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decimation: !up undata
mats: why is tienanmen sq such a big deal to americans
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:38; asciilifeform: for instance, they see their country as having 'sat for the same exam' as the ussr, and passed, while the latter flunked.
asciilifeform: mats: it was a standard 'colour revolution' staged - unsuccessfully - by usg
mats: im reading the wiki page and loling irl
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i never learned why << because ro did 90% of the first 1bn in internet commerce fraud.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust moriarty
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moriarty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moriarty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moriarty | Rated since: never
mats: Deaths: 241-2,600
mircea_popescu: "BACK ME MY COINS" lol
BingoBoingo: Yeah, bitcointalk never changes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00060418 = 7.7637 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol over 50k bitcoins. ok this was pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: so some forum derp used some random "laundering" site ? well... lol.
BingoBoingo: Well, what else do they do?
BingoBoingo: Because, I mean snackman killed BitBet
mircea_popescu: oh right
BingoBoingo: I mean why abuse a legit wagering operation into an actual mixer when you can trust random derp who advertises a wagering operation as a mixer
mats: so much for, i made seven figures this year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.000604 = 9.513 BTC [-]
assbot: Over 10% of all the bitcoin network moved to paycoin in the same twenty minute period. Update coming
BingoBoingo: !up agorecki
agorecki: is there a way to get assbot to stop messaging me every time I join #bitcoin-assets? I got a cloak to avoid the ddos
cazalla: assbot should message you 10x more just for complaining
agorecki: not that I don't appreciate the warning, of course :)
asciilifeform: !up dooglus
BingoBoingo: agorecki: I just find it reassuring to see kakobrekla's motherly protection anywhere I can.
agorecki: It surprised me that someone was actively offering assistance for that. Is that guy / gal staff?
BingoBoingo: Offering assistance on what?
agorecki: getting a cloak
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao where do you find these idiots
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I work the lulz mines so better people can keep their minds clean
mircea_popescu: Josh Garza, srsly ?
agorecki: sorry. was accustomed to lurking
BingoBoingo: His legal name is Homero J Garza
BingoBoingo: agorecki: Ah, it's fine to talk. Kako's the chan op, but not freenode staff to my knowledge
BingoBoingo: Sometime in the next decade this chan will prolly move to a new IRC network
mircea_popescu: agorecki not really atm. you can ignore pms from it tho in most clients
agorecki: I guess I'll leave the assbot window open... At least then I don't have to bother to close it each time I open my IRC client. I don't want to miss any other messages by forgetting that I put it on ignore
mircea_popescu: also works.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8tiRlXLdNw << ru, applied archaeology
assbot: Обнаружен танк времен 2 й мировой Завели! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wLe4Av )
punkman: "100% confirmed: paycoin is officially the most popular coin that's ever launched. I was literally just told: "Josh, you made the coin too popular""
punkman: these "people"...
BingoBoingo: Beautiful work getting that tank to propel itself on the flatbed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point, they fabricate replacement parts
BingoBoingo: In USia we'd order it from the Chicoms off of Ebay
BingoBoingo: Or whatever the .gov alternative to Ebay is
mircea_popescu: punkman the fucking lulziest thing about infantile idiots is how fucking convinced they appear that srsly, this is the firs sunrise!
mircea_popescu: never before has a scammer doubled down.
mircea_popescu: it's not the obvious thing to do when hurting for time.
BingoBoingo: I just like the part where GAW transitioned from dropshipping other manufacterer's miners to selling "cloudhashing" to selling... hosted wallets?
punkman: is that the paybase thing?
BingoBoingo: punkman: The Paycoin/Hashstaker thing
mircea_popescu: punkman paicoin is the third step in exactly what bb's described : sell items you don't have / sell items you don't have / scamcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00060645 = 4.6697 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i gotta say this chan is such a great thing.
mircea_popescu: little tidbits like the above i'd be too lazy to make a blogpost about.
BingoBoingo: Well, they just released the scamcoin. Maybe tomorrow once there's some more drama the thing might merit 2 or three sentences on qntra
mircea_popescu: by tomorrow you mean, once it's 180% the size of bitcoin ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course
assbot: shazow/ssh-chat · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wLhiE7 )
punkman: ;;seen shazow
gribble: shazow was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <shazow> was invited here by a fellow named gabriel at some coffeeshop, so don't mind my idling otherwise
BingoBoingo almost kind of pities the new scammers. Sinking Harnett was worth 500 of mircea_popescu's BTC. Homero J Garza isn't worth a trilema post.
mircea_popescu: yup. exactly how it goes.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, sinking pirate was worth 10k of vandroyi's btc.
BingoBoingo: Harnett though could have been so much more dangerous if he was allowed to live another year.
mircea_popescu: on the same general principle, sinking primeasic was worth kakobrekla's trip to hungary.
mircea_popescu: random asic "manufacturer"/scammer today hardly worth the notice.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. It's nice to have history stacked up in the past
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44353 @ 0.00059768 = 26.5089 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00059046 = 9.2112 BTC [-]
assbot: Congress passes defense budget with troop benefit cuts - U.S. - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1uyD2fk )
mats: highlights: The $495 billion NDAA blocks the retirement but allows the service to reduce maintain and flying time for dozens of Warthogs to save money.
mats: It also bars the Army from transferring Apache helicopters from the National Guard to its active-duty units, while allowing the Navy to spend $450 million on EA-18G Growler aircraft and continuing buying three littoral combat ships.
mats: The $63.7 billion Overseas Contingency Operations portion of the bill increases funding for troops in Iraq, and greenlights an Obama administration plan to train and equip moderate Syrian rebels against the Islamic State.
mircea_popescu: they shall never learn.
mats: Coburn said the package of about 60 national park items, which sets aside vast new tracts of public land, could cost the federal government hundreds of millions per year. But his attempt to delay the NDAA and remove the items was rejected.
mats: gotta keep those parks going.
punkman: "moderate Syrian rebels" lel
mircea_popescu: "i will spend this money on the more chaste girls at the strip club"
punkman: mats: what's wrong with parks
mircea_popescu: "to encourage them to take up mcdonalds jobs, because look at all the money they're not making at the strip joint."
mats: i love parks, but this isn't fiscally responsible.
BingoBoingo: Eh, the Growlers are probably more responsible than waiting for EWAR F-35's
punkman: what's a few hundred million compared to 65.7b
mats: well, when you put it that way...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00060231 = 10.5404 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: plus you know, jobs!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22371 @ 0.00060902 = 13.6244 BTC [+] {2}
mats: i am not impressed that the growlers and raptors are being flown against ISIL
mats: setting fire to more money
mats: a clever manager and the same budget could fund a brigade of farmer warriors indefinitely
BingoBoingo: Apparently they are starting to fly an A-10 in sorties there, but... "Parity" All planes are born their way...
mats: the most sophisticated air frame ISIL is fielding is probably a quadcopter that can manage thirty minutes in the air
BingoBoingo: Well, according to Al Jazeera Iran is flying F-4's against ISIL... Talk about cost effective.
mats: if there was anyone competent at the reins, they'd be doing more than maintaining the A-10s
BingoBoingo: Sure, they'd resurect Fairchild or some shit.
assbot: mooz/percol · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uyHvi7 )
assbot: peco/peco · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uyHtXp )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005854 = 5.4442 BTC [-]
mats: punkman: nice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00058248 = 18.5229 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;rate jyap 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jyap has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: !up jyap
mircea_popescu: now you can self-voice, use it for good.
jyap: thanks mircea_popescu
jyap: i now have stripes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17640 @ 0.00058954 = 10.3995 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 836 @ 0.0012 = 1.0032 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21639 @ 0.00059173 = 12.8044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00058169 = 9.307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005961 = 5.3649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Preet Bharara's Insider-Trading Record Gets Rocked on Appeal - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLDAoi )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14054 @ 0.00058937 = 8.283 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20693 @ 0.00059738 = 12.3616 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4717 @ 0.00058283 = 2.7492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12929 @ 0.00057725 = 7.4633 BTC [-]
cazalla: all this effort to put up an xmas tree and the kid is scared of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00057725 = 7.7929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00057831 = 8.7903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1800 @ 0.0012 = 2.16 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00057175 = 21.0404 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00056844 = 3.2685 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7119 @ 0.00057831 = 4.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00057756 = 13.3705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00058074 = 11.5858 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23105 @ 0.00057912 = 13.3806 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00058876 = 2.9732 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00057944 = 3.1579 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00059075 = 2.5107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00059075 = 12.8488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25426 @ 0.00058042 = 14.7578 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14074 @ 0.0005794 = 8.1545 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00057025 = 6.2351 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3350 @ 0.0012 = 4.02 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24479 @ 0.00059209 = 14.4938 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 839 @ 0.0012 = 1.0068 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.000582 = 11.0871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2497 @ 0.000582 = 1.4533 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3333 @ 0.0012 = 3.9996 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00058339 = 3.092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0005865 = 2.9032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.0005865 = 4.5454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35406 @ 0.0005873 = 20.7939 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00059721 = 7.5846 BTC [+]
assbot: Report: 12 sailors implicated in submarine shower scandal - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1qIUX7u )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7641 @ 0.00059738 = 4.5646 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19435 @ 0.00059703 = 11.6033 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.000597 = 2.2089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5204 @ 0.0005967 = 3.1052 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15896 @ 0.00058529 = 9.3038 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: WHOAS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahh i feel vindicated!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 10000 @ 0.0012 = 12 BTC
adlai: "PayCoin™ uses a new Hybrid Flex Blockchain technique that regularly validates, compresses, and archives old transaction data to creates near-instant transaction times with a light, efficient, and extremely secure blockchain."
adlai: to creates blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00059738 = 6.5712 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol can i short it yet ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, all the billion investors don't really exist.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 915 @ 0.0012 = 1.098 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2974 @ 0.0012 = 3.5688 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79121 @ 0.00059886 = 47.3824 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 943 @ 0.0012 = 1.1316 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13917 @ 0.00060093 = 8.3631 BTC [+]
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-sexodus/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00060191 = 7.4336 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: *clicks*
fluffypony: lolwut
mircea_popescu: i guess guerilla political campaigning ?
fluffypony: nah, I doubt Malema would have the wherewithal for that
mircea_popescu: well i can't terll which way it's intended
mircea_popescu: maybe it's anti.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2834 @ 0.00058973 = 1.6713 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's just bored people with an erection from the internets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00058116 = 7.4098 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: yeah probably that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00058218 = 6.2293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00057788 = 1.2713 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13757 @ 0.00058428 = 8.0379 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00059752 = 16.3123 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00057769 = 9.518 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00058068 = 5.8416 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> or the hell where you're responsible for (and are the only available set of hands) for a missing magic ingredient in six different angry kitchens << lol asciilifeform is the guy who shows up to work to push the right button
mircea_popescu: or to have the right button pushed.
assbot: 49th parallel north - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1wN68yX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30216 @ 0.00057435 = 17.3546 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2084 @ 0.00056759 = 1.1829 BTC [-]
assbot: OpenCellID -  OpenCellID ... ( http://bit.ly/1wN8pdo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00058068 = 4.9067 BTC [+]
Namworld: Mircea, an interesting note about Facebook ads. I think now you can target users by habit, such as people spending money on Facebook credit to buy stuff. So I guess you can filter out bots/junk traffic and target paying gamers who have money to waste and access to credit cards and so on. Although the use for that is limited I suppose to games, mostly.
ben_vulpes: <mats> a clever manager and the same budget could fund a brigade of farmer warriors indefinitely << you're starting to sound like undata
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25281 @ 0.00058492 = 14.7874 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8712 @ 0.00058733 = 5.1168 BTC [+]
mats: ?
ben_vulpes: farming and fighting
ben_vulpes: it's in the logs somewhere
mats: o, well what im talking about is ongoing
mats: see, iraqi national army (and ANA, too) is mostly composed of peasants
mats: the enemy is mostly educated ppls, through madrasas n what not
mats: an uphill battle
mats: well, that was the enemy composition back when the insurgency was still an insurgency
mircea_popescu: Namworld i imagine it's a way to pay slightlymore for the same junk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4238 @ 0.00059281 = 2.5123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00056759 = 9.2517 BTC [-]
Namworld: Ok, here's something you don't see everyday.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14131 @ 0.00056997 = 8.0542 BTC [+]
Namworld: Everyone all in on 4 pocket pairs, all consecutive clockwise http://i.imgur.com/DdMDaCd.png
Namworld: Considering the odds of getting a specific pocket pair, that's pretty impressive.
mircea_popescu: Subject: Congratulations from the Staffs & Members of Google Board Commission.
mircea_popescu: From: "GOOGLE CORPORATION COMPANY" <ladomilk@vnn.vn>
mats: im shocked anyone else was all in
Namworld: Freeroll, not actual $
mats: that explains it
Namworld: Well just the odds of it happening I estimate around 1/20 million, not counting wether you see people's cards or not. Although if it was also all consecutive seats, the odds for that would be 1 in ~200 million I think.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00056997 = 8.6635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18935 @ 0.00056501 = 10.6985 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: Namworld, what site is that?
ben_vulpes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan#Blood-Brotherhood_and_Other_Rites_of_Male_Alliance << i suspect the shartup circus is driven in no small part by young guys seeking blood rites or a war of the small band against the world. a hilarious quest for "honorable" victories.
assbot: Jack Donovan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/131c0Xp )
ben_vulpes: but hey this donovan character's pretty amusing
Namworld: That's 888poker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20065 @ 0.00056997 = 11.4364 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up turntogodnow
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suspecrt you're right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00057314 = 15.1882 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform is the guy who shows up to work to push the right button << if you're thinking of my day job (vs moonlight gig, where i also push a button) - that firm folded. i do something quite like actual work now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22243 @ 0.00059164 = 13.1598 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah him.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26923 @ 0.00059876 = 16.1204 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: is И широкая грудь осетина something about tits btw ?
asciilifeform: 'broad chest of the ossetian'
asciilifeform: think 'he-man' rather than 'tits'
mircea_popescu: but teh dood was from georgia proper neh ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20838 @ 0.00059948 = 12.492 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'conan the barbarian'
decimation: is that a mockery of stalin's 'cult of personality'?
mircea_popescu: tiflis not being in ossetia in any sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: georgia proper << iirc this is debated
asciilifeform: there's a crackpot 'he's really from xxx' thing
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall his father (nominal father anyway) being an ossetian
mircea_popescu: i just thought who knows, maybe guy favoured large udders from the caucasus in bed.
mircea_popescu: i could see why he would.
decimation: one thing that strikes me about russia is all the little enclaves with turkic/mongol ethnicity
decimation: somehow this is never mentioned on western media
mircea_popescu: western media is written for the use of 5 yos with mongoloidism.
mircea_popescu: im surprised they use all the letters.
asciilifeform: 'western media' is a steady diet of the archetypical 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'
mircea_popescu: where was that thing about time
assbot: America and intellectual relevance pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMzKoM )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: america article << are you sure you meant fermat's problem and not poincare's ?
asciilifeform: riemmans's
mircea_popescu: im sure i meant something.
asciilifeform just came back from an all-day trip to maths library and is brain-addled
mircea_popescu: twas poincare yes.
asciilifeform: aha yes
asciilifeform: incidentally, folks tend to forget that perelman refused -two- medals
asciilifeform: the first one - fields!
asciilifeform: then - clay's.
decimation: asciilifeform: you might be interested in this symposium near you http://www.norbertwiener.umd.edu/FFT/2015/schedule.html
assbot: FFT 2015 - Schedule ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMAtXc )
asciilifeform: decimation: i've 'eaten quite enough of the egg to know that it is rotten.'
decimation: it's possible that a few speakers might be non-grantsmen
decimation: but it is unlikely
asciilifeform: decimation: deep in the sewage beneath the city streets, there is almost certainly a golden ring. or dozen.
asciilifeform: not even to mention the uranium in sea water.
decimation: I assure you that parts [of the egg] are quite excellent!
asciilifeform: speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money
asciilifeform: not much of a loss, however. the good stuff is usually decades-old and findable either in the (shrinking...) dead tree collections, or w4r3z
asciilifeform: but still irritating
decimation: don't they have terminals in the library?
asciilifeform: decimation: they were recently made login-only
asciilifeform: and many (most?) journals no longer demand simply an ip within 'blessed' ranges, but actual login
asciilifeform: my 'industrial' library subscription merits checking out of books, but not interlibrary loan nor access to anything requiring a password
decimation: I'm sure the taxpayers of the state of maryland will be pleased with the decisions of their servants working in the state
asciilifeform: i briefly considered subscribing to an 'audited' class (no grade) just to count as undergrad, to score the goods
decimation: so they give you slightly more access than the bums
asciilifeform: but moral principles against giving a scammer what he wants, won the day.
decimation: I'm sure they would charge a hefty fee for the audit
asciilifeform: less than one tenth of the subscription cost of one (!) typical journal.
decimation: IEEE for instance, is the mother of all academic scams
decimation: 90% of their egg is rotten, maybe 5% is worthwhile, but you must either have the all-access subscription or pay princely fees for the journal subscriptions
asciilifeform: every other major discipline has its own version thereof.
decimation: djb has a rant on ieee's policy w.r.t. works of the federal government: http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html
decimation: IEEE will gladly 'sell' you a work which is public domain
asciilifeform: even with respect to the 'dead trees', the decay is rapid enough to be seen with naked eye
asciilifeform: in any academic library, there are books which are actually about something, and there are also those that were printed to pad a muppet career
asciilifeform: when i came to this place, the latter were perhaps 1 in 20. now they're around half.
asciilifeform: and growing.
asciilifeform: academic librarians, incidentally, are merely doing their jobs. they keep things around which are often-requested, and tend to slowly discard what remains.
asciilifeform: muppets walk in, in search of muppetry (it is an iron law that a work of muppetry must reference other such works)
decimation: of course, how else are you going to hobnob at the conferences?
asciilifeform: take, in contrast, this well-known item: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www
assbot: On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMCtyA )
asciilifeform: ^ no citations.
asciilifeform: the translator did not lose them. they weren't there.
decimation: well, einstein was working in the swiss patent office at the time, he wasn't looking to leech a grant
asciilifeform: the point is that no such thing is printable today.
decimation: he would have had to submit it to some crackpot journal that nobody reads
asciilifeform: al schwartz was rejected from, iirc, a dozen journals.
asciilifeform: the only place you can read his eotvos material is his site, which 'suffers' from '90s www design aesthetic and almost everyone spits on first sight
asciilifeform: because in order to distinguish the work from 'timecube', you need a) at least a year or two of undergrad physics b) a week or so of sweat
asciilifeform: but it is not the case that academia rejected schwartz without reading. they read, all right.
asciilifeform: and treated with much the same reaction as the 'financial academia' reserves for taleb or mircea_popescu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00122966 = 3.689 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00059432 = 14.4717 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Apparently, a sufficient number of puppies can explain any computer science concept. Here we have multithreading: http://t.co/R08OZ08a7k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22468 @ 0.00056889 = 12.7818 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26682 @ 0.00056294 = 15.0204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8139 @ 0.0005629 = 4.5814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00059788 = 4.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22420 @ 0.0005983 = 13.4139 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29680 @ 0.00060327 = 17.9051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00060367 = 10.5039 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2087 @ 0.0012 = 2.5044 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0006016 = 8.9638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00058298 = 14.5162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61957 @ 0.00056057 = 34.7312 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00058298 = 2.8566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00058505 = 17.961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00058505 = 5.9675 BTC [+]
assbot: “Well, that was unexpected…”: The Raspberry Pi’s Hardware Random Number Generator | We Saw a Chicken … ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4Lfgx )
BingoBoingo: Interesting.
BingoBoingo just finished surgery on the laptop. Took forever for a replacement fan to arrive from china that wasn't counterfiet.
BingoBoingo: Oh, now Scheme has its own clojure https://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/
assbot: Kawa: The Kawa Scheme language ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4NwZ6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00059572 = 16.8589 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40076 @ 0.00059063 = 23.6701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00059063 = 2.0377 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00059719 = 4.6581 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334225 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 430 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39608695057.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.99675
BingoBoingo: cazalla: At some point your kind will learn to distinguish between flora and fauna
cazalla: "your kind", what exactly is that suppose to mean? mmhmmmmmm *black lady*
mats: needs a z patterned snap
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: kawa << 'now' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Another "LISP" in jvm turd runtime
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well yes, but it's been around for ages.
BingoBoingo: Only just learned it existed
BingoBoingo: Has it?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just as 'armed bear lisp' was the original commonlisp-on-jvm
mircea_popescu: wait what did i do.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You loved too much?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ no citations. << ok that's something else.
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
asciilifeform: surely mircea_popescu knew that one
asciilifeform: try to recall the old life. with physics.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, no citations ?
mircea_popescu: there's no wai. i saw it cited.
asciilifeform: it - was cited. but it did not cite.
mircea_popescu: oh oh right.
assbot: Clearing the air around Tor | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1sqWr1R )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00059364 = 5.788 BTC [-]
assbot: Топор (Кацин) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sqWYRj )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00123 = 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1021 @ 0.0012 = 1.2252 BTC
BingoBoingo: OMG the laptop stays cool for youtube movies!!!
BingoBoingo: Burn the axe, it is the Axe's fault!!!
cazalla: it's sunday so whaddya want..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.137 = 1.507 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Nice. FU APPLE PAY!!! You go second.
BingoBoingo: I can endorse Топор as the bitcoin movie though
asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin, Apple Pay and Google Wallet' << mega-lol
BingoBoingo: Neither of the latter two can fell a tree or remove a foot.
cazalla: google wallet is much like google + in that i have never used nor know anyone that has used it
undata: cazalla: I tried it once for the hell of it; didn't work
BingoBoingo: I know people who use it, but I don't know people who know they use google wallet.
undata: I slapped my phone on the card reader twice, nothing, gave up never to try again
BingoBoingo: This is why if you ever trade BTC for fiat value you never trade it for less than cash in a bag.
assbot: It’s time for Tor activists to stop acting like the spies they claim to hate | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOcMrD )
undata: acting like?
assbot: Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOdhlA )
mats: i use google wallet occasionally
BingoBoingo: Aka the definitive Obola book
mats: there's a nice 5% discount subsidized by google
mats: after associating with my cc its even better
asciilifeform was greatly disappointed after reading 'radicals', after mr mold's fanciful 'reviews'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, notice where the rules came from, Shitcago.
undata: BingoBoingo: this is how you get poor people yelling "yes we can!" ?
BingoBoingo: The "rules" achieved mass publication because they served an interest.
BingoBoingo: undata: Indeed
undata: or "yes we cannabis!" haha
BingoBoingo: The "Rules for Radicals" consists of nothing more or less than how to scare the Dailey family into realizing it isn't all poor people who are a threat, just the black ones.
BingoBoingo: And both the Daileys and Polaks were sated
BingoBoingo: "Rules" solved a specifically American problem and birthed a number of other, specifically, American problems
BingoBoingo: To think. If Poland would have just taken Shitcago by force we could have avoided this Obola thing.
decimation: re: google wallet << turns out a guy who worked on 'google checkout' went to buy a bank in Kansas: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/13/small-bank-in-kansas-is-a-financial-testing-ground/?_r=0
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCeMc1 )
BingoBoingo: decimation: Similarly because the people who made the Dwolla Gox-USD portal live in Iowa, Dwolla now lives off of Iowa state payments.
undata: BingoBoingo: this "creating an external enemy" tactic is a classic move.
BingoBoingo: undata: The thing is enemies differ. Flu virus is a different enemy than Saddam is a different enemy than a mugger. In the cases of the latter two either could be turned friend. If either was turned friend that value of each differs on orders of magnitude.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19602 @ 0.00056698 = 11.1139 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: well, the nyt story and his website mention nothing about bitcoin, so he's just an anklebiter
decimation: re: ford motor company << http://www.computerworld.com/article/2859373/ford-dumps-microsoft-for-qnx-unleashes-new-functions-in-sync-v3.html Ford dumped microshit for QNX, a proper RTOS, and apparently the 'infotainment' system works much better now
assbot: Ford dumps Microsoft for QNX, unleashes new functions in Sync v3 | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOeIk8 )
undata: BingoBoingo: what is the strategy behind creating a "jews" and then turning them into your friend?
undata: or have I missed the point?
asciilifeform: 'open-source QNX platform' << lol. nope.
cazalla: dwolla is a name that seemed to jump the shark for web 2.0 names
asciilifeform: basic 'homework' fail.
BingoBoingo: undata: There can be plenty ask Lockheed Martin and how much they've made this decade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14390 @ 0.00058213 = 8.3769 BTC [+] {2}
undata: BingoBoingo: ah I see what you're saying now
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, 'journalism'
asciilifeform: 'dwolla' and its 'african' consonant cluster seems tailor-made to conjure up images of nigerian spam.
undata: a "managed" enemy
BingoBoingo: undata: Or managed ally. Anything to open the faucet.
BingoBoingo: The story of rules is finding common enemies or allies and then applying leverage by derping loudly in numbers until people neglect history.
BingoBoingo: !up badon
BingoBoingo: badon: How does collecting the shinies go?
badon: hi BingoBoingo
badon: BingoBoingo: It's getting pretty exciting from my point of view.
badon: BingoBoingo: I think the way it's going to go this time around is exactly the same as every other time. First, the precious metals will move (they're dirt cheap now), then the coins.
badon: I'm considering buying silver bullion for the first time since 2008.
BingoBoingo: I got fucked in rhodium 2007-2010
badon: Yeah, I avoided rhodium, it was far too expensive.
BingoBoingo: I have the most sparkling asshole to this day.
badon: I wrote articles recommending palladium and ruthenium. Both performed very well.
badon: Right now, I would consider buying palladium again, but silver is much more liquid and reliable as an investment.
undata: I also bought silver in 08
BingoBoingo: I always recomend plutonium
badon: undata: You did well.
BingoBoingo: I also got fucked in 2013 trading BTC for Silver.
badon: oops
badon: Hard assets have all been hurting since 2011.
badon: Inflation has been too low.
badon: I need to write another article.
BingoBoingo: It's amazing though how much people complain about tungsten filled bars and yet the value of tungsten endures.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
badon: Dang, not enough time for everything.
badon: This is important though, because I've got predictive powah.
badon: I've never "invested" in gold bullion. I've bought rare gold coins, and I've flipped gold, but I've never held raw bullion as an investment.
badon: Although gold is very liquid, for the amounts of money I typically deal with, I prefer food and cash instead.
BingoBoingo: That confuses me. SO you've bought a bunch of sausage, but never tasted the delicious pork in itself?
badon: For more money, then I start looking toward the rare coins.
badon: I just always skip gold.
badon: No, I eat the food.
badon: I don't sell it.
decimation: how do you distinguish 'cash' and 'gold'
badon: I just hoard it when it's cheap, and stop buying when it's expensive or there's a shortage.
badon: decimation: cash is always fiat, usually USD or EUR.
badon: I suppose bitcoin would qualify now too, but Idon't have any.
badon: Actually, I probably do have some bitcoin laying around here somewhere...
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/balajis follows the villian simon from 27bslash6.com
assbot: Balaji S. Srinivasan (@balajis) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOgpxP )
mats: much love from america in 12/13/14
decimation: an auspicious date indeed
mats: i nearly missed it
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> badon: How does collecting the shinies go? <<< thought BingoBoingo made a pokemon reference for a moment
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I did, but I'm not sure what that means in new pokemon. I know it exists. Not to what extent.
assbot: Page not found - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCjabd )
assbot: Japan votes with Abe set for 'super majority' - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCjfeW )
assbot: Offset2lib: bypassing full ASLR on 64bit Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOh4iM )
decimation: so the S&P500 fell ~4% this week because oil is getting cheaper, even for companies that would obviously benefit
asciilifeform: aslr bypass << snore. if this matters, one has more serious problem.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think the impulse for 'defense in depth' is a good one, the problem is that it simply isn't possible on the von neumann machine
mats: harvard arch isn't invulnerable, you know
asciilifeform: mats, decimation: i don't like referring to the 'von neumann machine' for this reason
asciilifeform: it is not anything like a complete identification of the retardation of the past 25 years of computer.
decimation: yeah, I understand, the terminology is ambiguous
decimation: mats, the issue is explained in ascii's "bedrock" essay
asciilifeform: actually, my most complete attempt at explanation was here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284
assbot: Loper OS » Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCmhzM )
asciilifeform: the basic idea being that a computer's owner should be able -and expected- to understand every aspect of every part in the machine (whether physical or logical) - and that everything about the design should be thought of with the purpose, above all others, of making this possible.
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