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asciilifeform: hard to emphasize this enough.
asciilifeform: see the tomatoes example.
asciilifeform realized that he simply regards william randolph hearst's basic invention (mass news) as fundamentally pernicious, and not something that 'good folks can do right because they're good and hearst is evil'
asciilifeform: qntra reads just like ordinary newspaper! 'company c now selling turd t.' 'company s having supply chain problems with their shit.' 'politician p derps on topic t.'
asciilifeform: picture a blog where some chap analyzes latest crapware, and posts reverse engineer autopsies of samples which somehow concern btc.
asciilifeform: here are some imaginary examples of actual 'bitcoin news'
asciilifeform: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
asciilifeform: perhaps i simply don't like the dish, and should not bash the cook.
asciilifeform: example of -interesting- and genuine news - mp's piece. but he can't cough up the actual intel to substantiate the piece, that would aid the enemy.
asciilifeform: i'll give example
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: i'd argue that it isn't simply too new, or done improperly in some way. but - does wrong job.
asciilifeform: the shitmongers are not interested in competing with their grandfathers.
asciilifeform: in what company, think.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the box contract in all extant u.s. banks, they can simply 'lose' the contents, and max liability is a joke number
asciilifeform: it's a temple.
asciilifeform: the chumpers line up to get boxes, etc. not out of legally-enforceable promise of correct function, but - from faith.
asciilifeform: and time/pressure dispensers drool (literally.) and suckback hose does not help - if set to a backpressure that actually has any effect, the contents of the syringe end up slowly sliding up, and eventually into the vacuum pump. schlurp.
asciilifeform: jurov: i have made inquiries. they know about it. but no one, readily, yet works for coin. or, more importantly, can be trusted to carry out a contract with the white man without the strings attached to using fiat/usd.
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way.
asciilifeform: ... to think and work (no day job in the ugandan salt mines, for example) is not a cheap proposition. if i knew of a magical pill against this, i'd have swallowed it already.
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: doesn't matter if the shareholders all wished this (in what hallucinogenic fantasy land?) - 300btc is simply nowhere near sufficient for this, considering esp. that most of it is direly necessary for the first mass production run.
asciilifeform: but i refuse to take pre-orders for equipment not yet produced and tested, and i think mp agrees with my reasoning.
asciilifeform: disks didn't really have on-board controllers as such. just an analogue amp.
asciilifeform: no computer needed.
asciilifeform: no historical example of this, afaik, but the totalitarian state is a rather young thing
asciilifeform: i suspect that quarantine on certain people will be enforced very honestly, while on others (as above example) - not quite.
asciilifeform: basic case master recipe from both sides of cold war - pretend to be an unrelated animal that nevertheless merits close access to the chumper's personal guts.
asciilifeform: my favourite hypothesis re mr. spam is that he is a scammer masquerading as an incompetent usg case officer.
asciilifeform: on every 'real' computer i own, i do it
asciilifeform: (and yes, i intend to write a post re: 'technolordosis.' for the lack of a better term, my current mental name for the deer/hunter symbiosis of voluntary chumpitude previously discussed on many occasions)
asciilifeform: Adlai: better impedance matching - smoother function of nervous system, both central and peripheral, all else equal
asciilifeform: Adlai: if i recall, hypothesis involves impedance matching - same reason folks with damaged myelin sheaths lose theirs.
asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two)
asciilifeform: in usa, we know how to get trampled even without fire
asciilifeform: after how many nurses do we conclude that they are all simply tired of living?
asciilifeform: so far, 50% (sample of... 6 ?)
asciilifeform: any chumper can fork over the hundy and get the 'precleared' thing.
asciilifeform: psychologically unemployable << waitwat, what do you eat...?
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps even more disturbing, evidence suggests that policymakers—from cadets at West Point to senators on the Intelligence Committee to Supreme Court Justices—are referencing fake spies to formulate and implement real intelligence policies...'
asciilifeform admits he expected an honest, traditional firing squad, like a chump.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.)
asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. for the exponent example specifically, see coppersmith's attack.
asciilifeform: 'map is not territory, but the territory does not fit in your glove compartment.'
asciilifeform: for purposes of chumpatronic engineering, it does indeed matter whether the chump needs a leash, coaxing, or mere suggestion to jump into the hopper.
asciilifeform: last version i read, disk i/o was implemented via 'pio' vs dma, so not optimal. but ought to suffice for just about any practical use.
asciilifeform: afaik nobody actually cares how many pictures of ben franklin one can get for 1 btc. but if 1 btc buys, say, computer, or tractor, or half a year of food, etc.
asciilifeform: when read the news, had the idea that ljr was trying to accomplish something like the above.
asciilifeform: not actually hard if you've discovered electromagnetism (electric tuning fork clock, considerably simpler than harrison's chronometer, is quite easy to construct)
asciilifeform: not the same machines as sold to consumers/chumps, yes
asciilifeform: because it is quite impossible to carry out the proof while day job.
asciilifeform: but virtually impossible, last i tried, to actually run
asciilifeform: the kind of machine that absolutely requires an fpga - simply has not been designed yet.
asciilifeform: you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it.
asciilifeform: you can read an sdram spec by, e.g., 'micron' (i did) and implement a ddr2 sdram controller.
asciilifeform: example.
asciilifeform: basically, fpga works, but all existing high-density examples are sold by scammers of a kind - who absolutely could not abide the buyer using these items as the schoolbook promised - 'reconfigurable computer'
asciilifeform: (x86 is rather too complex to actually implement in any extant fpga and still leave room for something useful on top)
asciilifeform: again with the lisp lumping.
asciilifeform: !s templeos
asciilifeform: (short version of 'the camel' - prospective 'comp sci' students were given tests on basic things, e.g., 'a = 1, b = 2, a + b = ?' - and they separated into 2 groups, ones who had correct answrs. or at least consistent misconceptions - and ones who did not. the latter - turned out, unsurprisingly, to be unteachable.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c is just the way average people abstract << if only. invited to reread the infamous 'the camel has two humps.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will appreciate how it is entirely impossible to use a mac os 9 (or prior) box for a daily machine today.
asciilifeform: somebody gets fucked, regardless, just like something had to burn to power my computer to write this (precious little fission or hydro where i live)
asciilifeform: yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation
asciilifeform: moral3: it is contagious. because it is impossible to implement a sane os which handles this insane device and adds up to sanity.
asciilifeform: and incidentally, i know just how the author arrived at this - he probably used the 'watchdog' feature of the micro which implements the device
asciilifeform: why i even mention it? because it's an example of a device that loudly, proudly, pisses on the usb spec (spirit and letter thereof) but is tolerated because for most people - it appears harmless.
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> I think you can improve your device by communicating with the host in any other way (LED and webcam, speaker and microphone, whatever), other than as a USB device, which I don't think is the most secure interface for your usage case. No, I didn't have anyone else tell me to tell you this!
asciilifeform: i sympathize with any poor sod who grunts in a salt mine doing something bloody ludicrous and humiliating, but this has to break some sort of record.
asciilifeform: trivial example: sha(sha(sha..............
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: given that tcp/ip lets you fuck with ordering, that trivially parallelizes. at least, as fast as you can physically clock the bits off the wire to individual comparison registers, and then back on
asciilifeform: some jobs simply do not parallelize.
asciilifeform: chetty: in usa we fear unemployment literally more than bloody death of obola.
asciilifeform: these folks are pro at exactly one thing: keeping the cattle from stampede.
asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
asciilifeform: so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?
asciilifeform: if you stay out of the buildings (not everyone can resist temptation to teleport into a nearly intact soviet childhood) it's clean. cleaner than a good chunk of the 'civilized' world.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: in exactly the same way amputation is good weight control
asciilifeform is not impressed with current shot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: before you freeze something, first have to make sure it isn't a turd. (unless stool sample...)
asciilifeform: von neumann's basic problem is a terrifically bad implementation of the ordinary pipe concept.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pipe - is everything. (hence my crackpot pushing of dataflow as replacement for von neumann computation, etc)
asciilifeform: and i suspect usg also gets it. they're banking on just one hope, killing btc somehow through stampede
asciilifeform suspects that, as with soviet bureaucrats, salary is only small part of the compensation package.
asciilifeform: *clamp-collar
asciilifeform regressed mostly to 18th c., at least temporarily
asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (alias, former british prison doctor, many great bookz) had a neato piece on opiates.
asciilifeform: exploitable bugs in all known implementations. <- and you can take that to the bank.
asciilifeform: you get to pay extra 'self employment' tax rate.
asciilifeform: other reasons include - folks who play in the real-estate chumpatron get a good deal of tax break.
asciilifeform: decimation: manually computing the tax, alone, is almost a job.
asciilifeform: phun phact. old russian unit of measure, 'вершок' (vershok) ~= 'lengthling' - approximately was equal to length of upper half of index finger. and it lives today! in every server room. last imperial вершок is precisely 1U of cabinet.
asciilifeform: not necessarily mega-empire
asciilifeform: firemen get (and deserve) no credit for the relative incombustibility of modern dwellings compared to those of the past.
asciilifeform: similar to sanitation example.
asciilifeform: example. say room-temperature supercons appear.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: attempt at solving basic problem of the 'martian bank'
asciilifeform: good compromise - 'northgate' kbd.
asciilifeform: chumps will buy anything?
asciilifeform: reel feed is less important when machine is being driven semi-manually
asciilifeform: decimation: more importantly, is the fact that their machines cost money that i don't have.
asciilifeform: the pick'n'place cum pastelayer is the only cut to a 'gordian knot' - namely, can't have the boards populated at a genuine factory (prohibitive cost for small batches) - but can't populate by hand with acceptable yield (very fine-pitch components)
asciilifeform: can't have a part machined, for example, unless there is no possibility of making it to spec with own hands (pcbs with soldermask, vias, hard gold - fall into this category)
asciilifeform: at any rate, hopefully answered the question of why simple-looking piece of junk had to be laboriously cut.
asciilifeform: this setup is in fact available off shelf - but in gigantic version (for use with compressed air shop tools)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: amd does not sell compilers.
asciilifeform: it is a statement of fact. in that, encountering an animal turd in the forest, you know only approximately what is its composition.
asciilifeform: it's empty, of course.
asciilifeform: they bought up virtually the entire u.s. computer game industry - and then imploded.
asciilifeform: hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.
asciilifeform: hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.
asciilifeform: the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial
asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...
asciilifeform: гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.'
asciilifeform: gun is just one example.
asciilifeform: that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.'
asciilifeform: but how to prove that you didn't make a particular non-compliant item
asciilifeform: (americans simply replaced one or two shells' powder with tetryl, resealed container, and left it for enemy to find as a trophy)
asciilifeform: i believe thestringpuller is asking for a known impossibility - a mechanical angel.
asciilifeform: i will be, for at least another ten minutes, then i go & take break from computer, cut a little aluminum
asciilifeform: or is this another 'basic stamp' where 'pr0gr4m w1th0ut pr0gr4mm1ng like a l33t ch1xx0r' affair ?
asciilifeform: how hard is it to plant a micro in a breadboard or simple pcb ?
asciilifeform: moldysnizz: this particular item (trng) is a very simple but safety-critical (hence amount of effort spent on it) component of a larger apparatus.
asciilifeform: as for this entire thread - being pessimist, imho any software project which appears to call for this level of organizational complexity - is a lost cause.
asciilifeform: (example not necessarily applicable to given domain, but specifically of folks taking actual responsibility for their actions)
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: it downloads a turd, needs space to decompress it
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: well, to upgrade without a connected computer, yes
asciilifeform suffered fair share of employment as undergrad research grunt of various stripes
asciilifeform: decimation: available. 'ebay' for example.
asciilifeform: it would be fairly simple to include a pattern match for 'magic bus cycle' or 'magic instruction' on built-in-cpu that will, e.g., short supply to ground.
asciilifeform: it is virtually impossible now to buy a pure fpga.
asciilifeform: what can one accomplish on fpga, knowing nothing about your opponent's future purpose for it, with a small turd ?
asciilifeform: it's a leper's bell for grantsmanship and chumpatronics of the most tedious sort.
asciilifeform: bounce: i posit that it must be presumed intentional. the shitgnomes hide behind the impossibility of logically proving their guilt.
asciilifeform: these people are walking around, alive, and worst of all - continuing to churn out code. which unwitting chumps will actually use.
asciilifeform: that's the intended implication, at any rate.
asciilifeform: 'Authorities said Friday that the hard drive of a computer used by Frein provides evidence he had been planning an attack for years. They said Frein's Internet searches included sites on how to avoid police manhunts.'
asciilifeform: this mirrors the (almost-contemporary!) soviet mistake
asciilifeform: (it is virtually impossible to touch with finger and make less than full circle on readout)
asciilifeform: chetty: farnsworth didn't need a decade of free time. raster scan, fortunately, was a fairly simple item.
asciilifeform: chetty: i was speaking more generally of employment with usg rather than proper soldiering as such
asciilifeform likes to suggest pondering theological implications of a glassed middle east
asciilifeform: decimation: approximately - food stamps are given to groups, rather than people. not formally, of course - but in practice.
asciilifeform: likewise, for dataflow cpu fabric (the only truly reasonable way to build a computer) - existing logic synthesis methods are unsuitable.
asciilifeform: just as 'bentley' does not compete with 'toyota'
asciilifeform: it made no attempt to compete with, e.g., ibm anything
asciilifeform: decimation: it is important to understand that lm was a specialist instrument - like the most elaborate electron microscope.
asciilifeform: when we are talking about a sword that a man can swing - or a computer system that 'fits' inside a single brain comfortably - this is a fundamental difference.
asciilifeform: even the best swings would be from among a very small set of simple strokes.
asciilifeform: or squadron could contain enemy wrecker, imperceptibly and unprovably spoiling a swing
asciilifeform: and they would work in synchrony, but of course imperfectly - and occasionally at cross purposes
asciilifeform: laugh, laugh. but most of what you expect from your computer is not -mathematically- more complicated than 'hello world.'
asciilifeform: decimation: mp added a c) if i recall: 'kill and bury the pyramid builders, blind the architect'
asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
asciilifeform: if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is used, for example, by bios prior to dram init sequence.
asciilifeform: simply not a very good idea.
asciilifeform: if cold end is below room temp - can condense.
asciilifeform: (why never caught on? answer: anything that can go below room temp. can have problems with condensation.)
asciilifeform: dignork: tcpdump...
asciilifeform: but once you add fools (who can also be liars, but let's not complicate unnecessarily) to the mix...
asciilifeform: if they're the 'greek' type, that are simply 'not gate', then - sure.
asciilifeform: there is a particular species of chumpatronium, what one might call a chumpassal (chump, vassal)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the unsettling discovery is that mass-derp can continue far longer than the example under consideration. e.g., 'crypto ag' still exists, multi-$b, 'unknown' ownership, and... multi-decade loyal customers.
asciilifeform: 'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to
asciilifeform: e war zone, you'd rush to the war zone to join the feeding frenzy, right? so, to complete the grim picture, software in our society is diseased, the activity you read about are all about cleaning up the disasters and surviving the equivalent of plagues, and it just takes a tremendous amount of people and work to keep the whole system from dying, like the incredibly stupid year-2000 problem.'
asciilifeform: incidentally, it is because the prisons are run as a miniature copy of the entire empire
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think millikan's experiment is a clusterfuck? in computer 'science', folks like lenat are schoolbook-famous for experiment that not only have not but cannot be replicated with available data.
asciilifeform: this doesn't even tough upon the very special chumpatronic clients who are admitted, to flounder about in 7+ years of too-precious-to-flunk limbo.
asciilifeform: and mit rubber-stamped the bsd license release of the original cadr stuff, once priced at $maxint
asciilifeform: by the time these things changed - he was fully occupied in operating an obvious chumpatron
asciilifeform: we don't know if it was eurisko or just doug l. and a lisp prompt.
asciilifeform: the schoolbook telling of the 'eurisko' project - open an encyclopaedia of computing, traditionally it is mentioned as a seminal work - suggests this.
asciilifeform: decimation: i tried, back in the day, was not impressed with result.
asciilifeform: and might be interesting to compare the dtic-online version to mine.
asciilifeform: Darkstone1: if this is even remotely possible to do to you - and probably necessarily so if your bot is less complicated, than, say, 'eurisko' - give up.
asciilifeform: to continue the oscillator analogy: nitwits running simple bots will show up as 'line spectra'.
asciilifeform: berndj-blackout: nope. to run with the mechanical analogy, the system has a certain amount of 'dampening'.
asciilifeform: where you know that opponents are running, e.g., simple arbitrage bots, but each has a 'stop-loss' threshold
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: runaway complexity may be intrinsic in von neumann paradigm.
asciilifeform was never obsessed with 'spec' - but does think that one must arrive at what question is being answered before attempt is meaningful
asciilifeform: low intrinsic complexity - yes. encrusted with 'accidental complexity - also yes.
asciilifeform: also it is possible that i used a bad example. man has indeed invented hydrogen bomb. but securing 50 years of turdolade by 'fixing mistakes' is more akin to jumping 1km. no athlete has jumped 1km, and beatings will not create one.
asciilifeform: which stone in the roller << this is the basic premise behind 'many eyes' theory, - and we know it is empirically false.
asciilifeform: yes, they exist. yes, olympic athletes have lifted two metres high for two minutes.
asciilifeform: (who, of late, have actually been selling a computer in that shape.)
asciilifeform: bounce: people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
asciilifeform: (solder paste in 'adult' industry is simply never pumped. they use stencils, afaik.)
asciilifeform: peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes)
asciilifeform: decimation: you can, but you get odd behaviour - considering that you aren't pumping a fluid in the usual sense
asciilifeform: i keep waiting for someone here to suggest 'use peristaltic pump'
asciilifeform: no need to control pressure to any great extent, that's the whole fscking point of pos. disp. pumps.
asciilifeform just emerged from ~4 hrs of lathe work, does in fact appreciate the difficulty of apparently simple things. but the extant computing stack - is still a pile of shit.
asciilifeform: the only thing intrinsically necessary is a compact way to tell the photomask printer what to do...
asciilifeform: very few of these things feel 'impressive' after you learn just how intrinsically simple all of our tech stack is
asciilifeform: jurov: similar machines - but entirely mechanical, no computer - existed since early 20th c., and are still used by american politicians to 'sign' documents.
asciilifeform: !s incompetence
asciilifeform: not everything is malicious << see the ancient thread (mp's?) re: whether it is useful to distinguish between sufficiently incompetent 'rangers' and actual scammers
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: complain to the fellow who inserted the 'bug'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: deliberate use of non-optimally-compact representation was justified with 'humans will read and write it without having to, horrors, use a program.'
asciilifeform: (note that you could just as easily end up eating a dog turd from the market and a blade of grass from the dump)
asciilifeform: 'choose from where you will eat $mysteryobject - from vegetable market, or city dump.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: importance of pedigree is proportional to information poverty.
asciilifeform: (they're 'victorian' gentlemen by comparison)
asciilifeform: the menacing zek on the cover is a real riot, considering how sympathetic the creatures in this book are (compared to russian zeks described in corresponding tomes)
asciilifeform: !up mp_colonist
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: he would also immediately grasp the present situation as 'nithlings' ('pederasts' to russian prisoner, ??? to english) took control and force people to behave as if they were people and their honour had weight
asciilifeform: never touch computer.
asciilifeform: magoscientists complaining about how magomagicians aren't doing magoscience right << obligatory: 'monday begins on saturday' (strugatski brothers.) << exists in english!!
asciilifeform: decimation: if you are inventor, gruntwork (of the kind involved in achieving almost anything substantial with existing computer systems) is a monumental torture.
asciilifeform: decimation: this might actually go straight to mp's piece about good knight/conqueror and good father being different animals
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: clearly 'platonist' - thinks that particular bit of magic 'works when you plug it in.'
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: the man is a geologist (as far as i can judge - a good one) and an amateur scholar of crackpottery. no pretenses at being a monumental philosopher.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: write to him! dollars to doughnuts, he'll have an interesting answer.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: dutch is the same guy who did the symmetry-groups thing. he has an astonishing spectrum of strange.
asciilifeform did not exhume this item to praise 'mathematica' but to bury it - it's an example of something everybody else should have copied and used as permanent baseline for anything new, like kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: decimation: university labs are given a 'complete package' with instrument libraries, etc.; students forced to use.
asciilifeform: that isn't really a complete picture.
asciilifeform: decimation: of course, users of 'matlab' will say 'sure! we're same.' -- like 'glbse' vs 'mpex'...
asciilifeform: !up mp_colonist
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: it only became interesting after ver. 6 or so.
asciilifeform: (forget 'w. alpha', it's a clown show) mathematica - is example of a product for which not even a vaguely passable (to aficionado) alternative exists, at any price point
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: proverbial adamantine indestructible cock.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: wolfram corp. is quite unlike a restaurant
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i am very glad they did not fix. relying on black box turd for a critical piece of mechanics was stupid, and it was necessary to pay with suffering for it (did.)
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i did sign off on ~7kBez worth of wolframiana. but did not expect the same level of fellatio as the folks who we paid 40k/seat. and got what expected.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: perhaps out of spite. they flew sales-muppets to my lab hoping i'd buy a mega-cluster's worth of licenses. i didn;t.
asciilifeform not enamoured with dutch's examples specifically - but his formula is sound.
asciilifeform: !up mp_colonist
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: lol! what sort of turtle is this.
asciilifeform: jumped on the systemd bandwagon << and you're using this on your own free will ?
asciilifeform: nobody seems to ask 'who're the new girls in high-temperature metallurgy'
asciilifeform: herr wolfram's megalomania did not happen in empty space. he has a total, watertight monopoly on something - just as steve jobs did.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: just here in this channel, you'll turn up at least two, perhaps three people who, as boys, understood virtually the entire 'ms-dos' say.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: museum - collect apparatus from a generation ago. not because 'clean', but because can be studied with considerably lighter effort.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: x86, but trivial retarget.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: it's a c compiler a man can read.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: for the practical and immediate - BingoBoingo's approach. (curate a museum)
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