asciilifeform: !s butugychag
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undata: thestringpuller: it's the experience of starting with nothing and struggling ahead that makes an adult
asciilifeform: soviet prison camp where uranium was mined.
undata: so, poverty, but not serfdom
asciilifeform: typical life expectancy: 3 mo.
thestringpuller: undata: but this isn't the only factor. unimpoverished children can still amount to hardworking individuals, just with different contexts.
thestringpuller: sure you don't sling crack to get lunch money, but you hustle in other scenarios
undata: thestringpuller: I'd think it wise to at least demo the poor life for them
thestringpuller: i.e. prince and the pauper?
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thestringpuller: or rather undercover billionaire?
thestringpuller: brutal: "Witnesses of the camp state that the camp took the life of some 380,000 people in the 10 years of its existence. Most notable about the camp is the fact that uranium mining was conducted here manually without any protective gear whatsoever. The average miner's life span lasted only months here"
asciilifeform: this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks.
undata: thestringpuller: the pattern in my family (at least for the first male kid) has been to impress upon them the value and necessity of hard work, and then to drop them into the world to fend for themselves at the appropriate time
asciilifeform: not for the crime of being dull, but for militant stupidity and the active poisoning of all that was ever good and bright.
thestringpuller: ^- exactly!
thestringpuller: some derps actively take away from the well being of others
thestringpuller: almost like dropping the IQ of their peers by merely existing
asciilifeform: extermination is far too kind a fate for them.
asciilifeform: !s zoolag
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undata: I can't think of an instance in history where blunt instruments such as these were wielded effectively.
asciilifeform: nothing 'in history' ever really happens 'effectively'
asciilifeform: or with sharp instruments.
ben_vulpes: what is there to explain about turbulence?!
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? << the early modern period had ample supply of this particular type. literally, idle.
ben_vulpes: at some scales and without some simplifying assumptions you just need a universe to model a universe!
ben_vulpes: what is so damn hard to grasp about this
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in that spirit, e.g., a physicist -never- gets to utter the phrase 'you need a universe to model this'
asciilifeform: when he utters it, we are to understand that he is ready for the biodiesel retirement pot
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> You can't make this shit up. << word.
mircea_popescu: but at least the derp dept moved from "blockchain technology" to "bitcoin technology".
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but you do, dammit
ben_vulpes: and what about that portland lawyer whose fingerprints appeared miraculously at the scene?!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it doesn't even matter if you do. if you're bothering to think about the subject, your job is to assume that the job is doable and try - forever
mircea_popescu waves at all the idiots reading here, imagining that was never written, and one can just steal the octopus' suckers to put onhis own fingers.
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mircea_popescu: undata> "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. << "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" being the reason.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's one hell of an assumption, that the task is doable.
undata protests at where that quote was clipped!
undata: a quote of a quote I swear
ben_vulpes: "build me a space elevator from materials available today."
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure its quoteness carries.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: understand correctly. actual 'impossibility proofs' - are valuable. (consider laws of thermodynamics; or, more fundamentally, mathematical concepts - e.g., irrationality of sqrt(2))
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but anything which merely appears impossibly difficult, rather than provable waste of time, is a matter for folks who think it worth trying
ben_vulpes: those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, attempt above proof
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" << this is good critera for sending derps off to asciilifeform derper's retirement camp.
ben_vulpes: i am but a mere engineer.
ben_vulpes: and a poor one at that.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all this geographic arrangement. a bitcoin island, a derp camp...
mircea_popescu: can't they just stick to reddit, wikipedia et all ?
asciilifeform: retirement pot.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks. << liek the ppl that want everything to be lisp ? :D
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the cancer must be excised and disposed. Although it may be in remission...
asciilifeform: !s lisp brick
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eh let it excise itself. why should i do the work for people i don't even like.
mircea_popescu: beating the women i love is more work than i feel like as it is.
ben_vulpes: he loves!
ben_vulpes: my world is shaken
mircea_popescu: srsly ?! this is somehow a surprise !?
ben_vulpes: you're supposed to be a moster.
ben_vulpes: an unfeeling, joy-crushing monster.
mircea_popescu: oh really ?
thestringpuller: MP doesn't like it when people have fun.
thestringpuller: He is a grumpy old man!
ben_vulpes: write everything in php!
asciilifeform: the concept of joyous, exuberant monster being too terrifying for the retirement pot candidates, naturally
mircea_popescu: sucks to be me i guess.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba
asciilifeform: mr mold's fnargl.
undata: ho ho ho
asciilifeform: and his thousand-year fnarg.
asciilifeform: ;;google thousand year fnarg
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mircea_popescu: this just took a turn for the weird - erryone discussing me in terms im unfamiliar with
ben_vulpes: herr mircea cannot handle
ben_vulpes: bring in the social justice police, this society is out of hand
thestringpuller: troll level: professional
mircea_popescu: + i accidentally sent asciilifeform's line about 2nd code and pots to some chick i'm talking with on the side. she's new and was just probing as to what's in principle required of new chicks.
mircea_popescu: silence fell upon that land.
asciilifeform falls down with l0l
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fluffypony: ben_vulpes: monetas?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Your monero thing
fluffypony: oh, yes
mats: ;;ticker
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Expln in deets pls.
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fluffypony: sure, it's a cryptocurrency, not based on the Bitcoin source, no GUI at present
fluffypony: transactions are cryptographically untraceable and unlinkable
fluffypony: "mixing" is done on inputs for a tx only, based on denominations of ^10, and inputs are mixed with previously unspent inputs
fluffypony: via ring signatures (group signatures)
fluffypony: at the moment no minimum mixin level is enforced, so ostensibly an output in the utxoset can actually be spent at some point with a mixin of 0, and thus is *actually* spent
BingoBoingo: Eh, what's the differences. The interesting stuff? I'm fighting a generic winter illness and slowly realizing a bottle of cold medicine is supposed to contain multiple doses.
fluffypony: it depends on what your interest is
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fluffypony: if you're interested in the cryptography of it
fluffypony: or the software architecture we're building out
fluffypony: or whatever
BingoBoingo: What's tortilla's interest?
fluffypony: he's one of my fellow core team members
fluffypony: so his interest is intrinsic and complete :)
BingoBoingo: Oh that's right, you saw the castle
fluffypony: that was before Risto had any interest in Monero
BingoBoingo: I know
BingoBoingo: I just like the idea of castles, like mudkips
BingoBoingo: I mean castles are basically the motorola 68k of fortifications
fluffypony: well anyway, the cryptography interests me most of all, and there's some cool stuff we're doing
fluffypony: and some nice research on that side of things:
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony so can one buy it ?
fluffypony: on that note, breakfast time, bbiab
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes
fluffypony: poloniex has the highest volume
mircea_popescu: what % of total monetarymass does 1 btc buy one ?
fluffypony: of the current number of coins?
fluffypony: oh you said total
fluffypony: we have infinite tail emission, the block reward value of which hasn't been set as yet
fluffypony: so there isn't a total
mircea_popescu: << that poloniex thing looks trustworthy as all fuck o.O
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mircea_popescu: did they just lose their wallets 3x or something ?
BingoBoingo: Poloniex I always assumed was polonium
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so from a purely business pov, why would i give this thing a 2nd thought ? what exactly can my 1 btc buy me and how ?
fluffypony: well the current price is 0.00109 to the BTC, and there are just over 5 mil coins at the moment
fluffypony: from a business PoV it's unlikely to be a good investment unless you're happy to hold it for several years
mircea_popescu: yeah but it can get diluted infinitely.
mircea_popescu: well no, so far i gather the contrary : i'm guaranteed to not see any mid or longm term return
mircea_popescu: it may make sense if i won't hold it overnight sorta thing
fluffypony: yup it's designed to be slightly inflationary not deflationary
BingoBoingo: No point in it unless there's a cap
fluffypony: so any growth comes from utility and not from a deflationary nature
mircea_popescu: but basically any growth won't come to me. so i won't build on it.
mircea_popescu: and why would anyone else then ?
fluffypony: same reason people build on top of i2p or Tor
mircea_popescu: which we don't...
fluffypony: anyway breakfast for real noa, bbiab :)
BingoBoingo: If you are going to darknet what's wrong with old style turtle routing?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe It's the robitussin, but without a hard cap on supply how do we break the "new" world
mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it gotta somehow make business sense. and the problem is, if it doesn't make it for me it doesn't make it in general, because what exact particular assumptions got baked in ? nothing much. if there isn't a good answer to "so what's my btc buy me" other than handwave, there's probably no better answer to "what's your time buy you" other than, whatever, "playing a mmorpg".
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, i just spent a coupla hours derping in eulora myself. jus as long as it's not coming as a surprise later.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at crazy shit ranch : "I am a twenty-year old sub living with my dom in Sask in a 24/7 D/s relationship. For the past two years I have been training as a sub and saving money for school. In the summer I will be relocating to Toronto for college in the fall. My Sir will find a Dom for me there with the hopes of finding me someone to stay with while I study. In exchange I will serve him as his slave for
mircea_popescu: the years I spend in Toronto."
mircea_popescu: canadian govt srsly has to do some liquidity injections o.O
BingoBoingo: I think pete_dushenski is out lobbyist up there
adlai: mircea_popescu: do you seriously think that selling "a few coins" into an altcoin will buy you more than a handwave?
mircea_popescu: i dun think i understand what you're asking here.
adlai: treating it as a whalerpg where you take turns playing bull and bear is another story
adlai: i'm just being scoffy at the prospect that an altcoin offers tangible benefits beyond, say, speculating on the coin's value without actually holding any
mircea_popescu: well, if your view is correct then all altcoins are essentialy the logo.
mircea_popescu: i don't think he'd agree.
adlai: for a coin to offer more than just a speculation game, it needs to have some chance of outperforming btc
adlai: for example, this monero thing... let's say the tech is remarkably successful, and as this becomes evident, the value grows TENFOLD
adlai: so we now have a 10mil market cap
adlai: and the amazing tech gets copied by btc
adlai: and then the guys who bagheld xmr through the great bear market of 2014 all take a group dump on the people who bought non-scarce goods
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adlai: anybody trading on mpex want to try scalpl?
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adlai is curious how it'd fare on s.mpoe
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adlai: ok that's enough. next time i bring up scalpl not in response to somebody else, please !down me
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mircea_popescu: adlai that wasn't the most organised argument i ever read :p
adlai: which one, the one against long-term investments in altcoins?
adlai: it's hard to organize an argument against nobody. kinda like planning an invasion without a map.
mircea_popescu: i dun think "invesing in altcoin" generally was being contemplated.
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 07:19:05; mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
adlai: if i were to specifically attack that, i'd start from the assumption that a cogent and together person necessarily occupies their time in an activity which lends itself to monetary investment
adlai: plenty of cogent and together people dedicate their time to charity, but it's not a terribly rewarding investment
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
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mircea_popescu: guy's been around for a while wut.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: could the airgap concept of the cardano be applied to storage?
thestringpuller: i know that's somewhat random...
mircea_popescu: why not ?
thestringpuller: i was thinking of the scenario of having to absolutely read an encrypted memo but only have a potentially compromised/malicious system available
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BingoBoingo: If a system is compromised it's compromised
mircea_popescu: seems airgap means you're not touching some other system neh.
thestringpuller: or in the sense it is non-trivial to remove data from the device
thestringpuller: more in the sense*
mircea_popescu: how did the memo end up in there then.
thestringpuller: so lets say the system in use is not a secure viewer, but a device is available (some mobile thingy of some sort), that is a secure viewer, but is unable to do heavy lifting. just reads from drive and displays it. so the use case I imagine is someone is sent important "please read now" encrypted memo to some dude who is boarding a flight. he uses one of the surely compromised internet cafe computers and his hand caradno to decr
mircea_popescu: it'd decript somethinmg you got off a pastebin for you, but obviously it can't guarantee the computer you're on won't read your memo too
mircea_popescu: just that it won't be able to steal your keys
thestringpuller: exactly, so I was envisioning a device that can i/o securely from output of cardano
thestringpuller: in the way key on cardano is nontrivial to remove
thestringpuller: same with data on this device that stores output from decryption
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
BingoBoingo: I think you two are talking about different devices
thestringpuller: well i guess I'm thinking of combining cardano with 2nd device
thestringpuller: place to store output
thestringpuller: for situations arising "in the field"
mircea_popescu: the storing isnot the problem. how'd you read it ?
punkman: thestringpuller wants a screen on the cardano
thestringpuller: That could be a solution!
thestringpuller: punkman has the right idea!
punkman: or a tiny laptop thingy
undata: there are many simple text-output LCDs
undata: however anything like that becomes another point to siphon data off the thing if you derp using it
mircea_popescu: real programmers just sense the bits.
mircea_popescu: screens are for weaklings!
thestringpuller: that's another option have little magnets implanted in finger tips
thestringpuller: cardano has little interface
thestringpuller: why not just have plug directly into skull
punkman: you could make a tactile morse generator
mircea_popescu: or a dildo.
mircea_popescu: feel the morse.
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ? << good night's sleep and not busy today, shall make progress
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it. << sewage is good for tea?
mircea_popescu: for the field.
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punkman: saw this recently, about making fertilizer from NY sewage
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punkman: not sure I'd want my tomatos fed on human shit
mircea_popescu: what do you think the earth is if not hardpacked, ancient sewage.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Fine baby the tomatoes, but what about the sweet corn
punkman: I mean humanure is fine, if you are in the wot
punkman: but I don't want NY sewage
mircea_popescu: humanure, where humint goes to die.
BingoBoingo: humanure isn't a thing
BingoBoingo: It's night soil and it grows rice.
BingoBoingo: Ship it to the deep south.
BingoBoingo: Isn't that what the civil war was over?
BingoBoingo: !up Curious_George
BingoBoingo: Hello Curious_George
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: Is the robitussin bottle really not supposed to be a single serving?
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BingoBoingo: Fucking CYP2D6 again
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fluffypony: adlai: the problem is that the "amazing tech" can't easily be copied by BTC - although I'd agree fully on that being applicable to altcoins based off of the Bitcoin codebase. the problem isn't so much the code, it's that the stealth addresses + ring signatures are such a radical departure that Bitcoin would (obviously) have to hardfork to an address format that is completely different to their current one (since it requires 2x 256-bit
fluffypony: pubkeys) thus breaking compatibility with every existing application, and then enforce the standard for some time before the utxoset is sufficiently large to allow for a measurable level of privacy (see MRL-0001 on as to why this is true)
fluffypony: to get back to the previous convo, though - it isn't an "investment", nor has it been pitched as such
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i dun think his idea is directly applicable (stolen by btc), but nevertheless, someone with a better business value proposition can just fork your code.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's like saying someone with a better business value proposition can just fork BTC
fluffypony: the network effect of BTC works against that
mircea_popescu: but only for btc.
fluffypony: maybe it's best to think of Monero as something like Freicoin - an experiment in creating something usable and useful
fluffypony: and if it fails it doesn't matter, we're not trying to build a business, we're advancing technology
mircea_popescu: so you are in the endsaying this is more of a hobby than serious.
adlai: fluffypony: blockstream is a for-profit company in order to steal your lunch
mircea_popescu: adlai i doubt it'd be his lunch.
adlai: it's a metaphor :)
mircea_popescu: guy pretty much said hedun expect to eat off it.
adlai: i don't mean it in that sense, i mean that their goal is to make innovations in other chains accessible to the bitcoin asset
adlai: and the "your" referred to all these projects, not just fluffypony
mircea_popescu: innovation is nonblocking.
fluffypony: but that also means that the altcoin is indelibly linked to Bitcoin's value
fluffypony: the economic hinge makes sidechaining unpalatable for us
fluffypony: but I do applaud the effort if it'll make shit like Jackpotcoin irrelevant
mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00067111 = 12.2478 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this is a fact and it's not going away except in fiction.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I agree, but what I mean is that a sidechain can't have a direct USD market, for instance, it will always have to go via Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: perhaps. then again this may be a rather short term concern you see.
fluffypony: most altcoins are scams anyway
fluffypony: either outrightly or through blind ignorance
fluffypony: oh cute, Bryce Weenie blocked me on Twitter
fluffypony: I guess he didn't like being called idiotic:
assbot: Those derps… RT /BryceWeiner: / published private keys.
mircea_popescu: trying to recall who that is.
fluffypony: he's the guy that keeps getting "interviewed" by Seaman
mircea_popescu: oh i recall the derp. i think i told him off back when i was on twitter.
fluffypony: yeah, he keeps promoting shitcoins like Nautiluscoin
fluffypony: the one with the "stabilization fund"
fluffypony: which clearly didn't stabilise anything
mircea_popescu: well, neither did the various stabilisation funds irl lol.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is alright. The coinfire account on twitter blocked both myself and cazalla that one time we made a blog even though... Eventually we may want to hire their meat.
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me waits patiently for fluffypony to be done with playing and start srs bzns.
fluffypony: I've got stuff I'm building on the business side
BingoBoingo waits for the scorpions to shrink again, fuck you robitussin cold and flu
fluffypony: when I have something cool to show I will :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00064969 = 19.1659 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: now /me waits patiently for the home videos of fluffyfamily.
fluffypony: ooh la la
punkman: fluffypony: what happened to that prospectus
fluffypony: punkman: which one?
punkman: vaguely remember one when you first joined
fluffypony: oh yes - I decided to fund it myself
fluffypony: had a bit of a false start on one of the projects, shitty resources, so that's just picked up again as of a few weeks ago
punkman: what was it about?
fluffypony: that particular one is a payment processor
fluffypony: omg it's rithm everyone hide
BingoBoingo: !up rithm
BingoBoingo: rithm: Why does the fluffy mare fear you?
fluffypony: rithm: when are you changing back to jcpham?
mircea_popescu: lol fluffymare
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How can we know you aren't the blond wife? Other than if that was the OH SHIT HUGE SPIDER, case certain people would be much more attentive to your equine needs
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: because I'm in a bunch of videos under this nom de plume?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like I am going to totally fire up the AIDS computer to follow every lead
mircea_popescu: lol HE'S REALLY MPOE-PR!11
BingoBoingo watches the latest episode of Ramsey's Hell's Kitchen because better than Robitussin
fluffypony: hanbot is going to be pissed!
BingoBoingo: Or relieved
BingoBoingo: Carrying those tits can't come with zero cost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00063865 = 7.3445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8486 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer33
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38072 @ 0.00063865 = 24.3147 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00067317 = 9.5254 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22674 @ 0.00067687 = 15.3474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1187 @ 0.00124299 = 1.4754 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1220 @ 0.0012 = 1.464 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.0006703 = 14.6461 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00067687 = 16.5833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00067831 = 7.5632 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00065548 = 2.5891 BTC [-]
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective. <<<< o.O
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so. <<< o.0
nubbins`: <+BingoBoingo> The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo! <<< i have a friend prohibited from imbibing for 4 years as part of the punishment for a drug offense
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Do you have the same romantic attachment to 7.65 that I do. It is bond caliber
nubbins`: i remain wholly emotionally unaffected by rationals
nubbins`: 153/20 is no exception!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: cold water is not in fact cold nor water but from our perspective, &c
nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p
BingoBoingo: I am in no fair way other than tripping balls right now. How do robitussin bottles not exist as single serving containgers
BingoBoingo: I mean I punched a spider the size of my head ad the mess was smaller than my knuckle
nubbins`: better put this on
assbot: Let's Celebrate With Blood | Patrick Canning ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00065067 = 6.832 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo kind of regrets promising to tutor his cousin's kids in comp sci
nubbins`: brutal deal
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: They already stole a fucking car
nubbins`: hied your weed
BingoBoingo: I don't have any. Have you not read the sad saga of Normal man???
assbot: A Normal Man Sentenced To 48 Months Prison | ... ( )
BingoBoingo: A followup is happening... once I start punching spider sized spiders in the garage during gicarettes and not cornish game hen sized spiders
BingoBoingo: Spiders always shrink on the knuckles
BingoBoingo: No matter what you dose your flu with
BingoBoingo: They always shrink there
mats: lol...
BingoBoingo: mats: How much do you know about CYP 450???
danielpbarron: heh, i've robotripped a few times
mats: 0
BingoBoingo: I don't get much choice in the matter thanks to my good friend CYP2d6*39*???
BingoBoingo: And yes, *??? is one or several allelles
BingoBoingo: I may need to sand my desk again after this Ill spell thanks to Mr. Fairbairn and Mr. Sykes
BingoBoingo is the boss in the worst video game level
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00063801 = 10.2401 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( )
mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00064571 = 1.2914 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065309 = 7.6085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 13315 @ 0.0012 = 15.978 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00063709 = 8.4096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21699 @ 0.00064564 = 14.0097 BTC [+]
assbot: Fair Information Sharing for Treasure Hunting ... ( )
Naphex: mats: reading that quote just gave me eye cancer
fluffypony: I'm sure he's being sarcastic
Naphex: still
Naphex: very damaging
Naphex: my brain still hurts :))
Naphex: fluffypony: i mean, for real Node & co is like Compatiblity HELL
Naphex: run now & never again
Naphex: - please god don't make me recompile node
fluffypony: my favourite is Ubuntu changing the binary name
fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs"
nubbins`: dat renaming
Naphex: not to talk about all the hellish packages in npm
Naphex: that are mixed with outdated c++ module
Naphex: and insane spachetty javascript
nubbins`: sharepoint renamed a bunch of shit between major revisions, but literally just swapped the names around and kept the api calls, function definitions, class names, etc the same
nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
nubbins`: imagine "using" a platform like that
assbot: insight-api/TransactionDb.js at master · bitpay/insight-api · GitHub ... ( )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00063709 = 1.2742 BTC [-]
mats: i don't think he's kidding based on his comment history
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( )
mats: 'A better way to do physics research is to build a lot of wealth outside of academia, and then fund myself as a scientist. That way I have complete freedom and I'm not facing the crazy competition for government funding. If I can pull it off, that's exactly what I'll do.'
mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
Naphex: mats: "crowdfunding"
Naphex: thats where the plan is at
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00064564 = 3.4219 BTC [+]
Naphex: you need to read between the lines ^^
nubbins`: hey, he did say "a lot of wealth"
Naphex: plus its reddit
danielpbarron: !up ryanxcharles
danielpbarron: have you read the logs? you're name has come up quite a few times
ryanxcharles: i saw people talked about my love of javascript
ryanxcharles: i don't have time to respond at the moment but i'll come back later
danielpbarron: okie doke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00064564 = 11.4924 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ryanxcharles: congrats on having your PR merged :)
ryanxcharles: ha thanks!
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063726 = 14.9119 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: !up qntranet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00064564 = 6.3918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17111 @ 0.00065048 = 11.1304 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits << it costs $maxint. and not for the reasons you may think:
asciilifeform: !s eotvos
assbot: 11 results for 'eotvos' :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00063635 = 10.4361 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: if you want actual physics done again, you probably have to wage ww3 first
asciilifeform: and exterminate the buggers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00063574 = 13.9863 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (if anyone is unclear on why 'i'll bring in a few $b and then do physics with it' is a nonstarter, they must read the eotvos threads.)
mats: int32 or int64?
mats: :(
nubbins`: mats ask mp, no difference
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00063699 = 26.1166 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15656 @ 0.0006332 = 9.9134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1082 @ 0.0012 = 1.2984 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.14 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15730 @ 0.00063894 = 10.0505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34920 @ 0.00064732 = 22.6044 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up ryanxcharles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24806 @ 0.00065658 = 16.2871 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18431 @ 0.00063234 = 11.6547 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00063074 = 25.955 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78688 @ 0.00062352 = 49.0635 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2030 @ 0.0012 = 2.436 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3956 @ 0.0012 = 4.7472 BTC
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, what part contradicts your tender youthful mind ? :D
nubbins`: what is mathematics if not perspective?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55565 @ 0.00064007 = 35.5655 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p << no but it was relevant in context.
nubbins`: well ya know. context is not relevant but from your perspective.
mircea_popescu: the dispute (in typical redditesque retardom) was whether 7 is "less likely" or "more likely" to stad for a nsa-diddled ecdsa curve than 5976928769872976597967965769845 or w/e
nubbins`: oh, well in that case, sure
nubbins`: if we do a fast phone number transform on that second one
mircea_popescu: dude check out the poor entropy in kbd mashing. who knew!
nubbins`: it's going to be a much more number
nubbins`: the other one won't even get you a dialtone
mircea_popescu: mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.' << :D
mircea_popescu: this is so on point i swear.
mircea_popescu: "my cock is the right tool for everything! it can fuck things up, mess them up, screw up and everything else i normally do!"
mats: hey man, he's a cryptocurrency engineer
mircea_popescu: right, because so much crypto work is being done in the least apt language for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: i know whenever i have a large numbers problem i tend to fire up basic too!
mats: poor guy is gonna start here with a buncha criticism
mircea_popescu: yeah well, fortifies the soul of the chosen
mircea_popescu: burns the sould of the unworthy with the fire of a thousand hells + 1 matchstick.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs" <<< bwahahaha you guise, stahp.
mircea_popescu: you can't be fucken serious.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that shit made my ears spin. there's actually people walking the earth that put up with this shit ?
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 14:39:08; nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
assbot: VIM Adventures ... ( )
thestringpuller: i like how mircea_popescu is more cheerful during the holidays
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: for christmas I want my own harem!
mircea_popescu: oh it's a holiday ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller trust me, it's like wanting your own tiger.
thestringpuller: That sounds like a pro rather than a con.
nubbins`: spoken like a man who never read life of pi ;p
thestringpuller: oh nubbins` btw I have moar werk fer ya
thestringpuller: you terk mah old printers jerb
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller exactly my point. it sounds like a pro until the 250kg beast licks you.
nubbins` scampers
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 15:04:03; mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
mircea_popescu: you can coax time on expensive machinery for very little money. what costs is the bezzle support, you know ? most of grant money goes back to university to "pay for" grad students etc.
mircea_popescu: it's just a fictitious money shuffle.
asciilifeform: except when you can't get the time even for maxint.
asciilifeform: (see thread earlier)
mircea_popescu: in most times and places you actually do, in my experience.
thestringpuller: "pay for" grad students? given student loans...
mircea_popescu: i dunno how it goes in the us, but eu folks are more thna happy to oblige, and also because humans are generally lazy most machinery mostly sits idle
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nono, pay the uni for their use.
mircea_popescu: it's dementedly complicated.
thestringpuller: a lot of grad students don't use scholarships, but enrollment programs in exchange for being slaves to businesses
thestringpuller: give business 5 good years, and they pay tuition
mircea_popescu: meanwhile business sells them out like common hos.
mircea_popescu: for grant money the govt pays.
thestringpuller: much more clear.
mircea_popescu: best racket ever, if princeton sold shares in itself it'd obliterate the apple.
thestringpuller: hah princeton has so much money
thestringpuller: they pamper their students tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00064851 = 10.2465 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess. define pamper ?
mircea_popescu: 6 pairs of perky tits chained to bedroom wall ?
thestringpuller: that and students who like to have mental breakdowns, they have shrinks to talk you out of your alcoholism
thestringpuller: or what not
thestringpuller: instead of pamper as the word
thestringpuller: maybe "babysit"? essentially treating the children as children, much babysitting
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
assbot: Support for "nodejs" executable name · Issue #4772 · joyent/node · GitHub ... ( )
assbot: Ubuntu repo "nodejs" require symlink to "node" to use Forever? | DigitalOcean ... ( )
mircea_popescu: bejesus.
mircea_popescu: why do people hate on php again ?
fluffypony: I don't disagree with their decision to call it "nodejs", I think the nodejs developers are the issue - htf do they call the binary "node" when clearly that's a word that may occur on the command-line, being common in computin' circles
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.44, Best ask: 357.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 357.43, 24 hour volume: 15867.32305096, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 353.010435555
thestringpuller: php is ugly
thestringpuller: but it works
mircea_popescu: anyway, my heart goes out to the poor souls stuck working knee deep in this crud because of their idiotic employer.
mircea_popescu: no wonder they're so dissociated they claim to love it.
thestringpuller: i also don't like having to sanitize strings
thestringpuller: how kind of you mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: php is the only server side web tech i've found that integrates with gpg
thestringpuller: except maybe python running inside a tornado container (like coinbr)
fluffypony: django
mircea_popescu: they all do don't they
thestringpuller: node.js gpg implementation is broken tho
thestringpuller: opengpg.js or whatever
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: was there a S.NSA statement for November 2014?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, asciilifeform was late and then got sick so i gave him the benefit of the "once per year, report delayed for a month"
thestringpuller: so double report for December?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't throw out your draft letters! will have to append to them!
thestringpuller: will any news be announced between now and then?
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
thestringpuller: it's cool, just on edge of seat wanting to buy cardano :P
thestringpuller: shut_up_and_take_my_coin.jpg
mircea_popescu: hey, you're not the only one.
mircea_popescu: lettuce poke stan!
Namworld: Campaign is over by the way
Namworld: 619 website clicks
Namworld: Claimed by FB
mircea_popescu: Namworld can you send me a ss or something ? i wanna make an article of it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: at least you are managing demand, reminds me of Tesla having a 15000 car wait list, while producing ~5000 cars a year. Won't have to worry about new customers off the blocks.
assbot: Video | Al Jazeera America ... ( )
mats: i find myself agreeing with john brennan.
thestringpuller: !t m d.cbse
assbot: [MPEX:D.CBSE] 1D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (2 shares, 0.24 BTC), 7D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (12 shares, 1.43 BTC), 30D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (36 shares, 4.30 BTC)
mats: o wait, talking head is just a former station chief
adlai: none of the derps have been consummated yet, right?
mircea_popescu: what's consummatred mean
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how do you figure ?
adlai: contract finished, delisted, paid out if appropriate, etc
thestringpuller: mpex investors are valuing d.cbse market cap at 116k btc which is like 40mn bezzles
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol who is this ?
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 19:42:38; kakobrekla:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00064886 = 20.2769 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you accounting for their recent dillution ?
kakobrekla: your shit.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what dilution? the additional vc?
mircea_popescu: well yes ?
fluffypony: why would you remove the link
kakobrekla: who said i will?
fluffypony: no no I know
fluffypony: but I mean
fluffypony: I don't understand the point of their email
fluffypony: backlinks are good
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was answering thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they wish to be important.
kakobrekla: as far as i know merica has invaded somalia and now we have freedam of spick here so he can fuck off
mircea_popescu: i guess the issue is, their page is now 404 and they don't want you linkign to a 404 page
kakobrekla: oh it is?
kakobrekla: i havent bothered to click
mircea_popescu: fuck them for having 404 pages in the first place, they should fix both their website and the broken process which resulted in this being a problem in the first place.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Should Coinbase make dilutive issuances after July 8, 2014, D.CBSE will be diluted proportionally."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yes from the contract, but what would invoke this clause?
mike_c: kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller didnt they recently get moar investment ?
thestringpuller: that acts as dilution?
mike_c: they haven't raised since a year ago. rumor mill says they are out raising again now.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well it means more shares which means more mkt cap right ?
Namworld: Ah, yeah, let me check
mircea_popescu: mike_c i thought they just had ? or was that bitpay.
assbot: Coinbase | CrunchBase ... ( )
kakobrekla: lol mike_c all you got is they should be slovenians and thats that?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see where the 1/10 comes from then ?
kakobrekla: you know we are actually in europe, not india
mike_c: you're next to madagascar or something, right? (kidding..)
mircea_popescu: !up ansc
ansc: !up
mircea_popescu: ello ansc. who're you ?
ansc: hi. i am just a simple redditard. regular reader and fan of trilema though.
mike_c: what I heard was that there were a bunch of reliable firms in eastern europe, with ukraine and slovenia being mentioned explicitly. and ukraine seems risky choice these days.
ansc: i am here to ask a small favour
mircea_popescu: lol welcome then.
mircea_popescu: ask away.
mike_c: I thought you might know some people in your irl wot from the area.
ansc: mp you once wrote 'thee is only one thing that matters today: bitcoin' or something similar
ansc: which is, as everything you write, a very true if somewhat hyperbolic assessment of the present state of the union.
kakobrekla: mike_c ill ask see what comes up.
mike_c: thx
Namworld: Report by age group, not sure if you wanted something else:
mircea_popescu: Namworld i have no idea how their stats look, so this is as good as anything.
mircea_popescu: tyvm for indulging me.
Namworld: There's an infinite number of stats and types of reports and what not.
ansc: could you pls elaborate a little on that thought?
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 09:10:20; mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the subiacent point there, perhaps unapparent, is that every human construct fundamentally relies on truth to be recognisable as such.
mircea_popescu: things that are completely independent are by that very fact also completely hermetic. like the ravings of the insane.
mircea_popescu: now, bitcoin happens to have a priviledged relationship with truth
mircea_popescu: and for this reason, it will necessarily enjoy a priviledged relationship with all things of import.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, fiction in those parts where it's hermetic, and otherwise insanity.
ansc: that is all fine and such. anything that human beings not destined for freedom could relate to? (referring to one of your latest blog posts)
mircea_popescu: reference's lost on me lol, but hm. what do you mean relate ?
ansc: frankly, my fellow subhumans would not remotely be able to indulge in your previously published comments.
mircea_popescu: like, say, the price of oil bends your future irrespective of who you are. do you call this relating to oil ?
mircea_popescu: whether you know or not how exactly, gravity still works.
mircea_popescu: we don't really happen to know atm how the fuck.
ansc: mp you recently wrote about the two kinds of ppl: freedom attaining and not. on trilema.
ansc: struck me as a fundamental truthy
ansc: looked but didn't find. it was your thought anyway LOL
ansc: explains a lot about our 'democracy' and such
ansc: struck me as a genius insight
rithm: mircea_popescu such genius, super genius actually
mircea_popescu: super super.
rithm: that's gotta be mensa >9000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00064584 = 8.4192 BTC [-] {2}
ansc: well flattering here and there.. that's not the point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23264 @ 0.00062572 = 14.5568 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC
TomServo: !up ansc
TomServo: ansc: What is the point?
fluffypony: rithm: I herd it waz eyensteyen level
rithm: fluffypony talk dirty black holes to me
ansc: in our current system, one man one vote, how can we ever escape communism, other than by a collapse of the currency?
fluffypony: rithm: a black labrador wipes it's bum on a dirty patch of grass
rithm: ahhh wormholes
ansc: fluffypony: its
mircea_popescu: ansc communism is in teh head :D
fluffypony: ansc: it was a dirty sentence
rithm: i'd agree communism is a social construct and a matter or perception, sure
ansc: right
rithm: *of
ansc: i am so scared bc i don't see a peaceful exit from the current communist idiotic system
kakobrekla: >The Pirate Bay goes offline after police raid server room
kakobrekla: here we go again
mircea_popescu: the peaceful exists are the monopoly of they willing to travel.
mircea_popescu: i kinda enjoyed their taunting letters up until 2010 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: great mine canary that. you knew that once that ended, there shall be war.
ansc: ok but travel where to? how is argentina in that respect e.g.?
mircea_popescu: argentina is amusing. it has a very socialist-populist government that is very inept, and a large population hell bent on ignoring it
mircea_popescu: and everything that to you might pass for business sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00063823 = 18.5087 BTC [+]
ansc: but it shows that the common man is willing to ebdure idiocy on a vast timescale that exceeds our patience by orders of magnitude
rithm: i like boobies tho
mircea_popescu: what's "the common man" care about these things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get an idea of this crazy : every time you go into a shop of any kind, you have a 50-50 chance for the sales person to try to provide what you're asking for OR to try and convince you not to buy anything.
ansc: well if idiocy prevails, there is no hope for mankind. does the common man not shape history?
mircea_popescu: because they can't be arsed to stand up, get off the phone, think about it...
mircea_popescu: the common man shapes his boogers.
ansc: haha ok righto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00062252 = 4.4199 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;isup
gribble: is up
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 907 @ 0.0012 = 1.0884 BTC
kakobrekla: i guess im ignorant like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @ 0.00062252 = 5.3138 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: to try and convince you not to buy anything << why?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92900 @ 0.00061581 = 57.2087 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: .scoop
mircea_popescu: hm how did that go.
TomServo: scoopbot -fetch
TomServo: i think?
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
TomServo: sans, or pm -fetch
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
TomServo shrugs.
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 04:47:20; PeterL: now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop
assbot: BBC News - Man charged in London 'slavery' inquiry ... ( )
adlai: holy fuck. bitfinex are not just derpier than imagined, they're derpier than it is possible to imagine
kakobrekla: what now?
adlai: their API fails to verify messages 240 characters and longer
kakobrekla: maybe you are talking to twitter?
adlai: maybe i need to throw their endpoint servers through a plate glass window
kakobrekla: are you trying to hook up scalpl to that ?
adlai: scalpl already talks to bitfinex, but i hadn't tried placing hidden orders before
adlai: but "\"is_hidden\":true," pushes the length of SOME messages over 240 characters
adlai: so some orders got placed. some didn't. teeth were gnashed.
adlai thinks back to when he first connected scalpl to bitfinex, and found that "signature = HMAC-SHA384(payload, api-secret) as hexadecimal" apparently also means to zero pad it to 96 bytes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00063885 = 10.0619 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Amazon item Q&A that you'll enjoy -
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (article) 'But this is no sort of economic activity, it's just an elaborate waste, of everything. The participants could all be dead for all it'd matter to anyone...' << obligatory >>
mircea_popescu: something like that yea
danielpbarron: !up ryanxcharles
mircea_popescu: !isup
mircea_popescu: ;;isup
gribble: is up
mircea_popescu: like hell it is.
kakobrekla: up here
mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: nm finally.
ryanxcharles: hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points
mircea_popescu: "personally" ?
ryanxcharles: this is why javascript is the best programming language for any task
kakobrekla: asciilifeform someone is writing graffiti on ba walls
assbot: Login Signup ... ( )
mircea_popescu: not here. and who the fuck came up with that url scheme i wish to know.
BingoBoingo: <ryanxcharles> hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points << Am I still tripping?
mircea_popescu: "and all coders should be tripping"
mats: we are all tripping
Naphex: is it just tasks?
Naphex: or software?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wai wat ?
mats: guy doesn't read assbot PMs apparently
kakobrekla: ah nvm
adlai: is it software or are we dancer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22242 @ 0.00061519 = 13.6831 BTC [-]
assbot: Congress Quietly Bolsters NSA Spying in Intelligence Bill - ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00060267 = 20.1292 BTC [-] {3}
mats: nice. doesn't take a fed to own me anymore.
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol
asciilifeform: implicit message: 'there were only a few torturers! and they've retired! go back to sleep'
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Mar 2015 to drop under $50 before Feb 2015 " Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.775 BTC. Current weight: 95,265.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00061498 = 20.4481 BTC [+] {2}
mats: >> "The Secretary of State shall ensure that ... every supervisory position at a United States diplomatic facility in the Russian Federation shall be occupied by a citizen of the United States'
mats: 'Each United States diplomatic facility that [is in] ... the Russian Federation, or any country that is a former member of the Soviet Union shall be constructed to include a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.'
mats scratches head
asciilifeform: afaik this is ancient statute
mats: i'm wondering why this is even in the bill.
mats: these are things that should be done already.
asciilifeform: mega-lulz in section 312.
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 21:57:45; mircea_popescu: "mr devektorovskyi, what are we to do then ?"
mats: 'the President should establish and maintain an intelligence and law enforcement cooperation scorecard with metrics designed to measure the number of instances that intelligence and law enforcement agencies in the United States require assistance from intelligence and law enforcement agencies in Ukraine'
mats: write summaries for us, we can't be bothered to read all these danged reports you know!
asciilifeform: 'describe the actions the United States is taking to support implementation of the recommendations of the United Nations Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, including the eventual establishment of a tribunal to hold individuals accountable for abuses' << sovereignty, what's that
asciilifeform: only usa - sovereign
asciilifeform: derpschland uber alles!
asciilifeform: 'a report on the threat posed by man-made electromagnetic pulse weapons to United States interests through 2025, including threats from foreign countries...' >> easy:
asciilifeform: let them hire a translator:
asciilifeform: ^ text descibes not only what is physically-possible on the subject, but the author's struggles to convince management that it is entirely infeasible to set up a nuke-style 'emp' using anything other than a nuke
asciilifeform: (in the case of the latter, charged particles circulate in the van allen belts, turning it into a gigantic electromagnet)
asciilifeform: emp arms powered by chemical explosives are 'sexy', suck in grant money like nothing else, even deployed (!) by usa in gulf war 1 - taking a tv broadcast antenna out of action for a few hours (they had to change an amp)
asciilifeform: one wag asked why they did not drop an ordinary bomb, with same amount of trotyl as the emp vircator bomb, on the station
asciilifeform: taking it out - permanently
asciilifeform: he was not promoted.
asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
asciilifeform: because 'humane! destroy only his machines!' or something.
asciilifeform: dr p (author of linked book) did design a tank shell, marketed as 'atropus', that zaps electronics of victim - but, at point blank range! idea is that tank inevitably has exposed antennae, regardless of what kind of armour it has
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00060449 = 20.3411 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2014 06:27:42; asciilifeform: and picture 100% of the chemical energy converted into a radio emission of whichever type you prefer.
mats: my mind implodes at the number of stupid things in this bill.
BingoBoingo: mats: Feel like submitting a write up of the damage to qntra?
mats: no, sorry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12167 @ 0.00059185 = 7.201 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and if you're going to, wait for the fuhrer to rubber-stamp it. as i understand, they can still screw with the contents until this is done.
mircea_popescu: anyone want ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ud dfw
gribble: | dfw. Down For Whatever ... as in... I totally want to hang with you and I am interested in doing anything cool. Emphasis on being psyched to chill and hang out.
mthreat: ;;ud dtf
gribble: | DOWN TO GET THAT DICK DTFNE1 down to fuck any 1. She's DTF, She wants my dick in or around her mouth! - SuperBad. by KENDALL L January 01, 2008.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 20737 @ 0.00037405 = 7.7567 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: #GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Oh noes Sony was the reddit police all along
assbot: Sony Is Disrupting Downloads of its Hacked Files ... ( )
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the most pathetic thing ever.
asciilifeform: SOP actually
asciilifeform: there are entire firms who specialize in 'legit' ddos
BingoBoingo: Sony's prolly going to get party vanned for using LOIC
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00060333 = 50.9814 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: yeah ? i wanna see this sony license.
BingoBoingo: Jupiter is going to be pissed he was just compared to Sony
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @ 0.00061707 = 12.4111 BTC [+]
assbot: Open WhisperSystems >> Blog >> Advanced cryptographic ratcheting ... ( )
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu stepped into #dogecoin for a moment.
mircea_popescu: now my hdd is getting raped at the rate of 1mb of nonsense/minute
assbot: #GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars ... ( )
mircea_popescu: yeah was here before.
mircea_popescu: apparently the libtards lose again.
mircea_popescu: somehow asciilifeform still believes they're running things tho :D
mats: we all got fringe opinions
mircea_popescu: hehe i guess we do yeah.
cazalla: is the guy's blog where he writes about his wife and his decision to swing which resulted in her fucking and him watching
assbot: Share The Zing ... ( )
mats: i've read about this phenomenon in here...
cazalla: so basically, his wife fucked him, mtgox fucked him and then big daddy USG came and fucked him one last time for good measure
assbot: 3 Days of Watching my Wife Fuck - Loving Wives - ... ( )
cazalla: mats, yeah, lots of it on trilema along with tyrone fantasies
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, those stories are more for women than men?
cazalla: i might be inclined to read a story/book after the act, but not before
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
cazalla: in that romance novels are more of a thing for women
mircea_popescu: mebbe so.
xanthyos is cloaked :)
mircea_popescu: i tihnk the guy gave up.
cazalla: xanthyos, dagger still broken?
xanthyos: work in progress
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.0005966 = 21.6864 BTC [-] {3}
mats: what a depressing blog
cazalla: mats, prob why he took a plea, just ready to lay down and die
mats: hes finally ready to meet a nice man
mats: i'm getting a 502 on qntra
cazalla: ddos might be back, was loading slow for me earlier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00059548 = 22.8962 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1177 @ 0.0012 = 1.4124 BTC
asciilifeform: somehow asciilifeform still believes they're running things tho << ahaha lol, which 'they.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.0005931 = 11.276 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: << love how you're leaning into your own profile pic
assbot: Those derps… RT /BryceWeiner: / published private keys.
ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> that particular one is a payment processor << what happened to the mining rig rack fab operating out of africa?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5862 @ 0.00061492 = 3.6047 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> heh, i've robotripped a few times << danielpbarron you are delightfully eccentric
mats: robotripping is filthy
mats: a 'poor man's trip' if you will
ben_vulpes: see also: salvia
ben_vulpes: "coward's trip" when i was a teen.
BingoBoingo: It's an awful hangover.
ben_vulpes: <mats> afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits << if not twelve.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18192 @ 0.00059192 = 10.7682 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: rockets are ~9.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see eotvos thread. it isn't a matter of price tag.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the folks spending the 12 are charlatans.
ben_vulpes: roundaboutly saying that one can't buy legitimacy from the entrenched idiots.
ben_vulpes: a) their ask is too high and b) they don't sell legitimacy.
ben_vulpes: rockets at least - either go into orbit or not.
ben_vulpes fired up the 52" tv on loan from a client today
ben_vulpes: just to loop CATO videos
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: today, only mars, god of war, is selling legitimacy.
asciilifeform: installment plan.
ben_vulpes: i've given up on rockets.
ben_vulpes: i'll be satisfied to slave for mars building agile jet-ruiners and ghetto turrets
ben_vulpes: king of this continent isn't worth the piss in my urethra much less the fruit of my loins.
mats: so subversive
ben_vulpes: this, from the infantryman.
mats: sapper, actually.
mats: trained at leonard wood, not benning
ben_vulpes: hah you don't say
mats: not as interesting as it sounds
BingoBoingo: At least mats hasn't err'd yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26613 @ 0.00061216 = 16.2914 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: he's a sapper though. implicitly - err'd once.
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods? << perhaps consider my humble app factory
mats: i sweat balls for 16 weeks in MO, and unlucky enough to end up in a unit that just returned from a rotation into hell
ben_vulpes: mike_c: we're masters of the bezzletronic arts of quality app authorship
mats: never got to take the fight to the enemy. a real sadness in my life
ben_vulpes: what enemy lol
mats: its all relative
BingoBoingo: Here's a secret about Missouri.... The weather never has a pleasant season.
mats: i could've lived with having fought against men with guns
mats: i'm a simple guy with simple rules
mats: moral ambiguity is for other people.
mats: my hands are clean, but not because i was unwilling to bloody them
ben_vulpes: well you're here now.
mats: now i'm just another dude that sits down all day and talks at computers
mats: funny how that happens?
ben_vulpes: ;;rate mats 1 first best grandest sapper of la serenissima
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
ben_vulpes: ah get fucked gribble
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0e038a622e6f3b912336a9eae37bf66a22cf0397410a29f5a410e5d9
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;rate mats 1 first best grandest sapper of la serenissima
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mats has changed from 1 to 1.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sappe only gets to err once, because after Erring there is no more sapper
ben_vulpes: some say the sapper errs twice
ben_vulpes: first, in choice of career.
mats returns to burying face in case law
BingoBoingo: !up ryanxcharles
ben_vulpes: the ecmaboi's back!
ben_vulpes: ryanxcharles: come on buddhi be a buddhi
BingoBoingo: !up badon
BingoBoingo: !up ryanxcharles
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: wow, xbox live taking bitcoin, some kids are gonna start learning the value of money
BingoBoingo: Maybe, or maybe they will keep talking about urmom
Vexual: well shes gonna find out too
Vexual: how does bitpay work? can the kids tack on a few bucks when theay ask mom for xbox moneys?
Vexual: bits even
Vexual: future whinge: i spent 10bc on halo
Vexual: all i got was sore thumbs
Vexual: funnily fiats have had "designed for windows mobile" stickers on them
Vexual: next to the usb hole
Vexual: afiak just on the cheap high volume shit
Vexual: thats not funny at all, i've lost my mojo
Vexual: fuck it, i'm off to write just shoot me fan fiction
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