Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-10-08 | 2014-10-10 → ↓
asciilifeform: decimation: browser is 'judas goat' that leads folks into places they would never voluntarily go
asciilifeform: in terms of crapolade accumulation in the conceptual stack
asciilifeform: browser is why 'i wanna run my old freebsd 4.7 box' - 'sorry, no, not if you still want to log in & pay your electric bill online.'
decimation: old analog cell phones allocated 25 khz of dedicated bandwidth to each call (as I recall)
decimation: 'modern' phones allocate ~8kbit/sec w/lossy compression
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will appreciate how it is entirely impossible to use a mac os 9 (or prior) box for a daily machine today.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, and somehow we aren't supposed to notice the atrocious quality.
asciilifeform: and unlike dr. seuss and his 'whispermaphone' - not even secret.
decimation: but, you see now 'everyone' has a 'phone'
decimation: 'everyone' can 'use' a 'computer' and 'the internet'
asciilifeform: this is the basic phenomenon here.
asciilifeform: 'everyone'ization.
decimation: I had opportunity to use an 'old' agilent spectrum analyzer a few days ago
mircea_popescu: decimation you know who was talking on the cellphone back in those old days ?
decimation: it lacked windows, made me feel good
decimation: mircea_popescu: certianly not 'everyone'
mircea_popescu: i mean what, hollywood used it to establish just how speshul redford is to make sharon stone fucking him for money acceptable to the housewife in attendance
mircea_popescu: i mean moore not stone
mircea_popescu: i always mix my starlets.
decimation: remember the 80's movies & tv where the rich guy in the limo has a 'car phone'?
asciilifeform: pre-cellular (trunked radio)
asciilifeform: even soviets had them.
asciilifeform: half a dozen or so per city, max.
decimation: you can buy an 'agilent e4406a' on ebay for ~$1k, covers 7mhz to 4 ghz, windows free
dub: dad had one in his porshe 924
decimation: my understanding is that early analog cell phones weren't even trunked, they had a dedicated channel while connected
assbot: “Progress” and “Revolution” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: The Lorax -- Dr. Seuss (1972 original version) - YouTube
decimation: the french revolution wasn't only caused by the socialists, it was also caused by the pathetic derpiness of the 'nobility' and monarchy
decimation: many of whom were actively trying to undermine the other nobility in the name of 'progress' etc
mircea_popescu: not in the name of progress, no.
mircea_popescu: i don't really like the mr trololo treatment
decimation: in the name of égalité?
mircea_popescu: well this is a very difficult question. but a good part of it is that nietzsche and sartre are not innovators except formally. fundamentally, they were retracing preexisting ideas,
mircea_popescu: and so the superman and the existentialist are both models of the late french aristocracy
mircea_popescu: people with the drive to push the absurd quite very far, and with the means to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages.
xanthyos: http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2014-Oct-08_19_04_08.mp3 << danielpbarron bit starts 77 min in, gonna listen to this because i was too busy pissing on my mom's driveway when the show was live
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> i don't really like the mr trololo treatment << this was re the seuss link
decimation: I hadn't made the connection between french elite absurdity and Nietzsche - an interesting connection
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somebody (pixar?) recently came out with an even worse one
asciilifeform: that actually made the 1972 picture look good.
decimation: the reddit of 1789, france was the Estates-General and the derpage associated with the third estate
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 351.84, Best ask: 353.71, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 351.84, 24 hour volume: 28774.86534965, 24 hour low: 327.01, 24 hour high: 359.87, 24 hour vwap: 345.196943781
decimation: in contrast to the French revolution, the American revolution seems much more... conservative? The result of the American revolution largely enshrining the existing governing arrangement in place (while sowing the seeds of future destruction with lofty idiotic language that no one at the time took seriously)
decimation: !up stormlight
decimation: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/ << "September 30, around 5am" << wait - was that Argentina time? Because they are UTC-3, which makes it almost 2300 29 Sep local time?
assbot: Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
xanthyos: lol danielpbarron 97 minute mark with the hypothetical situation of you catching elton john buttfucking in your hotel
The20YearIRCloud: That's a bit scary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people with the drive... to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages << they would if they could.
decimation: !up AndrewJackson
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00074806 = 4.3387 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
mircea_popescu: er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
The20YearIRCloud: Maybe i can steal your bitcoin news website
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 311414.90 in 403 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.42
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 19000 BTC
RagnarDanneskjol: thats a nice number = 5414.88 oz xau
mircea_popescu: basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date
mircea_popescu: not that many things in bitcoin with a better record
cazalla: this upcoming article, too speculative? some random shit kicker owes $$ while his company begins accepting bitcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Suppose you want to support strings and have a string comparison instruction. You might think that "it's done in the hardware", so it's blindingly fast. It isn't, because the hardware still has to access memory, one word per cycle. A superscalar/VLIW assembly loop would run just as quickly; the only thing you'd save is a few bytes for instruction encoding. On the other hand, your string comparison thingi
mircea_popescu: e has got you into several sorts of trouble" << my question is, why one word per cycle ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla not enough data to make a call
mircea_popescu: cazalla imo it's good.
mircea_popescu: !up pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa
fluffypony: that's a lot of a's
mircea_popescu: what brings you and your a's here ?
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: oh I liked your comment about bitcoin not being for poor people
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: on twitter someone quoted of you today
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: I am friends of DPB and Xan
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: but I am from SF bay area
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: not east coast
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: my ex gf is a fake socialist who works for btcjam
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: and talks about bitcoin helping poor people
mircea_popescu: is she hot ?
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: and i decided to become a full blown capitalist
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: since love dosent exist
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: she was a hot samoan
pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa: samoan white girl
assbot: About Us - BTCJam
pakaka: these millineal socialist commies into bitcoin are dangerous
pakaka: millinenial*
pakaka: however you spell it
pakaka: that site is sort of irrelvent with what I have heard about the WOT though.
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
pakaka: I wonder if andreas antonopoulos is a Fed.
xanthyos: hi pakaka
pakaka: hi
pakaka: i guess andreas antonopoulos didnt have any cash and had alexis buy him a pack of cigs and he said he would send her bitcoin for it
pakaka: which he never did
pakaka: #scam
pakaka: after some bitcoin meetup in sf a few months ago
pakaka: what a chump
xanthyos: how do you collateralize loans for something whose value is so volatile?
xanthyos: are they a bank?
mircea_popescu: lol this scamming the noobie carnie sounds so mark twain like.
xanthyos: i sure do love painting this fence
mircea_popescu: anyway. that's all for me, take it ezzy
assbot: obeisance/pakaloloz (10-09-2014) - Tinychat
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.0, Best ask: 368.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 368.0, 24 hour volume: 32532.57837044, 24 hour low: 334.61, 24 hour high: 370.0, 24 hour vwap: 349.544729812
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00074148 = 4.4489 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: icahn is sending an open letter to apple today or something
thickasthieves: i bet it says they should buy paypal when it spins off
assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 10.6 Does price still lead difficulty?
assbot: Nope, China’s economy hasn’t yet surpassed America’s – Quartz
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.19, vol: 32154.98743247 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 16417.66327 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 365.4, vol: 37100.03532424 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 369.98, vol: 13.35213212 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 361.514412, vol: 68989.92250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.99999, vol: 17.16269164 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 367.4016, vol: 182.64802365 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 06:51:52; mircea_popescu: basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date
kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed.
kakobrekla: current number seems to be ~135
kakobrekla: and ~50 in the pipe
RagnarDanneskjol: [The Bitcoin Backbone Protocol: Analysis and Applications]
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 225 Last Price: 255 30d-Vol: 174k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 199
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thickasthieves: btc going nuts
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.01, Best ask: 378.88, Bid-ask spread: 2.87000, Last trade: 379.17, 24 hour volume: 31550.38990955, 24 hour low: 336.25, 24 hour high: 379.99, 24 hour vwap: 354.61002523
kakobrekla: boooo
kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this
kakobrekla: i guess we will eat meat today!
thickasthieves: have some cake too
thickasthieves: alas i will not eat meat today
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Doormouse and Boar?
kakobrekla: ah right tat , forgot
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo lmao
kakobrekla: any of the two is better than chestnuts
kakobrekla: fukin hate those.
BingoBoingo: Almonds though are the worst, taste like cyanide.
cazalla: vanilla almonds are the best
cazalla: and with that, qntra australia signs off for the night
assbot: BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM
fluffypony: "Media must follow certain ethical standards when reporting the news and at CCN, our team follows the standards to the letter."
thickasthieves: lol at the included pic and caption
thickasthieves: Decentraliiiiiiiized Future ture ture!
mats_cd03: i just put some gluten in a marinade of sriracha, chopped garlic, and soy sauce
fluffypony: this is what most altcoins are like IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LKYLnrTMq0
assbot: Funny high school RAP BATTLE - YouTube
mats_cd03: it shatters the mind how protein dense gluten is
mats_cd03: 5oz of seitan could be as much as 120g protein
fluffypony: thickasthieves: when did you go vegan?
thickasthieves: nearly 3yrs i think
thickasthieves: was veg before that
mats_cd03: why do you do it
mats_cd03: waifu?
thickasthieves: well, if you really wanna know, it's somewhat spiritual i guess, i dont like the idea of caging and torturing animals
thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit
fluffypony: my wife's just gone vegan (she's been vegetarian since she was 14)
fluffypony: also because of the way animals are treated
fluffypony: even the ones that aren't used for meat
thickasthieves: yes the wife is a factor, but it was my idea to go vegan
thickasthieves: i never ate much meat before i was vegetarian
fluffypony: oh I was just comparing your reason to hers, I'm not vegetarian
thickasthieves: yeah we dont wear leather, etc
thickasthieves: i also make clear that i dont have a problem with people eating meat in and of itself
fluffypony: do you tell everyone about how amazing it is being vegan and about how there's such a variety you can eat and then spend 45 minutes telling them about your vegan xxxxxx recipe?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mats_cd03: if it was legal and you told it was tasty, i would eat people
thickasthieves: no i only talk about it when asked and always say that discalimer
fluffypony: I find most vegans have a tendency to cross over that line from "oh interesting" to "ok shut up now"
fluffypony: present company excluded
thickasthieves: well the oh shut up now is basically ALL of what we say
thickasthieves: thats why i wait to be asked
thickasthieves: meat eaters dont give a shit
thickasthieves: the paradigm is too separate
thickasthieves: that said, ur all fukn murderous selfish neanderthals!
assbot: Mobile network attack evolution [30c3] - YouTube
thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly
mats_cd03: dinosaurs, all of them
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 370.57, Best ask: 371.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 371.18, 24 hour volume: 33800.61916753, 24 hour low: 337.31, 24 hour high: 379.99, 24 hour vwap: 356.209134548
kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit meassage
BingoBoingo: * assbot has quit (Changing host)
kakobrekla: hrm..
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 368.85, vol: 34574.72124614 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 362.011, vol: 16619.16569 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 365.8, vol: 42453.90134761 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 372.43, vol: 12.99009128 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.362138, vol: 75850.93770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 14.93466583 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.42457, vol: 226.36730483 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !up hagbardgroup
hagbardgroup: Thanks. I was told to lurk before speaking much, but 'hi all!'
ben_vulpes: people are learning
ben_vulpes: quelle suprise
nubbins`: HIF Q3 report
nubbins`: !up hagbardgroup
nubbins`: maybe the shoddiest "report" i've seen outta these clowns
nubbins`: they so obviously just took Q2 report and changed the details: page 3 accidentally says "2nd quarter" instead of 3rd
nubbins`: P&L monthly detail shows July, August, and... June
mats_cd03: -40BTC loss ouchies
nubbins`: not bad financials overall though, they only lost 40btc
mats_cd03: well, 40BTC loss.
nubbins`: "lost" in this context, of course, means "paid themselves"
nubbins`: 'cause sorry bru operating expenses don't ya know
nubbins`: ;;seen topace
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <topace> heh
nubbins`: ;;later tell topace why are HIF reports such embarassing pieces of shit?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: o hey he is still around
kakobrekla: !up topace
thickasthieves: yeesh cant leave trading desk for 45m!
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.05, Best ask: 384.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 384.93, 24 hour volume: 36349.21073683, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 360.59043127
nubbins`: dude, you have a desk?!
nubbins`: !up Quanttek
thickasthieves: well i have two big monitors with charts on them at least
nubbins`: next best thing
nubbins`: i'd like a desk
nubbins`: no room in the studio for one
thickasthieves: so many people have been shorting on the way up, shorts at alltime high on bitfinex
thickasthieves: theyre getting raped
assbot: CFTCs Global Markets Advisory Committee to Meet October 9, 2014
Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, pretty lulzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 2000 @ 0.00138002 = 2.76 BTC [-] {13}
nubbins`: canadian senate committee yesterday, cftc today
BingoBoingo: Bam, news'd it up.
Apocalyptic: "to what extent the CFTC may perceive to have juridiction on the subject." // the "perceive" word is of prime importance I suspect
nubbins`: antononoypopoponpoynlyous testimony for canadian senate yesterday was pretty good
thickasthieves: i havent watched that yet, but if you say it'
thickasthieves: s good i will
mircea_popescu: nubbins` video ?
mircea_popescu: o hey there princess.
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Well, maybe someone actually bothers to call their toll free number
assbot: Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
nubbins`: ooooo too slow
mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
princessnell: ty, howdy!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's more of a radio thing than a tv thing, throw it on in the bg ;p
mircea_popescu: how about you write a piece of bitcoin news and submit it to cazalla princessnell ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` noty
mircea_popescu: the web is for text.
princessnell: for qntra?
mircea_popescu: these video heretic will all go to hell.
mircea_popescu: princessnell yeah
nubbins`: so subscribe to C-SPAN
nubbins`: they carry that in argentina, right?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
nubbins`: wait fuck that's the usa one
nubbins`: what channel do i watch my government on?
princessnell: sure i'll do that now
mircea_popescu: love ya.
nubbins`: CPAC
mircea_popescu: that sounds like the us communist party
nubbins`: princessnell why not transcribe that video, it's only 2 hours long ;p
mircea_popescu: why don't YOU transcribe it ?
nubbins`: hmm, because i'm not in the mood to do favors?
nubbins`: mostly because transcribing 2h of video would be an incredibly arduous task
mircea_popescu: which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work.
nubbins`: it's work put on someone else tho
bounce: fobbing off is the thing to do
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work. << Why Vlogger's can't be relevant
BingoBoingo: It's unethical to allow it
princessnell: can't find the live cast
princessnell: oh its not for a few hours
mircea_popescu: princessnell linked above neh ?
thickasthieves: "that literally blew my mind" anotnononoopolpus
princessnell: oh the andreas vid
nubbins`: LITERALLY
nubbins`: i don't think the phrase "blew my mind" has a literal meaning
nubbins`: what does the verb "blow" mean in this context?
nubbins`: like, you blew a gasket? your mind stopped working and a part had to be replaced?
mats_cd03: maybe hes being funny
thickasthieves: "i think the most common use for bitcoin is charitable giving, donations, and tipping" antonop
thickasthieves: does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ?
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thickasthieves: "a 10-year-old can create a (crypto)currency and that currency can be as secure as the currency created by a monarch" anotnop
thickasthieves: "...and without cost"
thickasthieves: this guy....
assbot: U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission Meeting on Bitcoin Derivatives Today : Bitcoin
nubbins`: thickasthieves, but is it not true 8)
thickasthieves: if it has no cost, it has no value, no security
nubbins`: i believe he meant the cost of creating it
nubbins`: sorta like how you paid $7.25 to get ATC made or w/e
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313147.49 in 383 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.33
thickasthieves: well in the context he is preaching glories of blockchain tech
thickasthieves: so it is misleading
thickasthieves: to say child coins are secure and no cost
nubbins`: ehh, you're reading too much into it
nubbins`: put another way: whether satoshi is a 10yo kid or Queen Beatrice, bitcoin is what it is
thickasthieves: i think he conveniently glosses over the security aspects of the conversation
nubbins`: it's the features, not the creator, that the relevance is applied to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00074219 = 3.9707 BTC [+]
nubbins`: oh sure, but that's too low-level for a senate hearing
thickasthieves: he paints current infosec as hopeless
nubbins`: half those people in the room don't know what the fuck a computer is
nubbins`: just wait til the lady from NB starts asking questions.
thickasthieves: but its also hopeless to think common men can secure their coins themselves
nubbins`: agreed, 100%, and he admits as much
nubbins`: it's also hopeless to think that your bank can secure your money
nubbins`: difference is, banks try to make you believe the opposite
mircea_popescu: princessnell they were discussing some testimony or w/e
nubbins`: whereas btc fanatics will freak out at you and tell you that your security, no matter how tight, is brutally sub-par
thickasthieves: and then they go home and use their one mobile device to log in via 2fa on same
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ? <<< yes. people charitably gave to neobee so that antonoscampulous could bum ciggs off people and derp before the candian senate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.00097912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 174 satoshi per share
nubbins`: good thing none of us were tangled up in NEOBEE
nubbins`: imagine the guilt at enabling
mircea_popescu: well apparently the twerp has no such issue
mircea_popescu: and from what i recall reading about canadian politicians, it's n o wonder they invited him
nubbins`: ;;google mike duffy
gribble: Mike Duffy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Duffy>; Mike Duffys: Irish Restaurant and Sports Bar - St Louis MO: <http://www.mikeduffys.com/>; Town and Country Irish Food Menu - Best Burger N St ... - Mike Duffys: <http://www.mikeduffys.com/town-country-irish-food-menu/>
mircea_popescu: vermin seeking vermin and all that.
nubbins`: ;;google pamela wallin
gribble: Pamela Wallin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Wallin>; Pamela Wallin - Journalist, Diplomat, Entrepreneur & Author: <http://pamelawallin.com/>; Pamela Wallin says she regrets repaying Senate expenses | Toronto ...: <http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/24/pamela_wallin_says_she_regrets_repaying_senate_expenses.html>
nubbins`: ;;google canadian senate scandal
gribble: Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal>; Canada Senate Scandal - Huffington Post: <http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/canada-senate-scandal/>; Senate Expense Scandal: Pictures, Videos, Breaking News: <http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/senate-expense-scandal/>
nubbins`: ;;google canadian senate marijuana 2002
nubbins`: so on, so forth
mircea_popescu: so he's exactly in his proper element then.
mircea_popescu: maybe they start a new innovative coinplatfromscamderpage thing
nubbins`: wagging his chin at a bunch of ineffectual appointed lords?
mircea_popescu: now that neobee blew up, ethereum is gone into the hole etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12190364 BTC to 15`466 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
nubbins`: how long would one boil a chicken breast for, i wonder
mircea_popescu: ten minutes to as long you got.
nubbins`: ah, pulled it out at just the right moment
nubbins`: the idea is to have the middle slightly pink, so you can butterfly it and pan-fry
mircea_popescu: then ten's maybe too much
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
nubbins`: around seven was right. ten for a full-cook would be right on the money
nubbins`: what's antonpopnopnopnopn got to do with neobee again
nubbins`: i have a hard time recalling
mircea_popescu: bout the same he has to do with ethereum, or bitcoin generally.
mircea_popescu: he kept representing to the sort of idiots that follow him on reddit that it's a great thing.
mircea_popescu: and that he's done the research for them, and all is well, a lie easy for the derps in question to swallow seeing just how lazy and stupid they are.
mircea_popescu: not that the thing is peculiar to him in any sense, it's the stock in trade of any random derp aspiring to a position of political preminence without any particular skill or ability. like so : http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE’s assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been “under-banked.” I must note, however, there
mircea_popescu: is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
nubbins`: tangibility
mircea_popescu: ikr? he loves the X word he's heard.
mircea_popescu: anyway, authors being a coupla 19 yo cocklets fresh out of a stint as cook chefs, pretending to be finance this or that.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for today and as long as it lasts, antonoshithead is bitcoin's chief nigger. he's trying to parlay the nude use of words into as much free fried chicken as possible.
mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: Thank you
mircea_popescu: how goes devthedev ?
devthedev: Pretty good, how are you?
mircea_popescu: i am excited!
devthedev: I am too, I just saw qntra!
mircea_popescu: a yeah. you wanna submit a piece ?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: If you want to write for it submit a writing sample to cazalla
devthedev: Will do
mircea_popescu: and we say ~we~re excited. imagine what it must be like @ cazalla hq.
BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping
assbot: Canadian Senate Hearings: My Opening Remarks | Andreas M. Antonopoulos
nubbins`: the finished breast: http://imgur.com/LcKYhvp
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: High Speed Video Neal Stephenson Sabering a Champagne Bottle from ChefSteps on Vimeo
The20YearIRCloud: Looks good nubbins`
thickasthieves: frm the random dept
The20YearIRCloud: i need to start on lunch soon
nubbins`: don't let me stop ya
nubbins`: any wild posters yet?
nubbins`: forum thread's got a few of em framed
thestringpuller: dr. foreskin!!!!!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i went in there expecting chick not chicken. #scam
thestringpuller: don't chick's become chicken?
mircea_popescu: only if left unsupervised for too long
thestringpuller: you would think an all girls university would be a great place to recruit chicks...
thestringpuller: something about dem places ain't natural
mircea_popescu: they still have those ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they became illegal in the us
mircea_popescu: but yes, they drive each other sex crazy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nope, they still exist.
mircea_popescu: so you can't have gentlemen's clubs but you can have all cunt university ?!
thestringpuller: i think there are all male universities still around...but I don't know who would want to attend
thestringpuller: and don't gentleman's club employ females?
mircea_popescu: not traditionally.
thestringpuller: i usually think of gentelman's club == high class strip club
mircea_popescu: but you bring a good point huh. women do want to be in a flock of women. men... not so much
thickasthieves: my holyoke is all female
mircea_popescu: no, it's not what it is lol.
thickasthieves: lots of girl on girl encounters
thickasthieves: i just realized the cftc vid is 48h delayed :/
thickasthieves: not sure if i really can handle phoning in to listen
RagnarDanneskjol: I went to an all guys college for one year - there was so much ass around you wouldnt believe it. Hampden-Sydney college is surrounded by a number of all girls schools like sarah-lawrence and other schools attended by spoiled rich pure-bred top-shelf poon
thickasthieves: wait then below it says live webcast
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol a that's not so bad then
RagnarDanneskjol: it worked out well - until I got expelled for fraternity shennanigans
mircea_popescu: better than marrying out
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol so im confused. sarah-lawernce is afaik upstate ny. but apparently this Hampden-Sydney thing is in virginia ?
assbot: Never using Circle again : Bitcoin
RagnarDanneskjol: no - I got confused - there is sweet briar, mary-baldwin, and a few others. I spent some time @ sarah-lawrence later on. has been quite a few years
mircea_popescu: lol what is this, "if you remember the 60s you weren't there" ?
assbot: Urban Dictionary: Hampden-Sydney
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.46, Best ask: 383.67, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 383.66, 24 hour volume: 37509.54242863, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.228446462
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35021382515.8 based on data since last change | 33593487461.0 based on data for last three days
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324568 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 7 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35021382515.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.03849
TheNewDeal: if it takes an hour to find each of these next blocks...
mike_c: ;;tslb
mircea_popescu: some blocks are harder than others!
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 16 seconds
mircea_popescu: "If reason and charity cannot promote the cause of truth and piety, I cannot see how it should ever flourish under the withering fires of wrath and strife". it's incredible just how much damage the 18th and 19th century heretic clubs did to the us.
mircea_popescu: presbyterian, srsly ?! gtfo.
TheNewDeal: love how the s&p500 is just propped up on stilts.
mircea_popescu: both truth and piety are exactly the creation, both necessary and unavoidalbe, of wrath and strife. just like equilibrium in mammals is the result of muscular activity, not of silent contemplation.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal permanently elevated plateau yo.
ben_vulpes: "sarah lawrence: where the girls become women and the boys do too"
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes made a funny!
thestringpuller: !up brianhoffman
kakobrekla: what was the last assbot quit msg
BingoBoingo: * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
kakobrekla: i guess i need to temporarily switch this back on
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: beat me to it
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.54, Best ask: 375.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 375.0, 24 hour volume: 39347.55631242, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.929726172
TheNewDeal: is cafe con miel popular in buenos aires?
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 43 seconds
kakobrekla: can i get a 'B' ?!
TheNewDeal: like a block
kakobrekla: can i get a 'L' ?!
kakobrekla: cool, now I only need to find OCK
kakobrekla: !up ceelo
kakobrekla: sing it!
thickasthieves: maybe miners are colluding to stop people from selling
ceelo: auth ceelo
ceelo: how do u auth with gribble
kakobrekla: ;;nigga please
gribble: Error: "nigga" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ah dunno
thestringpuller: "that's our word. you have no business using it!"
thestringpuller: ;;google family guy n-word jim
gribble: N-Word Jim - Family Guy Wiki: <http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/N-Word_Jim>; Huck Griffin - Family Guy Wiki: <http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Huck_Griffin>; "Family Guy" I Am Peter, Hear Me Roar (TV Episode 2000) - Quotes ...: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0576941/quotes>
ceelo: ;;auth ceelo
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
TheNewDeal: ceelo green?
ceelo: thx
thestringpuller: that would be dope if Ceelo came into the channel.
thestringpuller: sing us a song
kakobrekla: ceelo blue until he gets in the wot
TheNewDeal: hahahaha
kakobrekla: !up ceelo
thickasthieves: cftc wont be discussing bitcoin til 345
TheNewDeal: is obama going to make an appearance and finally get paid for http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#b4?
assbot: BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015 :: 0.31 B (44%) on Yes, 0.4 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`231 (100`000 to 1)
ceelo: how do you get 'in the wot'
TheNewDeal: read that article
ceelo: found it
ceelo: cool
TheNewDeal: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 22 minutes and 14 seconds
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45986): 0 hour(s), 48 minutes
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself?
assbot: ceelo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ceelo: lol
kakobrekla: yes well everyone started with 0
ceelo: yeye
thestringpuller: that was quick ceelo
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: yea HIF is the Havelock itself
assbot: Introducing GIFV – Imgur Blog
thickasthieves: BingoBoingo> thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself? // can you clarify?
BingoBoingo: Does havelock trade on havelock as hif?
thickasthieves: it's the same owner as CBTC
thickasthieves: not that
thickasthieves: same owner as CFIG
thickasthieves: who i suspect is same owner as 1BTCXE
thickasthieves: suspect/assume
kakobrekla: !up ceelo
kakobrekla: !up dnaleor
kakobrekla: !up ivok
ivok: hello everyone :) to use my voice
ivok goes back to lurking
mircea_popescu: !up ceelo
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed. << good point ok
kakobrekla: 'good point ok' is my middle name.
TheNewDeal: .98% , just wow
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324578 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1.13932137867e+11 | Estimated Percent Change: 225.49731
mike_c: cracked 250 exahash. this is getting out of hand.
TheNewDeal: phash?
mike_c: er, not exa
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 241177197.882
TheNewDeal: i remember there was ~280 a few weeks ago?
TheNewDeal: may be mistaken
mike_c: on short term estimates, yeah. difficulty just cracked 250 phash tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.59699953 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
mircea_popescu: oh. sheit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 56.42232407 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
mpoe: ;;eregister mpoe EE2BDEF602DD2D91
gribble: Request successful for user mpoe, hostmask mpoe!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EE2BDEF602DD2D91
TheNewDeal: !up ceelo
TheNewDeal: next change is going to be giant
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324579 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 70004998058.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 100.0001
mpoe: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e84e5e818cd8d59b7a141cdf633cc6656f3ef0943fca7dc9139d4e2a
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user mpoe with key EE2BDEF602DD2D91
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mpoe', with GPG key id EE2BDEF602DD2D91, key fingerprint 2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D91, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mpoe 1 Current MPEx account for #bitcoin-assets deed purposes
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mpoe has been recorded.
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
mircea_popescu: ah lag mkay.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this <<< ikr? me too!
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit << actually i think most serious animalagans eat freeranged.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly <<< AAAANNDD they don't even quote trilema. not like it's been a secret over here, for the past half year or so.
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15915 @ 0.00074175 = 11.805 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Nobel prize winner Patrick Modiano’s Wikipedia page changed to add note to “the reporter now copying from Wikipedia” (PHOTO).
thickasthieves: this Ulbricht response update is the first juicy thing I saw on qntra first, grats!
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Yw
thickasthieves reads left side of monitor.
devthedev: Nicely written Bingo
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Bam, news'd it up. <<< gotta love this guy
mike_c: hehe, i scooped the lawyers yesterday: "It apparently confuses php with MySQL"
thickasthieves: bingo your text is jacked
thickasthieves: incomplete sentences and such
thickasthieves: jumping or something
mircea_popescu: okies, logs done, discussions had, havoc caused, work reviewed (btw the eulora art is looking wunderbar) and so i guess ima bbl.
mike_c: thickasthieves: the pdf is no better
thickasthieves: well some of it is pretty good
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: The textblock is as the pdf presented it. It is a legal format problem.
thickasthieves: this is def getting interesting
thickasthieves: i'd think it would be a few more pages though
thickasthieves: i mean if youre already on the horse, ride it high
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: It's a defense filing. The point is to be clear. A prosecution filing though has the other perogative, to bury with text that might have meaning.
TheNewDeal: somehow missed that this little cftc topic was bitcoin... gonna go brew up some popcorn, catch a few good laughs
TheNewDeal: does anyone have a link to the cftc live cast
TheNewDeal: this is pissing me off
TomServo: heh, I've been looking also
TheNewDeal: somehow they don't know how to link to a video
assbot: CFTC Webcast
TheNewDeal: I see people moving, but no sound?
kakobrekla: id guess they took a break for smoke and pancakes
TomServo: (Please continue to stand by. This meeting will begin momentarily).
kakobrekla: TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GVMYJR.txt )
jurov is ashamed to not understand teh "self certified Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract"
jurov: sauce?
jurov: even if i understood, i'm on mobile net atm
thickasthieves: you mean what is a swap?
jurov: i barely understand that..but all the adjectives
kakobrekla: in short: scam
cazalla: mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too <<< i can't sit and watch that guy for 2 hours
thickasthieves: it means, according to provided guidelines, the exchange created a swap instrument for people to trade, hedge, and collateralize with, settled in dollars only, it's like a way to borrow bitcoin
kakobrekla: without the actual bitcoin.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust thickasthieves
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 12 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
thickasthieves: is that a fact tho kako?
thickasthieves: i havent read it
kakobrekla: said so like 10 times
kakobrekla: It is a bilateral, non-cleared trade that has credit support Annex, collateral delivery by either side to support the trade.
kakobrekla: It is nondeliverable. No Bitcoins exchange. This is a US cash settled forward.
thickasthieves: right, but they still need bitcoins to have value on the other end
thickasthieves: or am i missing something?
thickasthieves: like in bitfinex it's a swap market, users provide swap offers themselves
kakobrekla: afaik no
thickasthieves: how does tera sell these swaps?
thickasthieves: they arent worth anything
thickasthieves: backed by dollars i guess
thickasthieves: sounds dangerous
thickasthieves: makes no sense
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping <<< yes it is atm, for every vegan in #b-a, a rabbit is slain with vengeance
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
thickasthieves: such oppress
cazalla: thickasthieves, they have a good life up until that point :P
thickasthieves: i meant me!
devthedev: Hey cazalla
cazalla: what's up devthedev
devthedev: Not much, how about you?
cazalla: not much, 7am here so morning cuppa tea is in order
devthedev: qntra's looking great so far!
cazalla: yes, everyone loves how the design looks
devthedev: Minimalism is the key
kakobrekla: just like everyone loves that bitcoin poster.
mats_cd03: bunny ranch elicited a different imagery
kakobrekla: > it can be physically delivered just for the same reason the commission recognizes physical delivery in a sense of other intangible commodities such as pollution rights
thestringpuller: i didn't get to see the bitcoin poster yet
thestringpuller: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ;o
kakobrekla: pollution rights.
TomServo: kakobrekla: yeah, wtf is that?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey instead of refund can I just get another poster :( the USPS can't find it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: well co2 indulgences
kakobrekla: (just another scam fyi)
TomServo: Was that ms boring?
kakobrekla: thickasthieves where are the btcs?
kakobrekla: >>: And one last point on that.
kakobrekla: Tom Leahy mentioned earlier that TeraExchange has an information agreement with every exchange to establish index.
kakobrekla: Every one of those exchanges in that agreement has agreed to supply as the details and they all do AML, KYC on all of the people trading on each of the exchanges.
kakobrekla: The exchanges that do not provide us this cannot be on this. We are not ascribing to anonymous trades that are happening out in the market place.
kakobrekla: >>: Who owns that protocol?
kakobrekla: >>: It is open source.
kakobrekla: hahaha
TomServo: I wish we could've seen the face she made when Vito exclaimed "I KNOW!".
TomServo: Er Brito
kakobrekla: >>>: To questions. The first is how do you know there is no fraud or backdoors built in to the initial code? And then the second is if all the goodie is coming from the block chain, why not just put dollars on the block chain?
kakobrekla: wtf is this bitcoin 101 for kindergarten
mod6: hahah
TomServo: okay, this is pretty good ahahaha
thickasthieves: kako "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset."
kakobrekla: context?
thickasthieves: you quoted it
kakobrekla: yeah read the whole sentence
kakobrekla: its comparing other swaps
kakobrekla: "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset (that isnt really there)."
kakobrekla: better?
thickasthieves: well their website solicits 'liquidity providers' for the btc ndf
kakobrekla: tera? they contacted me in may.
thickasthieves: but they really should just say
thickasthieves: if the traders are their own counterparties,i guess it works as bets pretty much
thickasthieves: with tera as escrow
kakobrekla: + market makers
kakobrekla: so they can avoid calling themselfs a bucket shop
TheNewDeal: jurov there's no reason one should ever want to understand a non-deliverable bitcoin future
assbot: CFTC met on /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash today, here's the full transcript http://t.co/Y2U8Yqudk6 /hashtag/CFTC?src=hash
TheNewDeal: nice nice nice
assbot: Full Transcript of US Commodity and Futures Trading Commision Bitcoin Session : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: This livestream actually had a decent if lagging caption stream. Figure this is a race.
TheNewDeal: could you include pictures of the cftc representatives, preferably with a penned-in moustache?
BingoBoingo: Live streaming widget was tiny, usually had powerpoint slides instead of people. Feared fullscreening the widget lest the text be lost.
kanzure: here's my version of a transcript http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/cftc-bitcoin/
assbot: cftc-bitcoin
kanzure: went very poorly. those panelists were clueless.
thickasthieves: yeah antonop probly coulda doon better
kanzure: multiple panelists format is probably too broken anyway
kanzure: because it's hard enough to get a single person that understands bitcoin
kanzure: much less five separate people
kanzure: and then you have message confusion....
BingoBoingo: Maybe message confusion is what they want?
TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit
kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
kanzure: unfortunately it was the panelists that were learning about bitcoin
TheNewDeal: those were their smartest questions possible
kanzure: "how is the blockchain secured?" "well it's open source"
kanzure: that is not an appropriate answer
kanzure: under any circumstance
TheNewDeal: consider the universally secure linux
kakobrekla: "lets go to class to learn about this thing we know nothing about."
kakobrekla: "and lets tape it"
kakobrekla: "yeah good idea!"
kanzure: that's not how public access in government works
kakobrekla: "even better, live broadcast it, you can do it nowdays!"
kakobrekla: it looks like what i described.
kakobrekla: what it should suppose to be - nfi.
thickasthieves agrees with kako
kanzure: so you're against all federal livestreaming, or just some of it?
thickasthieves: i think the whole thing was derpy is all
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 21:35:31; kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
thickasthieves: and for real, you cant learn about bitcoin before your meeting?
kanzure: this wasn't a conference.
kakobrekla: oh my bad, if the didnt call it a conference all bets are off
kanzure: they had pre-reading where they studied the material given to them that described bitcoin
kanzure: written by the panelists
kanzure: panely-people.
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2014 17:15:16; asciilifeform: 'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"'
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.54237601 BTC. Current weight: 56,714.
kanzure: i said they had read it, not that they ignored it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47825 @ 0.00074151 = 35.4627 BTC [-] {2}
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: FYI, just had a 5 minute outage. My primary internet's been down for a day now, and my backup just glitched.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Thanks for the heads up
X-Rob: I'll try to keep an eye on it, but, all my alerting is broken because my main conneciton is down
X-Rob: so.. I've discovered a flaw there 8)
cazalla: ;;later tell sgarnick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up deedBot
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
mircea_popescu: what the ef.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot mpoe
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mpoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mpoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mpoe | Rated since: Thu Oct 9 14:45:18 2014
mircea_popescu: o it was like once a day was it.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 172**0
cazalla: ;;later tell sgornick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: missed the second * and thought gribble was failing basic maths
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00074126 = 10.0441 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So far qntra's bigger in Kenya than South Africa.
mircea_popescu: o, hey, first day results are in huh /
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not on quantcast yet
mircea_popescu: apparently there exists a pntra.com
X-Rob: 373 blocks until difficulty changes
X-Rob: yay!
mircea_popescu: an interesting alternative entry point into the theory of teh bezzle
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.0, Best ask: 360.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 360.85, 24 hour volume: 47558.47213155, 24 hour low: 348.3, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.563472311
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 16:13:02; mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a sample script for the bitcoin cartoons?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron guy said it was his ex gf
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nope. it was inteded as open mic here, if the guy were interested.
danielpbarron: ya, that guy's ex; not xanthyos'
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hence " from xanthyos' ex" you see
BingoBoingo: Since kakobrekla prolly wants to see it again: * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
kakobrekla: hehe thanks BingoBoingo - i now enabled those messages temporarily so i am able to follow
BingoBoingo: You're welcome. I just thought... Maybe you'd wait until the polar bears all became exclusively aquatic before ever watching join/parts
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo its not for long :)
kakobrekla: but yeah, i feel remembered that i dont miss em.
kakobrekla: much less doormany.
BingoBoingo: It's the price of not being poor like earier this week
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313712.44 in 372 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.30
gabriel_laddel: !s rabbits
BingoBoingo: !s manul
mircea_popescu: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
cazalla: speaking of rabbits, how about i turn these http://i.imgur.com/5Tk3rhN.jpg into some gloves for thickasthieves, where da white wommenz at btw
thestringpuller: Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN!
assbot: Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN! : Bitcoin
thestringpuller: ugh fucking copy paste thing
xanthyos: jan hooks is dead.
xanthyos: the comedy world shrugs
thestringpuller: BitStash and trezor huh
thestringpuller: The second one of those gets hacked....
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedbot
assbot: S.BBET float - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
deedBot: Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/gStPn3i2
assbot: S.BBET float - Pastebin.com
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. thought maybe the raw patse link was issue
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer9933
mircea_popescu: cazalla shit they're cute.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.68, Best ask: 364.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 364.68, 24 hour volume: 47802.41474800, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.330477846
mircea_popescu: !up mechtronic2001
thestringpuller: !up Jezzz
Jezzz: thx thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out kakobrekla, like the first time in history that the left pane is full, 100 entries past week
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
kakobrekla: first time after +m maybe
kakobrekla: pretty sure it was full even before
mircea_popescu: hmm i guess looking at the graphs it hadda been
mircea_popescu: !up hagbardgroup
hagbardgroup: (Still reading through tutorial material)
mircea_popescu: good for you.
mircea_popescu: "The biggest thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system. Well, maybe a little bigger. Let's say three times bigger. Or even ten times. But operating system kernels are at most, what, maybe a million lines of code? So I'd argue the biggest system you can reasonably write in C++ is maybe 10 million lines, and then it starts to break down and become this emergent thing that you have no hope of controlling,
mircea_popescu: like the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. Feeeeeed meeeeeee...
mircea_popescu: If you can get it to compile by then, that is.
mircea_popescu: We have 50 million lines of C++ code. No, it's more than that now. I don't know what it is anymore. It was 50 million last Christmas, nine months ago, and was expanding at 8 million lines a quarter. The expansion rate was increasing as well. Ouch."
mircea_popescu: guy who work[ed?] at amazon.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: steve yegge?
mircea_popescu: seriously, 50mn lines of code ? there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything.
mircea_popescu: god himself uses fewer than 50mn lines of code
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel exactly.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Funny little bit of history. Steve Y. goes on and on and on about how C++, java, etc. (algol derivatives) predictably create massively bloated codebases, gives lip service how Lisp solves these problems (which is does) and then goes back to... writing in ~ALGOL. (I asked a Googler who was recently on the same team as Steve what language they worked in - Java.)
assbot: tour-de-babel - steveyegge2
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel why do you think that is ?
gabriel_laddel: He got old and fat, making a change was too much for him. He says that there are 'problems' with (common) lisp. http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html
assbot: Stevey's Blog Rants: Lisp is Not an Acceptable Lisp
kakobrekla: cause they code for living
gabriel_laddel: Silicon valley is basically just a slightly more white version of (¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> [ Luxor Centre For Businessmen ] <-.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯)
mircea_popescu: o.o you got that saved ?
mircea_popescu: now is this kinda like c or kinda like lisp, you'd say ?
gabriel_laddel: Anything ~ALGOL derived.
mircea_popescu: no. i mean the fact that you have a string stored, and an apparatus to retrieve and use it in place.
gabriel_laddel: Lisp thing. Emacs gave it to me in.... less than 3 seconds.
mircea_popescu: through a string of perl ?
gabriel_laddel: C-b ".notes" C-r "luxor"
gabriel_laddel: (C-<whatever> meaning 'control' + whatever)
mircea_popescu: ah but this is only half the story. you also saved it there, and saved the "notes" string somewhere etc.
mircea_popescu: admire the pile of crap that the whole software involved is.
gabriel_laddel: I don't understand what you're getting at. (emacs) Lisp still has to store things in files.
mircea_popescu: in other words, back to the topic : i think the people arguing that c is just the way to talk to the c-machine, aka von neumann machine have it wrong - c is just the way average people abstract. fortunately that fit into an already existing machine, but if it hadn't it'd have been forcibly fit anyway.
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust gabriel_laddel
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask gabriel_laddel!~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=gabriel_laddel | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gabriel_laddel | Rated since: Sun Aug 3 11:48:26 2014
danielpbarron: oh, new guy :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00074253 = 17.7093 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: !s MPEX PAID
mod6: lol 8m additional lines per q!? that's just nuts
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, it's "an economy". imagine, that's the bread of what, 500 derps ?
mircea_popescu: at least. fifty idiots get to go around telling young women about their imminent promotion to higher-middle manager because of it
mod6: haha, staggers the imagination
mod6: and you're right, 50m lines of code? that does what!!?
mircea_popescu: the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
mircea_popescu: after they're done with congress. "all laws fit in 500 pages. you want new ones ? delete old ones."
mircea_popescu: enforced brevity ftw.
mod6: some kinda hard-limit ya
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nanotube
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nanotube: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 14 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nanotube | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nanotube | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:14:09 2010
mircea_popescu: how the hell did he get under 1
thestringpuller: /window 42
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit << lol
mod6: saw a lot of action on your blog about that topic btcpete
mircea_popescu: "Perl has the best marketing in the world. You could write a book about how brilliant their marketing is. Sun has marketed Java with money, and Perl is almost keeping up, popularity-wise, purely on the on sheer marketing brilliance of Larry Wall and his buddies. Folks at Harvard Business School should study Perl's marketing. It's astonishing."
mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this
pete_dushenski: mod6: ya, it was a fun last 48 hours :)
pete_dushenski: 3000+ words of comments
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski anything good ?
pete_dushenski: hmm. let me see if i can dig up a quote or two worth repeating...
asciilifeform: there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. <<<<<
pete_dushenski: this one by "zeke" was decidedly luzly from a few angles:
pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done quite a lot for the bitcoin project, and is one of the few people who can credibly represent it to lay people. Still, I agree with the Romanian school inasmuch as the blockchain increase seems unnecessary and potentially disastrous to me. It’s inviting a fork that will not be honored by a large portion of the current hash power, and the current wallet balance. Thus it is a Bad Idea. What about side
pete_dushenski: chains, and all the other ways that BTC can grow in real transaction volume?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this << naggum did.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu you are now the bearer of "the romanian school" torch!
pete_dushenski: also, what fuckin sidechainz amirite
mircea_popescu: o the romanian school is it ?
mircea_popescu: fucking hell romania is going to end up accidentally famous by mistake.
mircea_popescu: typical for that place.
pete_dushenski: who says mistake?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did anyone write a full analysis of it, or just mention it in passing ?
pete_dushenski: let's work from causes, neh?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski by mistake as in, gavin fucked up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum never wrote a full anything, afaik, apart from 'a long and painful history of time'
pete_dushenski: aic ya that's way funnier :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but three or four of his posts add up to a sort of treatise on perl
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski wouldja consider adding a recent comments list ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically the marketing of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c is just the way average people abstract << if only. invited to reread the infamous 'the camel has two humps.'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol funny you should mention that… i was toying around with that this morning, trying to add a second sidebar column a la trilema and… i fucking borkt the whole thing.
pete_dushenski: thankfully, i had made a back-up but i was pretty choked for a minute cuz the auto-save didn't include that last article about gavin's retardation
pete_dushenski: but all is well now!
asciilifeform: (short version of 'the camel' - prospective 'comp sci' students were given tests on basic things, e.g., 'a = 1, b = 2, a + b = ?' - and they separated into 2 groups, ones who had correct answrs. or at least consistent misconceptions - and ones who did not. the latter - turned out, unsurprisingly, to be unteachable.)
pete_dushenski: ok. 5 recent comments added below the recent articles.
pete_dushenski: still single sidebar
asciilifeform: 'thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system...' << winblows.
mircea_popescu: "It doesn’t matter what the minors feel like “honoring.” The miners will follow the full nodes; they won’t waste energy mining the fork when its coins aren’t worth the time it takes to send them to an exchange." danielpbarron << all the miners run (multiple) full nodes.
mircea_popescu: this is the ad-hoc, market driven fix to the problem of node disenfranchisement as ordained by his satoshiness.
mircea_popescu: (there's an extra bit in there, where people with a lot of exposure, financial, intellectual, emotional, w/e also run full nodes - but generally they also won't be following patently insane notions a la "let's make the blocks infinite")
assbot: Re: Prolog vs. Lisp - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: "To soften my comment, I would not want to replace Gavin with some loony that thinks the USG is competent enough to undermine bitcoin in any organized way. All this talk about Mike and Gavin being stooges is absurd, and undermines my respect for much of the other (very insightful) stuff you guys write on the Internet. They can be wrong, without being corrupt."
asciilifeform: how can one even make, with any serious logical certainty, a statement like 'i have one bitcoin' without running a full node?
asciilifeform: (or at least, having a very good friend who does)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how does one say "i have a wife" ?
mircea_popescu: "these are my children" ? "this is my house". most property owners don't own their own torens title bureaus
pete_dushenski: not, i suppose, as opposed to saying "a wife has me"
pete_dushenski: "i have a car" (on lease for 48 months)
pete_dushenski: at least most people have their clothes and the groceries in their fridges
pete_dushenski: not that they're wise enough to brag about it
asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
asciilifeform: then again, world is full of bastard children and questionable wives, so perhaps similar.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ty for another comment! that post deserves a plaque for the names it's attracted.
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol. nice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.)
pete_dushenski: also the gap between brk-a and btc narrowed by, what, 5% today?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 365.81, Best ask: 366.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 366.4, 24 hour volume: 47259.77924389, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.139461234
mircea_popescu: lol i stand to make a pretty penny there, don't i.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: off like a bandit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd rather sit in a hazmat suit and read good prose than live in a meadow of paper.
mircea_popescu: !up Sweeters
pete_dushenski: man the recent comments on this theme are fugly. all title and no text. wtf.
mircea_popescu: "Every 15 years or so, languages are replaced with better ones. C was replaced by C++, at least for large-scale application development by people who needed performance but desperately wanted data types too. C++ is being replaced by Java, and Java will doubtless be replaced with something better in seven years — well, seven years after it finishes replacing C++, which evidently hasn't fully happened yet, mostly becau
mircea_popescu: se Microsoft was able to stall it before it became ubiquitous on the desktop. But for server-side applications, C++ is basically on its way out."
mircea_popescu: way to be wrong.
asciilifeform: 'better ones' << mega-lol
mircea_popescu: turns out that C/C++ are sorta like me. keep being "in the process of" being superseeded periodically, then the would-be revolutionizer dies.
mircea_popescu: "Perl will be gone soon, too. That's because a new language called Ruby has finally been translated into English."
mircea_popescu: irl, ruby got raped with an insecurity stick almost as big as my schlong, and perl still reigns
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then the would-be revolutionizer dies << notice, no new machines.
asciilifeform: (because those cost actual money to build, among other reasons)
mircea_popescu: well, luckily you're not a codger, so who knows what the future brings.
asciilifeform: 'don't wait for bus, you might be the driver' etc
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 324627 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1964 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43040927023.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.96536
mod6: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 225 Last Price: 255 30d-Vol: 174k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 199
mircea_popescu: like the world's most stable altcoin
asciilifeform: quite a few are stable at 0...
mircea_popescu: now this is true
mircea_popescu: ;;seen bluemeanie
gribble: I have not seen bluemeanie.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen bluemeanie1
gribble: I have not seen bluemeanie1.
assbot: CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News
cazalla: i'm lovin' it
mircea_popescu: i thought that guy was in here but apparently gribble never saw it
asciilifeform: !s BlueMeanie4
asciilifeform: (same or not? devil knows)
pete_dushenski: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
RagnarDanneskjol: I met caleb chen from ccn last weekend - seems like a nice kid and is fully cognizant of his site's derpidity - people are still eating it up, so he's all 'fuck it' - no incentive to do otherwise (besides lost dignity). apparently they have like 40 part-time writers 'on-staff'
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell pankkake i'm getting the following error running your node.sh script: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." << please to help!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: and ima a be off to the racquet club!
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, that's interesting
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol so maybe have him drop by
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: ;;seen BlueMeanie4
gribble: BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> hello from Murica
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell BlueMeanie4 so what about that nxt/devwork story ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866880 << never thought i'd see the day mircea_popescu suggested government intervention on anything
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:22:32; mircea_popescu: the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
mircea_popescu: saying that the only thing this apple's good for is the pigs doesn't amount to a suggesting feeding the pigs.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google 3 generations of imbeciles was is enough
gribble: Buck v. Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell>; “Three Generations of Imbeciles Are Enough” - Genomics Law Report: <http://www.genomicslawreport.com/index.php/2009/06/25/three-generations-of-imbeciles-are-enough/>; Eugenics: Three Generations, No Imbeciles: Virginia, Eugenics ...: <http://exhibits.hsl.virginia.edu/eugenics/>
mircea_popescu: "(yeah, there are a bunch) are going to have to realize that if Lisp is ever going to be massively successful, it needs an overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary to what some might tell you, it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of money. Linux proved exactly the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent dictator. Lisp needs to ditch the name "Lisp", since it scares people. And Lisp needs to learn from th
mircea_popescu: e lessons of the 45 years of languages that have followed it."
mircea_popescu: this is an interesitng theory. i suspect it's actually true.
asciilifeform: one problem - there is not actually a programming language called 'lisp'.
asciilifeform: not since 1962 or so.
thestringpuller: common lisp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he makes this point yes.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I doubt this very much. 'Lisp' simply needs managers to understand why they should order those not good enough to sling dope to write it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "other than being uncommon, common lisp is also not lisp"
thestringpuller: yea, which is funny.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel in practice that sort of manager is a dictator.
thestringpuller: or at least to me.
thestringpuller: those not good enough to sling dope...that sounds familiar...
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: not necessarily. middle management worldwide likes java... why?
gabriel_laddel: one argument,
assbot: Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: loper-os.org where lisp fails
gribble: Loper OS: <http://www.loper-os.org/>; Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69>; Loper OS » Lisp: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=33>
mircea_popescu: because marginal hires won't ruin your codebase quite as badly ?
ben_vulpes: marginal hires have a hard time hacking it in lisp shops.
gabriel_laddel: does anyone really think that an extra 8mm LoC per quarter is ''not ruining things quite as badly?'
ben_vulpes: imposes this floor on hire quality, reduces need to hire as rapidly.
ben_vulpes: 'course to leverage that, you gotta use the thing everywhere. makes it hard for the polyglot shop.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you kidding ? i doubt anyone even keeps track of mn granulairty.
asciilifeform: the whole concept of vast galley of slaves, fungible, working on a massive codebase, is fundamentally braindamaged.
decimation: I was cursing python's inability to easily rewrite itself today
ben_vulpes: "9 women, 1 month"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: people not keeping track of this is the problem.
asciilifeform: once grasp this, the only thing left is instrument for maximizing - at the cost of burned orphanages of any and all kinds, dead puppies, kittens - abilities of individual man.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it'd better be because im betting on it getting blown out of the water.
mircea_popescu: and it's the one bet i'm least confident about.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: exactly.
mircea_popescu: well boys, this approach of yours has only the minor disadvantage that it goes exactly against the constitution of the city you live in.
gabriel_laddel: time for towns then, no?
mircea_popescu: it's not even a felony, it's outright treason.
gabriel_laddel: !s terry a davis
mircea_popescu: i like how the b-a search function is self healing. not found anything ? try again!
asciilifeform: !s templeos
asciilifeform: there we go.
decimation: the problem with lisp is that it is alient to the modern c-machine, especially the multi-core variety
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 03:28:42; asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work!
gabriel_laddel: It's a pity Terry doesn't frequent #b-a
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel can always drop him an invite.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: nah. he mostly posts output from his biblical shannonizer.
asciilifeform: literally.
asciilifeform: (his gizmo comes with a 'talk with god' proggy)
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't get this. all machines are multi-core
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: have you spoken with him privately / had to filter his comments on loper?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo for the record, i like the slightly skeptical tone of qntra reporting. tech reporting has been awash in gushing for too damned long. some classical skepticism is in dire need.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he commented once, saying i must have stolen his name
assbot: Guy Steele on Parallel Programing: Get rid of cons!
cazalla: btw, dude that runs that ezybit ran a now defunct seo company lol
asciilifeform: (which was nonsense, i stole it long, long ago from clifford simak's 'city.')
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Ah. In any case, imo he'
gabriel_laddel: s more entertaining than say ninjashotgun
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
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gabriel_laddel: certainly more talented.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you know how to use this thing to self voice ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: The Register is the only non-pure-pr tech news source that I know of
asciilifeform: i still have no idea if he's an actual nutter or merely playing the part so he gets to eat.
asciilifeform: hell knows, people do odder things, to eat without having to slave.
mircea_popescu: decimation and, note, they also display the mild, 1700s skepticism.
decimation: yeah that's true, need more of that around
assbot: Sh** just got real: Amazon to open actual shop in New York City The Register
decimation: amazon has jumped the shark
gabriel_laddel: decimation: re, the problem with lisp... this isn't CL's problem, and not a real problem anyway. Compare to writing ~ALGOL on c-machine.
decimation: ?? what part isn't the problem? 'automatic parallel-ization?
gabriel_laddel: you're claim is that the problem with lisp is that it's not built for the c-machine. my point is that even on c-machines it's still better than anything else out there.
decimation: that might be true, I'm not sure I can contain the set of all possible languages in my brain
gabriel_laddel: elaborate..?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: tricky bit here. until rather recently (2009-ish) this was debatable (sparse ecosystems of publicly-available libraries in cl to deal with unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I see. What I don't understand is why CLers haven't just ditched the web.
asciilifeform: problem (or not problem, depending on who you are) is that most cl work was and is done by 'naggum-like' figures - that is, behind closed doors, no public derping, no 'foss'
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decimation: indeed, for instance from the yegge article: "We retired Mailman. That's because we have the Quality With a Name — namely, Suckiness. We suck. We couldn't find anyone who was good enough at Emacs-Lisp to make it work. "
asciilifeform: again with the lisp lumping.
asciilifeform: as if emacs lisp had anything whatsoever to do with common lisp other than using s-expressios.
asciilifeform: *expressions
decimation: python is lisp too!
asciilifeform: let's call 'c', 'pascal', 'python', 'fortran' --> ALGOL.
decimation: I'm game.
asciilifeform: except one problem
asciilifeform: this dignified the crud with name of a mostly honourable ancestor.
assbot: Hot DRAM! Samsung splurges $15 BILLION on Korean chip fab The Register
asciilifeform: like calling modern euroderps 'romans' (or even 'gauls', etc)
asciilifeform: the ducks may have come from the trucks, but how now.
decimation: the obvious problem with derping on better hardware is the extremely high cost hurdle
mircea_popescu: !up gubatron
decimation: derping on c-machine is essentially free
asciilifeform: i just love it when some clinical idiot decides to make inferences from his derpitudinous youth involving elisp on x86 to actual lisp on actual iron built for it
asciilifeform: esp. if ignorant of the latter
mircea_popescu: unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www <<< there's a major paradigm shift underplayed here. for approximately 1980 (kiler micro) to 2009, the ONLY utility of computing was www. with bitcoin, the www is a minor point, other things are major points now.
mircea_popescu: and ill bbs.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm at a loss for a better name. ALGOL, ~algol or algol is fine with me. Even their honorable ancestor was part of a fruitless evolutionary tree.
assbot: Intel Underestimates Error Bounds by 1.3 quintillion | Random ASCII
asciilifeform: decimation: anyone who ever tries to actually use intel's trig functions - discovers this, yes.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:13:19; asciilifeform: phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs.
asciilifeform: don't say i didn't warn.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:14:52; asciilifeform: so there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and the reality.
decimation: asciilifeform: in this case the error was so well-publicized intel promised to... update the docs
asciilifeform: afaik they don't even sell printed docs now.
asciilifeform: so, they'll update a pdf turd.
asciilifeform: big fat deal.
decimation: I wish I could just connect a pipe from the sse register to my own fpga machine
asciilifeform: decimation: what you may not know is that intel sells this. and amd as well. for $maxint.
asciilifeform: golden toilet for u.s. 'intelligence komyoonity'
decimation: yeah I've heard of the 'hybrid fpga cpu' design
asciilifeform: i've been trying, and failing, for some years, to get a hold of one (just one!) on the junk markets
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` let me know when a good time to discuss a second order with you. i think we may have sold all 6 shirts.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2014 23:40:47; decimation: http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/212001/Catapult_ISCA_2014.pdf << microserf implemented fpga co-processors for bing search, paper is mildly interesting
asciilifeform: not all that similar. cpu in fpga fabric. you can do this right now
asciilifeform: a few hundy of 'ebay' parts.
asciilifeform: i'm assuming you want a specifically x86 variant for something.
asciilifeform: because 'xilinx' sells, by the tonne, a large fpga with built in 'ppc' cores.
asciilifeform: (i own several.)
asciilifeform: (x86 is rather too complex to actually implement in any extant fpga and still leave room for something useful on top)
decimation: I guess I was thinking of "connecting the pipes"
asciilifeform: no real way of doing this at full clock
asciilifeform: other than to host them on one die
asciilifeform: hence the rarity.
decimation: today I was using the xilinix ise - it's a piece of shit
asciilifeform: aye, yes it is.
asciilifeform: and there is literally no alternative (other than 'altera' - who have a considerably fouler turd)
decimation: I've heard that the 'synplify' synthesizer is much better, but costs golden toilet cash
asciilifeform: the serious fpga market (vs. 'lattice' & friends, who largely get used for minor glue logic) is a duopoly.
asciilifeform: decimation: understand why the actual internals are secret.
asciilifeform: decimation: both 'xilinx' and 'altera' make the bulk of their profit by renting out the right to use 'cores' (as they call them) - libraries, to a normal person
asciilifeform: e.g., ethernet card
asciilifeform: dram controller
decimation: right, or softcpu with bus turd
asciilifeform: mips cpu
asciilifeform: they have literally no way of enforcing their copyright other than obfuscation
asciilifeform: hence, some of the gnarliest, moving-target obfuscation in the known world.
asciilifeform: (each new series of 'xilinx' chip has considerably altered internals, to make past reverser's efforts less useful)
asciilifeform: basically, fpga works, but all existing high-density examples are sold by scammers of a kind - who absolutely could not abide the buyer using these items as the schoolbook promised - 'reconfigurable computer'
decimation: the problem is that one must compile a secret 'talmud' of RTL that can be written which will actually work, as opposed to being valid
asciilifeform: and an even gnarlier talmud of combinations that will result in anything like usable performance
asciilifeform: example.
asciilifeform: you can read an sdram spec by, e.g., 'micron' (i did) and implement a ddr2 sdram controller.
asciilifeform: but it won't work
asciilifeform: unless you can somehow learn where the chip's fabric puts various i/o in relation to other circuitry
asciilifeform: so everybody ends up using the vendor's.
decimation: depressingly, this results in large-scale projects being soft-cpu sequential turds, rather than asynchronous combinatorial nets where possible
asciilifeform: because fpga in the schoolbook sense is not actually available.
asciilifeform: at any price.
decimation: yeah ask any fpga design who have attempted to write 'ddr' interface if you want to hear sadness & tears
asciilifeform: you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it.
gabriel_laddel: am I correct in assuming that documenting efforts in reverse engineering a particular xlinx model is illegal / will land one in trouble with usg?
asciilifeform: one fellow got pretty far
asciilifeform: but problem is, such efforts are quickly obsoleted.
decimation: eh, I doubt usg will care much
asciilifeform: as in, by the time you're done, the chip is no longer commercially available in quantity.
decimation: it's more the issue ascii points out, if you want the latest shit you are out of luck
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asciilifeform: thing you must appreciate, if never having worked with fpga, is that they just barely work.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you have a link handy for the fellow who got pretty far?
asciilifeform: e.g., you can lay out the equivalent of a '486' and get around that performance, but only if you have some idea of the actual physical topology of the circuit.
assbot: debit - reverse-engineering tools for FPGA bitstreams - Google Project Hosting
asciilifeform: and elsewhere, i forget where
assbot: debit- xilinx bitstream decompiler project has been vanished? or does someone know the URL | Comp.Arch.FPGA | FPGARelated.com
assbot: Propeller 1 Open Source | Parallax Inc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it. << it will happen.
asciilifeform: decimation: there is no shortage whatsoever of open 'verilog' code for 10000+ things
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: decimation: thank you.
decimation: yeah, some of them are useful
asciilifeform: decimation: problem is lack of fpga with documented layout, so you aren't chained to a vendor's turdware.
decimation: I can't imagine that this business model of making enemies of your customers will survive
mircea_popescu: not with internet-connected customers. it just can;t.
asciilifeform: shame fpga was invented too late for soviet version
decimation: yeah that's a good point, why doesn't samsung or some chinese vendor bust this stuff up?
asciilifeform: decimation: bad fit for chinese business model
decimation: it's not like there's a mystery about how to design an fpga
asciilifeform: decimation: have to understand what fpga is used for
asciilifeform: it has very little role to play in the kind of items chicoms make
asciilifeform: mostly used in miniscule runs, prototypes - where american units generally suffice
asciilifeform: because it doesn't really matter what they cost
asciilifeform: the kind of machine that absolutely requires an fpga - simply has not been designed yet.
asciilifeform: and when designed - won't be chinese.
The20YearIRCloud: What kind of outlook do you guys have on silver & gold?
asciilifeform: i've been working on 'genuinely' reconfigurable cpu for some years now. but, understand, most of the reading i do - is material as old as i am.
asciilifeform: in ancient, dusty library.
mircea_popescu: but since losethos has been mentioned : i do suspect ninjashogun is of a similar brand, without of course the technical ability.
asciilifeform: because the subject 'is dead dontchaknow, study something modern like blubbazilla'
decimation: asciilifeform: the related topic of asynchronous design seems to be in the same state
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
decimation: 'we don't do it because no chips and tools' 'no chips and tools because no demand'
assbot: TempleOS: AfterEgypt - YouTube
asciilifeform: decimation: someone did build a clockless 'arm' a few years ago, an israeli firm quietly sells it for military clients, it's a footnote mostly.
asciilifeform: yes it is neat
mircea_popescu: !up devthedev
asciilifeform: but virtually impossible, last i tried, to actually run
The20YearIRCloud: clockless?
assbot: The Advanced Processor Technologies Group
devthedev: Good evening
asciilifeform: (won't go under 'vmware' or any machine i could dig up)
asciilifeform: losethos ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1 or so min. mark - the infamous 'talk to god' proggy.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing looks like open transactions.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: my opinion - silver is an industrial metal, gold is going to be replaced by bitcoin in the long run but is still a reasonable altcoin - but note that it is not independent of gov'ts with big vaults of the stuff
The20YearIRCloud: You think govts are honest about their gold and metal reserves? decimation
mircea_popescu: it's improbable they'll move significantly either direction.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: clockless - ie no clock - a cpu which executes instructions at whatever speed its logic circuits can cycle their state
The20YearIRCloud: I'm debating whether I want to get more BTC, PMs, or guns, or if I should balance what I have now a different way
The20YearIRCloud: I didn't realize that it was possible to do that, are the speeds typically much higher than what their clocked counterparts are?
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: they are about as honest with gold as they are with their btc holdings
mircea_popescu: decimation well, no. reversedly. for instance, germany claims to hold some gold it doesn't, and doesn't claim to hold any bitcoin, tho i think they do hold some.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: they can be, but the problem is that they are 'difficult' to design because the soccer-ball-chasing-6-year-olds of academia & industry have declared the tech 'dead'
The20YearIRCloud: Germany is trying to get their gold back as it was all held in Paris, london and NYC. Out of all the countries I think they have a pretty transparent gold program, and it's showing how dishonest the US is
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The20YearIRCloud: Isn't it the same way with large paralell programming (High multi-core stuff) as they've lagged behind on development so much that some consider it aobsolete?
decimation: mircea_popescu: good point. The ongoing drama with the fed & its german gold holdings is quite amusing
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: it's safe to say that writing software that makes efficient use of 'modern' multicore chip designs is not a simple undertaking
The20YearIRCloud: I wish it was easier to do, that way I could run dwarf fortress in all its glory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guess what you and mr davis have in common.
decimation: lol I tried to play dwarf fortress once, it seemed like a colassal waste of time, but amusing
mircea_popescu: "I designed a 3 axis stepper-motor-driven milling machine 1996-1997 with a CAD/CAM package for a company I started called Home Automation and Robotic Equipment."
kakobrekla: its a popular thing.
The20YearIRCloud: It's fantastic, i'm told it has one of the worst learning curves even surpassing star control. But once you understand it, it's immensely fun
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.55, Best ask: 369.05, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 47516.56487113, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.384866292
decimation: pete's link about companies on the 'buyback treadmill' is hilarious
The20YearIRCloud: buyback treadmill?
decimation: large holders of bezzlars have no idea how to profitably invest them, so they just publically embezzle them
The20YearIRCloud: kind of throw the entire premise out when they start talking about wealth inequality
mircea_popescu: i don't get how cash distribution can be held against the management.
mircea_popescu: they're overcapitalized and downsizing. what's wrong with that ?
The20YearIRCloud: "It puts less money in the hands of the people that know what they're doing - the menial laborers'
decimation: mircea_popescu: normally it wouldn't, unless it is supiciously coupled with said management excercising their generous options
mircea_popescu: the traditional route is to pursue "sexy" mergers and go bankrupt a decade later. this is better for everyone.
mircea_popescu: decimation a well that's a diff story. but the problem are the generous options then.
decimation: mircea_popescu: agreed.
asciilifeform: cnc << i distinctly recall kakobrekla also has one.
asciilifeform: (built)
asciilifeform: http://ultrastudio.org/en/C_gate << intro to clockless for n00bs
assbot: C gate - Ultrastudio.org
asciilifeform: incidentally, goes great with trinary logic (how? exercise for alert reader.)
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